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Faith leaders condemn hearings
Rep. Andre Carson, D-Indiana, speaks with a coalition of clergy against the radicalization hearings
March 10th, 2011
05:32 PM ET

Faith leaders condemn hearings

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Clergy from across the nation's religious spectrum condemned Muslim radicalization hearings by Rep. Peter King, R-New York, which they said unfairly targeted Muslims. The clergy spoke at a press conference Thursday in the Cannon Congressional office building, one floor below the radicalization hearings.

The clergy group called Shoulder-to-Shoulder came from Protestant, Catholic, and Evangelical churches; Conservative, Reform, and Orthodox temples; and mosques. Group members said violent extremism was a threat to national security, but it was morally wrong to lump all Muslims into the category of violent extremists.

"We also stand shoulder-to-shoulder in opposing the singling out of any one religious community in a way that would cast unwarranted suspicion on that part of the American population," the Rev. Michael Kinnamon, general secretary of the National Council of Churches, said.

"Wherever a religious group is singled out because of it's faith we will be there. We will stand shoulder-to-shoulder wherever, whenever is necessary," said Mark Pelavin the director of the Commission on Social Action of Reform Judaism.

Kinnamon said their opposition to the hearings stemmed from several reasons. He said the hearings were based on a flawed premise, were counter-productive, were contrary to American principles, and were "counter to central teachings of the Christian faith."

Specially, he and the other faith leaders said the hearings would "bear false witness" against Muslims, something many of religious traditions represented cited as wrong.

"If the committee wants to investigate violent extremism please do so," Kinnamon continued. "But don't imply that it's associated with one part of the American mosaic."

"As I sat this morning in the hearing room, I was witness to an injustice. I was witness to an injustice that the underlying tone of these hearings is to stigmatize, stereotype, and to profile Muslim-Americans," said Rabbi Mark Schneier. He said he feared the hearing would exacerbate, "anti-Muslim bigotry and Islamophobia in our country. "

"It is the belief of all of us people of faith that we stand together shoulder-to-shoulder against hate," said Imam Mohamed Hagmagid Ali, president of the Islamic Society of North America.

"If we're going to move forward in this nation and to address radicalism and to make ourselves secure, one of the places to begin is to heal the partisan divide," James Zogby president of the Arab American Institute, said. "This issue was not just used as an issue to divide Muslims and the rest of America but between Democrats and Republicans. It was exploited rather, I think, callously for partisan purposes and was shameful."

Rep. Andre Carson, D-Indiana, also joined the clergy at the press conference. Carson is the second Muslim to serve in Congress. The first, Rep Keith Ellison, D-Minnesota, testified at the hearings.

"I am deeply concerned by Representative King's hearings," Carson said. "These hearings weaken the very foundation upon which this country was built. Our nation was founded under the principle we have the right to practice our religion freely and without persecution."

But it was that free exercise that came up during the hearings that were troubling for King and his supporters. Two witnesses testified about their relatives who fell victim to the lure of extremism while worshiping in U.S. mosques.

"Muslims are not saying there is no problem. We do believe that elements are targeting our youth and our community. But we're saying Muslims are really engaging in this fight against violent extremism," Ali said. "The impression was given in the hearing all mosques are not doing anything. That's what I think is unfair."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • DC • Muslim • Religious liberty • United States

soundoff (112 Responses)
  1. LoneZero

    "Explain how it is unfair when for the past 40 years "ALL" terrorist attacks on innocent citizens [women and children] has been committed by .....Who? Muslims"

    I'll give you a good example Hutaree

    If you don't know what that means it translates to Christian warriors

    In 2010, after an FBI agent infiltrated the group, nine of its members were indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit on charges of seditious conspiracy to use of improvised explosive devices, teaching the use of explosive materials, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence

    March 13, 2011 at 4:19 am |
  2. The Bottom Line

    http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2011/03/in_defense_of_peter_kings_muslim_hearings.html

    March 13, 2011 at 1:31 am |
  3. Iqbal Khan

    watch this.....

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27660.htm

    March 12, 2011 at 12:40 pm |
  4. syzito

    "unfairly targeted Muslims." Explain how it is unfair when for the past 40 years "ALL" terrorist attacks on innocent citizens [women and children] has been committed by .....Who? Muslims.What religious faith teaches that in order for it to be true it must be believed by the entire world and anyone that rejects it must be killed? Which religion was founded by a murdering pedophile?Give you one guess? Islam.Which religion continues to live in the 9th century?Why are "all" Mid-Eastern countries that are lead by Islamic teachings still back-water third world holes for humanity?

    March 12, 2011 at 10:57 am |
  5. Iqbal Khan

    To become a Human being..Read...Read ...Read.

    http://www.mlivo.com/translations/Shabbir%20Ahmed.htm

    March 11, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Iqbal.. My dog read this again and still is a canine.. but he will keep trying... any other magic from the your wizard

      March 12, 2011 at 10:10 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Iqbal Khan, you follow a liar and a con-artist that is human with a big ego who was blinded by the sin of Pride, believing himself to be bigger or better than God. Over the years, your countrymen/women made him a mini-god, but Allah is NOT God. Jesus Christ is God the almighty over each and everyone in the universe.

      Amen.

      March 13, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
    • Evolved DNA

      Heavensent.. you do the same thing.. you have no more proof of your wizard than the Muslims... battle of the Myths.. All of your gods are violent .

      March 14, 2011 at 8:46 am |
  6. Justina

    Whats a condom hearing?

    March 11, 2011 at 10:30 pm |
    • Justina

      A false Justina

      March 12, 2011 at 3:12 am |
    • Justina (Christian)

      Is there more than one Justina in the world? Then this is hell. No wonder prayers don't work here.

      March 12, 2011 at 4:48 am |
    • Justina (Christian)

      A fake Justina (Christian) again. The world is like hell because of anti-christians.

      March 13, 2011 at 5:43 am |
  7. Keith

    Here's a quote from a "faith leader", "You must move in the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you reach all the power centers...until the conditions are ripe, they[the followers] must continue like this. If they do something prematurely, the world will crush our heads, and Muslims will suffer everywhere, like in the tragedies in Algeria, like in 1982 [in] Syria...like in the yearly disasters and tragedies in Egypt. The time is not yet right. You must wait until we can shoulder the entire world and carry it...You must wait until such time as you have gotten all the state power, until you have brought to your side all the power of the const-itutional inst-itutions in Turkey...Until that time, any step taken would be too early-like breaking an egg without waiting the full forty days for it to hatch. It would be like killing the chick inside. The work to be done is [in] confronting the world. Now, I have expressed my feelings and thoughts to you all-in confidence...trusting your loyalty and secrecy. I know that when you leave here-[just] as you discard your empty juice boxes, you must discard the thoughts and feelings that I expressed here."-Fethullah Gulen. This guy is using your tax dollars to set up islamic charter schools here in the U.S. Someone should check him out. Prothero won't.

    March 11, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
    • Oh, I See.

      Put together a letter to your Republican congressional and senate members conveying your concern. Have as many 'consti-tuents' as possible sign the letter. Request a response from each legislator. Tell them that your vote is contingent upon their response and actions on this issue. Make your letter matter-of-fact and professional. Don't editorialize.

      youtube thethirdjihad (parts 1-4)

      March 11, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
  8. GAmerican

    Rep King has no morality or shame. He is using these hearing that single out a whole religious community to score sheap political wins. He is a guy who supported and made execuses for the terror actions of the IRA. So what do you expect from him? The big failure of the hearings yesterday is the best answer to his actions, particularly the professional testimony by the Sheriff from California, who demonstrated experience, evidence and maturity not the emotions of the other witnesses that King collected around himself.

    March 11, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
  9. Enoch

    0.8% of the population taking hostage of 300 Americans! Compare that with Egypt where 15% of the population - the Copts - for many out there, they don't even exist, they can be murdered, their holy places destroyed. Even these so-called religious groups that are vocal on defending the "rights" of Muslims, are mute when it comes to their persecuted Christian spiritual brothers. Isn't this a proof that Satan rules over this particular world?!

    March 11, 2011 at 7:33 am |
  10. theoldadam

    .

    Many of the leaders are deluded, believeing that God actually want them to send their sons to die for Him.

    When in actuality, He has sent His son to die for them.

    .

    March 11, 2011 at 7:25 am |
  11. doctore0

    All faith-leaders.. they are the blind ones, they are the ones who will lead you, and walk you over the edge of madness

    March 11, 2011 at 5:58 am |
    • HeavenSent

      All are? Like you've meet all faith healers. There are anti-social personalities in all walks of life. Who do you think you are kidding to thing it's just in religion.

      You non-believers are a joke. I'm glad none of us on this site take your foolishness seriously. You own being an idiot.

      March 13, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • Jeff

      Heaven Sent you are taking it seriously since you continue to respond to the posts.

      March 14, 2011 at 8:59 am |
  12. theoldadam

    .

    "The fact all Muslims do not act on it is irrelevant for as we see enough Muslims do from generation to generation to perpetuate the terror against other".

    Exactly right!

    .

    March 11, 2011 at 1:11 am |
    • allfaith

      Exactly right! That's why we need to abolish football and hockey. There's just too many violent types mixed in with those professional athletes.

      March 13, 2011 at 11:36 pm |
  13. markjuliansmith

    Plato thousands of years ago gave humanity some good advice for harmonious societies delete text purported to be from Gods which informs evil action.

    Everyone of us base our lives on less than perfect text. To target one without the other is rather hypocritical.

    It should be about all text which vilifies other Religious or Secular not persons.

    The fact is Muslims are already radicalized the reason being from the Islamic texts Quran foundation chapter "THE COW" onwards vilification of and justification of 'grevious harm' against other is the main theme.

    This is why terrorists are good boys and girls coming from good Muslim families. It is that simple.

    The radical Muslim clerics are not triggering anything they are simply providing the opportunity. The trigger has already been created by the basic Islamic text which forms all Muslims.

    The fact all Muslims do not act on it is irrelevant for as we see enough Muslims do from generation to generation to perpetuate the terror against other.

    If you read the Quran – only Chapter "THE COW" which sets up the framework by which the Islamic text will be challenged, vilifies the perpetrators sets them as less and then informs the remedy 'grevious harm' with the ultimate authority God authorizing all within, given this is an old recipe for genocide against other and the terror we clearly are experiencing would it not be rational to be rightfully concerned?

    Also more importantly as we are all formed by textual constructs such as the Islamic text, there may just exist evil text informing evil action and we should seek it out be it secular or religious so we can change the future for humanity?

    Change the text forming our new citizen’s change the outcomes otherwise more of the same.

    This means not just looking at Islamic text but other texts within our communities which are used to form new citizens and accept the fact finally ‘Freedom of Religion’ has been a curse on society because we are not able to easily challenge such Religious text which generates real evil against other without being erroneously labeled and censured.

    March 11, 2011 at 12:36 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Allah (who is a man, not God) tells you in the Quran to follow the laws given to Moses, then the scriptures of Jesus Christ as follows:

      John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

      John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

      John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

      John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

      John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

      John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name [was] John.

      John 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe.

      John 1:8 He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light.

      John 1:9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

      John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

      John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

      John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

      John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

      John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

      John 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

      John 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

      John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

      John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

      John 1:19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?

      John 1:20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.

      John 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.

      John 1:22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?

      John 1:23 He said, I [am] the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

      John 1:24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.

      John 1:25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?

      John 1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;

      John 1:27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.

      John 1:28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.

      John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

      John 1:30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.

      John 1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

      John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

      John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

      John 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

      John 1:35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;

      John 1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

      John 1:37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.

      John 1:38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?

      John 1:39 He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.

      John 1:40 One of the two which heard John [speak], and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.

      John 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

      John 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.

      John 1:43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.

      John 1:44 Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.

      John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

      John 1:46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.

      John 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

      John 1:48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.

      John 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

      John 1:50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.

      John 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

      John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

      John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

      John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

      John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

      John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

      John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

      John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

      John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

      John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

      John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

      John 14:11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

      John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

      John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

      John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it].

      John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

      John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

      John 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

      John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

      John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

      John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

      John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

      John 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

      John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

      John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

      John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being [yet] present with you.

      John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

      John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

      John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

      John 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

      John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

      John 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

      Amen.

      March 11, 2011 at 5:28 am |
    • Up Your Rear Admiral

      Hey, HeavenSent, while you're dumping your load of bible quotes, why not include some of the naughty bits from Leviticus and elsewhere too. What an evil, cruel religion you promote:

      # Kill the bullock before the LORD ... bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar." 1:5

      # "Flay the burnt offering; cut it into pieces." 1:6

      # Lay ... the head, and the fat ... on the fire which is upon the altar: But his inwards and his legs ... burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice ... a sweet savour unto the LORD." 1:8-9

      # "Kill ... before the Lord and ... sprinkle blood round about." 1:11

      # "Cut it into his pieces, with his head and his fat ... and burn it ... for a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:12-13

      # "If the burnt sacrifice ... be of fowls ... wring off his head, and burn it ... and the blood thereof shall be wrung out." 1:14-15

      # "For a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:17

      # "Part it in pieces... it is a meat offering." 2:6

      # "It is a thing most holy of the offerings of the LORD made by fire." 2:10

      # "He shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it ... and .... sprinkle the blood ... round about." 3:2

      # "The fat that covereth the inwards ... and the two kidneys ... and the caul above the liver.... It is ... a sweet savour unto the Lord." 3:3-5

      # "He shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it ... and .... sprinkle the blood ... round about." 3:8

      # "The fat ... the whole rump ... the inwards ... the two kidneys ... burn it upon the altar: it is the food of the offering made by fire unto the LORD." 3:9-11

      # "If his offering be a goat ... he shall lay his hand upon the head ... and kill it ... and ... sprinkle the blood ... round about." 3:12-13

      # "The fat that covereth the inwards ... the two kidneys ... and the caul above the liver ... burn them upon the altar; it is the food of the ooffering made by fire for a sweet savour." 3:14-16

      # "All the fat is the Lord's."
      When you do your burnt offerings, remember that "all the fat is the Lord's." (And he doesn't like to share!) 3:16

      # "Kill the bullock before the Lord and take of the bullock's blood." 4:4

      # "The priest shall dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle the blood seven times before the Lord." 4:6

      # "Put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar ... and ... pour all the blood of the bullock at the bottom of the altar." 4:7

      # "Take ... all the fat of the bullock for the sin offering; the fat that covereth the inwards ... the two kidneys ... and the caul above the liver ... and ... burn them upon the altar of the burnt offering." 4:8-10

      # "And the skin of the bullock, and all his flesh, with his head, and with his legs, and his inwards, and his dung...."
      What to do with the fat, kidneys, liver, skin, head, entrails, and dung from your burnt offerings. 4:11-12

      # "Offer a young bullock for the sin ... The bullock shall be killed before the Lord." 4:14-15

      # "Bring of the bullock's blood ... And the priest shall dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle the blood seven times before the Lord." 4:16-17

      # "Put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar ... and ... pour out all the blood ... and ... take all his fat from him, and burn it upon the altar." 4:18-19

      # "He shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it." 4:24-25

      # "The priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out his blood ... and he shall burn all his fat upon the altar." 4:25-26

      # "Slay the sin offering ... and the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering ... and shall pour out all the blood." 4:29-30

      # "He shall take away all the fat ... and ... burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD." 4:31

      March 11, 2011 at 9:31 am |
    • Reality

      After careful and thorough analyses, John's gospel has been basically ruled as fiction by many NT scholars .

      H.S. Reimarus
      R. Bultmann
      E. Kasemann
      Earl Doherty
      Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy
      Alvar Ellegård
      G. A. Wells
      Gregory Riley
      Robert Eisenman
      John Dominic Crossan
      Robert Funk
      Burton Mack
      Stephen J. Patterson
      Marcus Borg
      Stevan Davies
      Geza Vermes
      Richard Horsley
      Hyam Maccoby
      Gerd Theissen
      Bart Ehrman
      Paula Fredriksen
      Gerd Lüdemann
      John P. Meier
      E. P. Sanders
      Robert H. Stein
      Karen Armstrong
      Albert Schweitzer (The Quest for the Historical Jesus)
      Mahlon Smith
      Karen Pagels

      March 11, 2011 at 9:37 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Up Your Rear Admiral, funny you chose the ox (or bullock), which is the most humble of God's creatures. In Biblical Times, the Ox, as a beast of burden did his work as he treads out the grain, the one who lives out his life in the common necessary tasks of life all the while breaking the grain down so others can eat. Where would any of us be without the effort it takes to do the mundane?

      The burnt offering was a praise offering which means the ox ministry is a praise to God even though it is hidden from normal sight by its commonality.

      The common is just as important to God as the exquisite (e.g. same is true for the small as well as the great).

      The Burnt Offering, Feast of Passover represents our salvation experience (e.g. born of woman or born from above aka born again). Jesus Christ became our Passover (our salvation) offered up for the sake of the world when he was crucified, died for ALL our sins, ascended into heaven to defeat death (evil, sin, satan). Jesus fulfilled all these offerings of Leviticus and more including the Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles. Remember that Passover was done the first time before they left Egypt and was established before the Law of Leviticus. The sacrifices for sin (Sin or Trespass offering) had to be first and occur before this burnt offering could be done (e.g. means the sacrifice of devotion and service) this offering is beyond the sacrifice for sin, and this offering is for laying ones' life down for service for our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

      There is nothing more glorious in work than the manifestation of God in his people. The burnt offering was consider as a pleasing aroma, a fragrance for Him that arises unto His nostrils and says well done, faithful servants of the Most High.

      Then of course, the people feasted which today is called a Bar-b-Q. All the washings is the ritual of spiritual washing of sins from the sinner, to be perfect as God wants all His children to be.

      Amen.

      March 13, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
    • Erica

      Heaven Sent, now I always thought it was referring to the saying, it depends on whose ox is being gored. Many would say that the meaning is that we are more likely to take offense to a dubious comment or action when that comment or action is directed against what we see as our own interests. It's ironic that you fell right into this meaning.

      March 14, 2011 at 8:57 am |
  14. theoldadam

    If Muslims would do more speaking out and preaching against these terrorist acts, then maybe they wouldn't be drawing all this attention to themselves. But they are fairly quiet in their condemnation...unless a cartoon is drawn.

    March 10, 2011 at 11:52 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Did you ever read the Quran?

      March 11, 2011 at 5:15 am |
    • pete

      If moderate christians would just speak out against all the stuff that is done in the name of the Father......no. that is stupid. i'm not going to apologize every time some idiot thinks that God is talking to them and they kill someone. Muslims shouldn't have to either.

      And for that guy who says that the KKK is just resevered for some backwoods people, maybe the KKK but it has evolved into orther hate groups who are very well funded and led by educated people(i think that is an oxymoron (sp))

      March 11, 2011 at 9:01 am |
    • Justina

      Pete, Christians helped and liberated mankind in the name of God all over the world. KKK is an American problem, nothing to do with the world's 2.3 billion Christians.

      March 12, 2011 at 3:46 am |
    • Oh LOL

      Justina, Christians in this country are behind the bans that are keeping gay people from their rights and stripping women of their right to choose. They are forcing their views on the rest of us everyday. I don't call that liberation.

      March 12, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Oh LOL, only gay people believe themselves to be a major problem with Jesus. They are no worse than any of the sinners that are constantly blinded by the Lust of Flesh, which is their sin. In order to get past this sin, the person needs to go humble (meaning to stop thinking with the ego ... which is carnal) and read the Bible to comprehend what Jesus wants for us and from us, and then abide in His spiritual truth. Jesus created us for His pleasure to love Him. In order to love Him, we need to understand Him. Hence, the Bible is His blueprint for life on earth that he left us to read, comprehend and abide in so we can be with Him, on earth, as it is in Heaven. The more a person reads the Bible, the easier it gets, the more the person can relieve them self of the sin that blinds them. There isn't a magic fix to this. The person has to want to comprehend what Jesus is teaching spiritually in order to get past carnal sins.

      Amen.

      March 13, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    • Frederica

      Oh-Lol, Christians are trying to halt the spread of deadly immorality and stop the massacre of unborn humans. You are intolerant and oppressive; that's why you don't get it.

      March 13, 2011 at 11:40 pm |
  15. Reality

    Instead of any future hearings on the radicalization of Abrahamic religions:

    There never was and never will be any angels i.e. no Gabriel, no Islam

    There was and never will be any bodily resurrections i.e. No Easter, no Christianity

    Abraham and Moses never existed.

    Added details upon request.

    And then there is this for the crybaby politicians and clerics:

    Recognizing the flaws, follies and frauds in the foundations of Islam, Judaism and Christianity by the "bowers", kneelers" and "pew peasants" will converge these religions into some simple rules of life. No koran, bible, clerics, nuns, monks, imams, evangelicals, ayatollahs, rabbis, professors of religion or priests needed or desired.

    Ditto for houses of "worthless worship" aka mosques, churches, basilicas, cathedrals, temples or synagogues.

    March 10, 2011 at 11:31 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Reality, I have a few questions for you. Where did you learn right from wrong? Where did you learn how to be a man? Where did you learn how to get along with others in community? Where did you learn morals? Ethics? Righteous versus unrighteous actions? I'll ask you further questions after you answer the above.

      Thank you.

      March 11, 2011 at 4:41 am |
    • Reality

      HeavenSent et al,

      As noted many times before, from the ancients e.g. The Code of Hammurabi, The Egyptian Book of the Dead

      an excerpt:

      "Hail to thee, great God, Lord of the Two Truths. I have come unto thee, my Lord, that thou mayest bring me to see thy beauty. I know thee, I know thy name, I know the names of the 42 Gods who are with thee in this broad hall of the Two Truths . . . Behold, I am come unto thee. I have brought thee truth; I have done away with sin for thee. I have not sinned against anyone. I have not mistreated people. I have not done evil instead of righteousness . . .
      I have not rev-iled the God.
      I have not laid vi-olent hands on an o-rphan.
      I have not done what the God abo-minates . . .
      I have not kil-led; I have not turned anyone over to a kil-ler.
      I have not caused anyone's suffering . . .
      I have not cop-ulated (illicitly); I have not been unch-aste.
      I have not increased nor diminished the measure, I have not diminished the palm; I have not encroached upon the fields.
      I have not added to the balance weights; I have not tempered with the plumb bob of the balance.
      I have not taken milk from a child's mouth; I have not driven small cattle from their herbage...
      I have not stopped (the flow of) water in its seasons; I have not built a dam against flowing water.
      I have not quenched a fire in its time . . .
      I have not kept cattle away from the God's property.
      I have not blocked the God at his processions. "

      "The Book of the Dead was written circa 1800 BCE. 2 The Schofield Reference Bible estimates that the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt and the provision of the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai occurred in 1491 BCE., some three centuries later. Many religious liberals, historians, and secularists have concluded that the Hebrew Scripture's Ten Commandments were based on this earlier docu-ment, rather than vice-versa."

      March 11, 2011 at 7:57 am |
    • HeavenSent

      I thought you said you were raised Catholic? If so, the Catholic parents taught you Jesus' righteous teachings. Then you protested too much, and now you blog with us.

      March 12, 2011 at 9:22 pm |
    • Oh LOL

      Are you saying that the only place you can learn those things are in the Bible or some man made religion???

      March 12, 2011 at 11:32 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Listen Oh LOL, if you don't stand for Jesus, you stand for nothing. Christians are tired of you wimps that sit on the wall of the pool of life, complaining about the water all the time. Get a grip. Either jump into the water and learn how to swim in Jesus Christ, or get out of the water because satan (who you follow his lies) is going to sink in the end.

      Amen.

      March 13, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
  16. Reality

    The reason for this hearing and one that takes priority over any hurt feelings of outdated clerics or tears:

    What instigated the attack on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? And what continues to drive Muslims to commit global acts of terror and horror? The koran, Mohammed's book of death for all infidels and Muslim domination of the world by any means. Muslims must clean up this book removing said passages admitting that they are based on the Gabriel myth and therefore obviously the hallucinations and/or lies of Mohammed. Then we can talk about the safety and location of mosques and what is taught therein. Until then, no male Muslim can be trusted anytime or anywhere.–

    (Dr. Jasser, one of the witnesses at the hearing definitely is aware of the situation within Islam. One hopes he is successful in his attempts to modernize Islam.)

    March 10, 2011 at 11:24 pm |
    • allfaith

      I'm confused. Do you mean the followers of Osama Bin Laden when you say Muslims? Cause I know a nice fellow around the corner who sells sandwiches whose Muslim and he seems pretty nice. His daughter's even nicer. I don't think I could hate someone like that.

      March 13, 2011 at 11:05 pm |
  17. SirDigbyChickenCesar

    I see the shadow of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on the curtains!
    Ragu, the Holy Sauce, will cover all our sins!

    March 10, 2011 at 10:47 pm |
    • hell sent

      Ramen

      March 11, 2011 at 11:36 pm |
    • allfaith

      Ramen!, brother.

      March 13, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
  18. T-party

    I am agnostic, why cant faith leaders condemn terr-orism???????

    March 10, 2011 at 10:14 pm |
    • Frederica

      Agnostics are cowards, but always end up killing innocent lives. Pontius Pilate is the classic example.

      March 13, 2011 at 11:37 pm |
  19. Gil T

    Standing boulder-to-boulder against hate. Sure. Or is it standing steer-to-steer in fear? The clergy group's distorted that "it was morally wrong to lump all Muslims into the category of violent extremists." That is neither the stated nor intented objective. The distortion is a reflection of their similar inability to DISTINGUISH AND UPHOLD their differences without either resorting to rants and violence. It is indicative of their inability to teach with clarity and conviction to produce confidence among the adherents of their respective faiths. It's a photo opt and good PR with the flock back home.

    Hearings and committee is what Washington whether or not these produce a result or find the problem. They're on the clock.
    Law enforcement at state and federal levels do intelligence. The best operations work together with some of the same ethnic, religious, political as the targets of their intelligence. They rely as well on others who may not have the same ethnic, religious, etc, but who know and are not afraid to live out their American citizen duty. This without committees.

    March 10, 2011 at 9:43 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      T-party, same reason why we can't get non-believers to go humble.

      March 11, 2011 at 2:03 am |
    • Up Your Rear Admiral

      @HeavenSent, yeah, we can appreciate the humility that you as a believer show. All those assumptions of yours that you understand your myth book better than we do, and that we haven't read those loads of bible quotes that you keep unloading here as if we haven't seen them all before, and all your positioning of yourself as more moral even though your book of horrors is a terrible basis for a moral system. Yeah, you're humble all right. Not.

      March 12, 2011 at 10:36 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Rear Admiral, Oh, I didn't know it was against your rules to stand up for Jesus Christ!

      March 12, 2011 at 9:20 pm |
  20. JOHN DAHODI

    Peter King has any morality or SHAME?
    King himself is a long-time supporter of the IRA, and in the 1980s proclaimed: "If civilians are killed in an attack on a military installation it is certainly regrettable, but I will not morally blame the IRA for it." On what ground he can say that extremism of others are sinful but not his or HIS OWN GOONS?

    March 10, 2011 at 6:13 pm |
    • God

      So what? Just because someone supports any sort of organization it doesn't mean they're right or wrong. The merit of the idea stands on it's own, regardless if it was put forth by a saint or a criminal.

      March 10, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
    • False Reality

      Fair enough, the idea itself is patently wrong because it seeks to task an entire religion responsible for a small extremist group

      March 10, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
    • Oh, I See.

      Even though small extremist groups are using an entire religion...

      March 10, 2011 at 8:04 pm |
    • False Reality

      Yes...that's what extremist groups do...see Abortion Clinic Bombers or the KKK, these groups already hide behind the ideals of larger groups. Blaming the many for the acts of the few is called prejudice.

      March 10, 2011 at 8:46 pm |
    • Oh, I See.

      Of course. An entire 1.6B religion being held hostage by 1%. We policed our (few) abortion bombers. The KKK is reserved for a few harmless backwoods folks. But Islam's problem is worldwide. I'm sorry. No matter the 'excuses' offered by apologists it just doesn't make sense.

      Consider these hearings. Common sense would dictate that all 'moderate' Muslims would gladly be standing up in support of the identification and control of their 1%. But no. The overwhelming majority vehemently object. And sympathizers like yourself join in with catcalls of bigotry and prejudice. Sorry, fella. No sale. It walks and quacks like a duck.

      March 10, 2011 at 9:09 pm |
    • mr. happy 420

      What is the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter in politics? The answer is disgusting, whoever wins and writes the history books.

      March 10, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
    • (B)iraq Hussein Osama

      A)
      Extremists are not holding the religion of Islam hostage as some complain. Islam is flourishing, the majority of Muslims the world over are working hard at their religion and their lives are enriched by it. Who is having children and raising healthy children, Muslims! All the other cultures have long given up re-producing or are on their way to abandoning the whole concept of marriage, family units and child rearing.

      B)
      The biggest ambassadors of Islam are the everyday Muslims you meet at the coffee shop behind the counter, or your customers or your office co-workers or the accountant or doctor or your neighbor. They are the ones whose good morals and good behavior carries the flag of Islam.

      C)
      Capitalist media will always be anti-Islamic because the old-fashioned values of Islam are boring and do not make headlines. Media will always gravitate towards the 1% or 2% or 5% of Muslims who have lost their compass and gone bannanas. Thats the reality of life. Banana Moslems make great headlines, the rest do not.

      D)
      Military-Industrial-Capitalist societies too will find plenty of fault with Islam and its emphasis on family values and self-restraint and self-denial. FASTING and CHARITY seldom make for good bedfellows with CONSUMPTION, GLUTTONY, SCANDAL and INDIVIDUALISM, the cornerstones of capitalist social structure. One must resign and let the impending fascism take its course. Why would Muslims not be the "jews" of American fascism, its a natural fit.

      March 10, 2011 at 9:40 pm |
    • False Reality

      The entire religion isn't being "held hostage" you're just lumping them together. And moderate Muslims DO stand up against acts of terrorism they just don't answer to YOU or Christians anymore than you answer to them for the issues you have in your religion of which there are many.

      March 10, 2011 at 11:05 pm |
    • Oh, I See.

      "they just don't answer to YOU"

      Then who do they answer to?

      March 11, 2011 at 12:06 am |
    • HeavenSent

      (B)iraq Hussein Osama,

      A) Answer: American Christians are raising healthy children too. Do not be confused by the TV media. Not everyone requires the narcissistic center of attention in the spotlight. You haven’t a clue to who Mr. and Mrs. Average Americans are? Those behind the scenes are trying their best to destroy values in our country. You can put the blame them for their divide and conquer as they play Americans against each other. We do.

      B) Answer: Same with practicing Christians, except we carry the flag of the U.S.A.

      C) Answer: What you call lost their compass and gone bananas, Christians call, never to read Jesus’ truth to take responsibility for one’s thoughts/beliefs, words, and actions to ensure Jesus’ righteous outcomes. Going bananas and losing their compass is bad behavior ruled by ego, never to humble themselves. Big egos are in every culture. You can keep pretending that everyone is the Muslim world is humble, obviously your fellow Muslims that make the papers are not. As are some of my fellow Americans (that don’t practice Jesus’ wisdom to learn how to be humble).

      D) Answer: Just what we need. More of the same that believe they will be a natural fit. Why not bring the qualities of your beliefs instead of trying to fit in with a consumption, gluttonous, scandalous, individualistic American business? Personally, I would welcome individuals that were humble, had work ethics and retained the moral attributes you explained.

      Amen.

      March 11, 2011 at 2:31 am |
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