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Your Take: Is it the end of the world as we know it?
Some Christians believe Judgment Day is just around the corner. Their job is to warn the people.
March 8th, 2011
06:00 AM ET

Your Take: Is it the end of the world as we know it?

By Jessica Ravitz, CNN

Note to self: When writing about the End, expect no end of comments.

On Sunday we published “Road trip to the end of the world,” about a group that’s traveling by RV to spread a May 21 doomsday warning. You’ve posted about 10,000 comments on the story. And that doesn’t touch your responses to a sidebar, in which we took you on a historical journey called “Doomsdays throughout time.”

There’s no way to condense the opinions of all of you who expressed them, but here are some of the themes that seemed to emerge.

Doom and gloom has never been so fun

Plenty of you responded with humor, grateful for the news that will let you max out credit cards, avoid summer lawn mowing and forget about studying for final exams.

Some bemoaned the fact that plans you'd looked forward to would be canceled, like JohnDoee who said:

I just booked a vacation to Mexico starting May 21st. Wonder if my trip insurance covers end of the world.

Others invoked a certain headline-grabbing celeb, saying you’d put his antics to shame. Said GQPulbic:

If I knew with absolute certainly the world was ending in three months I would make Charlie Sheen look like a choir boy. Nothing would be off limits.

Still others decided to use the space as a virtual Craigslist of sorts, a venue to snag belongings that have been left behind. Wrote PL90210:

My wife and I are looking for a swingset for our daughter. If any of you have a swingset and feel your family has more important things to do between now and May 21st and wouldn't mind us having it, could you reply back and we can set something up?

No laughing matter

What you read also worried you. You expressed concerns about potential violence and mass suicide, and some even worried that these faithful RV travelers might be “terrorists.” Said Buddesatva:

These folks are mentally unbalanced. The kindest thing that we can do for them is get all of them into a program and I would stongly advise taking the children away. This thing smacks of a suicide cult. Whenever people start talking in superlatives and absolutes, you know that you have a psychosis in the works. The state needs to intervene now before people, specifically children end up getting hurt.

More than anything, those expressing such concern pointed to children who are not only being exposed to these teachings but are actually out there spreading the word, too. We introduced you to one young girl, Arianna, and learning about her got SpaceyG, who quoted part of the story, going:

Not harming innocent people in this, eh? 'It scares me a little bit because some people are going to die, and I think I'm one of them,' she adds. 'I'm trying to do good things, but I'm afraid I'm doing something bad.' Arianna is 7, after all, and being good all the time cannot be easy. Her father stands next to her, nodding his approval. Bless her frightened little heart. I hope she finds a good lawyer on May 22 to sue for punitive emotional damages.

To believe or not to believe

The story drew in many believers, though your beliefs differ, as well as those of you who dismiss religion altogether.

Summing up his (or her) anger was the aptly named AngryAtheist:

All religions are a disease. There's no way we can advance as a people when we all believe in gods that do absolutely nothing to prove an existence. You're taught from an early age when your parents forced you to go to church to learn fairy tales. Open your sheep minds… That fairy tale book called the bible was written by those in power to keep the power, to control the masses, and to gain wealth. There isn't a god, nor was there ever one.

But these sort of responses had plenty of faithful readers fighting back. Some voiced that you, too, believe the end is near, but unlike this group of travelers you refuse to nail down a date. Hundreds threw out scripture, reminding us that “No man will know the day or hour,” and that Jesus will return “like a thief in the night.” Said SBack89: 

Jesus actually states in the Bible, 'Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. But about the day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.' (Matthew 24:35-36). So as Christ says, He has not even been told by His Father in heaven as to when exactly the world will end. So this group of people are going directly against the Bible, the true word of God.

What’s next?

Countless readers wondered what these doomsday travelers will do when they wake up on May 22 and nothing has changed.

Chilcat: "I Reeeeealy hope CNN will do a story on the poor deluded folks on May 22nd." In a quick response, we heard from Wzrd1: "One can wish. But, given CNN's attention span, or lack thereof, they won't. : ( "

Oh, Wzrd1, ye of little faith ...

- CNN Writer/Producer

Filed under: Belief • Bible

soundoff (1,121 Responses)
  1. Trip

    The world is not going to end until the sun runs out of fuel and expands to consume the planet. Humans will be extinct by then.

    The idea that ancient literary tales will actually come true is ridiculous since it is not based on observations of reality.

    March 8, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
    • Harvey Wallbanger

      I never said humans would be around when the sun runs out of fuel. Chances are we will do ourselves in within the next couple of hundred years. Even if we are not here, the final doom of planet earth is, so to speak, written in the stars.

      March 8, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
  2. oneSTARman

    I FEEL FINE – I've come to understand that life on this Planet was a failed experiment. God's IDEA was for PLANTS to become sentient. They, however had a flaw – Cell Walls – this precluded the electro-chemical interaction required for sentience. Therefore – when the SPLIT came between PLANT and ANIMAL – BOTH were flawed. Because animal MUST live on DEATH – so is condemned to HELL>

    March 8, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
  3. ralph

    To the people here who really think there isa space god somewhere get a life.

    March 8, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
    • Chr31

      Unfortunately for you,Ralphie..you will have lots of company as your soul burns for eternity if you dont stop practicing aethism.Satan loves people like you to fill his count sheet..Hope you stock up on sunscreen and aloe vera for your "trip"!

      March 8, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
  4. Andy

    To each his own, but my concern is that we share the road with these idiots.

    March 8, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
  5. Harvey Wallbanger

    The world will end when the sun runs out of hydrogen fuel, swells into a red giant, and cinders this planet. Of course life will have been destroyed long before the final grand incineration.

    March 8, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
    • Frankly Speaking..

      Woah! thanks for the info, i thought there would be other ways (like maybe a humungous comet collision or maybe other prevalent planet sized impacts)..You have boiled it down to one now, and by the way you express sounds quite absolute

      March 8, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
    • Harvey Wallbanger

      @Frankly Speaking - All stars have a finite amount of fuel and eventually die. The sun has enough fuel to last maybe another five billion years, but will have heated up enough to destroy all life in about three.

      Of course humanity will wiped itself out long before then.

      March 8, 2011 at 2:55 pm |
  6. Ryan

    “In the earliest picoseconds of the universe, the fine tuning of things had to be so amazingly precise. If you consider just one variable of the many, the expansion-contraction ratio, it had to be so exact, that it would be like taking aim at a one-square-inch target at the other end of the universe, 20 billion light years away, and hitting it bulls-eye. And that is just one of the contingencies that had to be precisely so for the universe to come into existence.” -John Polkinghorne
    Intelligent Design? I don't even know what that means and I'm impressed. LOL
    I can't debate science, I don't know it. You win. Life and people though...I learn them more and more everyday. I pray you see that. What a waste otherwise. At least according to some thinking all we are is waste anyways. There's a bright side.

    March 8, 2011 at 11:40 am |
    • Harvey Wallbanger

      Consider this. If the multiverse concept is correct; there are a large, if not infinite, number of universes each with there own set of physical laws. We just happen to live in one where that bulls eye you speak of was hit. If it had not been, we would not be here to debate the issue.

      March 8, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
  7. Ryan

    Luke
    Based off of information presented by men that are theoretical. Just like the Bible, right? ;o) Nice job on the Jupiter thing.
    300 prophecies in the old testament predicted the Messiah, Yeshua (Jesus) fulfilled all of them.

    March 8, 2011 at 11:32 am |
    • Luke

      Ryan

      Nothing you just wrote is even close to be a coherent thought.

      March 8, 2011 at 11:49 am |
    • Magic

      Ryan,

      "300 prophecies in the old testament predicted the Messiah, Yeshua (Jesus) fulfilled all of them."

      Did he? Or did Jesus read the OT and do a few things that 'fulfilled' them... and did the first century evangelists, who also read the OT, add events to their stories to sew up the loose ends?

      March 8, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
    • sooofoolish

      @magic And how did he read about being born in Bethlehem from the womb?.........

      March 8, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • Magic

      sooofoolish

      "@magic And how did he read about being born in Bethlehem from the womb?"

      Was he born in Bethlehem? Let's look at who said that - Matthew & Luke... ahem.... readers of the OT.

      March 8, 2011 at 7:01 pm |
  8. Ryan

    lol suppressed not surprised

    March 8, 2011 at 11:21 am |
  9. Ryan

    Thanks Luke for the enlightening "theory"...it is theoretical, right? Or do you believe these things with ABSOLUTE certainty? I know this may read condescendingly but I don't mean any such tome to it. Honest questions.

    March 8, 2011 at 10:29 am |
    • Luke

      Why do you put theory in quotes? What I presented is fact. We know that there have been mass extinctions on earth because we see their fossils. We know that stars swell as their fuel runs out because we can see it with telescopes. And we know that massive objects have impacted the earth's crust – you can go look at the craters if you want. We have also seen massive objects hit other planets in the solar system via telescope; the most recent when we watched live on TV a comet hitting Jupiter Then I went on to make predictions based on evidence while admitting that an accurate picture of millions of years in the future is impossible. What's your question again?

      March 8, 2011 at 10:50 am |
    • CW

      @ Luke,

      By the way....once again this is man's interpretation based on the evidence he has....there is no proof beyond a resonable doubt.

      You have to have Faith to believe.

      March 8, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • SeanNJ

      @CW: I almost get upset reading your posts, and then I realize I should be thanking you instead. Anyone that reads your responses and is sitting on the fence of belief/disbelief is getting a good stiff push into the atheists' backyard.

      Thank you. You do our cause more good than your own.

      March 8, 2011 at 11:13 am |
    • JANA

      I know how you feel SeanNJ

      March 8, 2011 at 11:39 am |
  10. Doc Vestibule

    According to the Bible, any day now, the gates of hell will open and a swarm of poisonous locusts wearing tiny crowns and with the face of a man, the hair of a woman, the teeth of a lion and the tail of a scorpion will come to wreak terrible vengeance!
    Then there's the 7 headed, ten horned water spewing dragon that follows pregnant women around to eat their babies.
    The dragon has a minion that looks kind of like a leopard with bear feet and a lion's mouth that spews blasphemy.
    Seems a perfectly rational way for the world to end to me.

    March 8, 2011 at 10:24 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Doc Vestibule:

      Good thing I just put up that new pest strip.

      Cheers!

      March 8, 2011 at 10:33 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Doc Vestibule

      Much more believable than the our sun running out of fuel, or an asteroid. I don't know where Luke comes up with this stuff.

      You are right Ryan! Why should you read some dry old tome, when you can get all the science you need right there in the King Jimmy. OOps wait... a little bit of throw up just came up in the back of my throat.

      You are a joke dude!

      March 8, 2011 at 10:43 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Doc Vestibule

      Sorry. I forgot I was addressing you. My comment about being a joke was meant for Ryan. I have nothing but respect for your comments.

      Cheers!

      March 8, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • CW

      @ Doc,

      I know that the words wrote in Revelation are hard to read and understand. I know that it may make no sense to you but until that day comes and we see for ourselves the revelation story unfold before our very eyes that John wrote about that is what we have to believe based on Faith. So what your saying is that you would want to lean on your own understand of how things will be rather than believe in the one who created all things? Now how rational is that...I'm not trying to be harsh but have you really thought about that?

      March 8, 2011 at 10:47 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @CW
      I don't think that faith is a virtue. Belief in something despite the complete absence of evidence is intellectual apathy.
      There is equal evidence for any of the thousands of gods that have existed throughout history – meaning not one iota.
      But as for the Book of Revelations specifically, there has been great debate over it's authenticity, canonicity and authorship for almost two thousand years.
      Is it prophetic? Historical? A guide for how to remain faithful? A description of an esoteric spiritual battle? A threat to heathens to avoid conforming to greco-roman standards during the early Xtian era?
      Should it be interpreted literally, meaning we need to look out for insects with human faces and hair, or is it metaphorical?
      Maybe the Mayans are correct in their End Days propecies, or Nostradamus?

      March 8, 2011 at 11:26 am |
  11. Ryan

    "How" does it make a difference to you? Really? What about "when" or "why"? Are those irrelevant too?
    You have an opportunity to have a relationship with the most powerful being in the Universe (that He created) and you don't mind foresaking that? I'd hate to be wrong if i were you. I hate it that people find that silly. Why do we want more out of life? Why seek purpose, love, appreciation? When we're just material? I find that silly.

    March 8, 2011 at 10:03 am |
    • SeanNJ

      @Ryan: "What about "when" or "why"? Are those irrelevant too?"

      Why do you need a "why?" And why can't you be "just material?" Your need for a crutch...I mean "purpose"...to get through the day doesn't make the rest of us "silly."

      March 8, 2011 at 10:12 am |
    • CW

      @ Ryan,

      Amen Brother.

      March 8, 2011 at 10:13 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Ryan

      You said: "You have an opportunity to have a relationship with the most powerful being in the Universe (that He created)"

      I have an opportunity to have a relationship with Oprah? WoW!

      Do you have any evidence for this most powerful being? What sort of relationship can I have? Will he play ball with me? Play poker? Drink a beer? Go to the hooter bar? Hmm...

      A god isn't responsible for the formation of the universe, the best theory so far, is the Big Bang. No god needed.

      Cheers!

      March 8, 2011 at 10:31 am |
    • Luke

      Ryan

      *The most powerful being in the universe? I get to chill with Joe Pesci? Awesome dude! Line it up for me?

      March 8, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • CW

      @ David Johnson

      you say: "A god isn't responsible for the formation of the universe, the best theory so far, is the Big Bang. No god needed."

      I say: how do you know?...was it a big bang or a big fa-'rt? If I didn't have the faith to believe in God I would say a Big Big fa-'rt.

      March 8, 2011 at 10:49 am |
    • Luke

      CW

      Well ok. Here's what you do with your idea. You are going to have to get a degree from an accredited university in some field of science and then do master's work. Then you are going to have to do a PhD and write your big fart thesis. You are going to have to defend it against peers and professors. If you pass, you will have to write a full paper and have it peer reviewed. Then you'll have to publish. Then your big fart theory will have to be backed by evidence, be testable, measurable and predictable. Then you get an opinion. Cool?

      March 8, 2011 at 10:53 am |
    • Ykcyc

      @Ryan
      The only one you have a relationship with is yourself, by yourslf, in your head. You were programmed to believe in an idea and that is all it is. Because you were not born with it, but infected, if you were born in a different time or place, your delusion would have a diffrent flavor. Hell, you may have even been on a waiting list to hook up wth all those virgins upin heaven, without ay hardware to do anything about it. The magazine cover may be different, but the method of pleasuring yourself is the same.
      Peace.

      March 8, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
  12. Ryan

    Then how will it end?

    March 8, 2011 at 9:26 am |
    • Ykcyc

      The way it is supposed to. What difference will the "how" make?

      March 8, 2011 at 9:39 am |
    • CW

      @ Ykcyc,

      Because it does make a difference. You want to know what that difference is? It is whether you will spend eternity in Heaven or H-'ell.

      March 8, 2011 at 9:44 am |
    • SeanNJ

      @CW: Or Valhalla or Nirvana or Elysium or Hades or Chuck E Cheese...rubbish.

      March 8, 2011 at 10:15 am |
    • Ykcyc

      @CW
      Everyting goes back to were it came from, for an Eternity. Don't think you will make a difference by using your imagination or performing cheep tricks to achieve your goals of spendig eternity in paradise. You will not need those pearly gates, because there will not be anything that will have to pass them. There will not be eyes to see, not ears to hear. No taste, smell or fel with anything. Your mind that concucted this whole delusion will be gone, along with the delusion. You will do yourself a huge favor, if you save yourself from yourself.

      March 8, 2011 at 11:15 am |
    • Kevin, Virginia

      it will end for each person the day they die. the world will end once the earth in engulfed by the dying suns corna. this will happen in about 5 billion years. we have evidence for this, do you ahve evidence for your claims?

      March 8, 2011 at 5:30 pm |
  13. doctore0

    Everyday it's the end of the world as someone knows it.
    The biblical end, that will never happen; Obvious

    March 8, 2011 at 9:22 am |
    • CW

      @ Doctor,

      Yes...doctor how will things end? Love to hear this explaination.

      March 8, 2011 at 9:43 am |
    • Luke

      CW

      Well buddy ol pal, we don't really know and it all depends on what you mean by "how will it all end?" Do you mean for humanity, or life itself? We know concretely that another mass extinction will occurr in the future. It's a rule of evolution/astrophysics. The most common reasons for mass extinction are climate shift and/or massive objects hitting the earth. The most recent, of course, was the extinction of the dinosaurs, but mammals survived that which led to the rise of humans just 100K years ago. We are, technically speaking, due for another mass extinction. But when dealing with ranges in the millions of years, predicting when is impossible. We just know it will happen and humans are unlikely to survive. From a more macro level – our sun will expand as it runs out of fuel, eventually swallowing the earth and reaching out near the orbit of Jupiter. That will, in all cases, be the end of life on earth. That does not mean that advanced civilazations on earth will figure out how to survive. By then, we hopefully will have mastered interstellar travel. Because we're dealing with litterally millions and billions of years into the the future, prediction the end of life is impossible. We also have to take into account that we are not sure that life – as wel know it – does not exist elsewhere in the universe. MAthematically speaking, it is very likely. Reaching other life forms with our current technology is impossible. We'll need millions of years of technological advances to master that. I suggest reading "Physics of the Impossible" by Michio Kaku for further research on the topic. You'll learn a lot.

      March 8, 2011 at 9:56 am |
  14. Ryan

    Any of the atheistic theologians (cause that makes sense LOL)commenting, read the chapter (Matthew 24:) in it's full context? Do any understand prophecy? Any prophecy that quotes former prophecy? Or the concept of the revelation of God through scripture? None of it works without faith. Otherwise, it's just babble...after all words have no real meaning these days. LOL. Try faith for six months, six days, or six hours, can't hurt...right? Hope all of you see before it's too late. Keep searching. Take care. "See ya guys I'm off to debate with some belief that I fully disagree with and find completely idiotic. Boy, are they wasting their time." IRONY

    March 8, 2011 at 9:11 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Ryan

      Evangelicals engage in theological gymnastics to try to explain-away the seeming delay or postponement of Christs return.
      Spin it how you like, but it says what it says. It is what it is.

      Evangelical Rule of Thumb: If a bible verse furthers the cause, it is to be taken literally. If a bible verse is detrimental to the cause, it is either: taken out of context; is allegorical; refers to another verse somewhere else; is a translation or copyist's error; means something other than what it actually says; Is a mystery of god or not discernable by humans; or is just plain magic.

      March 8, 2011 at 9:46 am |
    • Kevin, Virginia

      you want us to read a fairy tale as evidence for your gods claims? you do understand that faith is believing without evidence. in other words believing because you want to.

      your reason for your beliefs are easily summed up as asinine. (i don't even need to know the reasons you beleive)

      March 8, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
  15. Amber

    I do believe that some day there will be an end....but not the way that the media seems to think. I believe that first the rapture will come, then the tribulation, and so on and so. I've never really been one to study much on the future and revelations because I know I won't be here....I'll be taken up at the rapture, but maybe I should study a bit on what exactly revelations says for things such as this. I do like the 'Left Behind' movies and they really made a some what good grasp on what will be happening, my dad also read the books and he loved them. In fact tons of people even came to know Christ after watching those movies, Praise the Lord! But we should never seek the actual knowledge about something until we've gone to the bible first before heading to the nearest christian book store.

    March 8, 2011 at 9:00 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Amber

      You said: "I've never really been one to study much on the future and revelations because I know I won't be here....I'll be taken up at the rapture..."

      No you won't. You are the victim of a misconception, and a hoax.

      The Rapture Belief are mentioned nowhere in the first seventeen hundred years of Christianity.
      It wasn't until the early part of the nineteenth century when John Nelson Darby, an ex-Anglican priest, began to heavily promote his idea of "dispensationalism3," which included the idea of a secret rapture. With the help of The Scofield Reference Bible translated by Darby follower C.I. Scofield, the "rapture belief" began to spread widely among various Protestant circles.
      Source: Questioning the "Left Behind" Rapture" by David Bristow. http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0144.html

      Cheers!

      March 8, 2011 at 9:31 am |
    • CW

      @ Amber,

      Don't listen to David Johnson because unfortunately he is a non-believer or Atheist. Just pray for him to get to know God before he does go to the grave. Hopefully none of us will be here during the Tribulation....it will truly be bad.

      March 8, 2011 at 9:39 am |
    • Luke

      CW

      I am going to rearrange your statement for for you in a way everyone can better understand:

      Don't listen to David Johnson because unfortunately he present facts and evidence to arguments that interfere with faith and the way I think things will happen. Just pray for him to get to know God before he does go to the grave because that will make me happy while subverting him. The only way I get my jollies is to make people feel beneath me. Hopefully none of us will be here during the Tribulation....it will truly be bad.

      March 8, 2011 at 9:47 am |
    • CW

      @ Luke,

      Okay I'll play here is your statement in a non-believers terms:

      Just pray for David Johnson to get to know God before he goes to the grave because right now...he is believing in Man's errored logic which as no absolute proof in anything but just "theories of the month" evidence. I have no true evidence other than what some other being studied which is based on someone else's study...i e Man errored logic. So since I don't have proof that God doesn't exist and I don't have the Faith to believe I will belittle believers b/c of my own ig-'nor-'ance.

      March 8, 2011 at 10:09 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Luke

      Dude! You need to try harder. You didn't make CW's hate list. LOL! I love the way Christian love works.

      Imagine the glee in believer's ignorant little hearts, as they pleasure themselves to thoughts of my eternal agony.

      Cheers!

      March 8, 2011 at 10:19 am |
    • Luke

      David Johnson

      Well, I will just have to try a little harder. I made CatholicMom's hate list recently, so might as well work on another. CW – you're hanging from my verbal dartboard now.

      March 8, 2011 at 10:43 am |
    • Luke

      CW – what "theory of the month" are you talking about? I'll refute it endlessly until you have no choice to either give in, or start ignoring me.

      March 8, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • CW

      @ Luke,

      Let me be more plain

      "theory of the month" = Any of man's attempts to explain away things....no absolute proof just speculation..based on errored study.

      now make sense?

      Also you don't get me upset....that is what all non-believers like to try to do..then say...Ha....your not a christian. Anyway hope you let God in your heart before its too late.

      March 8, 2011 at 10:54 am |
    • Evolved DNA

      Amber...the rapture ?.. no, no its the raptor,,, you will be eaten by a very large bird..slight misinterpretation I afraid.

      March 8, 2011 at 11:26 am |
    • Luke

      CW

      I'm Jewish, you holier than thou F&*k.

      March 8, 2011 at 11:46 am |
    • Luke

      CW –

      Regarding theory of the month nonsense. Absolutely nothing I have written is unsubstantiated. It's all information we've known for litterally decades. Care to try again shiat for brains?

      March 8, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
    • CW

      @ Luke,

      Ahhhh...do you feel better....now that the cu-'rse word came out?

      March 8, 2011 at 1:56 pm |
    • Luke

      CW

      No, I'm just foul mouthed all the time.

      March 8, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
    • Luke

      CW

      That being said – did you have anything to say in rebuttal to the conversation. Your argument is that what I said are "theories of the month" and I proved to you that they are factual datapoints we've known for decades. Did you have anyhting to add, or are you going to go the high school debate route and try attacking me rather than the topic?

      March 8, 2011 at 2:27 pm |
    • gomezbaby

      Amber,

      I have just begun to study Revelation. I have been a Christian for many, many years and love Jesus but have always put aside Revelation for its difficulty. James MacDonald has put out an EXCELLENT series on Revelation backed with scripture. I listen through podcast daily and only the last 5 sermons are available on iTunes but you can either download the Walk in the Word application to get them or go to his website, walk in the word . com . This will help you to understand about the future and the end times. Take Care...

      March 8, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
    • Amber

      I am a little disturbed that you people were having a silly fight on my note. I always try to be very careful as to what I say on here because I know that 1) I can't change anyone's thinking by a comment no matter how awesome it sounds and 2) I really don't want to come across in a negative way to some people. I don't like it when other Christians fight with nonbelievers because then they have not only lost their testimony with that person but they are not showing love and self control. Nonchristians, please stop attacking us, and Christians please stop being so defensive. I feel like a mom who just had to break up her children's fight.Give me a break, this is just CNN. It's a biased news station who just simply wants to know other people's opinions, not stir up fights. I wonder if anyone on here has ever started a fight with someone and then later found out that they are a friend or a relative...that would stink and the fighters would feel terrible or just end up hating each other over such silly little things.

      March 9, 2011 at 11:06 am |
  16. CW

    I see all the nay sayers have made it to the blogersphere. Man....I can't wait till the day that we will all stand before God and I will get to see all the faces of...just to name a few

    Reality
    David Johnson
    Peace2All
    Doc Vestibule
    NL
    LJ

    And these are just to name a few...I can imagine it now....There mouth's so wide open and eyes so big that they almost pop out of their heads. By the way...when their mouth's are wide open...I'm sure they will touch the ground as well.

    March 8, 2011 at 8:50 am |
    • LJ

      Your posts continue to show that you do not comprehend the true meaning of love and why you continue to push others away from God and Christ. Thanks for the laugh this morning. LOL!

      March 8, 2011 at 8:56 am |
    • David Johnson

      @CW

      Do you drool when you type?

      You are like Linus, waiting in the pumpkin patch for the Great Pumpkin. Year after year... you are always disappointed. That must really sting. LOL!

      Did you ever look up "The Great Disappointment"? It is a short story about people just like you. Fools, one and all.

      Jesus thought He was coming back in the 1st century. He didn't. He had a prior engagement – death.

      Cheers!

      March 8, 2011 at 9:14 am |
    • CW

      @ LJ and David Johnson,

      My point is this. You have a choice to believe that Jesus di-'ed for your sins..repent and follow him. If you don't then one day it will be too late.

      Since you can't prove that God doesn't exist...I can't prove that he does....there will be the day when every knee will bow and everyone will declare that he is Lord. Hope that your not one of the ones that wishes they had believed.

      March 8, 2011 at 9:19 am |
    • David Johnson

      @CW

      You said: "Since you can't prove that God doesn't exist...I can't prove that he does....there will be the day when every knee will bow and everyone will declare that he is Lord. "

      That isn't all together true, CW. Consider:

      No one can prove a negative. No one can prove absolutely that something does not exist. I cannot "prove" Santa does not exist. No one can.

      But in life, we decide by a preponderance of the evidence, whether something exists or not. We determine, that there is no real evidence for a thing.

      1 Corinthians 13:11
      When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
      When I was 5, I believed in magic and things unseen. When I was 7, I gave up childish notions.

      Childish beliefs should be abandoned by every adult, if they haven't done it earlier. Adults should be honest with themselves and look at the world, as it actually is.

      We reject Santa Claus, because we know that there are children who don't receive any toys for Christmas. Kids of rich parents receive more and better toys than the poor kids. Carrying all those toys and sliding down chimneys is not believable. Saying Santa is magic doesn't satisfy us.

      Santa doesn't fit in with how things really are. The jolly old elf, just isn't probable.

      God is like Santa. He is a fictional being. He doesn't fit in, with how things really are.

      Because believers want god to be real, they use selective observation, make excuses and hold onto expectations that are very,very unlikely:
      Jesus has been dead for 2000+ years. He hasn't returned, in spite of predicting a 1st Century 2nd Coming;

      All the born again believers will one day float up to heaven;

      When we die, our souls survive to be rewarded or punished. Like Santa, you will receive more or less gifts, depending on what the elf observes. So you better watch out. You better not pout... an invisible somebody is watching you all the time. LOL

      Bad things happen to good people. Bad people often live long lives in the sun.

      God is said to be all good, but there is so much suffering in the world.

      God did horrible things in the Old Testament. Reality, calls His "all good" attribute into question.

      Prayer does not work. Jesus made promises about prayer, that you can test. So test them! Ask for anything – A new car, world peace, that Jesus would appear to you... or, move a mountain.
      Jesus promised you could ask for anything and He would give it to you. With only a little faith, He said you could move a mountain.
      But, you know that is not true, in spite of what Jesus said.

      When people pray, they are talking to themselves. When god starts talking to them, we start to worry. We believe it is a sign of mental illness.

      There are no miracles. Miracles are just the product of coincidence and random chance. Or, deception and fraud.

      Science can find no use for god. All the gaps in man's knowledge, that are filled by god, are being filled by scientific discoveries.

      Evolution has dispelled the myth of creation. There is tons of evidence for Evolution. None for Creation.

      If Adam and Eve did not exist, then there could not have been original sin.
      If no original sin, then all the suffering humans and animals endure, could not be because of it.
      If no original sin, then there is no need for a redeemer.
      If no redeemer, then why is there Christianity?

      So, there is no more evidence that there is a god, than there is for there being a Santa.

      Your belief in god is based on faith. Faith in something does not make it true.
      Faith and belief can never be a subst_itute for evidence. Believing that it can, is a delusion. Faith without evidence is worthless.

      You don't believe in the ancient Greek gods do you? Of course you don't.

      But if you did, Zeus would spring to life. Your faith and belief is what powers the gods.

      Have faith and Aphrodite will answer your prayers – if she thinks it would be good for you and if it is her will – just like the Christian god. No difference!

      Once, the Greek gods were prayed to, loved and feared. Believers strived to know and to obey their wants. But now they lie silent, because no one believes...

      If all the gods, that have come before the current batch of gods, are classified as myths, what evidence do you have that the gods now in vogue should not also be in that column?

      No, little CW, there is no god.

      I claim there is no god, with the same confidence that I claim there is no Santa or Zeus, or Poseidon.

      If extraordinary evidence surfaces, that the goddess Athena exists, I will embrace her, 'cause she looks hot!

      Every adult should take this stand. God is just the Santa for adults. If belief were withdrawn, God would crumple to the ground, like a puppet whose strings were cut.

      Ask yourself these two things:
      If a one true god exists, why are there so many religions, with so many different gods? Wouldn't the one true god want everyone to know He exists? Wouldn't He be very obvious? But, He isn't obvious.

      If there was a god, Would He not have written/inspired a bible that is not confusing? A bible that everyone would interpret the same way? That, everyone who read it, would know His wants without question? Yet, the bible we have is ambiguous.

      An omnipotent and omniscient and omnibenevolent Christian god, can do anything, except exist. For, it is impossible for any god to be all 3 at the same time.

      I cannot prove that unicorns, satyrs, fiery serpents or talking snakes, do not exist. But, using critical thinking, I rule these things out. I conclude that the chances of them existing are very, very unlikely. Just like a god.

      Cheers!

      March 8, 2011 at 10:11 am |
    • NL

      CW-
      "..when their mouth's are wide open..."
      Dude, you've got to stop fantasizing about me and these other guys in this way. I think I speak for all of us when I say that we're not interested, OK? Take your Ted Haggard issues somewhere else. 😉

      March 8, 2011 at 10:33 am |
    • Evolved DNA

      I feel left out.. I missed the list.....does that mean that god loves unconditionally or are there conditions again.. and who decided to impose them...What if it is Thor who is up there CW ...Thor has a hammer and JC was nailed to a cross... coincidence?

      March 8, 2011 at 11:23 am |
    • Reality

      To CW and the other "believers": One more time,

      From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

      "Heaven is a Spirit state" as per JPII and Aquinas i.e. there can be no bodies. i.e. there was and never will be any physical resurrection/ascension of human bodies."

      And is it not ironical that JPII along with Aquinas are the ones who put meaning to the words "If Christ has not been raised, your faith is useless."

      March 8, 2011 at 12:23 pm |
    • noturavgidiot

      CW, I agree, totally – I like how most all atheists assume we only believe what we've been told since childhood and what we are indoctrinated with, when, in fact, for me, it was quite the opposite....and I'm sure there are 1000's of converts all over the world that can say the opposite. My LOGIC tells me we are NOT here by an random chance accident...that's a bigger crock to believe than what they call a book of fairy tales.....

      March 8, 2011 at 2:05 pm |
    • Luke

      So just to be sure, it's your logic that led you to where you are, not the evidence. Huge difference buddy. Got it.

      March 8, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
    • NL

      noturavgidiot-
      You know that thousands of converts amongst almost two billion Christians really doesn't help your argument much, but your logic about our all being here not by chance is actually right on one level. The mating choices of our parents had a lot to do with it, not to mention our ancestor's migratory choices and a host of other choices that all led to our being who we are, living where we do, and even our cultural ident.ities. So, complete chance, certainly not!

      March 8, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
    • Maybe

      CW,

      "I can't wait to see...There mouth's so wide open and eyes so big that they almost pop out of their heads."

      You, sir, are a hideous sadist... just like the "God" you hallucinate about.

      It looks like 'he' created you as a horrid, uneducated writer too.

      March 8, 2011 at 2:32 pm |
    • Chr31

      How right you are CW!!!!It disgusts me to read some of the comments fools have made.Every tongue shall confess,and every knee shall bow on that day.For those on that list you mentioned,what a horrible feeling it will be for them when Christ tells them depart from me,i never knew you!

      March 8, 2011 at 3:57 pm |
    • Chr31

      I feel bad for people like LJ and David Johnson.What a miserable existence they have .I will absolutely guarantee they will weep the day of his return,cursing themselves for what they have done.The sad thing is these creatures are no better than the mockers in the crowd who humiliated and laughed at my saviour on the day of his crucifixion.

      March 8, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • NL

      Chr31-
      Wouldn't the folks who jeered and rejoiced in public executions back in Jesus' time be the same folks who jeer and rejoice in the execution of convicts today? You know, good, conservative religious types?

      March 8, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
    • noturavgidiot

      @Luke and NL – "So just to be sure, it's your logic that led you to where you are, not the evidence. Huge difference buddy. Got it." ~actually, the evidence points to the logic, my dear. I was raised an atheist by my atheist father, not only that there is no God, but anyone who believes in one is a complete mindless idiot. Aren't we all atheists when we're born, according to you??? I have my reasons for believing just like you have yours for not. Just remember that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

      "You know that thousands of converts amongst almost two billion Christians really doesn't help your argument much, but your logic about our all being here not by chance is actually right on one level. The mating choices of our parents had a lot to do with it, not to mention our ancestor's migratory choices and a host of other choices that all led to our being who we are, living where we do, and even our cultural ident.ities. So, complete chance, certainly not!"

      I'm glad somebody has some sense, even if they don't believe in god, God or gods. ;o) the point of that about the 1000's (I was being generous for your own benefit) is that not everyone is an American born WASP, with Judeo-Christian family ethics/values.

      March 8, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • Kevin, Virginia

      the very fact that you are excited to see such a thing according to your beliefs is enough to condemn you to hell. so if it exists i will be excited to see you there

      March 8, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
    • NL

      noturavgidiot-
      "Just remember that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
      That's a fallacy, actually. Just look up "argument from ignorance" and see how this argument if flawed. You want to claim that you have a real god amongst the thousands of man-made ones that humans have invented throughout history then you gotta bring the proof. Nobody has to prove you false when the general rule has been established that people have invented gods and that 99.99% of these gods are almost universally recognized as being fictional creations. We just have to reject what you claim, or take it at face value (without supporting evidence. On 'faith', if you will.) and we all know that common sense tells us that taking things just at face value is an easy way to get cheated, right?

      March 9, 2011 at 12:25 am |
  17. Ykcyc

    How do you know, it will not end tomorrow at 3 or Friday at 4:32? Where is the guarantee you will be still here next week?
    Absolutely nothing can happend in this reality, unless it is happenig right now. Future does not exist.

    March 8, 2011 at 8:29 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Ykcyc

      How do you know, you won't choke on your morning cereal? Length of you life is a matter of genetics, environment, health care, and random chance.

      The good part is that you will leave loved ones to remember you. You won't know you are dead. You won't be sad. You will just cease to exist.

      Cheers!

      March 8, 2011 at 8:38 am |
    • Ykcyc

      @David Johnson
      Everything will cease to exist, David. The Sun will die. All will slip into oblivion.
      For all intents an purposes, our known Univers maybe just a single sell on a pimple of some alien's pet's ass.
      Where does that put us in a scheme of thing? Off course, we have to be chosen.
      So, watch that cereal carefully and don't forget to drink your Ovaltine.
      Cheers to you, as well.

      March 8, 2011 at 9:18 am |
    • Kevin, Virginia

      How can you be sure the future does not exsist? im not saying it is, but you say it with certainty and that means you have evidence to support your claim.

      March 8, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
    • Kevin, Virginia

      also how can they nail down a date? does this guy have a time and if he does is it EST or GMT or China time or what?

      March 8, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
    • Ykcyc

      @Kevin, Virginia
      I can be sure that the future does not exist, simply by observing. Anyone is capable, but not everyone is able to notice. There is always only now. Everything can that can happen, can only do it in this moment. Not yesterday, not tomorrow, only now. There is nothing else that is real. Everything else is only in the head and nowhere else. You see?

      March 9, 2011 at 9:14 am |
  18. IAmGraftedIn

    The Apocalypse is coming, which means the removing or lifting of the veil (why you do not understand the Bible nor believe in God or His Son); however the Bible states that there are a few things that must happen first. The biggest and most obvious is the Third Temple being built. The Jews have miraculously returned to and held Jerusalem, they have picked the location for the Third Temple, they have just about all of their ceremonial items made again, and are almost ready to their daily rituals, but, the first brick for the Third Temple has not been laid. Until that happens, yes the end is near, but it is not here yet.

    March 8, 2011 at 8:04 am |
    • NL

      Wouldn't they have to build the third temple where the Dome of the Rock currently is? Sorry, but I don't see that happening soon, and are you saying that modern Israelis are actually interested in reviving the old cult to YHWH, complete with animal sacrifice and burning? Is there anyone around, besides the Samaritans maybe, who actually thinks that God's still into the smell of burning flesh?

      March 8, 2011 at 8:28 am |
    • David Johnson

      @NL

      You asked: "Wouldn't they have to build the third temple where the Dome of the Rock currently is?"

      Yep, that's the prophecy. The Dome of the Rock was where Muhammad was said to have rose to Heaven on a winged horse. I think it unlikely you will hear bulldozers in the foreseeable future. LOL

      Cheers!

      March 8, 2011 at 8:34 am |
    • NL

      David Johnson-
      Some members of Gush Emunim supposedly plotted to blow it up, and our fundamentalist friends seem to churn out stories of Muslim extremists doing the same pretty regularly. Why on Earth Muslims would want to blow up their own third holiest site is beyond me, but we're talking about fundamentalists here, so we shouldn't expect anything they claim to have a logical foundation. Just keeping the doomsday dream alive, I suppose, or living vicariously through their enemies.

      Also, I wonder if winged horses were on the ark or did they just sort of fly above the flood?

      March 8, 2011 at 10:19 am |
    • Anita

      Here again taking things literally when they are meant figurativlly. It does not mean literal Jews but spiritual Jews. The literal Jews as a group (not individually) lost God's favor when they had his son killed. They were replaced by Christians (not like MOST of the ones you see in the world today but really, trully, Christian. There are some today who are just like thoes mentioned in the Bible.) and the kingdom of God is referred to as Heavenly Jerusalem.

      March 8, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
  19. Reality

    Mark 13:28-32 = Matt 24:32-36 = Luke 21:29-33

    Another view of these passages: As per Professor Gerd Ludemann in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 92,

    Mark 13: 30, "The saying reflects a delay over the events of the end. By contrast, Jesus expected the final arrival of the kingdom of god in the immediate future. So the saying is certainly inauthentic.

    [31], "The saying comes from the community and is inauthentic."

    [32], "The saying is inauthentic as it presupposes the divine sonship of Jesus."

    [34-36], Inauthentic based on redaction and tradition.

    March 8, 2011 at 7:57 am |
  20. HeavenSent

    Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

    Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    March 8, 2011 at 7:33 am |
    • David Johnson

      @HeavenSent

      That generation Jesus spoke of, did pass. Jesus was wrong. I heard He couldn't even make a really good chair...

      Cheers!

      March 8, 2011 at 8:31 am |
    • David Johnson

      I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” – Matthew 24:34

      This controversial verse is in all three of the Olivet Discourse accounts. (These accounts are to be found in Matthew 24:1-51, Mark 13:1-37, and Luke 21:5-33). For some time, critics of the Christian faith have argued that Jesus explicitly said here that all of the events prophesied in the Olivet Discourse, including His return, would happen before the last person living at that time died.

      Jesus promised, that He would return within that generation, but He did not. Since He was wrong, He could not have been God, so the Christian faith, is based on error. To bolster the argument, in all of the other places in the Gospels where Jesus used the term “this generation,” he was referring to people living at that time.

      These guys also feel Jesus was "mistaken" LOL!

      The respected Christian apologist and author, C.S. Lewis 1960 essay "The Worlds Last Night"
      “Say what you like,” we shall be told, “the apocalyptic beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be false. It is clear from the New Testament that they all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime. And worse still, they had a reason, and one which you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their delusion. He said in so many words, ‘this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.’ And he was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the end of the world than anyone else.”

      Bertrand Russell, in his book, 'Why I Am Not A Christian',
      He discredits the inspiration of the New Testament: "I am concerned with Christ as He appears in the Gospel narrative…He certainly thought that his second coming would occur in clouds of glory before the death of all the people who were living at the time. There are a great many texts that prove…He believed that his coming would happen during the lifetime of many then living. That was the belief of his earlier followers, and it was the basis of a good deal of his moral teaching." Russell later reasons that it would be fallacious to follow a religious leader (such as Jesus) who was mistaken on so basic a prediction as his parousia.

      parousia = second coming
      eschatology = •the branch of theology that is concerned with such final things as death and Last Judgment; Heaven and Hell; the ultimate destiny of humankind

      Albert Schweitzer in his 19-century book, 'The Quest of the Historical Jesus', summarized the problem of "Parousia delay" as follows: "The whole history of Christianity down to the present day... is based on the delay of the Parousia, the nonoccurrence of the Parousia, the abandonment of eschatology, the process and completion of the 'de-eschatologizing' of religion which has been connected therewith."

      Your religion has more holes, than a slice of Swiss cheese.

      Cheers!

      March 8, 2011 at 8:43 am |
    • Moe Smith

      'So this group of people are going directly against the Bible, the true word of God"

      The Bible states women are Chattel... property. THE TRUE WORD OF GOD SAYS WOMEN ARE PROPERTY. now all you women need to get your butts off the computer and back in the kitchen! you are not servicing your man, your OWNER in any way, shape or form by blathering online about nonsense and stupidity.

      that is... of course... if you believe the Bible is the "true word of God"... when of course it's actually just an amalgamation of countless works of more people with selfish agendas rivaling that of the Bush family's oil interests.

      March 8, 2011 at 1:56 pm |
    • Frankly Speaking..

      @ David Johnson

      "These guys also feel Jesus was "mistaken" LOL!"

      Isnt it amazing ? IT doesnt end there though, add to it that these guys feel god needs water, food, shelter and air to survive.. that god was not all-knowing, all-powerful..that he prayed to the form of himself who is also is father..

      What part of this makes any sense ? I am not denying god but clearly jesus isnt it! he was human he never claimed he was god, wake up people!

      March 8, 2011 at 1:56 pm |
    • Victor

      That is right, and so it is this. Ezekiel 33: 3-4 3 "If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; 4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head".

      March 8, 2011 at 3:12 pm |
    • Ward86

      Okay, so, we're all born into sin, and I don't know anyone that lives their life to the letter of the Bible. If God destroys the Earth, and all the people on it, then who would be left to carry "The Word"? No one. If the people die, so does the word. If the word dies, then so does belief in God. If there is no one to believe, would He still exist?

      March 8, 2011 at 4:35 pm |
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