6 other calamities blamed on divine retribution
Destroyed vehicles and rubble in Minamisanriku, Japan
March 16th, 2011
04:55 PM ET

6 other calamities blamed on divine retribution

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Age-old questions about divine punishment are back. Again.

On Tuesday, the governor of Tokyo apologized for saying the earthquake and tsunami that killed thousands of Japanese were divine retribution for national egoism.

Television and media personality Glenn Beck, meanwhile, has sent mixed messages about whether he thinks God is behind Japan's natural disaster. “I’m not saying God is, you know, causing earthquakes,” he said Monday, adding he's “not not saying that, either.”

“Whether you call it Gaia, or whether you call it Jesus, there’s a message being sent and that is, ‘Hey, you know that stuff we’re doing? Not really working out real well,’” Beck said. “Maybe we should stop doing some of it.”

Blaming human sinfulness for natural and man-made disasters is nothing new. “This kind of thinking is actually typical rather than atypical in world history,” says Stephen Prothero, a Boston University religion professor and CNN Belief Blog contributor.

Here’s a list of natural and man-made calamities that have been attributed to divine retribution for human transgression. Let us know what others should make the cut.

1. The Haiti earthquake

A day after Haiti’s devastating 2009 earthquake, U.S. Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson said the disaster was provoked by the Haitians' "pact to the devil."

The “700 Club” host said Haitians had entered that pact to gain independence from French rule in the early 1800s. “They said, 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the French.' True story,” Robertson said. “And so, the devil said, 'OK, it's a deal.' "

“Ever since,” Robertson continued, "they have been cursed by one thing after the other." The magnitude 7.0 earthquake claimed more than 200,000 lives.

2. Hurricane Katrina

A handful of politically conservative Christians blamed 2005’s Hurricane Katrina - which struck New Orleans, Louisiana, and left more than 1,800 dead - on the Crescent City’s embrace of gay pride events.

“All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens,” John Hagee, a Texas-based evangelical pastor who leads the Christian Zionist movement in the United States, said after Katrina. “I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are - were recipients of the judgment of God for that."

3. The September 11 attacks

Two days after the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, the Rev. Jerry Falwell said the attacks were, at least in part, God’s judgment on those who would secularize American public life.

“I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen,'” Falwell said on Pat Robertson’s “700 Club" program.

"God will not be mocked,” said Falwell, who was made famous by leading the Moral Majority in the 1980s.

In a phone call to CNN later the same day, Falwell stepped back a bit, saying that only the hijackers and terrorists were responsible for the attacks.

But Falwell reiterated that forces trying to secularize the U.S. “created an environment which possibly has caused God to lift the veil of protection which has allowed no one to attack America on our soil since 1812."

4. The Civil War

Abraham Lincoln entered the White House conceiving of God as a distant creator. But the presidency transformed that view into one of a God who acts in the universe. The turnaround was triggered largely by watching the Civil War’s casualty numbers rise into the hundreds of thousands.

In 1862, Lincoln scribbled down his thoughts about God and war. “I am almost ready to say this is probably true - that God wills this contest, and wills that it shall not end yet," he wrote. “He could give the final victory to either side any day - Yet the contest proceeds.”

Lincoln elaborated in his second inaugural address in 1865, framing the Civil War as divine punishment for slavery, which he considered a sin. It was his last speech to the American people before his assassination.

5. The Holocaust

During and after World War II, some Orthodox Jews attributed the murder of 6 million fellow believers to Jewish transgression. Many in that camp pointed a finger at Zionists, who they accused of trying to establish Israel too soon, before the Messiah’s return.

“There were groups that claimed this was divine punishment because there were no other theological options,” says Bernard M. Levinson, a Jewish studies professor at the University of Minnesota. “Their own piety made things difficult.”

More recently, one of Israel’s leading rabbis generated controversy for claiming that last year's devastating fire in the Jewish state - the worst in the country’s history - was divine retribution for Jews failing to observe the Sabbath.

6. The biblical flood

The God of the Hebrew Bible is frequently portrayed as a ruler who doles out major rewards - and some very harsh punishments. One of the most famous is the flood in Genesis, which God orchestrates in response to human wickedness. He allows the righteous Noah to build an ark to ride out 40 days' worth of rain.

Widely cited as the archetypal act of divine retribution, some biblical scholars say the story was intended less to warn of a vengeful God than to establish the role of human agency in world events. Levinson says the story is a counter-narrative to The Epic of Gilgamesh, a Mesopotamian tale that involves a massive flood but that depicts humans as powerless in the face of capricious gods.

“The author of the flood story is saying that God doesn’t act randomly, that God responds to human action,” Levinson says. He notes that the Noah story is set in prehistoric times, which he says shows the narrative is meant to be taken as metaphor, not as a practical explanation of natural disasters.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Asia • God • Holocaust • Japan

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  1. Fritz


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    March 30, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
  2. Steve B

    Garbage! What loving father would cause his children pain and suffering, even when they are bad? God does not punish us, His beloved children, because He loves us. In fact, He loves us so much that He sent His son to die for our sins. Jesus already paid the price for all our sins. We are UNPUNISHABLE! (noodle on that one for a while).

    Satan, on the other hand,m comes to kill, steal and destroy. Now that sounds like what's been happening, doesn't it? Let's place the blame where it belongs and stop blaming God for Satan's attacks against man.

    March 30, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
  3. Manohar Sapkota

    It is just a natural cause. There is not any divine anger in this disaster. God is within us or not within us. It is up to a person to permit the GOD to live within him/her. Being theist or atheist ( I think) doesn't matter to the almighty. The war, poverty, diseases and even natural disaster occur because of our greed and immoral thoughts and action. If we, people live with the feeling of brotherhood, we can bring peace. However, natural calamities will occur. Love and compassion is the only remedy for such unexpected events.

    March 30, 2011 at 2:54 am |
  4. holycow

    umm...is the genesis flood scientifically recognized?

    March 29, 2011 at 4:40 pm |
  5. Stubbycat

    The Divine Mind never punishes His chldren, His ideas. By believng we are mortals separate from immortal Love, we afflict ourselves with our own mortal material beliefs which shut out the divine goodness and grace. We can turn to the light of Truth and Love anytime we want to and thus work out our salvation and safety just like Jesus said.

    March 29, 2011 at 12:21 am |
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    March 28, 2011 at 11:50 pm |
  7. Joe Thopmson

    Lets blame things on god or the devil instead of OURSELVES....

    March 28, 2011 at 11:30 pm |
  8. Montana

    When I was a kid I lived in Utah, and the Boy Scouts was taken over by Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS Church). This, so called religion, practices underage polygamy, they send the boy s off on missions to divide the underage sisters among the dirty old men of the clan. Now when these underage girls get pregnant, these same dirty old men, send them to the state to get their welfare checks . You should see some of the palace homes that are paid with welfare checks (not on just one of course). By the way this is the newest religion that was created right here in United States of America, I guess their also in AZ, CA, NM, TX, NV, CO, OK. When someone hides behind religion to do or say something that is wrong we should stand up and point it out (right the wrong). Someone should ask Glenn Beck about it, he seems to have all the answers.


    March 28, 2011 at 5:54 pm |
  9. Muneef

    Pearls of Wisdom from Ali bin Abi Talib

    Success is the result of foresight and resolution, foresight depends upon deep thinking and planning and the most important factor of planning is to keep your secrets to yourself.

    49. Be afraid of a gentleman when he is hungry, and of a mean person when his stomach is full.

    50. Hearts of people are like wild beasts. They attach themselves to those who love and train them.

    51. So long as fortune is favouring you, your defects will remain covered.

    52. Only he who has the power to punish can pardon.

    53. Generosity is to help a deserving person without his request, and if you help him after his request, then it is either out of self-respect or to avoid rebuke.

    54. There is no greater wealth than wisdom, no greater poverty than ignorance; no greater heritage than culture and no greater support than consultation.

    55. Patience is of two kinds: patience over what pains you, and patience against what you covet.

    56. Wealth converts a strange land into homeland and poverty turns a native place into a strange land.

    57. Contentment is the capital which will never diminish.

    58. Wealth is the fountain head of passions.

    59. Whoever warns you against sins and vices is like the one who gives you good tidings.

    60. Tongue is a beast, if it is let loose, it devours.

    62. If you are greeted then return the greetings more warmly. If you are favoured, then repay the obligation manifold; but he who takes the initiative will always excel in merit.

    63. The source of success of a claimant is the mediator.

    64. People in this world are like travelers whose journey is going on though they are asleep. ( Life's journey is going on though men may not feel it ).

    65. Lack of friends means, stranger in one's own country.

    66. Not to have a thing is less humiliating than to beg it.

    67. Do not feel ashamed if the amount of charity is small because to refuse the needy is an act of greater shame.

    68. To refrain from unlawful and impious source of pleasures is an ornament to the poor and to be thankful for the riches granted is the adornment of wealth.

    69. If you cannot get things as much as you desire than be contented with what you have.

    70. An ignorant person will always overdo a thing or neglect it totally.

    71. The wiser a man is, the less talkative will he be.

    72. Time wears out bodies, renews hopes, brings death nearer and takes away aspirations. Whoever gets anything from the world lives in anxiety for holding it and whoever loses anything passes his days grieving over the loss.

    73. Whoever wants to be a leader should educate himself before educating others. Before preaching to others he should first practice himself. Whoever educates himself and improves his own morals is superior to the man who tries to teach and train others.

    74. Every breath you take is a step towards death.

    75. Anything which can be counted is finite and will come to an end.

    76. If matters get mixed up then scrutinize the cause and you will know what the effects will be.

    March 25, 2011 at 9:30 pm |
    • Joe Thopmson

      If I disagree with you on these 'tidbits' of wisdom are you going to cut my head off?
      Will the US air force then pound you into submission to protect the zionists......
      Everyone needs to try something new...

      March 28, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
    • holycow

      the rapport?

      March 29, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
  10. kelsey

    god can do what he wants, but he is fair, and he knows why he does the things he does-maybe these were punishment maybe not.

    March 25, 2011 at 9:15 am |
    • holycow

      God will do what God will do. I don't understand a thing.

      March 29, 2011 at 4:45 pm |
  11. Ron

    The thing I remember about Hurricane Katrina was Pat Robertson and others of his ilk, saying how this was 'gods' judgment against the gays. Funny though, the gay quarters were spared all the destruction while other quarters (where the Christians lived) were destroyed. The gay quarters opened up for business rather quickly. My question for those who kept quoting gods judgment was why was the gay quarters left alone? Could god have been making a statement against the Christians? or did he miss?

    March 23, 2011 at 8:07 pm |
    • Muneef


      Only he God knows what is in the heart of man and only he can judge him...
      There are non religious or sinful people but have mercy of God for being clean hearted and helpful and charitable to the weak and needy.
      While there are religious ones who are filled with ego thinking they are better or chosen ones than any other most humans, they might be so thight with good deeds such as to being helpful and charitable to weak and needy, they even might believe that they should not extend hands to those poor and needy stating that if God wanted to give them he would not have left them poor..or might think that poor and needy are cursed ones and shouldn't be helped!
      Therefore as you see that is not how God works it out, we are only judged by God for what we carry in our hearts, Love or Hate for fellow man...

      March 23, 2011 at 9:00 pm |
  12. Jesusbejesus

    Serious, there are people who still worship gods and think gods make these things happen? One religion falls with the dying empire and a new one arises. Our history is littered with gods of no more.

    March 23, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
    • Muneef

      Believe it or not,
      Agree with you it is so stupid to worship many Gods when the Message (The Torch) that was handed from man to man,the prophets and messengers of God who were sent generation after generation with a Message that was as Clear as Crystal that said there are no Gods but One and Only ! 
      Belief is to trust in our holy scriptures of the unseen;
      Al-Ikhlas (Faith) sura 112:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      Say: He is Allah, the One! (1) Allah, the eternally Besought of all! (2) He begetteth not nor was begotten. (3) And there is none comparable unto Him. (4).

      Al-Baqara (The Cow) sura 02:
      Allah! There is no God save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him. Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His leave? He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will. His throne includeth the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them. He is the Sublime, the Tremendous. (255) There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower. (256) Allah is the Protecting Guardian of those who believe. He bringeth them out of darkness into light. As for those who disbelieve, their patrons are false deities. They bring them out of light into darkness. Such are rightful owners of the Fire. They will abide therein. (257).

      Al-Baqara sura 02:
      "Alif. Lam. Mim. (1) This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil). (2) Who believe in the Unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them; (3) And who believe in that which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) and that which was revealed before thee, and are certain of the Hereafter. (4) These depend on guidance from their Lord. These are the successful. (5)". 

      Al-Baqara sura 02:
      "The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) believers. Each one believeth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers – We make no distinction between any of His messengers – and they say: We hear, and we obey. (Grant us) Thy forgiveness, our Lord. Unto Thee is the journeying. (285) Allah tasketh not a soul beyond its scope. For it (is only) that which it hath earned, and against it (only) that which it hath deserved. Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget, or miss the mark! Our Lord! Lay not on us such a burden as thou didst lay on those before us! Our Lord! Impose not on us that which we have not the strength to bear! Pardon us, absolve us and have mercy on us, Thou, our Protector, and give us victory over the disbelieving folk. (286)".

      March 23, 2011 at 6:58 pm |
  13. PRISM1234

    Keith, according to things you say in your post, it looks that you are a thinker... But has it ever oc'cur'red to you that we who believe, and claim to KNOW the Lord, are not just dumb followers of what's been told to us , and like dumb pu'pp'ets just nod our heads? This is the fallacy of those who line up to call us dumb, simpletons , and mock us , while glo'ating over how smart and intelligent they are... They just don't know how amiss they are! I will speak for myself, and those who know the Lord....
    God is real. Jesus Christ IS the son of God who came to redeem mankind. Flesh and blood (human being ) did not reveal it to me, nor any human being co'nvin'ced me of this. It is God Himself who has reached down to me, and by His Spirit and His Word has shown me. The things that He has shown me, He has shown it to me before I ever read the Bible. And then, when I read it, I have found those same words written and imprinted in my heart. I knew they were true.
    There are things that God has done in my life, that if I told them , many would not believe, the things that humanly would not be possible, but they happened, and God has always backed them up by con'firming them by His Spi'rit. I don't tell them, but only in ex'tra'ordinary si'tua'tions and times.
    It saddens me to see so any people , as on this and other blog, how blind they are to the ex'istence of God . Yet, I understand the reason WHY.
    Yes, there are any things in the Bible that are hard to understand and re'con with, esp'ecially in Old Te'sta'ment. But God dealt with human race then different then now. His stan'dards and His laws have not changed, but this dealing with people has, because Christ, the Lamb of God who came to take away the sins of the world came.... and He fu'lfill'ed the law. We are in the dis'pen'sation of grace, but with it came solemn res'pon'sibility: and it is not tho take it lightly nor for granted....
    I want to say one more thing, worth pondering in one's heart......The reason that Christ Jesus came the way He did, as a low'ly human being, wr'ap'ped in humble , pea'sant clothes, born to poor family, who were so poor that they had to off'er pi'geons for and off'ering instead of a lamb, and was a humble car'penter in His earthly life... the reason for his humble comming, (although HE was King of kings and LORD of lords) that ONLY THOSE WHO TRULY SOUGHT GOD WOULD RE'COG'NIZE HIM. The pharisees didn't, the scribes didn't, rulers in high politi'cal places didn't. But the lowly, the poor, the ones who were nobody in anyone's eyes.. those rec'ogn'ized Him. He was not ashamed to be seen with them, to eat in tehir co'mpany... He didn't sh'un away from lep'ers, and diseased. The sinners of wo'rst kind came to Him and when they looked into His eyes they re'cog'nized that thsoe were the eyes of God looking st'raight into their hearts. And when He said to them "neit'her do I co'nd'emn you, go and sin no more.." they knew that He had the power to tra'ns'form them. And they've seen that power in their lives.
    No, friend, don't feel sorry for us who know Jesus Christ. Feel sorry for those who mo'ck and ridi'cul'e Him, because they take pleas'ure in their mo'ck'ings, and don't know what they are doing.... But no one ever takes anything from God, nor roabbs Him of glo'ry due to Him... All glo'ry, praise and ho'nor is His, whether men(kind) gives it to HIm or not. All cre'at'ion, billions of gala'xies that are there, all that ex'ists glori'fies Him, the mountains and hills, and trees in alll their beauty of Springtime and all the creat'ures in, on, un'der and above the earth glori'fies Him, becasue they all are te'stimo'ny of His omni'pot'ence, majesty anf glory! Only fallen mankind does not, because of sin and rebelion in their hearts. They can't see His glory.... So it is not us that are blind, who know, love and ho'nor the Lord , our life-giver and the One whom He sent to re'de'em us... ... It is those who sit in the seats of mo'ck'ers, who throw their words like foo'ls, knowing not that the very words they so ca'lo'usly sp'ew, will judge them on their app'ointed day! I hope and pray that the things I said to you here will speak to you....

    March 20, 2011 at 11:31 pm |
  14. Joseph Bernard

    Not much to add except a couple of questions: How come people are so sure they are right, isn't that the ego speaking? Those that judge others and then blame disasters because of their judgments, isn't that the ego at work again? Where has the compassion gone and isn't that a primary teaching of all religions?

    Joseph at http://www.explorelifeblog.com

    March 20, 2011 at 12:50 pm |
    • Muneef

      Some of those might have not been protected;

      Al-Falaq sura 113:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      Say: I seek refuge in the Lord of the Daybreak (1) From the evil of that which He created; (2) From the evil of the darkness when it is intense, (3) And from the evil of malignant witchcraft, (4) And from the evil of the envier when he envieth. (5)..

      March 20, 2011 at 8:05 pm |
    • Judy Weismonger

      Religion creates mental illness where one not only hears voices, but acquires delusions in which they believe they have become superior to all other human beings simply because they believe in an imaginary god.

      Then, the religious begin to speak for god. This is called paranoid schizophrenia...., whereby their own views of the unprovable, then are the only thing that counts...and everyone who disagrees, or even demands proof...becomes not just evil, but bound for hell.

      So, I ask them...where is hell? What's the address? If you are going to threaten me with hell for nonbelief and certainly not believing in what the religious claim...shouldn't the religious at least know where hell is?


      March 20, 2011 at 10:50 pm |
    • Muneef


      Asking about where Hell could be? Well understand that the live volcanos on earth are the breathing noses of Hell which could mean the core of earth...although it was told that it would be far more hotter than that of core?!

      March 21, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
    • Muneef

      Judy. Sorry missed ;

      March 21, 2011 at 6:41 pm |
    • Muneef


      The verses below states your name being of a mount supposedly found some where in Turkey.....
      Hud sura 11:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      And he said: Embark therein! In the name of Allah be its course and its mooring. Lo! my Lord is Forgiving, Merciful. (41) And it sailed with them amid waves like mountains, and Noah cried unto his son – and he was standing aloof – O my son! Come ride with us, and be not with the disbelievers. (42) He said: I shall betake me to some mountain that will save me from the water. (Noah) said: This day there is none that saveth from the commandment of Allah save him on whom He hath had mercy. And the wave came in between them, so he was among the drowned. (43) And it was said: O earth! Swallow thy water and, O sky! be cleared of clouds! And the water was made to subside. And the commandment was fulfilled. And it (the ship) came to rest upon (the mount) Al-Judi and it was said: A far removal for wrongdoing folk! (44).

      March 21, 2011 at 6:43 pm |
  15. NIXON

    If Darwin were alive today he would probably come to my house and say that all of my electrical appliances have the same ancestor. That over a period of millions of years the plug has evolved and stretched out and grown into toasters, and vacuum cleaners, and TV sets and Computers. If he saw the cars on the street he may well conclude, that in the beginning was the BMW 3 Series, which then evolved into the 5 series, then the 7 Series and so on, there would be quite a few convincing pieces of evidence such as they all have four wheels, an engine, steering wheel etc. Just imagine how excited he would be if he saw a stretch-limousine version of a BMW. The BMW 4×4 Jeep could almost count as a bridge between species. It sounds absurd to deny the involvement of a designer or creator of man-made products, but I think it is equally absurd to deny the creation of God.

    March 20, 2011 at 1:45 am |
    • HotAirAce

      The evolution of inanimate objects, clearly created by man in a relatively short period of time, is in no way similar to evolution as described initially by Darwin and refined by numerous scientists since. Evolution is a continuous process that does not require the constant intervention of man or god. It, and the creation of the universe, does not require a god – there is no good reason, in the 21st century to credit a god for things that science does not yet explain. It's ok to say "We don't know yet and it's highly unlikely that any supernatural being is/was involved, given that there is no evidence to support the existence of any god."

      March 20, 2011 at 2:10 am |
    • Q

      Already responded to this the first time you posted it. Suffice it to say our detection of "design" in human-made items is based on an understanding of fabrication mechanisms. This simply doesn't apply to organisms. However, we do know the mechanism that generates biodiversity in organisms, i.e. evolution, and can observe its action in real time and can track its progression through the fossil record. We can witness in real time the capacity for complex "design" simply by mimicking evolutionary processes in vitro and by observing artificial selection in vivo. ID/creationism offers no mechanisms, only magic.

      March 20, 2011 at 4:44 am |
    • Muneef


      That is what normally happened;

      Al-Baqara sura 02:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      And verily We gave unto Moses the Scripture and We caused a train of messengers to follow after him, and We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), and We supported him with the Holy spirit. Is it ever so, that, when there cometh unto you a messenger (from Allah) with that which ye yourselves desire not, ye grow arrogant, and some ye disbelieve and some ye slay? (87).

      March 20, 2011 at 7:43 pm |
    • Muneef

      Al-E-Imran sura 03:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      It is not (the purpose) of Allah to leave you in your present state till He shall separate the wicked from the good. And it is not (the purpose of) Allah to let you know the Unseen. But Allah chooseth of His messengers whom He will, (to receive knowledge thereof). So believe in Allah and His messengers. If ye believe and ward off (evil), yours will be a vast reward. (179).

      March 20, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
    • Muneef

      Al-E-Imran sura 03:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      And lo! of the People of the Scripture there are some who believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto you and that which was revealed unto them, humbling themselves before Allah. They purchase not a trifling gain at the price of the revelations of Allah. Verily their reward is with their Lord. Lo! Allah is swift to take account. (199) O ye who believe! Endure, outdo all others in endurance, be ready, and observe your duty to Allah, in order that ye may succeed. (200).

      March 20, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
    • Judy Weismonger

      Why would you cite Darwin when you have never, ever read Darwin or know a single thing about Evolution? You xians continue to amaze me with your unremarkable lack of knowledge about anything...worse, you cite sources that you have not read and speak for other people you do not know anything about.

      Then you religious act as if once you believe in god...you get ESP in which you not only speak for other people...you speak for god.

      How do you speak for god? Why would an imaginary god choose little you to speak for it? Why would an imaginary god have to choose someone as ignorant as you to speak for it?

      Why would a god have to have anyone speak for it? duh

      March 20, 2011 at 10:47 pm |
    • Muneef


      Speaking as an Arab Muslim,we have been given a pure God message addressed to us and all humanity that we are demanded to rely as a reminder for those who take heeds. Nothing in mind other than the sake of seeking God's bounties through good deeds...
      Have you ever watched the film "The Message" by Antony Queen? Antony Queen has played heroic roles in few famous historical stories....the same producer of all those few famous movies was killed in Amman,Jordan in a famous hotel attending a wedding or been close to it by an Iraqi couple as suicide boomers!?! I was sure then that the whole booming of the hotel and wedding was only meant for him since his films has made a change and was about to produce a film for Salah AlDeen Alayoubi when he was targeted...may God have mercy on his soul....Amen.
      Any of our people flourishes with knowledge are picked out like cherries when ripe...so how can our nations develop. The enemy is ignorance that like mist over those under developed nations...

      March 21, 2011 at 6:12 pm |
  16. capnmike

    There isn't any "god". All that religious nonsense was INVENTED BY HUMANS. Things either happen or they don't. You might as well "pray" to a rock...you can say it answers your prayers when you get what you want, and that it was "rock's will" when you don't. All religion does is provide a living for an entire class of parasites and hucksters, whatever you call them, priests, rabbis, Imams, etc...who perpetuate the big lie and brainwash the young and gullible.

    March 19, 2011 at 6:26 pm |
    • Muneef


      If man did invent religion then believe in God do as God told but leave religion behind...we can not just ignore God because few had made from a religion a source of income?

      Al-Tawba sura 09:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      O ye who believe! Lo! many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks devour the wealth of mankind wantonly and debar (men) from the way of Allah. They who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah, unto them give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom, (34)

      March 19, 2011 at 8:09 pm |
    • DavidMichael

      Muneef, was to purpose to verify to us that the god of the Muslims is hateful again Jewish Rabbis and Christian priests...well done. That verse is enough to cement that Islam is just as hateful as the rest, if not more so.

      March 20, 2011 at 8:53 pm |
    • Judy Weismonger

      Absolutely correct Capn Mike....and the mroe we know about science, and cause and effect...the less there is to believe in...such as being a sinner, makes you sick. And prayer cures illness...well no it doesn't.

      Here are a bunch of other things the bible and the koran are wrong about:

      1. the earth is flat
      2. the earth is a hollow sphere
      3. the mountains act like tent pegs and hold down the earth...I assume to keep it from floating into space
      4. stars are from lights shining down from holes in the floor of heaven
      5. the sun revolves around the earth
      6. rabbits have cloven hooves
      7. women are evil and inferior
      8. (the koran)...little boys are the freshest of pearls
      9. (the koran)...women are stinking, dirty, leaking vessels
      10...sickness is caused by demons
      11. prayer can cure sickness
      12. the earth and entire universe was created in six days
      13. man was created before animals
      14. animals were created before man
      15. light shown down on the firmament before there was the sun
      16. nothing about germs is mentioned
      17. sickness can be caused to fly into the body of pigs who then are thrown over a cliff
      18. there is nothing about boiling water for sterilization
      19. there is nothing about anti biotics
      20. there is nothing mentioned about the steam engine or electricity

      And people in religion why? What exactly does religion offer? Certainly no science, or medical information to either cure people of illness or keep them from becoming ill.

      March 20, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
    • Muneef


      The verse means those in all types of religions and only gave Jews&Christians in brackets is only as an example but it does mean all those take advantage of their religious positions and their followers...so it could mean Muslims or any faith else...hope same is clarified.

      March 21, 2011 at 3:59 pm |
    • Muneef


      Not sure about what you wrote there but if really eagerly and seriously would want to discuss I'll be most obliged to help in any that is related to Quran only...but these things you wrote are very badly understood,judged and reflected...!! Are you up to the burden that you have levied upon your self with few bad words addressing God,Messengers and Holy Book's with out even trying to understand it correctly before stabbing believers with it like that ?!

      March 21, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
    • Muneef

      Find out some of what you were asking about from here if really interested and would want to give some effort...I hope...

      March 21, 2011 at 6:29 pm |
  17. Muneef


    It is not possible to perfectly translate the 99 names of Allah from their original Arabic into English. However, here are some fairly close explanations.

    "He is Allah (God), the Creator, the Originator, The Fashioner, to Him belong the most beautiful names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, do declare His praises and Glory. And He is the Exalted in Might, The Wise. (Quran 59:24)

    "The most beautiful names belong to Allah (God): so call on Him by them;..." (Quran 7:180)

    March 19, 2011 at 5:56 pm |
    • Muneef

      By reading the explanations of the 99 names of God (Allah) you would know who you are dealing with and how to understand him clearly.

      March 19, 2011 at 6:05 pm |
    • capnmike

      What absolute nonsense. I have a few names for "god"...FAKE, LIE, INVENTION, FAIRYTALE, MYTH, ...

      March 19, 2011 at 6:28 pm |
    • Muneef

      These were people who take heed and for for those in despair;

      Al-Mumtahina 60:
      O ye who believe! Be not friendly with a folk with whom Allah is wroth, (a folk) who have despaired of the Hereafter as the disbelievers despair of those who are in the graves. (13).

      March 19, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
    • Judy Weismonger

      99 names? Now that's funny....your imaginary god can be anything you want god to be....there are so many versions of god, how do we know that your version is the right one?

      March 20, 2011 at 10:34 pm |
    • Muneef


      Read,listen about all versions then you are to consult your heart and mind to make and take your decision since no one can take it for you or convince you other than your self....

      March 21, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
    • Barry

      The Bible sums up God's nature in three words: "God is love".

      "Beloved let us love one another, for God is love."

      This is found in John's first epistle.

      March 22, 2011 at 5:44 pm |
    • Muneef

      What is happening today among Muslims is above Islam which is being blamed for,for example take the wars Muslims against Muslims all through history when were kingdoms and empires.

      Recent history the hot and cold wars between sunnies and shiaa's (Iraq vs Iran)(Iraq vs Kuwait)(Yemen civil wars) and so on a list can be made ! Although we were told that the Muslim has a right against Muslims;


      What ever is happening is nothing of Islam. A Muslim calling a Muslim as infidel for having difference of opinions in between, is not of Islam...!!! What is happening is evil teachings that are non of Quran of Islam...

      Those who allowed them self to spill blood of a Muslim for any reason religious or non religious, will not mind spilling bloods of any people Muslims or non for any reason they will invent because they became as addicted as those playing it video games on play stations...
      What is happening to the world? The whole world was brainwashed with video games and play stations of making a kill by wars from street wars to army wars? Sad to see most have it as Arabs and Muslims being the enemy calling Allah Akbar with each terror move? Allah Akbar and kill the infidel was a recorded message in an imported children toy guns and pistols,the recording plays sound of shooting and back ground voice shouting these things ! Aren't such games considered as brain washing kids,teaching them violence. 
      Toy companies has marketed for violence and wars more than any other games,same was for the film industry that had added to that violence education...
      Read once about an Indian immigrant family living in America,who's young boy of theirs was addicted to a game that has a man using hooky stick to kill people...as learnt from the game he prepared the hooky stick killing his father,mother,young sister and run away back to collage pretending not to know until the neighbors smelled the rotting corpuses called the police to find rooms filled with flys....
      What generations we prepared for are the ones who we are to meet sooner or later.                     

      March 22, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
    • Tommy2Tone

      From the Sacred Text of the grand high holy rabbit of Craig, the chapter of Holy Pink Ears, 2:13:16:19:41:98.
      Listen and learn, of ye personagelet of small faithfulnessishness for yet I declare unto you this day that unless ye believe upon me and all the high rubbishness that yet is declared yet unto you for yet again yet this day, he who is coming to ride upon the clouds, unless he fall through like rain upon the earth, to wash yet again the pee from upon all the melting snow, and judge yet again the world that he made and the beings that he made by his high oopsishness mistake this time around will fry yet for trillions of eons in hellfire until they are "well done" except for those who wish to be raptured yet unto the "medium well" grouping and worship with the seraphim and little fat cherubims yet unless they decide they wish to go for a walk instead and stop this evil foolish way and get unto them into an ark which could be a bit leaky, but never mind, yet for he shall send his sacred text, and message unto thee and thine eyes shall be opened and believe upon him and see that he is a she, and definitely not an IT. For yet thus sayeth the Holy Cow, that yet "my poop does not stinketh" for yet that ye shall see thy foolishness and believe upon me and my holy book, which is now number two upon the Times best seller list, and all those who for yet do not read upon it and understand, shall yet be forever lost and sent to that great frying pan I have prepared for thee for yet since the beginning of time. Amen.

      March 24, 2011 at 5:48 am |
  18. Q

    @Vita – You claimed, "All sin is bad in Gods eyes. Thats why he says, If you broke one commandment, you broke them all. The commandments were established by God, to convict people of thier sinful ways."

    I simply pointed out that God gave a commandment and then demanded Saul break the commandment. I have read the bible (though I don't remember every chapter and verse) and my knowledge of 1 Sam doesn't come from some website. Despite your fondest irrational wishes, there is no justification for the slaughter of Amalekite children and infants, particular when this demand contradicted a very specific commandment not to commit murder. Of course, I understand that morality and empathy will always come second to your belief that blind obedience will allow you to live forever in paradise (why does that phrase sound familiar?). But please, feel free to enlighten me as to how 1 Sam 15:3 is concordant both with Exodus 20:3 and the merciful, loving God you claim to worship?

    March 19, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
    • Vita

      Q....But please, feel free to enlighten me as to how 1 Sam 15:3 is concordant both with Exodus 20:3 and the merciful, loving God you claim to worship

      1 Samuel 15:23
      23For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

      The meaning is "Rebellion is as bad as the sin of divination, and stubbornness is as bad as worshipping false gods (iniquity), and teraphim (idolatry)."

      1 Samuel 15:24
      24And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.

      God is just, and God is forgiving. But like alot of people, he disobeyed a command of God. Sound familar?

      He is a merciful loving God, Go read and find out why he did it. You may learn something.

      Who are you to question your creator (he is, regardless if you believe it or not) ? I submit what God said in Job 38:4

      Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if you have understanding.

      March 20, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
  19. Vita


    If I make it to heaven ( because I call out the right name in the end) can god go back on his word and send me to hell should I grow tired of kissing his a$s after the first billion years? Is anyone truley safe in heaven or is the threat of burning in hell always going to be there?

    >>>>>If you call out his name in the end, and you mean it with all your heart, and are truely remorseful for your sins, yes, you go to Heaven. I doubt you will ever grow tired of "kis-sing his a-$$."..nor, would you have that a-t-itude.
    Everyone will be safe in Heaven. Hell will be destroyed this time, no more Hell, a new Heaven and a new Earth will be created.
    Satan and his friends...finito. No more sin.


    In demanding the slaughter of Amalekite children and infants, God asked Saul to break his own "holy" commandment not to commit murder. When Saul failed to fully comply, God turned away because he spared Agag and the Amalekite livestock. I reject and condemn any God that demands children and infants be slaughtered

    Mayby you should study ALL of it to find out why this happened, instead of the website "The Athiest Maker".
    If you still reject God, then you shall have your place amongst unbelievers come judgement day.

    But thats right, you don't believe in any God, and so your safe. It ends at the grave for you.
    So, why are you bothering to tell me this?



    Vita: so you don't understand why you some are so "hateful towards God" or mock that in which they don't believe?

    Well, not speaking for anyone else, but... If the deluded simpletons who run their lives in accordance with ancient fairy tales and who truly believe in myths would simply stay in their little cubicles, twiddling their thumbs and wallowing in their ignorance, it's likely that they'd be ignored. However, when they start crusading about, trying to force conformity to their beliefs upon others, then they deserve all the scorn that can be mustered.


    @Praise The Lard...
    Yeah, but then agaiin, you are surpressing freedom of speech. Just because somebody posts words you don't agree with, well, ever here of "ignore"? Works wonders! Now.Go and praise your Lard!


    Keith Ward

    if the old dude that's supposed to be running things is on some kind of learning curve since he spent a few hundred millions years screwing around with big lizards until he (or maybe he didn't) decide to get rid of them all and go on to mammals, which means if you pursue this logically it's only a matter of time before we're replaced with something but my point is he or she or it or whatever could have just started out with us furry dudes to begin with. Anyway it's too much to think about it and we poor monkey relatives will never have the mental capacity to understand it.

    Now thats a long sentence. Old dude, as in "physical dude" I presume
    "screwing around with big lizards......
    "Could have just started out with us "furry dudes" to begin with..
    and we poor monkey relatives will never have the mental capacity to understand it.

    LOL LOL.....ok Keith, Just remember animals sometimes act like animals....
    Now go back and watch SpongeBob..:)



    People should wake up and take a look at what they are doing? There are many sinful things being done now that never were done before!

    ahhh...Finally...a "bright" bulb in the box!

    March 19, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
    • capnmike

      There's no such thing as "sin". It's a term used to scare you into believing that any natural impulses you might have are "evil" and make you feel guilty so you think you need one of these parasitic hucksters to clean out your "soul" (which also doesn't exist)...

      March 19, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
    • Judy Weismonger

      Attributing disasters on god is just down right funny.... and it removes human beings from being so stupid as to build on fault lines, near volcanoes, on tsunami prone coastlines...etc. How really silly....if all these people would spend their time doing research into climatology, engineering, vulcanology, or marine science...maybe they wouldn't trust in god so much and build where its safer.

      Now get this....they "trust in god"...to protect them from harm, and then build on top of a fault line or on the shore line....and then expect then are just shocked when disaster hits...and then blame these disasters on OTHER people who sin...Hahaha, this is just too funny.

      March 20, 2011 at 10:29 pm |
    • Muneef

      Hud sura 11:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      And he said: Embark therein! In the name of Allah be its course and its mooring. Lo! my Lord is Forgiving, Merciful. (41) And it sailed with them amid waves like mountains, and Noah cried unto his son – and he was standing aloof – O my son! Come ride with us, and be not with the disbelievers. (42) He said: I shall betake me to some mountain that will save me from the water. (Noah) said: This day there is none that saveth from the commandment of Allah save him on whom He hath had mercy. And the wave came in between them, so he was among the drowned. (43) And it was said: O earth! Swallow thy water and, O sky! be cleared of clouds! And the water was made to subside. And the commandment was fulfilled. And it (the ship) came to rest upon (the mount) Al-Judi and it was said: A far removal for wrongdoing folk! (44).

      March 21, 2011 at 6:49 pm |
    • albert

      This is a perfect example of twisting the scriptures, and spreading lies about God and what the Bible really says.

      March 29, 2011 at 7:32 am |
    • humbleservant

      Death is not the end, we are not meant to live on earth forever.......... Worldly death is not cruel or unkind it is just a reality. We all die when it's our time................. This life is only a short journey. We are not supposed to hold onto this world like it's some sort of treasure....the real treasure awaits us.

      It's funny how much importance we put on our lives here on earth when it really matters not. Now, what happens after we die........that's VERY important..... Just a little something to think about.

      March 29, 2011 at 9:50 am |
  20. Muneef


    March 19, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
    • albert

      The problems on this earth are caused by man and not God. Man has free will and has many many bad decisions. For example, if you build a city in an area known for flooding, prone to earthquakes/tsunamis, near nuclear plants, is it God's fault? No, it was mans foolish decision. It's kind of like jumping off of a building and then blaming God for gravity. You know what gravity does so you respect that particular law.

      Also, the teaching of eternal torment is a lie and is not taught in the Bible (much like Christmas, Easter, etc.). Once again, man needs to blame himself for teaching lies about the Bible and God.

      March 29, 2011 at 7:29 am |
    • Muneef

      Agree with you man corruptions to earth has caused those adverse reactions to happen....and at that time/hour God promised believers of good deeds savior will promised disbelievers doom...

      March 31, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
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