March 7th, 2011
01:36 PM ET

Muslim hearings: Shining a light or turning up the heat?

Editor's Note: CNN’s Soledad O’Brien chronicles the dramatic fight over the construction of a mosque in the heart of the Bible belt. “Unwelcome: The Muslims Next Door”, airs Sunday, March 27 at 8 p.m. E.T.

By Dave Schechter, CNN Senior National Editor

The inference in the rabbi’s question could not be missed.

“I know that, at the Olympics, when I see the American get a gold medal and they play ‘The Star-Spangled Banner,’ I cry,” the rabbi said. “So my question is, if an American Muslim sees somebody getting a gold medal for the United States and they play ‘The Star-Spangled Banner,’ do they cry?”

The rabbi was one of 200 or so people who came to an Atlanta temple for an event titled “Understanding the Quran,” sponsored by the Southeast Branch of the Anti-Defamation League and the Islamic Speakers Bureau of Atlanta. The question was directed to the guest speaker, an American Muslim professor who teaches about Islam at a highly regarded university near Boston.

Looking around the sanctuary, I saw more than one person among the 200 or so present had arched an eyebrow and displayed a look of amazement that such a question would be asked; some with the particular knowledge that American Jews have faced questions of whether their loyalty is divided between the United States and Israel.

The American Muslim answered politely, telling the rabbi that, yes, he roots for the American athletes to win at the Olympics. “I cry,” the visiting scholar assured him.

I recalled witnessing this exchange back when thinking about the upcoming hearings organized by Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee on whether American Muslims pose a threat to the United States.

“My first goal is just to have people even acknowledge this as a real issue," King told The Washington Post. "This politically correct nonsense has kept us from debating and discussing what is one of this country's most vital issues. We are under siege by Muslim terrorists."

“Siege” is a strong word. The American Religious Identification Survey conducted in 2008 estimated there to be nearly 1.35 million Muslims in the United States. Community activists believe this figure too low. Nonetheless, out of a population this large, the number of Muslim Americans who either perpetrated or were arrested for terrorist crimes in 2010 was . . . 20, according to the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security (a consortium of Duke University, the University of North Carolina and RTI International, a think tank).

American Muslims are concerned about the tenor and direction of these hearings. Since 9/11, they have felt a heavy gaze directed at them even as they go about their daily lives. At the extreme, they have been the victims of violence, ranging from physical attacks to vandalism at the mosques where they worship. On the margins, there has been verbal abuse, some of it directed at their children. Consider for a moment, what it must feel like to a Muslim born in the United States, particularly to a child, to bear the brunt of this abuse. So, what good can come to our lives from these hearings, they ask.

On the other side, those who feel that American Muslims constitute a fifth column within the larger American population see these hearings as shining a spotlight where light is needed.

Further evidence of the heat the issue provokes was on display recently at a forum in South Florida hosted by Rep. Allen West, R-Fla.

Among those who took a turn at the microphone was Nezar Hamze, South Florida executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, viewed as a leading activist organization by the Muslim community and as an arm of militant Islam by its critics.

Hamze went to confront West about the congressman’s previous statements that the Quran directs Muslims to kill non-Muslims and that this is what lies behind radical Islam’s hatred of the United States.

In their exchange, West cited several incidents over the history of Islam, including 9/11 and the shootings at Fort Hood, Texas. For good measure, he told Hamze, “Don’t blow sunshine up my butt,” to cheers from the audience.

“Congressman, I am ashamed. I am ashamed to be here with all these people when you attack Islam,” Hamze said. Catcalls already directed at Hamze from the audience only grew louder.

West, a retired lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army, a decorated soldier who served in both Iraq and Afghanistan, retorted, “You attacked us. You attacked us,” in effect making Hamze the embodiment of the Islamic terrorists who killed 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001. “I went to Muslim countries to defend the freedom of Muslim people. Don’t come up here and try to criticize me.”

Hamze, with something of a bemused smile on his face, turned and walked away from the microphone.

Writing about the experience later, Hamze, a native of Fort Lauderdale, said: "Mr. West, you have brought great shame to the United States House of Representatives. Your behavior that evening represents the antithesis of our democratic republic. We look to our leaders to answer difficult questions with dignity and composure. Your behavior represented that of a military commander barking orders at a soldier. Mr. West, you are no longer a military commander, and I am not your enemy. You looked at me and said, 'You attacked us, you attacked us.' I didn't attack anything, and for you to accuse me of such horrific events is just as baseless as your knowledge of Islam. Terrorists attacked us on 9/11, Mr. West. Terrorists attacked us!”

Whether it is a rabbi questioning the loyalty of American Muslims to the U.S. Olympic teams, epithets shouted at Muslims by protesters outside a community event, or the director of an American Muslim organization questioning a congressman and, in turn, being rebuked, it is clear that what another congressman sees as hearings that will shine light, the targeted community is worried about the heat that will be turned on as a result.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: 9/11 • Afghanistan • Iraq • Islam • Muslim • Quran

soundoff (99 Responses)
  1. Upperhand

    The Five Deceptions of Islam:

    1.) "Islam is a religion of love."
    2.) "Islam is a religion of peace."
    3.) "Allah is just another name for God."
    4.) "We worship Jesus Christ like you do."
    5.) "Koran is the Divine Word of Allah."

    Unlike Islam, Koran, Hadith, etc....Jesus Christ teaches us the following:

    Then one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, perceiving that He had answered them well, asked Him, "Which is the first commandment of all?" Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. 'And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment. And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these." – Mark 12:28-31

    March 9, 2011 at 2:40 am |
    • B(iraq) Hussein Osama

      >> 4.) "We worship Jesus Christ like you do.

      muslims DO NOT worship Jesus Christ
      it would be considered a MAJOR SIN in Islam to worship a physical human enti ty

      >> 3.) "Allah is just another name for God."

      Allah is just another name for THE HOLY FATHER, yes.

      >> Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one.

      JESUS was of course speaking as a JEW!! When he spoke these words, Christianity or the New Testament did not exist at the time. But as we now know, this is not as clear cut. GOD IS THREE-IN-ONE. There is indeed One Lord in Christianity, but HE appears in three different forms.

      IT IS IRONIC that a Christian should throw this quote from Jesus on a Muslim's face, when the Islamic Lord (Allah) is MUCH MORE "ONE" than the Christian Lord (Father-Son-Holy Ghost)!!

      March 9, 2011 at 5:45 am |
  2. The Curious Sofa

    Justina: I understand your confusion, for it is the confusion that millions suffer from. The fact is that you're pointing your finger at the 'Middle Eastern' culture rather than the Islamic religion. Culture vs. Religion, Justina.

    March 8, 2011 at 9:36 pm |
  3. Muneef

    That is what the Muslims been told as to dealing with disbelievers; 

    Al-Kafiroon sura 109:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    Say: O disbelievers! (1) I worship not that which ye worship; (2) Nor worship ye that which I worship. (3) And I shall not worship that which ye worship. (4) Nor will ye worship that which I worship. (5) Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. (6).

    March 8, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
    • Muneef

      What ever is happening is more political rather than religious conflicts....

      March 8, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  4. Really???

    This Sharia Dream of religious law courts & government inside the United States is doomed to failure. The real reason Americans view Islam askance is America's foundations refuse to permit ANY religion to become a state religion or replace civil laws. Radical Muslim imams & organizers must demonize America or lose control of their people. They try to cloak their fanatical stances but the internet is too porous for this facade to be effective for long. Hamze's role there was that of a provocateur, angling to get a propaganda soundbite to use on gullible youths for recruitment. The old term for this is baiting.

    March 8, 2011 at 4:39 pm |
  5. Really???

    A Sharia dream of religious law courts or government inside the United States is doomed to failure. The real reason Americans view Islam askance is America's basic foundations refuse to permit ANY religion as a state religion or to replace secular laws. Radical imams & organizers feel they must demonize America or lose control of their people. They try to cloak their radical stances but the internet is too porous for this facade to be effective long. Hamze's role there was that of a provocateur angling to get a propaganda soundbite to use on gullible youth for recruitment. An old term for this is baiting.

    March 8, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
  6. norm57

    SHINE the light!

    March 8, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
  7. joe

    Our own US military handbooks for counter-insurgency emphasize "engaging the community" over "killing the enemy".

    There is a good reason for that. If you want to combat the extreme elements within a group of people, you don't attack the people you suspect – the whole group will turn against you for attacking their members.

    A far more effective way is to work with the group to marginalize their extreme elements. Get the people in the group to disown and isolate their extremists. without community support, the insurgents cannot operate nearly as effectively. Who will hide them? Who will feed them?

    That is why these hearings make us less safe. They (perhaps inadvertently) attack and marginalize the entire US muslim community when that very community is what could help us most in this fight. It's a bad tactic meant to earn short-term political gains among bigots.

    March 8, 2011 at 3:05 pm |
  8. tj

    Peter King is a Hypocrite he supported and fundraised for the IRA a terrorist group yet he thinks he can judge the muslim community. Im not muslim but I do have friends who are and I'd trust them over him and he's my congressman.

    March 8, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
  9. JackSmith

    I don't know why we are still having religious problems in the 21st century. As a guy on http://www.strimps.com said: we are close to discovering aelien life, artificial intelligence, cures for any disease. We have discovered most of the secrets of the Univers. So, ehy on Earth do we still believe in our ancestors gods? Why do we still hate each other for having different gods? We must be not as intelligent as we think!

    March 8, 2011 at 11:44 am |
    • (B)iraq Hussein Osama

      when you say you are close to discovering all the secrets of the universe, we Muslims assume you mean you are close to discovering all the secrets of the universe that Allah created. We have no problem with your discoveries, they are ALL Allah's creations.

      March 8, 2011 at 1:48 pm |
  10. Arif Humayun

    Rep. Peter King’s hearings on the radicalization of Muslims is a timely initiative. It should help remove the Islamic façade from the criminal acts of a miniscule minority who bring disgrace to the loyal and peaceful Muslims living across this great country. Although microscopic the phenomenon of radicalism among Muslim youth is real and must be debated to understand its root cause.

    The doctrine of “Islamic State" developed and propagated after the dismemberment of the Ottoman Empire and the termination of the Ottoman Caliphate in 1924, is the root cause for radicalism. Developed under a defeatist mindset and as a reactionary doctrine, it ‘engineered’ Islamic concepts of jihad, sharia, apostasy, and blasphemy – each of which is used to catalyze radicalism today.

    Concurrently developed by the Muslim Brotherhood (Syed Qut’b) in Egypt and Jama’at-i-Islami (Maulana Modoodi) in undivided India in the early 1940s to recreate the defunct caliphate, this doctrine is based on misrepresented concepts which are contrary to Qur’anic injunctions. A detailed examination of these flawed doctrines was conducted by a high powered investigative commission in Pakistan in 1954. The Commission’s report and a recent book ‘Connivance by Silence’ captures these misrepresentations and must be made part of Rep. King’s hearings.

    The flaws in these misrepresented concepts, as defined by the Pakistani investigative commission, must be highlighted. When the issues are debated, Muslims will be forced to introspect and realize that these convoluted concepts, which are fundamentally against their faith, must be publicly rejected.

    March 8, 2011 at 10:09 am |
  11. Skip Commagere

    The portrayal on Mr. Hamze as a sympathetic figure is ludicrous. He went to the meeting in Florida to ambush Allen West with loaded questions like "Where in the Koran does it say Muslims should kill Americans"? Mamze arrogantly stood there with the an open Koran in his hands. West, like a conditioned military officer, answered the ambush with measured aggression and handled the question with the dignity it deserved.

    Mr. Hamze's executive relationship with The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR pronounced care) which has been a staunch supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, IS part of the problem.

    People of all and no faith are waking up around the world. Muslims understand the difference and are beginning to loose their fear of criticizing the radicals among them. Finely, political leaders are speaking out. Prime Minister Julia Gillard of Australia Is a prime example. Google her views on radical Islam.

    If the views of Mr. Hamze represent your view of reasonable goals and sensible discourse, then American ideals are directly opposed to your views. Consider moving.

    March 8, 2011 at 9:07 am |
  12. Reality

    What instigated the attack on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? The koran, Mohammed's book of death for all infidels and Muslim domination of the world by any means. Muslims must clean up this book removing said passages admitting that they are based on the Gabriel myth and therefore obviously the hallucinations and/or lies of Mohammed. Then we can talk about the safety and location of mosques and what is taught therein. Until then, no male Muslim can be trusted anytime or anywhere.

    March 8, 2011 at 12:14 am |
    • Phaethor

      "No male Muslim can be trusted anytime or anywhere"? I am a Muslim Male. American Between 18 and 40 years old. Born and raised here. I served in the Military and have worked directly for the Government and Government Contractors as well as many private sector companies. I have meet Two (2) Vice Presidents personally and shook their hands where I received awards for my honesty and integrity. Am I Untrustworthy? Am I a potential threat to America and what it stands for?

      There are violent passages in all the Holy Books. We can debate the number or percentage of violent passages that were given by God to his people in the Torah (Bible – Old Testament) (More than 800) or in the Qur’an (a little over 300) during times of War. It means little when you don’t acknowledge the rest of the words. What Hate Mongers fail to point out is that Though a majority of passages from the Qur’an that advocate violence are in response to being attacked first (defending oneself or defending Islam). The Qur’an tells Muslims never to start attacks and if peace is requested then no longer can a Muslim attack the person whom requested the peace. And if killing is done outside of defense in Islam it is akin to the killing of All Mankind. You never hear this side of Islam from the Hate Spewers.

      March 8, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • Reality

      The OT and NT are being cleansed of Dark Age theology and myths. See : http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482 and http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

      Unfortunately, this is not happening with the koran because of the threat of koranic-driven Islamic death squads as evidenced by the treatment of Salmon Rushdie after his publication of The Satanic Verses and the riots after the cartoons of Mohammed were published in Denmark. Until Muslims and non-Muslims are free to criticize and correct the koran, Islam will remain a sham religion and no male Muslim can be trusted.

      March 8, 2011 at 12:56 pm |
  13. Reality

    "The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:

    o The Muslim Conquest of India
    ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

    Rank Death Toll Cause Centuries Religions/Groups involved*

    1 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")

    2 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)

    40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)

    4 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)

    5 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)

    6 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)

    20 million Joseph Stalin 20C

    8 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)

    9 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C

    10 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)

    11 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)

    15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians)

    13 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C

    14 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C

    10 million Xin Dynasty 1C

    16 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)

    17 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans)

    8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)

    19 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)

    7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C

    *:" Is religion responsible for more more violent deaths than any other cause?

    A: No, of course not – unless you define religion so broadly as to be meaningless. Just take the four deadliest events of the 20th Century – Two World Wars, Red China and the Soviet Union – no religious motivation there, unless you consider every belief system to be a religion."

    Q: So, what you're saying is that religion has never killed anyone.

    A: Arrgh... You all-or-nothing people drive me crazy. There are many doc-umented examples where members of one religion try to exterminate the members of another religion. Causation is always complex, but if the only difference between two warring groups is religion, then that certainly sounds like a religious conflict to me. Is it the number one cause of mass homicide in human history? No. Of the 22 worst episodes of mass killing, maybe four were primarily religious. Is that a lot? Well, it's more than the number of wars fought over soccer, or s-ex (The Trojan and Sabine Wars don't even make the list.), but less than the number fought over land, money, glory or prestige.

    In my Index, I list 41 religious conflicts compared with 27 oppressions under "Communism", 24 under Colonialism, 2 under "Railroads" and 2 under "Scapegoats". Make of that what you will."


    March 8, 2011 at 12:12 am |
  14. Cletus

    There can be no peace with Islam, ever. Muhammad was a liar. Islam is the greatest lie of all.

    March 7, 2011 at 11:06 pm |
  15. utahsang

    What is interesting is protest is taking place in times square. The same place a radical muslim tried to blow up last year.

    March 7, 2011 at 10:29 pm |
  16. B(iraq) Hussein Osama

    Why would CAIR or for that matter any other moderate Muslim organization declare ANYBODY a terrorist on the behest of the United States?? The US Gov't itself is a TERRORIST ENTI TY!!

    We moderate and fundamentalist Muslims are just confused spectators in this game, looking at our jihadist terrorists and looking at your terrorist governments and wondering "what's the difference between these two?" We can't tell them apart AT ALL.

    March 7, 2011 at 10:20 pm |
    • Justina

      Biraq, why are you in a country where you don't believe in its government? Why not just leave USA if you really think US government is a terrorist?

      March 7, 2011 at 11:25 pm |
    • Justina

      Biraq, the present West looks bad with immorality. But the worst villains are those who don't allow others God-given freedom of conscience(religious freedom) and equality. In the West, you still can choose not to be immoral. They don't force immorality, not yet.

      March 7, 2011 at 11:34 pm |
  17. Upperhand

    CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding case – so named by the Justice Department. CAIR operatives have repeatedly refused to denounce Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist groups. Several former CAIR officials have been convicted of various crimes related to jihad terror. CAIR's co-founder and longtime Board chairman (Omar Ahmad), as well as its chief spokesman (Honest Ibe Hooper), have made Islamic supremacist statements.

    March 7, 2011 at 10:09 pm |
  18. Beel

    Just what we need. More arrogant foreigner telling us what is wrong with our country.

    March 7, 2011 at 8:39 pm |
    • Justina

      Beel, that's because you stupid immoral present Americans are bashing your own forefathers who were smarter and better in character, teaching your kids US history screwed ways. Treatment of black/colored people is the only thing you got better than previous generation. For everything else, you corrupted. Godless, disrespectful parent-bashers should not expect outsiders or their kids to respect them.

      March 7, 2011 at 9:02 pm |
  19. Beel

    Nothing like the truth Pras.....nice going

    March 7, 2011 at 8:33 pm |
  20. Pras

    The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:

    Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

    Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

    Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’

    When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

    As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

    United States — Muslim 1.0%
    Australia — Muslim 1.5%
    Canada — Muslim 1.9%
    China — Muslim 1%-2%
    Italy — Muslim 1.5%
    Norway — Muslim 1.8%

    At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

    Denmark — Muslim 2%
    Germany — Muslim 3.7%
    United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
    Spain — Muslim 4%
    Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

    From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

    They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).

    France — Muslim 8%
    Philippines — Muslim 5%
    Sweden — Muslim 5%
    Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
    The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
    Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

    At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

    When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings) . Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

    Guyana — Muslim 10%
    India — Muslim 13.4%
    Israel — Muslim 16%
    Kenya — Muslim 10%
    Russia — Muslim 10-15%

    After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

    Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

    At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

    Bosnia — Muslim 40%
    Chad — Muslim 53.1%
    Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

    From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

    Albania — Muslim 70%
    Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
    Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
    Sudan — Muslim 70%

    After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

    Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
    Egypt — Muslim 90%
    Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
    Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
    Iran — Muslim 98%
    Iraq — Muslim 97%
    Jordan — Muslim 92%
    Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
    Pakistan — Muslim 97%
    Palestine — Muslim 99%
    Syria — Muslim 90%
    Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
    Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
    United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

    100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

    Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
    Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
    Somalia — Muslim 100%
    Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

    Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

    March 7, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
    • Beel

      WOW...that shut everybody up. Good post.....gotta get THAT book out to all the Muslim lovers here.

      March 7, 2011 at 8:33 pm |
    • B(iraq) Hussein Osama

      the irony about this whole childish presentation is that muslims are a whopping 20% of the world population, but if you total up ALL THEIR KILLING, MASSACRES, GENOCIDES over the last 100 years, the number does not even add up to ONE PERCENT of the WORLD'S total killings, massacres and genocides!!



      – WORLD WAR ONE = 15 MILLION human beings killed, massacred
      virtually nothing to do with muslims

      – WORLD WAR ONE = 50 MILLION human beings killed, massacred
      nothing to do with muslims

      – JEWISH HOLOCAUST = 6 MILLION human beings gassed to death in Christian Europe
      nothing to do with muslims

      – COMMUNIST PURGES = 20 MILLION human beings massacred in the name of progress
      all over Russia, Europe and China, Southeast Asia
      nothing to do with muslims

      less than 100 years ago!!!

      March 7, 2011 at 9:03 pm |
    • Justina

      Biraq, don't forget that medicine, education and agricultural technologies from Christendom and Christian missionaries have been saving the whole humanity. Muslims invaded countries and attempted genocides in many places and oppressed women, children and infidels for 1,300 years. The world is amazing now how you got away with it for for those years. Your list is meaningless for omissions are too great.

      March 7, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
    • Oh, I See.

      Sorry, (B)iraq. The propaganda has become transparent. People's eyes have been opened. Your bullshi1won't sugar-coat the Islamic agenda, it will only serve to highlight it.

      btw, we only had one WW1.

      March 7, 2011 at 9:23 pm |
    • Useyourbrain

      @Pras: Wow, do you honeslty believe the garbage you are peddling? Honestly, look at pretty much all of the countries in your 50% and over group and they are nearly all puppet regimes supported by the US political machine, or overthrown puppet regimes whose governments now hate the US because of the corrupt regimes that the US supported there. Maybe your presentation should be how corrupt regimes supported by the US are prone to mass population poverty, popultation discontent, and ultimately anti-US behavior once those puppet regimes are overthrown.

      March 7, 2011 at 9:53 pm |
    • B(iraq) Hussein Osama

      >> Muslims invaded countries and attempted genocides in many places and oppressed women, children and infidels for 1,300 years. <<

      So did christians, africans ,mongols, chinese, incas for the same 1300 years.
      Should we assume the non-muslims killed TWENTY TIMES as many people as Muslims did for the past 1300 years
      WHY NOT? Why not take the statistics of the last 100 years and extrapolate them to the last 1300 years!

      March 7, 2011 at 9:54 pm |
    • B(iraq) Hussein Osama

      you want to travel back in time, lets rewind a couple of hundred more years!
      YOUR HISTORIANS tell us you killed another 13,000,000 (YES, not a typo, thats THIRTEEN MILLION) africans AFTER KIDNAPPING THEM from Southern Africa, all 20,000,000 of them and herding them like FARM ANIMALS to work as cattle on your farms.


      How did you little wimpy white folk, christian folk KIDNAP 20,000,000 big strong Africans? YOUR HISTORIANS tell us by supplying guns and brandy to corrupt fellow Africans!!! Guns and Brandy. "here buddy, heres some guns and bo oze, now go kidnap some of your cousins in exchange".


      March 7, 2011 at 10:08 pm |
    • Justina

      Biraq, societies without a firm structure got razed by superior Westerners because all societies were abusing their weaker members(women, minorities, disabled, etc) in them already. Structured societies got beaten up, too, but they adopted Western ways anyway, because Westerners got the best and sanest laws and systems with Judeo-Christian values. The West suffered two great wars for their pride and abuses in colonies. God punishes evil human civilizations, you know. You've been kept by Islam but it's really time everyone gets freedom of conscience and equality.

      March 7, 2011 at 11:14 pm |
    • Justina

      Biraq, also, the human population of always-around-200 million exploded into 7 billion only in the last 200 years thanks to the advancement in the Christian West.

      March 8, 2011 at 3:16 am |
    • Phaethor

      These numbers are not only flawed they fail to represent the entire picture about US Political and Military Influence in many of these countries that lead to the outcome you claim. Lets start at the Numbers. The US has more than 2% already and so does Canada. How many Muslims are recruiting gang members in these two countries.. Oh Yeah, 0. The only Muslims even talking to gang members are ones trying to get them out of gang violence, the same as any Christian ministry in North America. China? 1% really you are inept or stupid. Muslims in China are one of the largest in the World next to Indonesia, at almost 12% of their population. Yes that is over 130 Million Muslims in China alone. So Chinese Muslims are Car Bombing and trying to enact Sharia Law throughout China? You have obviously never been to China. Muslims in the UK are actively recruiting street gangs? Have you even been to England or Ireland? Do you have any idea what the BS you spout out? Most of the middle-eastern countries you list were invaded by the US or had some sort of political unrest caused by CIA and or Political Action within those countries. Lets look at some of the High Number countries? Morocco, UAE? There is State Run Ethnic Cleansing in Morocco or UAE? Again countries you have never been to. The Moroccan King is Loved by his people. Christians, Jews and Muslims all live in pretty much harmony there. I know from "Personal" experience. I have family in Morocco. I also had a brother-in-law who worked in UAE for many years and we were always travelling back and forth. No Ethnic Cleansing there either. It's a wonderful place to travel and visit and live if you can afford it. You'd probably have to sell your trailer, though to buy a ticket. Palestine and Gaza? Everyone in the world knows about the plight of the Palestinians and Gazans. People forced out of their own land, killed, persecuted and treated as foreigners in their own land for the past 60 years. Israel? Are there any Muslims in Politics in Israel? Nope, they have the strictest Ethnic Cleansing laws in the world, it almost a crime to be non Jewish in what used to be Arab land. Maybe the US should return the majority of the Americas to China, since the first peoples who lived there were originally Asiatics who migrated across the Bearing. And of course if you rise up against this turn over you will be labeled an Insurgent or a Terrorist. We call them Freedom Fighters of Frances' Underground from History because we won. And Victors always portray a different picture then the losers. It's funny Germans called them Insurgents and Terrorist. But that makes sense since we first started using that Term during GWB's regime. It's a known fact that his family supported the Nazis prior to and during WWII. That didn't stop American Christian Republicans from voting for him twice. But that makes sense too. They "Claim" equality and freedom but only as a show. Really they support Isolationism, Racism, Bigotry and Hatred from everything they don't comprehend or agree with. Otherwise why would the elect Nazi Loving, Hate and War Mongering Regimes that enact laws to monitor and spy on their own people, isolate themselves politically and nationally and promote violence against other religions? If your views of America are one of Isolationism, Hatred of Others, Intolerance of Religious Freedoms, then You are a not inline with the True American Ideals and you should move to Another country. I suggest The United Religious Wackos of Texas. You can even change the Capital to Waco. Just remember Keep your Oil Drilling calamities to your own decrepit coast, and fracking of land to make your drinking water un-potable and flammable should not effect other neighboring states. Make sure to build a wall around your country too. Only let Reich Wing Republicans in and really You can keep them, the rest of the world doesn't want them. In breed with yourselves, which really ins't much of a change. Really it's best for the world that you wipe yourselves from the planet.

      March 8, 2011 at 10:28 am |
    • Muneef


      Very well said,can feel it was coming from heart....so links that might support your above post;

      March 8, 2011 at 4:44 pm |
    • Muneef


      links that might support your above post;

      March 8, 2011 at 4:46 pm |
    • Muneef


      links that might support your above post;

      March 8, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
    • Muneef


      links that might support your above post;

      March 8, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
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