There were thousands of comments on Thursday's Belief Blog post arguing that the Bible condemns homosexuality, a response to another guest post arguing that the Bible is much more ambiguous on homosexuality than previously thought.
Most of the comments appear to doubt the Bible's condemnation of homosexuality - or challenge the wisdom looking to the Bible for guidance on such matters. And, as usual, we're struck by all the atheist comments. They seem to far outnumber believers' comments.
Interesting that gay is a sin. However, I never see the "correct" religious people fighting to save families and male-female marriages. Are you out there condemning those "straight" couples who cheat, beat and abuse one another, then flee a marriage? No, you don't. But, yet I see you "correct" religious people fighting to keep gay couples from being married in even a civil union when straight marriages are trashed every day.
Why does my son have to learn at school that being gay is cool and OK? Tell you what, no praying in school and no brainwashing our kids that being gay or transgender is acceptable?
As a Christian, I know the No. 1 rule is to not to play God ... which means not judging! We all have our prejudices, which is human nature, but I try very hard to not judge. Here's a very simple rule that makes it easy:
You can look at your neighbor and decide that you would NEVER do, act, or speak things that they will do, act, or speak ... but they are looking at you thinking the same! None of us are perfect, and we ALL do things the Bible says not to do (including abominations like eating pork, shellfish, gold, etc..)!
Like Sirena I have read the Bible multiple times. I was raised Catholic, parents were religious educators and lectures ... I think reading the Bible, front to back, and not just the little snippets you get on Sunday, would turn most reasonable people away. It is so full of contradiction you have to suspend belief to believe. How can you take one "instruction manual" and wind up with so many "products"? It's ridiculous.
I've read the Bible many times since I became an adult in the early '80s. I grew up a Catholic, later was a "born again," then still later was a member of another Protestant church. My conclusion after thoughtful reading, prayer, meditation, and living life: It's well-writtern fiction; it has some good rules to live by (much of the New Testament) and some that are so heinously dated (most of the Old Testament) that they should be illegal. This thing, as a whole, was not written by the hand of any God I want to worship.
The end will come when the sun runs out of fuel enough to kill all life on Earth & not before then.Pretty simple.
God wants us all to live in peace & happiness with each other. I'm not gay...weather you are or you are not...that is your personal choice. The war between good and evil is that which we all have within us...to bring harm upon ourselves and our fellow human beings by what we think...how we think, our thoughts spoken aloud, and our actions...is your intent to hurt or to help? I cannot see how one is helping the other bickering back and forth about who is right and who is wrong...this is hatred and it only leads to more...this isn't Gods will! His will is that we acknowledge Him in everything we think, say, and do...and for us to have the inner faith to know He is up there sorting out all our B.S. here on earth and making it right...that is beneficial to all in the long run.
The most adamant of the zealots fail to acknowledge that just because they "believe" they "KNOW" what the Bible says and what God means it does not make them right. The disgusting CW and even more disgusting Heaven Stink are absolutely convinced that their view of the "truth" is the only correct one, when in fact, scholars who are far more learned than they (meaning people who actually went to college and studied theology) disagree on the meaning of the Scriptures, and have done so since the Bible was written.
You idiots who spew your certainties make me laugh. I'll bet God laughs at you, too, seeing you pretend you understand that which has confounded many far more intelligent than you two (that would be pretty much anyone with an IQ greater than 60).
But do continue to brag and judge, to blather and yap.
Honestly, what intelligent person cares what is written in the Jewish book of Fairy Tales? It was written by primitives who didn't even know what a germ was.
Don't you just LOVE how Heaven's Fa*t and Complete Wimp think others should forgo se* ual relations with someone to whom they love because they believe "God says it's wrong", but they can indulge themselves in s*x and marriage?
By the way, Heaven's Stinker and CW (which couldn't possibly stand for anything but Constant Witlessness), you couldn't be any less appealing to anyone. Don't every go into sales. You couldn't sell an air conditioner in hell if you practically gave it away.
It must be nice to be successful in finding some writer who hates the same people you do and gives you permission to continue your campaign of hatred against them by telling you what you want to hear.
You're a pair of cretins who make monkeys look extremely bright.
Try reading Matthew,exodus and leviticus as you read understand that it says any man that lies with a man is an abomination to the lord. The old testament says they should be stned to death. As far as todays schools go teaching tolerence and acceptance if this nation is not judged for this God then owes sodom and gamorah an apology
Try reading "Dick and Jane", you moron. It's "Sodom" and "Gomorrah". You're beyond stupid.
I find your talk about God offensive to me and my religion, and therefore, I reject every single one of your statements.
Have a nice, non-religious specific day!
Yes you can. You're wrong there.
Alright guys, let's clear this up. Abstinance programs can be related to Changing Someone's S-E-X uality. Does it work? If the issue is not forced. CW, what you're saying is that you will push if someone tries to become straight. AKA you will force them if they start to think that way. Prepare for backlash.
God loves everyone. I'm no longer a christian, for people like CW, but I read the Bible inside and out. And the only one that can judge me for what I do is God himself. CW, you cannot judge me for what I do in my bedroom or in my life. We do not need more children in this world. Have you heard of starvation in the world? Overpopulation? We need to stop that. Or we're going to end up creating our own judgement day.
In the end; no one knows what the end of our lives hold. Sure. The bible says that. But. The bible had to be written by someone who is alive. Who does not know what the end of the road brings.
CW, you and Heaven Stinker can quote scripture all day long and won't matter a whit. You'll still be ugly people who will do nothing but drive others away from Christianity and God. Congratulations.
Christ Himself had not a single word to say about the gay issue. In the Hel-lenistic culture that was the backdrop against which early Christianity played out, hom-ose-xuality was strongly associated with pagan temple pros-ti-tution, and therefore, idolatry. As an evangelical Christian, it saddens me to see most of the church so militantly anti-gay. But these Xians are of the same spirit as those who condemned Copernicus as a heretic. There is such an abundance of scientific evidence against the "preference" or "choice" model, and so much in favor of genetic/conge-nital determination, it breaks my heart to see the church treat these people so shamelessly. Even now, many Xian groups continue to forbid women to enter the pastoral ministry, but that is changing. Why? Because in the time of the early church, women were still viewed as less than men, and were not allowed to be schooled in theology, but the church simply reads Paul's declaration against women teaching in the church. Likewise, they refuse to accept the fact that gay relationships have matured over the centuries as well. But mainly, the church seems barely able to survive without having someone to demonize. Jesus said, "Judge not, that you may not be judged." In the Old Testament, God said, "I would have mercy, and not sacrifice." I could be wrong, but on the day I face my Judge, I would rather to be found to have erred on the side of mercy than of judgment. Perhaps if the church gave mercy a try, it would remember that the salvation of each of its true members was paid for with the precious blood of Christ. "Let us love one another, for everyone who loves is born of God, and knows God. He who does not love does not know God;for God is love."
Thank you for your words of wisdom and mercy!
CW.. Hope is town in British Columbia. If I wanted to live in hope I would have moved there rather than Edmonton. There is no reason to concern yourself regarding judgment day... I do not fear superst-ition.. do you worry about Friday 13? or worry if black cat walks in front of you... most likely not because you have applied logic to the situation... just take those thoughts and go a little further. You are grown up enough now to make your own decisions I would think that you would no longer need a sky teddy.
That is your choice...to believe or not. One day you will...hope its not on Judgement Day b/c it will be too late then. By the way the book of fairy tales you speak of...there is a mountain of evidence to support it....like history of the middle east. Its your choice.
The genius CW brays: "Okay....I'll say how it would affect my life. 1) I don't want anyone to go burn....so in essence if we as people can encourage people to repent and not sin...Great. 2) you can't separate things like you want it....God is apart of our lives and everything is b/c of him and so one can't separate what God would say...hence the saying "what would God do".
You may not care what God says....hope you change as well. If not....roll the dice....and see what happens."
I care what God says. I don't care what some redneck, illiterate hillbilly who never made it past high school thinks God says.
You're an imbecile, CW. You can't spell, you don't know how to reason, and you're simply not equipped with the intelligence or the education to interpret the Bible for anyone else. Just stop it. Go live your own life and be Christ-like. And shut the h*ll up on the web. You're not helping your cause one iota.
"Does not potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?. . .and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy which He had prepared beforehand for glory."
Romans 9:21, 23.
CW, if you were any dumber, we'd have to water you.
I found you in the dictionary. I just looked up the word MISERABLE, and there you were.
Time to read His truth (the Bible) to save your soul.
"I found you in the dictionary. I just looked up the word MISERABLE, and there you were."
Congratulations you just proved that you can't comprehend what you read and why your version of the truth about the scriptures is so wrong.
Simply unbelievable. Heaven Sent is STILL here? Doing nothing but antagonizing others, castigating those who disagree with her, and basically proving herself to be the worst possible example of a Christian anyone could possibly imagine.
Satan must love you, honey.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2 Timothy 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2 Timothy 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
Here she STILL is, doing absolutely nothing of any value. Heaven Sent, you are, without doubt, the WORST example of Christ's love I've ever seen. You are nothing but a shrill, shrieking, polarizing zealot who does nothing to improve this world WHATSOEVER. Nothing.
"The Lord has made all for Himself, yes even the wicked for the day of doom." Proverbs 16:4 (Romans 9:6-24, Psalms 92:5-7)
Do you guys seriously not have anything better to do than sit and argue about something that people will ever agree on? This conversation is ridiculous. Don't judge; to each his own!
So many posting here who know what "God: says.
From a book written by man.
Unless God has talked directly with you (and i want proof)
Anything you believe is heresay and garbage.
But god told moses.........
yup, and i took LSD and Ozzy told me......
Some people have drugs, some have alchohol, and some have religion.
Just keep it to yourself.
and by the way.............stop trying to use your illusions to pass laws
against other people......THIS IS AMERICA !!!!
"The Lord has made all for Himself, yes even the wicked for the day of doom." Proverbs 16:4 (Romans 9:6-24, Psalms 92:5-7).
Peter, if you started reading the Bible, you would know Jesus wrote it. It's easy to be lazy and listen to those that don't know His truth, but to save your own soul, read His word for yourself. There is no excuses in heaven when you tell him, you never got around to reading about what He wants for you and from you.
God, through the Holy Spirit (which is simply the Spirit of God) moved those men to write the various books of the Bible. God had them to write what He wanted written. Thereby God was able to interrelate the sixty-six separate books that make up the Bible. It is like one giant puzzle where every piece fits perfectly into its place in relation to all the others.
Just as God Himself wrote the Ten Commandments, He also had the rest of the entire Bible written through the pen and paper of man, but always by the power and the influence of His Holy Spirit.
12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
Seeing isn't believing; believing is seeing