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March 4th, 2011
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Your Take: Does the Bible condemn homosexuality?There were thousands of comments on Thursday's Belief Blog post arguing that the Bible condemns homosexuality, a response to another guest post arguing that the Bible is much more ambiguous on homosexuality than previously thought. Most of the comments appear to doubt the Bible's condemnation of homosexuality - or challenge the wisdom looking to the Bible for guidance on such matters. And, as usual, we're struck by all the atheist comments. They seem to far outnumber believers' comments. Josei Neutralizer kcv You can look at your neighbor and decide that you would NEVER do, act, or speak things that they will do, act, or speak ... but they are looking at you thinking the same! None of us are perfect, and we ALL do things the Bible says not to do (including abominations like eating pork, shellfish, gold, etc..)! Salvatore John
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Lions vs Christians..............
I take lions.
Christians/Bible thumpers refuse to believe that being gay is not a choice
because that would mean they are attacking the creator for creating something faulty.
Ask them this question, if your god is so perfect............
how come everything he creates, Dies ?????
If God is so powerful and wonderful and majestic
do you think he realy cares if one of his "creations" is gay ??
The power to create heaven, hell and the universe
is worried about gay people ??????????
You people are out of your minds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
These people have got to "evolve" or something.
1st read what is required of us in Luke 9:23-26
Then read who we are to please John 14:6
Leviticus 20:13
Isaiah 44:8
Leviticus 18:22-25
Deuteronomy 23:17
Romans 1:21-28
End of days, people mock God, have no need for Him. Believing in lies, that they can do what they want, when they want, any time they want, with whomever they want.
2 Timothy 3:12-4:4
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
You make the call. If you're right, you have nothing to fear. If you're wrong, God Himself will judge you according to His standards. The problem that you can't solve is the fact that you're going to die. There's NOTHING you can do to stop that day from coming. Again, you make the call.
Every soul that sins, that soul shall die. Ezekiel 18:4.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Romans 1
Suggest you look up "Pascal's Wager".
I could go on and on and on about this...but I am not going to. The truth is no matter what anyone says, we all post on here thinking that we are totally correct and know what's what and that what we are saying may totally impact someone's life in a good way....the way we think. But it won't happen, we are all too stubborn, biased, and closed minded. So then what should we do? Just stop fighting and bickering for goodness sake, you're going around and around and around on the same topic and it will never be quenched by someone's 'challenging remark'. Instead, lets just stinkin be nice and kind to one another for goodness sakes and stop getting so mad.
Christians: stop arguing and condemning people, that's not Christlike and it's turning people away.
Nonbelievers: stop jumping to conclusions that all Christians and all of Christianity is wrong and that you are going to change a Christian's mind by 'opening their eyes', that's not going to work, Christians are just as stubborn as you are.
So let's just put a smile on and be nice to one another.
Jesus' real name : Cesarian, son of Julius Ceasar & Cleopatra
Jesus Christ (Esu) means "son of Isis"
Cleopatra declared herself the reincarnation of the virgin godess Isis
So Cesarian was the son of a virgin.
Julius Ceasar was declared by the Roman senate as "GOD"
So Cesarian was the son of god
(I am giving the short version...the whole story would take days)
Ceasar murdered, Mark Antony takes his place in Egypt with Cleopatra
they have 3 more children, boy/girl twins, and another boy.
Octavian (adopted son of Julius Ceasar) claims throne in Rome
Declares war On Egypt and defeats Antony/Cleopatra
(ALL HISTORICAL FACTS)
Cesarian escapes Egypt with entourage as Egypt falls
Travels to India and spends about 13 years (Missing Jesus Years)
Studying Budhism. (The basis for Jesus Teachings)
Cesarian on return to Egypt as JESUS (To avoid capture and execution)
To reclaim throne of Egypt and Rome
Jesus did not die for your sins, he was political poison for Rome
if it ever got out that The Hier to both Rome & Egyptian royalty lived
it would have torn both kindoms apart and started another war.
So Cesarian dissapears from the history books, and the cast of people
around him are all given new names, like Mary and Joseph
and Mary Magdalene (His half sister) and two half brothers (desciples)
and then of course after the church is started in Rome, the truth is buried
and the bloodline hidden. (Yes Jesus & Mary married with 2 children)
History is always written (Hidden) by the winners.
Well, Bloodline, His word is for eternity. You may think you're the winner to write history, but no rock will be left unturned when Jesus comes back.
2 Timothy 3:12-4:4
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Amen.
Bloodline, I'll admit that this is a fascinating scenario, and will admit that I am saying this out of ignorance, but is there any truth to this? It would seem far more plausible of a situation to me. I would interested if you had any resources on this?
All these anti-gay bible thumpers should understand how the bible was put together.
It was cherry picked.
I could walk through a library and rip out different parts of different books
and put together what i think the bible should say
and that should be what everybody believes.
Isnt that "Playing God" ????
Sockness, God, through the Holy Spirit (which is simply the Spirit of God) moved those men to write the various books of the Bible. God had them to write what He wanted written. Thereby God was able to interrelate the sixty-six separate books that make up the Bible. It is like one giant puzzle where every piece fits perfectly into its place in relation to all the others.
Just as God Himself wrote the Ten Commandments, He also had the rest of the entire Bible written through the pen and paper of man, but always by the power and the influence of His Holy Spirit.
Exodus 24:12
12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
Amen.
Apparently "CW" stands for "cowabunga". It's pretty well established that the most se-cular countries have the lowest crime rates. That's evidence against your claim that belief in any particular deity, or yours in particular, reduces crime. See e.g. here
secularhumanism dot org/index.php?section=library&page=pzuckerman_26_5
Could you possibly provide a less biased citation. Also....could it be that in those supposed "secular" nations, there are not as many laws....therefor....not as much law breaking? Just a thought.
As for fewer laws, no, that's not it. The conclusions are robust and apply to comparable sets of crimes. A little googling on your part will provide similar data from a wider variety of sources. The case is abundantly clear.
What is neither robust, nor valid, is the idea that others have presented here that the bible is any semblance of a reasonable basis for morals. It can't be, because it isn't internally consistent, and because it has so much guidance to do what other standards would consider to be misogyny and horrific retribution.
PRISM 1234 you are WRONG read my comment below yours. LOL
Did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed?
2 Timothy 3:12-4:4
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Amen.
There are few biblical references to ho-m-o-s-3x-uality. The first, the story of So-do-m and Go-mo-rrah, is often quoted to prove that the Bible con-demns ho-mo-s3x-ual-ity. But the real sin of Sod-o-m was the un-willing-ness of the city's men to observe the laws of hospitality. The intention was to insult the stranger by forcing him to take the female role in the s3x act. The biblical narrative approves Lot's offer of his vi-r-gin daughters to satisfy the s3x-ual demands of the mob. How many would say, "This is the word of the Lord"? When the Bible is quoted literally, it might be well for the one quoting to read the text in its entirety.
Leviticus, in the Hebrew Scriptures, condemns ho-mo-s3x-ual behavior, at least for ma-les. Yet, "abomination", the word Leviticus uses to describe ho-mo-s3x-uality, is the same word used to describe a men-str-uat-ing woman. Paul is the most quoted source in the battle to con-demn ho-mo-s3x-uality ( 1 Cor 6: 9-11 and Romans 1: 26-27). But ho-mo-s3x-ual activity was regarded by Paul as a punishment visited upon ido-laters by God because of their unfaithfulness. Ho-mo-s3x-ua-lity was not the sin but the punishment.
In 1 Cor. 6:9-11, Paul gave a list of those who would not inherit the Kingdom of God. That list included the im-moral, idol-aters, adu-lterers, s3x-ual per-ve-rts, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, rev-ilers, and robbers. S3x-u-al per-v-erts is a translation of two words; it is possible that the juxta-pos-it-ion of mal-a-kos, the soft, ef-fem-inate word, with ar-seno-koitus, or male pro-st-itute, was meant to refer to the pas-sive and active males in a ho-mo-s3x-ual liaison.
Thus, it appears that Paul would not approve of ho-mo-s3x-ual behavior. But was Paul's opinion about ho-mo-s3x-ual-ity accurate, or was it limited by the lack of scientific knowledge in his day and infected by prejudice born of ignorance? An examination of some of Paul's other as-s-umptions and conclusions will help answer this question. Who today would share Paul's anti-Sem-itic att-i-tude, his belief that the authority of the state was not to be challenged, or that all women ought to be veiled? In these att-i-tudes Paul's thinking has been challenged and transcended even by the church! Is Paul's commentary on ho-mo-s3x-uality more absolute than some of his other anti-quated, cult-urally condi-tioned ideas?
Three other references in the New Testament (in Timothy, Jude and 2 Peter) appear to be limited to condem-nation of male s3x slaves in the first instance, and to showing examples (So-d-om and Go-m-or-rah) of God's destruction of unbelievers and hereti-cs (in Jude and 2 Peter respectively).
That is all that Scripture has to say about ho-mo-s3x-uality. Even if one is a biblical liter-alist, these references do not build an ironclad case for con-dem-nation. If one is not a biblical liter-alist there is no case at all, nothing but prejudice born of ignorance, that attacks people whose only crime is to be born with an unchangeable s-3x-u-al pre-dispo-sition toward those of their own s-3x.
@LJ
Friend, somehow you dodged the issues addressed in my post above....But I will give you a scripture that Jesus Himself spoke, and it's found in gospel of John3:19-21. I think it will show you something about yourself. Remember, I didn't say it, it's the Christ who said it!
PRISM 1234 your not related to HeavenSent by chance? LOL! God made all human beings deal with it.
I don't know "heaven sent".... I have no need to impersonate no one, nor play games!
You keep saying LOL... what is there to LOL about? Is it covering up your insecurity/ insincerity? You say God made all human beings deal with it...Yes, we all l will have to deal with Him, to whom we owe our lives, our own very existence. You are deceiving yourself, friend, rather, allowing the enemy of your soul to deceive you, but he can only do that because he finds something in you that likes his suggestions. You really need to seek the Lord, because you will answer to Him... it won't matter what anyone else thinks, but what have you done with Him, and the Spirit of truth. You can't separate Jesus Christ from the spirit of truth... Many do, by clinging to His name, but rejecting the spirit of truth, who He is, and creating (false) Christ of their own immaginations That's the mark of falling away..., and that's where you are, I can see it. You won't hav any excuse, friend, I tell you , you won't on That Day.
Your assumptions about me are truly fun that is why I am laughing. Your short slightness through your judgments are priceless. You are the one being deceived, all you are trying to do is justify your prejudice through your own self-righteous. And you are pointing the finger at me, so classic. LOL!
How do you say, I judge you and know nothing about you? Aren't your own words declaring the things you'rae made out of, and what you believe? Didn't I say that the words of Christ are the ones that are describing you, and not I? Did you read John 3:19-21?
Keep LOL, friend, that's your prerogative, and free choice, for now...... But when you face the Lord, you also will remember what this sinner saved by grace and His word told you!
I am laughing because you are judging me on what I posted but it was actually written by a bishop of a church. Not all Christians are as narrow minded as many posting here. The point is to understand the true meaning of scripture you have to put it into context. You also have look at the text before and after all the snippets that keep getting posted on this forum. That is what is so amusing because it just continues to show the posters don't truly understand the truth of what is written. LOL!
@LJ
Friend, there are bishops, priests and church people who are no other then workers of s-atan himself, sent out into the Christendom, only for one purpose, to deceive... Jesus Himself said thy would come, but they are not of God. They are (spirit-ualy) driven to twist the scriptures, and to use them to just-ify sin and fa-lse doc-trines, denying the fundamentals of Christian faith. For you to be so knowledgeable in scriptures as you claim you are, why is it then that you don't recognize that...?
But according to your own words and the things you allow yourself to believe, in spite of what you know Scriptures teach, you defend those who are in error, and go against the Spirit of truth. You can hide now behind the words "you're judging" , but when the pie-rcing eyes of Christ cut through your heart, revealing what's in it, you'll be na-ked and without cover for you sins. And that , friend, you won't escape, you can be sure of that!
"but when the pie-rcing eyes of Christ cut through your heart, revealing what's in it, you'll be na-ked and without cover for you sins. And that , friend, you won't escape, you can be sure of that!" It’s too bad you don't practice what you are preaching. LOL! I am not worried in the least I KNOW where I stand. Christ will find my heart full of love, without prejudice, that did not participate in the persecution of gays and lesbians. You will stand in judgment too, I hope someday you can cleanses your heart of its prejudice and bigotry towards those that are different than you.
Keep laughing, LJ, just keep laughing.....
(You have no idea how fake and hollow your laughter sounds...)
I could laugh, but I'm not. Man's soul is not a laughing matter. You are to be pitied, not laughed at!
You go ahead, and just keep casting your words into the wind, but no matter how many join you in agreement, you won't change what God's view of the sin you're trying to hold on too..... I have spoken to you, and am done talking to you. You know why...it is written in Matthew10:14,15 and Mathew7:6.
Good Bye!
"you won't change what God's view of the sin you're trying to hold on too." And what sin is that? You don't even know me yet you are judging me too funny. I bet you think I am gay. LOL! I do not need your approval. You believe yourself to be righteous yet your posts prove otherwise. LOL! I live a very blessed life. The holy spirit is with me so I know I am just fine. I use to be a narrow minded bible thumper like you but then the holy spirit intervened and I saw the light. Now my life is so blessed filled with wonderful Christians who see God work in their lives every day. LOL!
"it is written in Matthew10:14,15 and Mathew7:6." Obviously you don't follow this one since you continue to post over and over again on this forum. LOL! By the way it's spelled Matthew. LOL!
Yes, Bible condemns ho-mo-s2x-uality, because it is the peversion of God's intent, and his natural order. But Bible also condemns all other sins. But here we are specificaly speaking about sins of immorality....Bible says that every sin that a person commits is outside of the body, but he /she who commits se-x –ual sin is against his own body. That in itself carries a heavy weight, and those with dept of understanding will know the meaning of those words. But ho-mo-s2x-ual tendencies in itself are no sin, if they are not acted out, because if a bird flies over your head, do you have to let it nest on your hea?! We are told by God to live pure, holy lives, and our s-e-x-u- ality is not given to us to gratify our car- nal cravings, but to be the means of expressing deepest love for the other person, and as means to deepen the bond of our heart and souls in love and committed relationship with that person. God designed it to be only between a man and woman, that's God's design, and why do men reject it, it is because the love of truth is not in their hearts.
@ Prism 1234,
A.......M......E......N!!!!!!!
Only if you believe in fairy tails.. No proof what so ever of what you are saying.. I could say that belief in god is a mental illness can you prove me wrong on that?
I believe Jesus ...
"The Lord has made all for Himself, yes even the wicked for the day of doom." Proverbs 16:4 (Romans 9:6-24, Psalms 92:5-7)
@ CW
"...when you choose to follow God's word...which is AGAINST hom-'o-s-'e-'xuality then you have to CHOOSE to deny your fleshy wants and do what God wants..."
You're driving me crazy right now with your responses. I just wanted a simple answer to a simple question with your religion put aside. From your response, it sounds like you have same-s.e.x. attractions, but "deny your fleshy wants" to follow your God's word.
The answer to my question is that we DON'T choose our orientation. I have no memory of ever deciding, "I'm going to be hetero.s.e.x.ual". If God created everyone, then we did he create people with these urges that supposedly go against his word? It doesn't make any sense.
JANA, first, the mind is a powerful thing. Just focus on Jesus, not the ways of the world and He will show you how to get closer to Him.
The world is satan's playground. What you believe (or any one believes), does no good. Study the word of Jesus in the Bible and He will help you understand.
God Bless you.
HeavenSent-
"first, the mind is a powerful thing."
Yes, it is. It can imagine all sorts of strange and weird things, all without evidence. It's called delusion.
NL, keep hoping Jesus is not real, you already mentioned more than your share of fables. Notice the last word in scriptures, He knew you'd mock His truth and turn it into fables..
2 Timothy 3:12-4:4
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Amen.
@ Jana,
Again...Again...when you choose to follow God's word...which is AGAINST hom-'o-s-'e-'xuality then you have to CHOOSE to deny your fleshy wants and do what God wants....period...nuff said.
God did not write the bible.
Jesus did not write the bible.
Man wrote the bible, so you are following man
not god.
God created G.ay people the way they are
who told you it was OK to criticise the work of god ???
Get off your preachy little throne.
God, through the Holy Spirit (which is simply the Spirit of God) moved those men to write the various books of the Bible. God had them to write what He wanted written. Thereby God was able to interrelate the sixty-six separate books that make up the Bible. It is like one giant puzzle where every piece fits perfectly into its place in relation to all the others.
Just as God Himself wrote the Ten Commandments, He also had the rest of the entire Bible written through the pen and paper of man, but always by the power and the influence of His Holy Spirit.
Exodus 24:12
12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
Amen.
This is a never-ending argument.
@ CW
most people will tell you it was a "figure of speech" or a "its symbolic" or "its not literal" and almost every silly excuse you can think of.. This is because christianity is an island of confusion, bible says dont eat pork, nobody gives $-h-!t..bible says women should cover their heads, "the women who does not cover her head, shave her head off (says paul) ", again nobody gives a $-h-!t.. I dont blame the people, its the lonnnggggg senseless explanations christians give when confronted with logic..
If you disagree its okay just dont follow it up with another narrative with no conlusion in sight..
Regards,
Rizwan
@ Frankly,
First the Bible isn't confusing it lays out how to live and addresses all situations. I'll hit you with the same things...all non-believers hit christians witht he pork...slaves and the k-illing your kids argument without knowing that this was too addressed in the Bible...see Hebrews. As for your logic argument....that is what I was speaking...read the texts...you can't be anymore plainer...you can also disagree that is your choice. Hope you come to know God before Judgement day or we'll both get to see how that works for ya.
Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Matthew 24:8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.
Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Matthew 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Matthew 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Matthew 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Matthew 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matthew 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matthew 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.
Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:
Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors.
Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Matthew 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Matthew 24:41 Two [women shall be] grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Matthew 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Matthew 24:46 Blessed [is] that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Matthew 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
Matthew 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Matthew 24:49 And shall begin to smite [his] fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
Matthew 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for [him], and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Matthew 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint [him] his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Amen.
The bible is clear on Hom-o-s-'e-'xuality. It is forbidden....period.
Let me just give a few verses out of the NEW TESTAMENT on this:
Romans 1
1 Corinthians 6:9
Can't make it any more clearer that this. To those that say that it is acceptable....please show me in the Bible where God says its okay....Please...I would love to read the response to this. Jesus only spoke of marriage between a Man and Woman in the new testament and the apostles only talk about marriage between a man and woman b/c it was still an abomination to live the G-'ay lifestyle.
Bottom line is that its not a choice(I can attest to it and so have many scienfitic studies. If you tink about it, why would anyone choose to be something that is goign to cause them to be persecuted and aliented from family and friends; noone rational would do that?). So, now we are left to conclude that some people were just created with this unforgivable urge, but why? Why would one be created in such a fashion to provoke god;s revulsion? And really who does it hurt? If you think about infidelity among a married couples, that has real societtal implicaitons because you create a situaiton where kids and families are divided, kids lose parents to divorce. BUt here we are just talking about people who want to be together. A poster mentioned why should we allow schools to teach tolerance? Well the schools are not indcotnating anyone, at least so far as i have seen, but under the premise that it is not a choice and that your offsping may carry the affilcition of which you speak, leanring that it is acceptable will go along way to allowing your son or daughter to lead a happy life. And if he or she is so lucky no to be so afflicted, then what is taught in schools will instgruc tthem no to persecute those who are.
@ Yalesouth,
You say:
"Bottom line is that its not a choice(I can attest to it and so have many scienfitic studies. If you tink about it, why would anyone choose to be something that is goign to cause them to be persecuted and aliented from family and friends; noone rational would do that?). So, now we are left to conclude that some people were just created with this unforgivable urge,"
I say: The key to that who bit is the word "urge". No one I mean no one is perfect but CHOOSING to act on this "urge" is what is the sin. So in essence it is a choice....by teaching in our schools that this ok...its and abomination....period. You don't want them teaching religion right?...I don't want my child to learn that this is okay b/c its contrary to the Bible and is NOT okay. Teach in our schools to Love these people and encourage them to NOT act on this "urge" and CHOOSE to follow God and allow God to change them IS what should be taught.
I am straight happily married, I am agnostic I know being straight or g-ay is not a choice. We are born one way or the other. I have proved my simple point on these blogs over and over. I could care a less what any fictional religious book has to say about it.
T-party. So, you write that you are straight and happily married. You always leave out the entire equation. Now, it's up to us to figure out if your spouse is happily or unhappily married to you.
From Mark Twain,
"[The Bible] has noble poetry in it... and some good morals and a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of a thousand lies."
I would challenge all believers to this prayer. On May 5, 2011 the "national day of prayer" all our wounded service men and women will have their lost limbs, sight, hearing and peace of mind restored. All our dead solderer will be resurrected. And our service persons will ever again be injured while defending our nation.
Pray that if you love America!
I do believe that the bible condemns hom-os-exuality, but I also believe that bible is a book written by ancient people and has no more authority than the Harry Potter books. (But I will concede that the bible has greater moral authority than the Twilight Saga.)
tallulah13. What is your explanation of the word "condemned"? What is your explanation of the word "stop"? What do you know about "spiritual teachings of Jesus" vs the earthly ways of how you learned to think carnally?
The Bible condemns (meaning TO STOP) all carnal thinking, beliefs, actions. What part of that concept do you not understand? Carnal thinking stays connected to the urges of the flesh. Urges of the flesh, along with carnal thinking leads to sin. Jesus spiritual teachings explains how to overcome the urges of the flesh and carnal thinking so that the human will stop sinning. Stop (or condemn you from) believing His teachings speak only on the topic of h-s$x-uals carnal thinking attached to the flesh urges. His teachings, speak about the many facets of carnal thinking of individuals consumed with urges of the flesh.
Come on HeavenSent! Just come out of the closet already! We all know you are a ho-mose-xual. It will be ok.
HS, perhaps you missed those Leviticus verse that people love to quote. It actually seems fairly straight forward. I don't particularly agree with that verse, but then, I think the entire bible is just a collection of bronze age stories.
Eric G., I write about ALL of Jesus' spiritual teachings that I've learned. You, on the hand, are stuck on the h-o- ... s3x-ual aspect of His teachings. I know what Jesus teaches. You do not and care not. That is obvious.
Get over yourself with your carnal thinking. I know many h-o ... s4-uals that are currently celibate in order to learn His spiritual teachings.
tallulah13, I wrote my answers to those question on other article blogs. Do your homework and research the other articles to see what I posted. If not, you won't know what I wrote.
@HeavenSent: The article is about ho-mo-se-xuality and the Bible. I am on topic.
Are you saying that you deny your ho-mo-se-xuality because you think you understand the Bible?
Eric from reading the posts from this HeavenSent it truly obvious this person feels empowered by cutting down other people since they lack self esteem was crushed by others in the real world. They even admitted they suffered under bad bosses so they drowned their psychological issues into the Bible, then comes here to boost their self esteem by slamming others. Watch as the post continue, the negativity but this poster won't see it since they are truly lost.
@ Tallulah13,
You quote Leviticus....glad you know that but have you ever read Hebrews...nuff said. Anyway the New Testament also condemns Ho-'mo-'s-'e-'xuality...See Romans and 1 Corithians. By the way the Bible has been around longer than you or I will be so don't worry it will still be around and STILL truth long after you and I are in the grave.
CW, the bible will be around for a long time but one can only hope that humanity will find the wisdom to put it in the fiction section where it belongs, and stop using it as an excuse to hurt others.
@ Tallulah,
The Bible isn't fiction....first off there is a mountain of history and evidence that the things written in the Bible did indeed HAPPEN. Second The Bible isn't used to hurt others..but the truth does hurt don't it...I know I've sinned and broke commandments in the Bible...so I repent and CHOOSE to do right....so if that is your take then I guess when someone tells you the truth and references said law I guess we need to abolish said law b/c it hurts someone. Third...Man will never had true wisdom unless it comes from God...so The Bible will never go away. Fourth anyone that says that this behavior hurts no one....that is wrong...it has hurt our society just like divorce and other things equally as bad.
CW: Then by you standards the Illiad is also true, as archeologists have found the ruins of Troy I guess this maens that Zeus and the entire Greek pantheon are watching us now!
Also, you may deny all you want, but the bible and it's verses have been used as an excuse to keep slaves, to destroy cultures and even now it is being used as an excuse to treat homes.exuals as second class citizens. Meanwhile, Red Lobster is thriving, despite the biblical command not to eat shellfish. Go figure.
@ Tallulah13
you say:
CW: Then by you standards the Illiad is also true, as archeologists have found the ruins of Troy I guess this maens that Zeus and the entire Greek pantheon are watching us now!
I say: Don't know where to go with that....I know....I tell you what you can believe in the greek gods if you choose. We will see each other on Judgement Day...let me know how it goes.
You say:
Also, you may deny all you want, but the bible and it's verses have been used as an excuse to keep slaves, to destroy cultures and even now it is being used as an excuse to treat homes.exuals as second class citizens. Meanwhile, Red Lobster is thriving, despite the biblical command not to eat shellfish. Go figure.
I say: Once again...I'll point you to the book of hebrews. Let me explain further....when Jesus came he was a fullfillment of the new covenant which meant the sla-'ve and lobster argument don't fly. Second Hebrews in found in the new testament and so is the verses I have pointed out that state that Hom-'o-'s-'e-'xuality is wrong. What do you not understand about this? As far as second class citizens....there rights haven't been taken away...they still can hold a job...shop and the like. The reason you say that they are second class citizens is that they can't have their way on everything. That is why we have laws..to protect society from this abomination of a sin.
CW please provide some of the mountain of Evidence you have for the bible being true...and where it was peer reviewed.. thanks.
Here's some reading for you Eric G.
1st read what is required of us in Luke 9:23-26
Then read who we are to please John 14:6
Leviticus 20:13
Isaiah 44:8
Leviticus 18:22-25
Deuteronomy 23:17
Romans 1:21-28
Amen.
CW, so where is the evidence of enough water having fallen to raise the global sea level 5.5 miles? and where is all of that water now? After all, Mount Everest is 29,029 ft high, 15 cubits of water is approximately 21 feet, and 29,050 feet is five and a half miles, so... where is the evidence of all of this water? and where did it go? come to that, where did it come from?
Genesis 7:19-20 : King James Version (strange that there can be different versions of the divine word of an all knowing god, isn't it?)
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
How exactly did this destroy non-terrestrial life forms? How did Noah feed the animals that were carnivorous, if only a pair of each animal were taken? How did any herbivores survive if alll of their food was buried under water? What did he do with all of the manure? If only Noah and his family survived as well as the animals of his Ark, and repopulated the Earth, how do we have billions of people in a matter of a few thousand years? How did animals and humans come to be on North and South America if they are separated from Noah's site of "landing", all without any mention in the bible? If god created all life, isn't it strange that there is no mention of dinosaurs in the bible? How did a great extinction occur 65 million years before anyone was around to conceive/author the bible?
Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.-
To wit:
o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:
“ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "
"Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8
Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.......
The Blind leading the Blind. Eyes that can not see, ears that can not hear. Always staying on the carnal level of thinking, never to learn Spiritual teachings.
Keep copying and pasting other works, and you'll never make the grade. Protesting too much about spiritual teachings explaining all the many personalities in the world. What the world teaches about sociopaths, psychopaths, any/all anti-social personalities and what they can do to others in the world. Do you complain? Do you argue what a text book(s) teaches? Do you have a conversation with your professor(s) to get more details to questions you still have? Or, continue to believe that the parts you studied are only half truth, without studying and comprehending the entire text? Get the answers you seek from your professor(s) teaching the material to put your mind at rest. Or, do you continue to knock the teachings because you didn't do the work to learn it?
Free will. Study and get answers to your questions to settle your mind what you are being taught.
Don't study, don't learn, continue to complain.
Study Jesus' teachings or the teachings of any of the sciences agree that male sperm coming in contact with female egg(s) produces. Sperm meeting sperm and eggs meeting egg(s) do not produce. Only male sperm (whether gay or straight) meeting female egg(s) (whether gay or straight) produces.
Amen or in your lingo, so it is.
The thing is, we are all in the same situation. No one really KNOWS anything for sure. We don't know why we're here, who, if anyone, put us here, what will happen to us when we die, or for that matter, what will happen to us in the next moment. I know some of you think you know, but really we live in a condition of uncertainty.
That's pretty scary. We don't want to be vulnerable. And we don't want to be wrong. As far as we know we have this one life and we want to get it right. So it's really tempting to just grab onto something that looks solid and stable and safe and call it the truth. I think that's what faith is, and I think we all need some kind of faith to sustain us.
I get that, and I respect that, whether you are certain about your christianity or your atheism. But what is not OK is for any of us to inflict our beliefs onto other people, especially when those people are in no way infringing on our rights or our lives. And what I see happening here and in our national dialogue, and the world at large is religious extremists proclaiming their way as the only way, and enforcing their beliefs on everyone (often violently), and condemning anyone who believes differently.
I don't see that same kind of destructive and aggressive actions coming from more moderate believers, or from non-believers.
I will offer my opinion, knowing that it is just that – an opinion. The best way to live in uncertainty is to be humble and curious. Thinking you know it all already kind of makes the rest of your life redundant, doesn't it? I think it's better to try to use my life to learn about this incredible, miraculous world, and to learn to live with integrity in my actions, acceptance and compassion in my mind and love in my heart. That's what I have faith in – "our higher angels," be they prophets, saints, philosophers, scientists, children, or sunsets.
"No one really KNOWS anything for sure. "
That's not true, and to claim otherwise is to really know something.
Jesus' teachings are spiritual. Humans are born with carnal thinking learned by the ways of the world. Carnal thinking causes sin due to urges of the flesh. Those who knock Jesus' spiritual teachings do not know His teachings. Nor, the teachings of any religion. When a carnally thinking individual knocks heads with a practicing Christian (or other that knows the teachings from their religion) for knowing what Jesus teaches, you get frustrated because you can not see because you have no eyes to see, nor hear, because you have no ears to hear His truth simply because you've never studied them. Hence, carnal thinking is causing your conflict. Solution, study His teachings, or any of the teachings and then you will have eyes to see, ears to hear. If not, you will continue to stay on the carnal level of thinking which keeps the person frustrated.
Free will, remember! Study to learn and get a passing grade. Refuse to study and Jesus doesn't pass you. Same with the other religions.
With a sagging rump like that, looks like "HeavenSent" has given in to too many "urges of the flesh" herself.
I do KNOW that you're going to die. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Heb. 9:27.
Hang on tight, your ride will get bumpy from here on out.
BUT... For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16. Only a fool would turn down such an offer with death staring him in the face!
el_incr, I think you mean "lumpy", not "bumpy". Lumpy like HeavenSent's fat saggy rump.
Pea brain, have a great time through life.
"The Lord has made all for Himself, yes even the wicked for the day of doom." Proverbs 16:4 (Romans 9:6-24, Psalms 92:5-7)
These blogs and the comments on them always bring to mind the tale of the 6 blind men and the elephant. You all should read it.
The important truth about that story that nobody thinks about is, regardless of what the blind men thought they were describing, in the end it was an elephant regardless of what they thought it was. You can believe whatever you want to beleive about the truth, but the truth is still the truth despite your perception of it.
Well stated, Sheetiron
Exactly. Perception of the individual. Each person owns their mind set.
Oh, brilliant addition, Stink. Wow, you must have been the top of the bottom half of your class at Podunk High School.
What the bunch of you idiots missed is that not ONE of the blind men knew what the elephant really was. And neither do any of you, no matter how hard you pat yourselves on the back or how big your d*cks are.