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Curious - and civil - visitors wait in line for radicalization hearing
Members of the public and the media watch the radicalization hearings on a TV in an overflow room
March 10th, 2011
04:41 PM ET

Curious - and civil - visitors wait in line for radicalization hearing

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

"You have to wait in line sir," a staff member from the House Homeland Security Committee politely told a man as he tried to walk into Cannon Room 311.

She directed him to the back of a long line outside the hearing room for the committee's hearing on "The Extent of Radicalization in the American Muslim Community and that Community's Response." The 120 seats in the gallery of the hearing room at the Cannon House Office Building were full and had been all morning.

Muslims and Christians mingled politely as people from across the country patiently waited for their chance to go inside.

Two interns from Utah shared a pair of headphones and listened to the hearings on the C-SPAN I-Phone app while they waited to get in, long after the hearing had begun.

A large group of young adults from the City Church of San Diego said they were in town on a mission trip. "It's important for us to catch a vision of what our government does," Veronica Cornetta said.

They said they hadn't formed an opinion about the hearings.

"We want to try to understand both sides and just pray for them," Brenna Levy said.

"As a Muslim American, I think this is an issue we all need to work together on," Jihad Saleh Williams said as he waited in line.

As a high school student growing up in Los Angeles in the 1980s, Williams converted to Islam, saying he was influenced by hip-hop and the movie "Malcolm X," like many young men his age.

"I'm dating myself when I say that," he said.

Today he practices orthodox Islam and is the government affairs representative for Islamic Relief, a humanitarian group based in Alexandria, Virginia. He said he was worried the hearing would be divisive.

"What is important is to show is how engaged we are in communities, especially in areas like humanitarian aid," he said. "If people are involved and invested in their community, they're more inclined to report nefarious activity when they see it."

"Salam alhakim," a man from the Malaysian ambassador's office greeted Williams with the traditional Muslim salutation.

For Williams the brief exchange was ans example of how diverse the Muslim community in the U.S. is drawing people from all different ethnic backgrounds.

Just look at the line, he said. "There are African-Americans, Southeast Asians, Arabic." Regardless of the way they practice Islam, Williams said, now more than ever, they need to be united.

"Sunni, Shia, Sufi - the community can come together over this," he said.

At the end of the line stood the Rev. Franklin Raddish, wearing a gray suit, white shirt and American flag tie. He and his wife, Pamela, were in town from Greenville, South Carolina.

He said they run a weekly Bible study on Capitol Hill, driving back and forth from their home each week, racking up between 50,000 and 60,000 miles a year. They were there to support House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Peter King, R-New York.

"I believe there's a radicalization of Muslims in the U.S.," he said. "I think their ultimate goal is to raise the Islamic flag over the White House, figuratively."

"You cannot appease evil; it has to be defeated," he said. His wife nodded in agreement.

That point of view was in the minority among those in line. But even in their disagreement, they all remained polite, and waited.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Culture wars • DC • Islam • Muslim • United States

soundoff (46 Responses)
  1. Muneef

    An-Nisa sura 04:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    Then because of their breaking of their covenant, and their disbelieving in the revelations of Allah, and their slaying of the prophets wrongfully, and their saying: Our hearts are hardened – Nay, but Allah set a seal upon them for their disbelief, so that they believe not save a few – (155) And because of their disbelief and of their speaking against Mary a tremendous calumny; (156) And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger – they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. (157) But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. (158).

    March 14, 2011 at 6:22 am |
  2. LoneZero

    America needs no such thing since America doesn't judge on your beliefs alone, it protects and treats every equally, that's what makes us the best we a collection of beliefs and ideas that continue to push forward, we are not a theocracy, we have prosperity, rights, and freedoms wither we acknowledge your creator or not.

    March 14, 2011 at 4:14 am |
  3. T-party

    We need to reindustrial America,place high tariffs on imports,lower taxes,secure all the boarders, a once again prosperous America can exist even with religious fanatics if we do the right thing.

    March 13, 2011 at 10:27 pm |
    • Frederica

      America needs nation-wide repentance, nothing else, just like the rest of the world. No prosperity for perverse creatures who don't acknowledge the Creator.

      March 13, 2011 at 11:54 pm |
  4. LoneZero

    The problem is "radicalization" in religion perioid.

    March 13, 2011 at 10:26 pm |
  5. proud infidel

    The problem is not "radicalization", the problem is Islam, period.

    March 13, 2011 at 9:20 pm |
  6. Muneef

    Among those above of idolators,pagans and non believers of God....what can you expect the followers of Islam of the Quran would be treated by the majority ?

    March 13, 2011 at 8:34 pm |
  7. Muneef

    Do you know why exactly Muslims are hated for? It is for Reading & Reciting the Quran & follow its Religion of Islam which should have to take in to faith & Belief in the words of the following verses;    

    Al-Baqara sura 02:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    And they say: Allah hath taken unto Himself a son. Be He glorified! Nay, but whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth is His. All are subservient unto Him. (116) The Originator of the heavens and the earth! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is. (117) And those who have no knowledge say: Why doth not Allah speak unto us, or some sign come unto us? Even thus, as they now speak, spake those (who were) before them. Their hearts are all alike. We have made clear the revelations for people who are sure. (118) Lo! We have sent thee (O Muhammad) with the truth, a bringer of glad tidings and a warner. And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire. (119) And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah (Himself) is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper. (120) Those unto whom We have given the Scripture, who read it with the right reading, those believe in it. And whoso disbelieveth in it, those are they who are the losers. (121) O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I favoured you and how I preferred you to (all) creatures. (122) And guard (yourselves) against a day when no soul will in aught avail another, nor will compensation be accepted from it, nor will intercession be of use to it; nor will they be helped. (123).

    An-Nisa sura 04:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    O mankind! The messenger hath come unto you with the Truth from your Lord. Therefor believe; (it is) better for you. But if ye disbelieve, still, lo! unto Allah belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth. Allah is ever Knower, Wise. (170) O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" – Cease! (it is) better for you! – Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender. (171).

    Al-Maeda sura 05:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers. (72) They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve. (73) Will they not rather turn unto Allah and seek forgiveness of Him? For Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (74) The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how We make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned away! (75) Say: Serve ye in place of Allah that which possesseth for you neither hurt nor use? Allah it is Who is the Hearer, the Knower. (76) Say: O People of the Scripture! Stress not in your religion other than the truth, and follow not the vain desires of folk who erred of old and led many astray, and erred from a plain road. (77).

    Al-Tawba sura 09:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger nor, acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. (29) The Jews call Uzayr a son of Allah and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths; (in this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! (30) They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; Yet they were commanded to worship but one Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to him: (far is He) from having the parents they associate (with him). (31) Fain would they extinguish Allah's light with their mouths but Allah will not allow but that His light should be perfected, even though the unbelievers may detest (it). (32) It is He who hath sent His Messenger with Guidance and Religion of Truth to proclaim it over all religion, even though the pagans may detest (it). (33).

    Yunus sura 10:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    And thou (Muhammad) art not occupied with any business and thou recitest not a Lecture from this (Scripture), and ye (mankind) perform no act, but We are Witness of you when ye are engaged therein. And not an atom's weight in the earth or in the sky escapeth your Lord, nor what is less than that or greater than that, but it is (written) in a clear Book. (61) Lo! verily the friends of Allah are (those) on whom fear (cometh) not, nor do they grieve? (62) Those who believe and keep their duty (to Allah). (63) Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter – There is no changing the Words of Allah – that is the Supreme Triumph. (64) And let not their speech grieve thee (O Muhammad). Lo! power belongeth wholly to Allah. He is the Hearer, the Knower. (65) Beware ! To Allah belongeth whosoever is in the heavens and whosoever is in the earth Those who follow aught instead of Allah follow not (His) partners. They follow only a conjecture, and they do but guess. (66) He it is Who hath appointed for you the night that ye should rest therein and the day giving sight. Lo! herein verily are portents for a folk that heed. (67) They say: Allah hath taken (unto Him) a son – Glorified be He! He hath no needs! His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. Ye have no warrant for this. Tell ye concerning Allah that which ye know not? (68) Say: Verily those who invent a lie concerning Allah will not succeed. (69) This world's portion (will be theirs), then unto Us is their return. Then We make them taste a dreadful doom because they used to disbelieve. (70).

    Al-Isra sura 17:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    Say (unto mankind): Cry unto Allah, or cry unto the Beneficent, unto whichsoever ye cry (it is the same). His are the most beautiful names. And thou (Muhammad), be not loud-voiced in thy worship nor yet silent therein, but follow a way between. (110) And say: Praise be to Allah, Who hath not taken unto Himself a son, and Who hath no partner in the Sovereignty, nor hath He any protecting friend through dependence. And magnify Him with all magnificence. (111).

    Al-Kahf sura 18:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    Praise be to Allah Who hath revealed the Scripture unto His slave, and hath not placed therein any crookedness, (1) (But hath made it) straight, to give warning of stern punishment from Him, and to bring unto the believers who do good works the news that theirs will be a fair reward, (2) Wherein they will abide for ever; (3) And to warn those who say: Allah hath chosen a son, (4) (A thing) whereof they have no knowledge, nor (had) their fathers, Dreadful is the word that cometh out of their mouths. They speak naught but a lie. (5) Yet it may be, if they believe not in this statement, that thou (Muhammad) wilt torment thy soul with grief over their footsteps. (6) Lo! We have placed all that is in the earth as an ornament thereof that We may try them: which of them is best in conduct. (7) And lo! We shall make all that is therein a barren mound. (8).

    Maryam sura 19:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    And they say: The Beneficent hath taken unto Himself a son. (88) Assuredly ye utter a disastrous thing (89) Whereby almost the heavens are torn, and the earth is split asunder and the mountains fall in ruins, (90) That ye ascribe unto the Beneficent a son, (91) When it is not meet for (the Majesty of) the Beneficent that He should choose a son. (92) There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh unto the Beneficent as a slave. (93) Verily He knoweth them and numbereth them with (right) numbering. (94) And each one of them will come unto Him on the Day of Resurrection, alone. (95) Lo! those who believe and do good works, the Beneficent will appoint for them love. (96) And We make (this Scripture) easy in thy tongue, (O Muhammad) only that thou mayst bear good tidings therewith unto those who ward off (evil), and warn therewith the froward folk. (97) And how many a generation before them have We destroyed! Canst thou (Muhammad) see a single man of them, or hear from them the slightest sound? (98).

    Al-Anbiya sura 21:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    We created not the heaven and the earth and all that is between them in play. (16) If We had wished to find a pastime, We could have found it in Our presence – if We ever did. (17) Nay, but We hurl the true against the false, and it doth break its head and lo! it vanisheth. And yours will be woe for that which ye ascribe (unto Him). (18) Unto Him belongeth whosoever is in the heavens and the earth. And those who dwell in His presence are not too proud to worship Him, nor do they weary; (19) They glorify (Him) night and day; they flag not. (20) Or have they chosen Gods from the earth who raise the dead? (21) If there were therein Gods beside Allah, then verily both (the heavens and the earth) had been disordered. Glorified be Allah, the Lord of the Throne, from all that they ascribe (unto Him). (22) He will not be questioned as to that which He doeth, but they will be questioned. (23) Or have they chosen other gods beside Him? say: Bring your proof (of their godhead). This is the Reminder of those with me and those before me, but most of them know not the Truth and so they are averse. (24) And We sent no messenger before thee but We inspired him, (saying): There is no God save Me (Allah), so worship Me. (25) And they say: The Beneficent hath taken unto Himself a son. Be He glorified! Nay, but (those whom they call sons) are honoured slaves; (26) They speak not until He hath spoken, and they act by His command. (27) He knoweth what is before them and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede except for him whom He accepteth, and they quake for awe of Him. (28).

    Al-Furqan sura 25: 
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    Blessed is He Who hath revealed unto His slave the Criterion (of right and wrong), that he may be a warner to the people. (1) He unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, He hath chosen no son nor hath He any partner in the Sovereignty. He hath created everything and hath meted out for it a measure. (2) Yet they choose beside Him other gods who create naught but are themselves created, and possess not hurt nor profit for themselves, and possess not death nor life, nor power to raise the dead. (3) Those who disbelieve say: This is naught but a lie that he hath invented, and other folk have helped him with it, so that they have produced a slander and a lie. (4) And they say: Fables of the men of old which he hath had written down so that they are dictated to him morn and evening. (5) Say (unto them, O Muhammad): He who knoweth the secret of the heavens and the earth hath revealed it. Lo! He ever is Forgiving, Merciful. (6).

    As-Saaffat 37:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    Now ask them (O Muhammad): Hath thy Lord daughters whereas they have sons? (149) Or created We the angels females while they were present? (150) Lo! it is of their falsehood that they say: (151) Allah hath begotten. Allah! verily they tell a lie. (152) (And again of their falsehood): He hath preferred daughters to sons. (153) What aileth you? How judge ye? (154) Will ye not then reflect? (155) Or have ye a clear warrant? (156) Then produce your writ, if ye are truthful. (157) And they imagine kinship between him and the jinn, whereas the jinn know well that they will be brought before (Him). (158) Glorified be Allah from that which they attribute (unto Him), (159).

    Az-Zumar sura 39:
    n the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    If Allah had willed to choose a son, He could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created. Be He glorified! He is Allah, the One, the Absolute. (4).

    Al-Jinn sura 72:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    Say (O Muhammad): It is revealed unto me that a company of the Jinn gave ear, and they said: Lo! we have heard a marvellous Qur'an, (1) Which guideth unto righteousness, so we believe in it and we ascribe unto our Lord no partner. (2) And (we believe) that He – exalted be the glory of our Lord! – hath taken neither wife nor son, (3) And that the foolish one among us used to speak concerning Allah an atrocious lie. (4) And lo! we had supposed that humankind and jinn would not speak a lie concerning Allah – (5).

    March 13, 2011 at 8:23 pm |
    • proud infidel

      A used care salesman will only tell you about the fner qualities of the car you look at.

      March 13, 2011 at 9:24 pm |
  8. b4bigbang

    @Justina, why argue with fools? Don't cast pearls before swine or throw the holy to the dogs Matt 7:6

    March 13, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
    • LoneZero

      sorry wrong again Justina If you actually know our American history our founder fathers weren't christian (deists really) nor used any Christianity framework our consti-tution has no words or scriptures from the bible and they were men who believed all religion should be worshiped freely and not one over the other, Benjamin Rush, who was so Christian he wanted a Bible in every school, actually said "I would rather see the opinions of Confucius or Mohammad "inculcated upon our youth" than see them grow deprived "of a system of religious principles." Sorry to disappoint you but this land is for all religion equally there is no one above the rest.

      "Without Christianity, your ancestors were nature-worshipping, human sacrificing barbarians without functioning intelligence or conscience"

      you mean Pagan? That Christianity converted and adopted all there scary stuff like Christmas and Easter? To make them convert easier? sounds like your mixing statements as facts to justify your superiority complex

      oh one more fact

      the Treaty of Tripoli in 1797. It was in this agreement that the U.S. declared: "The government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Mussulmen [Moslems]."

      March 13, 2011 at 4:38 pm |
  9. LoneZero

    It was all possible because of sane mutliple heritages of the melting pot that is my country (United States), there is no single great heritage in this country and never will be, but always have been collection of great from all heritages and beliefs working together for the common good for our society, hopefully you'll see that one day and get off your high horse.

    March 12, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
    • Justina

      No, it wasn't possible without the frame work of Christianity. Without Christianity, your ancestors were nature-worshipping, human sacrificing barbarians without functioning intelligence or conscience. Russians or Chinese would have gotten the American continents first.

      March 13, 2011 at 5:53 am |
    • Justina

      Lone-, your de-christianized society will never become better, guaranteed. Do your best not to lose your land.

      March 13, 2011 at 6:00 am |
    • Magic

      Justina,

      How about if you take care of your own back yard first?

      On second thought, how about if you take care of your own angry personality first? Ask for help from a real live person, your current fantasy consultant is not being effective.

      March 13, 2011 at 6:08 am |
    • Justina

      Magic, other countries were helped by USA and are trying to excel her whereas her quality is deteriorating by her immorality. Shame on you. The world needed the upright USA much longer.

      March 14, 2011 at 12:06 am |
    • Opie

      Justina, I don't know what history you've been reading but the FALL of the Roman Empire is generally well correlated to the adoption of an invasive Semitic religion we call Christianity. It set back our civilization centuries and you believe that somehow this improved our lot?

      We didn't develop democracy or pluralism from Christianity, we got that from Hellenic society far more advanced and ancient.

      March 14, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
  10. LoneZero

    Wow, I am Agnostic and I am no parent-basher, infact I respect and admire my parents who gave it all to make sure I had food, clothing, shelter, and above all else education not by Christianity alone, but by a diverse range of teachers of all ages, experiences and most importantly diffrent beliefs, my parents sat me down and explained the rights from wrong, morals, treating people with respect and diginity out of the kidness of ones own heart and understanding for all people no matter what they believe in diffrent from you or not, they did this without a bible in their hand. They allowed me to make own choices on what I would believe in and not once ever forced me to follow their own. Parent-basher? Hardly, I'd give willingly to help anyone, family, friend, or stranger, not because a book tells me so but cause it's the right thing to do. You seriously need a reality check.

    March 11, 2011 at 10:54 pm |
    • Justina

      Lone-, it was all impossible without the sane Judeo-Christian heritage in your country.

      March 12, 2011 at 3:17 am |
    • Justina

      Lone-, why aren't you thankful to God who gave you parents and teachers? Immoral failure as a creature. Secular Westerners should know this fact.

      March 13, 2011 at 5:58 am |
  11. walter

    hey justina

    i think your point of view on agnostics is really re-tarded. i think you need a reality check bad. no honor or justice. wow what are you on?! its rediculous to think that because your christian that you better or need to save people. i think you have no idea of what honor or justice is. please dont throw words around when you dont truly know what they mean. troll!!!

    March 11, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
    • Justina

      Walter, I used to have no opinion on atheists or agnostics in the West until I found your writings on places like CNN posts. Actually I think you guys are plain evil, uneducated, conscience-less beings. You Westerners were nurtured, protected, educated and blessed by Christianity alone for 2,000 years. You guys are parent-bashers and conscience-bashers. And having to see your absurd trashy opinions now... it's a nightmare to imagine what you are teaching your kids.

      March 11, 2011 at 9:02 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Walter..Justina has had years of being suppressed by the catholic system, and appears she is a product of that .If you have a lifetime of being told that you sin, you are no good and will go to hell it is hard on a mind . Most religions have to dislike other groups as it helps to form a cohesive bond and as-sists to rally the troops in times of crisis.. most cults do the same thing.. they say that any thing out side is evil and they are the only true way..no difference in this case. Justina has to do some deprogramming as she gets older, and until then we will see posts like the one she made. I am atheist am nothing like Justina describes and deep down in side she knows it..

      March 13, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
    • Justina

      EvolvedDNA, I'm Protestant. I concluded that Christianity is the most logical, intelligenl, good and practical belief system and a worldview with the plentiest evidences in all fields, though you need the Holy Spirit to work in you in order to believe in Jesus.

      March 14, 2011 at 12:03 am |
  12. Muneef

    http://www.bilalphilips.com/bilal_pages.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=290

    March 11, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
  13. Reality

    Instead of any future hearings on the radicalization of Abrahamic religions:

    There never was and never will be any angels i.e. no Gabriel, no Islam

    There was and never will be any bodily resurrections i.e. No Easter, no Christianity

    Abraham and Moses never existed.

    Added details upon request.

    And then there is this for the crybaby politicians and clerics:

    Recognizing the flaws, follies and frauds in the foundations of Islam, Judaism and Christianity by the "bowers", kneelers" and "pew peasants" will converge these religions into some simple rules of life. No koran, bible, clerics, nuns, monks, imams, evangelicals, ayatollahs, rabbis, professors of religion or priests needed or desired.

    Ditto for houses of "worthless worship" aka mosques, churches, basilicas, cathedrals, temples or synagogues

    March 10, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
    • Muneef

      Al-Baqara sura 02:
      And who doth greater wrong than he who forbiddeth the approach to the sanctuaries of Allah lest His name should be mentioned therein, and striveth for their ruin. As for such, it was never meant that they should enter them except in fear. Theirs in the world is ignominy and theirs in the Hereafter is an awful doom. (114) Unto Allah belong the East and the West, and whithersoever ye turn, there is Allah's Countenance. Lo! Allah is All-Embracing, All-Knowing. (115).

      Al-Tawba sura 09:
      It is not for the idolaters to tend Allah's sanctuaries, bearing witness against themselves of disbelief. As for such, their works are vain and in the Fire they will abide. (17) He only shall tend Allah's sanctuaries who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor-due and feareth none save Allah. For such (only) is it possible that they can be of the rightly guided. (18).

      Al-Noor sura 24:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      They worship in houses which Allah has bidden to be exalted and His name to be remembered therein; they hallow Him therein in mornings and evenings- (36) Men whom neither trafficking nor bargaining diverteth from the remembrance of Allah and the establishment of the prayer and the giving of the poor-rate, fearing a Day whereon upset will be the hearts and sights. (37) That Allah may recompense them the best for that which they worked and may increase unto them of His grace, and Allah provideth for whomsoever He will without measure. (38) And those who disbelieve–their works are like a mirage in a desert which the thirsty deemeth to be water, until when he cometh thereto he findeth not aught, and findeth Allahs with himself, and He payeth him his account in full; and Allah is swift at reckoning. (39) Or, like the darknesses in a sea deep; there covereth it a wave from above it, a wave from above it, above which is a cloud: darknesses one above anot her: when he putteth out his hand well-nigh he seeth it not. And upto whomsoever Allah shall not appoint a light, his shall be no light. (40).

      March 11, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
  14. SirDigbyChickenCesar

    If anyone needs me, I'll be over here....

    March 10, 2011 at 10:49 pm |
  15. T-party

    as an agnostic I am always civil and quite curious as to why all religions tend to have "radical" aspects

    March 10, 2011 at 10:17 pm |
    • Justina

      Agnostics are cowards. They always calculate and live only for their own stomach. No sacrifice, no honor, no justice. Just acting self-smart but no working brain or conscience. And it's ALWAYS Christians who had to rescue them from troubles.

      March 11, 2011 at 3:49 am |
    • Ikkstans

      The mind of religions is exclusiveness, at least Fundamentalist religion. I stretch that out across all religions in which many members of it do believe that it is the only way: and when I say that I mean that their belief ALONE is the ONLY true one. To further explain:
      I am a Christian, I am also a liberal and do not believe in eternal punishment. This is unheard of in my community (until Rob Bell, but you see what he's getting for such a view.) The vocal community tends to be the more fundamental because what their message is extremely harsh, narrow and they believe it is the only only only only way.

      It is very narrow, dangerous, and evil by my opinion to hold such a view. Because of that state of mind many religious folk try to push the religion on government because they believe that in some way Theocracy is a good idea (which it may be the dumbest idea ever). Because based on the religious doctrine which rules this person's decisions there can be NO arguing with what's better or good for a general public because if per se the Bible is true and its "rules" are the "best" or "good" then everyone MUST follow by them to have a working civilization. Do I agree with this notion, with my entire being I would stand up on any picket line saying NO NO NO NO NO NO!.

      Religious radicalism, at least in Christianity (as I have seen it and in my dark past was a part of) is viewed as love. That is the disgusting bit. For me to "share my faith" with you via pickets, or LAW even is a sign of love that I want you to follow Jesus and that he loves you.

      I love my faith and I am all for Jesus but doing such things is the most ridiculous thing ever and I have more in common with atheists than I do with most Christians in terms of civil rights, advocacy, etc etc etc. So i can completely understand your frustrations.

      March 11, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
  16. Gil T

    Hearings and committee is what Washington whether or not these produce a result or find the problem. They're on the clock.
    Law enforcement at state and federal levels do intelligence. The best operations work together with some of the same ethnic, religious, political as the targets of their intelligence. They rely as well on others who may not have the same ethnic, religious, etc, but who know and are not afraid to live out their American citizen duty. This without committees.

    March 10, 2011 at 9:21 pm |
  17. Muneef

    Yin Yang.
    Chinese eats cats, dogs and dead born infants as source of protein ....is that what are you trying to say?

    March 10, 2011 at 9:19 pm |
    • YinYang

      @Muneef

      Can you prove and support your statement that all Chinese eat dogs, cats and unborn infant. If that was true maybe Muslim Chinese eat dogs, cats and unborn infant too. lol. Nevertheless I sure can prove to you majority of World's Muslim support Sharia because it has been shown in various polls.

      March 12, 2011 at 6:28 pm |
  18. YinYang

    '"Salam alhakim," a man from the Malaysian ambassador's office greeted Williams with the traditional Muslim salutation.'

    Malaysian pols used to brag that Malaysia is a Moderate Muslim nation with democracy (Islamic Democracy) where the state religion is Islam and where Islam is an official state religion, there's Sharia Law being impose in each state of Malaysia and where there's Sharia law, there's restriction on freedom of expression where they called it blasphemy law. Sharia offense of apostasy exists at the state level in Malaysia. People accused and convicted of apostasy are required to repent, and even if they do so, they can be sentenced to imprisonment for up to five years, depending on which state they live in. In Kelantan and Terengganu, those who refuse to repent for apostasy can be sentenced to death. Non-Sunni Muslims also face persecution for their “deviant” beliefs,

    In addition, non-muslim chinese and indian does not have special economic priviledge and education like Malay-Muslim. The new economic policy benefits Malay Muslims than they benefit minorities (non-muslim chinese and indians).
    Just because we're not obligated to follow Islamic law does not mean is fair since muslim can proselyte non-muslim while non-muslim can't proselyte muslim.

    They called it moderate Muslim nation. Once start imposing medieval religious like Sharia, Malaysia is not in the moderate list.

    March 10, 2011 at 8:40 pm |
    • Opie

      yinYang, Perhaps the Muslims did it in accordance with Exodus 32:27-28?

      "And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, [and] go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
      And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men."

      Gosh, killed for apostasy? Because they placed deities before God? Imagine that... and you say that this is an attribute of shari'a? Really? When was this AMENDED for halakha? Why was St. Stephen martyr'd "for blaspheming Moses and God"?

      March 14, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
  19. HeavenSent

    People can. It's those that want to divide and conquer from the inside out that have their big noses out of whack.

    March 10, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
    • Justina

      HeavenSent, we should try all we can, but immoral societies like present free countries won't be able to sustain any kind of peace, and it's the fault of each one of us. We let all kinds of villains have their own ways in our society. We Christians just watched, being fooled – until now.

      March 10, 2011 at 8:52 pm |
    • T-party

      I tried to be civil with heaven sent and justina but you guys are real creeps

      March 10, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
  20. Pathos with Ethos

    Only in America. I hope ppl realize how nice it is that ppl can gather from different walks of life and belief to discuss a subject.

    March 10, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
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