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March 3rd, 2011
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Killer of U.S. airmen is radical Muslim, German official saysThe man who shot and killed two American troops in Germany Wednesday was a recently radicalized Muslim whose aim was to kill American troops, a German official said Thursday. The suspect seems to have been acting on his own, but had spent time on local radical Islamist websites, said Boris Rhein, interior minister of the German state of Hesse, where the shooting took place. Read the full post on the man suspected of killing American troops in Germany on CNN's Just In blog
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Responding to the comments by ex-biker, that Christians do not strap explosives to themselves & detonate them to kill themselves & other innocent people. That kind of disrespect for human life can only be carried out by someone who has been brain washed into believing that life is to be despised & death is welcomed when defending ones faith. I do not know of one instance of a suicide bombing in which there was any threat to the existence of Islam. They are textbook examples of fanaticism. Christianity, however, uses more sophisticated means, despite claims to defend all human life. Convinced that AIDS is the punishment of an angry deity; they successfully opposed the use of any public funds for HIV research. The subsequent delay in the development of effective treatment options denied thousands even a fighting chance at survival.
Islam is NOT; Repeat NOT a religion. It is a political party. Did'cha hear me ragheads? Islam is a damnable "political party. Not a religion.You want religion? Bend over toward MECA ... oh you already did!!
example of religion . ....not @ all surprised a religious person mur-dered in the name of his g0d. Is anyone else surprised???
@justina. I want you to look up the origins of christmas and tell me if it's a celebration of the birth of crist or a pagan holiday. Off with you now...
Birth of Christ ... Sorry for the tYpO
Stop trying to uselessly defend any of the Abrahamic faiths as some kind of moral bastion. Read history. All three have failing grades! If the Jains have been nonviolent since 480 BC, Why are you all arguing?
JML – Barbaric Americans accusing the wisest educators for teaching them how to read, write and think. Secular American morality is here.
Case in point on the 'filthy' language here, Justina... calling someone 'barbaric' (unless you are describing someone who is truly brutally cruel or primitively unsophisticated) is your cleaned-up version of 'f***ing' or 'god-da**'.
Something, it's true all of us are barbaric(primitive and inhumane) without Christianity. Nothing of inaccuracy. Look up the dictionaries. But the words of cursing, mentioning of body parts and some physical actions are inappropriate. Why do they have to appear in the first place? No reason to.
Something, look up the dictionaries on the words you utter. You'd be amazed in finding the original meanings.
"Why do they have to appear in the first place?"
For shock value and dramatic emphasis... just like your hyperbole.
As a Buddhist, I admit that on multiple occasions in history other Buddhists have wrongfully engaged in abuses even sometimes war. But has anyone ever heard of the Jains? Their religion has the best record of non-violence. No religious wars, period. A very real pox is already upon the houses of the Abrahamic faiths. Jews, Christians, Muslims, your religions bear the horrible scars of enshrined religiously justified violence against innocent people. Beginning with the Canaanites I suppose.
Buddhists tortured and killed and annihilated people of other faiths and Buddhists' lands still have no freedom of conscience as of today. The reason they don't make headlines is that non-Buddhists are hushed up in severe persecutions and those nations are minor in the eyes of the Western media.
Outside of Judeo-Christian values, freedom of conscience and human rights are non-existent, unconcievable.
Justina, you seek to curb free speech. May your own speech be curbed instead.
P, I'm making my points for American atheists to show what they are doing by talking in your level( although I can never use the same filthy vocab) because you guys are so blind about yourselves. Christians in USA are angels to you. Show respect to religious people.
Justina.. your current church is a division of the pagan churches that were around before any one could even spell pope. In essence your vatican is a slightly more modern version of Stonehenge, but the level of thinking has not changed. If you think that atheists are beneath you.. you are correct.. we are there to stop you sliding into the abyss.
EvolvedDNA, Christian cannot be pagan. Christian Church has been victorious simply because Christianity is true. I never thought of atheists as beneath me. We are same hopeless human sinners. The only difference is I accepted God's Truth and try to live for Him as imperfect as I am. You guys' language is filthy and you need help in understanding God's Truth that can save your souls. Christians are trying to help you but we don't need your meaningless abysmal ideology( I already accepted what God said in His Word over what you are saying), though you are free to talk with me for now.
EvolvedDNA, besides, God's Word is far more probable in being correct than what you atheists are ranting withut logic. Evo-, so far, you are only better than other atheists in not using horrible dirty vocab. Please do something about your fellow filthy atheists.
@ Justina
the ideas of
– a Man-God and
– God begetting Children and
– a Son of God dying for mankind
are pagan ideas that were not part of the original jewish religion. Nor does Jesus seem to practice them or preach them as a jewish person in the synoptic gospels.
Justina,
"...using horrible dirty vocab. Please do something about your fellow filthy atheists."
The intent behind some of your own invective is often every bit as offensive as 'dirty' words. You can dress up your hostility in 'clean' words, but you mean the same thing.
Justina..Beyond not believing in a god, atheists are not a group, or religion, and we all may have different ideas.. some think abortion is ok, some not.. we are the exact cross section of society that exists any where else. Personally I do like to insult or use poor language ... i respect the fact you believe, but not the belief its self.. i do not attack the person.. or at least i try not to. Religions have a group mindset that you have to follow or you can be ostracized.. you have to follow the set rules or you are out, or exco-mmunicated, or what ever.. . In what way do you think that you church is not pagan... all religions pray to beings they cannot see, have never seen..Supersti-tion runs deep in the human psyche ,a throw back to our evolutionary past, which aided in our survival . We may try to mask our evolutionary past but it comes through in very subtle ways. Atheists are every day normal, thinking people and are not "filthy". for the most part if i speak to a person and it is very obvious they are christian I respect their belief, and may not even tell them I am an non-believer because i know they are very sensitive to such things and like you have a hard time understanding alternate views. i bet you talk to more atheists than you realize but you would not know it as we choose not to offend you .
Justina.. i must say after all you have been told that you still have alack of humility toward your fellow human beings. As you believe that your religion gives you authority to denigrate others.. which actually is the problem... religion empowers people to do bad things in the name of their god. Look at the news any night of the week. I see Christians attacking Muslims, Muslims attacking Christians.... but do not see any atheists doing any killing. Respect has to be earned Justina, religions do not get any special treatment. I think the demons you carry with you and think are ready to pounce... must be some new human app... like iDemon, or iSatan... can be downloaded and used as required.
Duh...I doubt anyone was surprised.
Disgusting religion. Hard to believe that there ARE so many decent Muslims in spite of their primitive, hateful beliefs.
When the Muslims gain in number in France and England and demand thier Independence from the French republic or from the Queen the stupid Europeans will learn exactly what happened in Serbia. I hope the USA will carve out England and France for them Muslims and then they will know how the Serbs feel. Maybe Marsilles and Islmaic republic Birmingham will be two new countries in the near future? Stupid crazy left has messed up Europe. Now they are trying it here in the US. The left is more dangerous than Islam.
@Astro
Muslims (bosniaks) in former Yugoslavia were highly integrated with the Serbs and the Croats. Inter-marriage etc. They were on the fringes of the Muslim World and were almost borderline Muslim due to their highly european ways. Your comment suggesting that the Bosniaks were clamoring for "independence" is highly inaccurate. Most Bosniaks were caught by suprise in a state of shock when the Serbs started attacking and brutalizing them for their islamic roots, roots they themselves had long forgotten about.
Intresting, we send our youth to fight for the freedom of Kosovo and this is how they repay us. I dont see Serbs killing any US soldiers. US govt sucks, we go bomb our allies so we can create an Islamic republic in teh heart of Europe. The Serbs fought these Muslims in the middle ages and prevented the spread of Islam, and this is how we pay them? Kosovo is like the vatican for the Orthodox Christians. I dont see any terrorist attacks by Serbs or they dont claim that we are on a war against Orthodox Christianity. When will we learn our lessons. Kosovar for Serbia FOREVER.!
muslim terrorist attack in spain = muslim terrorists
muslim terrorist attack in Great Britain = muslim terrorists
muslim terrorist attack in the U.S. = muslim terrorists
muslim terrorist attack in Germany = German racists, which drove a absolutely innocent muslim from Kosovo into killing 2 american soldiers
Do you really think this makes any sense?
The killer of the U.S. Airmen was German born Moslem, raised and schooled in Germany, Germany does not allow dual citizenship. His parents immigrated from Yugoslavia 40 years ago. When you read german newspaper you get the impression this guy was born and raised in Kosovo. You have to be German to understand the hate directed against Einwohners (immigrant families), I came from Rhine wine town who considers families who immigrated to our area during the 30 year war (1618-1648) still foreigners. 9-11 and this killing was hatched in Germany by immigrants who are hated by the Germans, instead of directing this hate against the true oppresors the GERMANS, the Americans are the victim. In the U.S. no one cares what religion you are, we are all brothers and sisters.
I am german and maybe German media described this man as being from Kosovo because maybe, for one crazy reason or another, we didn't want a freaking murdering lunatic associated with our country. He is NOT German, nor are any of these immigrants. Bringing them in was a mistake, keeping them was a mistake, and brining in more compounds the problem. They should be deported to their countries of origin. Europe should not slip into becoming some third world backwater just to attone for the sins of the past or to satisfy political correct rhetoric
And the koranic/mosque driven acts of terror and horror continue:
The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century
■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "
and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslim slave traders.
and more recently
1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured
1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh
2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured
3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops killed in action, 3,483 and 925 in non combt roles.
99,901 – 109,143
Iraqi civilians killed as of 3/3/2011/, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf
4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]
5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.
6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.
7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.
8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.
9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.
10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,141 killed in action, 242 killed in non-combat situations as of 03/03/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror
11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.
12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.
13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,
14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.
15) Followed by the daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings every day in the terror world of Islam.
16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.
17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.
18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.
19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011
20) two American troops killed in Germany Wednesday by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011
Ever heard of the Crusades?
You are pathetic and full of hate. It is people like you that give terrorists reason to attack innocent people. You need to understand that the religion has been hijacked.
in one shot Hitler tops them all. seems the protestant christian holds the world record for acts of TERRORISM..islamic extremists come nowhere close to Hitler alone..9/11 wasn't done by radical muslims..u got lots to learn..too much cnn and fox five for u
LMAOOOOO!!!! Dude, "YOU ARE A BIGGGG IDIOT!" LMAO! So what about Hitler, a christian?? What about the crusades? What about European torture of Native Americans and Africa?! What about British killing Indians(remember Mohatma Ghandi?" What about the infamous way of killing someone, "Scalping!" Get a reality check!
You barbarian losers were so barbaric and inhumane in your own societies enslaving women and children forever you men were all beaten by the civilized Christian Europeans for your good. Hitler was defeated by Christian USA. Germans are the only race who admit their atrocities. Pagans never admit their wrong doings.
The reason Amnericans are ignorant of history and other nationals. They only learn British(hopefully) and US history, nothing else. And inaccurate at that. Be slaves to Chinese, please, if you are so unwilling to learn.
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm
The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:
o The Muslim Conquest of India
■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "
Rank Death Toll Cause Centuries Religions involved*
1 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")
2 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)
40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)
4 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)
5 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)
6 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)
20 million Joseph Stalin 20C
8 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)
9 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C
10 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)
11 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)
15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians)
13 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C
14 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C
10 million Xin Dynasty 1C
16 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)
17 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans)
8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)
19 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)
7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C
*:" Is religion responsible for more more violent deaths than any other cause?
A: No, of course not – unless you define religion so broadly as to be meaningless. Just take the four deadliest events of the 20th Century – Two World Wars, Red China and the Soviet Union – no religious motivation there, unless you consider every belief system to be a religion."
Q: So, what you're saying is that religion has never killed anyone.
A: Arrgh... You all-or-nothing people drive me crazy. There are many doc-umented examples where members of one religion try to exterminate the members of another religion. Causation is always complex, but if the only difference between two warring groups is religion, then that certainly sounds like a religious conflict to me. Is it the number one cause of mass homicide in human history? No. Of the 22 worst episodes of mass killing, maybe four were primarily religious. Is that a lot? Well, it's more than the number of wars fought over soccer, or s-ex (The Trojan and Sabine Wars don't even make the list.), but less than the number fought over land, money, glory or prestige.
In my Index, I list 41 religious conflicts compared with 27 oppressions under "Communism", 24 under Colonialism, 2 under "Railroads" and 2 under "Scapegoats". Make of that what you will."
Islam’s Koran and World Domination- a history lesson we all better learn
"Mohammed could not have known the size of the world, but several passages in the Koran show that he envisioned Islam dominating all of it, however large it might be: “He it is who sent his messenger . . . that he may cause it [Islam] to prevail over all religions´(Koran 9:33, M.M. Ali; see also 48:28 and 61:9). M.M. Ali designates these three passages as “the prophecy of the ultimate triumph of Islam in the whole world.”
Mohammed’s successors, the caliphs, quoted passages like these to inspire Muslim armies as they advanced out of Arabia, imposing Islam by the sword upon a peacefully unsuspecting Middle East and North Africa, as I described in the previous chapter.
Islamic armies, imbued with what Mohammed claimed was divine authorization, imposed Islam by force over vast areas, all the while extorting wealth from subjugated Jews and Christians to fund their ongoing conquests. As I noted, major defeats at Tours, France, in A.D. 732, and again at Vienna, Austria, in A.D. 1683, halted Islam’s attempt to take all of Europe by force. Gradually Islamic forces were forced to retreat from Europe, except for part of the Balkans. But Islam has again set its sights on a conquest of Europe and of European civilization, wherever the latter has spread to North and South America and other regions. Muslim strategists ask their followers, Why do we find in these modern times that Allah has entrusted most of the world’s oil wealth primarily to Muslim nations?
Their answer: Allah foresaw Islam’s need for funds to finance a final politico-religious victory over what Islam perceives as its ultimate enemy: Christianized Euro-American civilization. So, Islam follows Nazism, fascism and communism as the world’s latest hostile takeover aspirant.
Nazis, fascists and communists failed. Does Islam have a better chance at success? I believe it will flounder if we awaken to its threat in time; yet, if there is not adequate planned resistance, Islam does have a better chance of succeeding. Communism’s world takeover attempt was guaranteed to fail because its economic policy was naively contrary to human nature. Advocating the rubric What is mine is thine, and what is thine is mine, communism failed to see that human nature will not keep those two balanced propositions in equilibrium. Like a female black widow spider consuming her mate, the latter part of the formula makes a meal of the former, leading to the collapse of any system based upon that formula.
In contrast, political systems do well if they can persuade people to adhere to What’s mine is mine and What’s thine is thine maxims.
Only if a strong religious incentive is added does such an idealistic formula have any long-term chance. Even then success will be spotty. But communism (and Nazism, for that matter) excluded religion. And that mistake was the final nail eventually clamping a lid on communism’s coffin. Communism, on a historical scale, perished while still in its childhood.
Islam is not repeating communism’s mistake. Mating political cunning and incredible wealth with religious zeal, Islam does have a chance to succeed and will succeed unless major parts of the Western world unite to take appropriate countermeasures. But many Western leaders, unable to believe that a mere religion could possible be a serious political threat, keep proclaiming themselves as Islam-friendly, reasoning that all religions are good-aren’t they?
A Muslim strategist in Beverly Hills, California, declared several years ago, as quoted by a friend of mine: “Now that the struggle between Western democracies and international communism is winding down, it is time for the real and final struggle to begin, and we are going to win!”-D. Richardson
Reality's list is a trash. Atheistic communists killed most humans on earth since its start until this day. Religion(Christianity) saved 6 billion humans last century and 7 billions this century.
Justina noted: "Religion(Christianity) saved 6 billion humans last century and 7 billions this century."
She has claimed this before but gives no docu-mentation of proof.
If you want peace, you need to get rid of your religions first. Religions are all full of hate, bigotry, stupidity, and pseudo-mystical claptrap.
How easy it was for one religious "radical" to feel compelled to murder someone else.
Religions are used to justify a majority of sick and twisted crimes against humanity.
People want to be part of a "group" and feel like they "belong" so they can't let go of their religion. Then they kill you for being part of a different "group" and justify it using their religion. Welcome to the real world. Prayers don't work here.
You are such a negative pitiful person.
While religions do cause violence and strife, they are still children compared to the death and destruction that non-religious people bring. Take a list of the 20 most violent conflicts in the history of mankind and you will find that 18 of them have nothing to do with religion. And most of them were started by non-religious atheist Godless peoples. The worst the murder and mayhem, the more likely there is some non-religious reason or non-religious set of people behind it.
(B)iraq Hussein Osama.. you are kidding right. it is the anti-human religions and delusional followers who drift into violence. You most likely accept this act, as the recent killing in Pakistan as a normal part of the death cult.. you will most likely not condem it.
The honest truth if all the fairy tales of the world disappeared tomorrow humans will fight over something like land, politics, property, money etc... Though it wouldn't hurt to rid the world of these tall tales (the bible, koran, the book of mormons etc...), I would be doubtful if it stop violence all together.
How many Christians do you know, who strap explosives to themselves and the detonate it to kill themselves and other innocent people. I have heard of very few Methodists, Baptists, Assy. of God or any other 'Christian" denominations committing these crimes of murder or martydom with explosives, etc. Believe it or not, there is a vast difference between "religions" and Christianity!!!!!!!! Being a member of some "religion" does not make you a Christian.
May Holy God have mercy on us all. Let us all pray for peace.
Oh piss off, you religious retard.
@Anglican: Amen to that.
@PofO: Clean up your language, you filthy atheists. Shame on you.
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