March 6th, 2011
12:27 PM ET
Congressmen disagree over 'premise' of hearing on radicalization of Muslim America
By Rebecca Stewart, CNN
Washington (CNN)– Republican Rep. Peter King of New York says "something from within" the Muslim community is a "threat" to America that needs to be explored.
The issue will be discussed in the upcoming week as King, the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, holds hearings on the radicalization of Muslim Americans. Democratic Minnesota Rep. Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, openly disagreed with the premise of the hearings as King gave a preview Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union" with Candy Crowley of what will be discussed Thursday on the Hill.
"I challenge the basic premise of the hearings," Ellison said. "We should deal with radicalization and violent radicalization, but that singling out one community is the wrong thing to do."
But for King, the goal is to investigate the source of the "threat." He compared the goal of the hearings to investigating the Mafia within the Italian community or going after the Russian mob in "the Russian community in Brighton Beach and Coney Island."
"We're talking about al Qaeda," King said. "There's been self radicalization going on within the Muslim community, within a very small minority, but it's there and that's where the threat is coming from at this time."
Read the full story from CNN's Political Ticker about Candy Crowley's interview with Rep. Peter King and Rep Keith Ellison.
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An-Nisa sura 04:
Hast thou not seen those unto whom a portion of the Scripture hath been given, how they believe in idols and false deities, and how they say of those (idolaters) who disbelieve: "These are more rightly guided than those who believe"? (51).
Al-Naml sura 27:
She said: Lo! kings, when they enter a township, ruin it and make the honour of its people shame. Thus will they do. (34).
America does not want to admit that this redicalization hearing is only meant to target Shiaa's in their fears of Iran regime.
@ Muneef as an agnostic of all religions, I consider it a true compliment to be ignorant of Islam. I am knowledgeable of my own mind,helping others,working hard, free thinking,eating pork,drinking beer,mountain biking,and loving my family
So you mean to say you are living with out compus? Soon you will realize that you will be needing one.
The Five Deceptions of Islam:
1.) "Islam is a religion of love."
2.) "Islam is a religion of peace."
3.) "Allah is just another name for God."
4.) "We worship Jesus Christ like you do."
5.) "Koran is the Divine Word of Allah."
Your knowldge is nil in Islam...
What Muslims been told about dealing with disbelievers;
Al-Kafiroon sura 109:
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
Say: O disbelievers! (1) I worship not that which ye worship; (2) Nor worship ye that which I worship. (3) And I shall not worship that which ye worship. (4) Nor will ye worship that which I worship. (5) Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. (6).
Verses prove that what ever is happening is not religious conflicts but rather political interests...
I am agnostic I do not put up with religious right-wing folks. America is not going to give into radical islam.
CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding case – so named by the Justice Department. CAIR operatives have repeatedly refused to denounce Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist groups. Several former CAIR officials have been convicted of various crimes related to jihad terror. CAIR's co-founder and longtime Board chairman (Omar Ahmad), as well as its chief spokesman (Honest Ibe Hooper), have made Islamic supremacist statements.
What I would like to see American muslims speak out against is not the hearings but their brothers who are hellbent on killing Americans. That might prevent "the hearings" don't you think? Stand with us, not against us. As my mom used to say, "the proof the pudding is in the eating". If you don't stand for something, you'll stand for anything". Now, do the right thing and be a proud American who is "against killing innocent people' and tell the radicals that.
Al-Anbiya sura 21:
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
We said: O fire, be coolness and peace for Abraham, (69) And they wished to set a snare for him, but We made them the greater losers. (70).
An-Nasr sura 110:
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
When Allah's succour and the triumph cometh (1) And thou seest mankind entering the religion of Allah in troops, (2) Then hymn the praises of thy Lord, and seek forgiveness of Him. Lo! He is ever ready to show mercy. (3)
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I wonder if the hearing will cover how American and European foreign policy in the Middle East has helped to establish conditions for extremist movements in a dictator ridden region of the globe...no probably not.
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@watcher – great post and couldn't agree with you more.
@No Muslim Slave – you keep paying attention, i'm sure they will continue feeding you lies and false info until you get up and see the world for yourself.
King is correct, as should be obvious to anyone who's been paying attention. Do any of you hysterical ranters have any clue what is happening in Europe? WAKE UP, AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
between this hearing by King and the anti-muslim protests going around the country, al qaeda and taliban are smiling at our recruitment for potential jihadis to join them. after these types of actions by the so called "civilized" american society, christians and other non-muslims will be put in further danger in places like Pakistan. americans who support these types of hearing are the best recruiters for al qaeda and taliban. just like there were some americans who had hand in the holocaust, there are certain americans who have a hand in supporting ideaology.
Exactly why the hearings are needed:
The koranic/mosque driven acts of terror and horror continue on a 24/7 basis:
1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured
1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh
2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured
3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops killed in action, 3,483 and 925 in non combt roles.
99,901 – 109,143 Iraqi civilians killed as of 3/3/2011/, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and
4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.
5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.
6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.
7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.
8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.
9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.
10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,141 killed in action, 242 killed in non-combat situations as of 03/03/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror
11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.
12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.
13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,
14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.
15) The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.
16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.
17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.
18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.
19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011
20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011
20 million native Americans killed in North America.
30 million killed in south America
10 million Africans killed during transportation to the Americas.
Tens of millions killed during the scramble for Africa, and subsequent colonization (9 million by Belgium alone)
60 million killed in WW2
"The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:
o The Muslim Conquest of India
■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "
Rank Death Toll Cause Centuries Religions/Groups involved*
1 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")
2 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)
40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)
4 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)
5 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)
6 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)
20 million Joseph Stalin 20C
8 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)
9 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C
10 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)
11 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)
15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians)
13 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C
14 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C
10 million Xin Dynasty 1C
16 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)
17 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans)
8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)
19 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)
7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C
*:" Is religion responsible for more more violent deaths than any other cause?
A: No, of course not – unless you define religion so broadly as to be meaningless. Just take the four deadliest events of the 20th Century – Two World Wars, Red China and the Soviet Union – no religious motivation there, unless you consider every belief system to be a religion."
Q: So, what you're saying is that religion has never killed anyone.
A: Arrgh... You all-or-nothing people drive me crazy. There are many doc-umented examples where members of one religion try to exterminate the members of another religion. Causation is always complex, but if the only difference between two warring groups is religion, then that certainly sounds like a religious conflict to me. Is it the number one cause of mass homicide in human history? No. Of the 22 worst episodes of mass killing, maybe four were primarily religious. Is that a lot? Well, it's more than the number of wars fought over soccer, or s-ex (The Trojan and Sabine Wars don't even make the list.), but less than the number fought over land, money, glory or prestige.
In my Index, I list 41 religious conflicts compared with 27 oppressions under "Communism", 24 under Colonialism, 2 under "Railroads" and 2 under "Scapegoats". Make of that what you will."
Ideologies when polluted by greeds it becomes a man killer ...
@ Q – Hardly, but I'm willing to bet the faith you have to believe no God exists is the very same faith Christians have to believe God exists...now who's being incredulous here?!? "Invisible pink unicorn" Pffft!!!
@Upperhand – If I told you an invisible pink unicorn was standing behind you, is "faith" the word you would use to describe your incredulity?
Let us not forget Darfur, where Arab Muslims are fighting and slaughtering Non Arab Muslims...so much for the "religion of peace"!! Various sources have claimed it is a war waged by Muslim Arabs against Christian and Animist black Africans. However, this distinction is not always true as many of the victims of the atrocities in Darfur were also Muslim (albeit not Arab).
Let's not forget that Christians have a lot of blood in their hands.
@ Roberert – Is that all you got?? Pfft!!
Stick to the fokkin subject!!! This is about Islam not Christianity dumb a**!!!