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March 25th, 2011
05:59 PM ET

'Good against evil' in Iowa

By Kevin Bohn, CNN Senior Producer

Washington (CNN) - Several potential Republican candidates emphasized various themes important to social conservatives – a key constituency in Iowa – during speeches there at a conference of several hundred pastors.

On Thursday night, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee told the Rediscover God in America event, held in West Des Moines, that the country is in a battle pitting good against evil.

"I pray that God will raise up spiritual warriors who will say America will not fall – that we will not let this nation fall to the hands of those that will enslave us. This battle is one that pits good against evil. There are things that are right and there are things that are wrong and the great battle that we will live or die by to preserve this nation is one in which we identify and then we fight for until the last breath – that there are some things that are holy and pure and that are just," he said.

"I still want you to understand fully that the greatness of this nation and the hope and future of this nation is not dependent on who we elect in a human position as much as it is that the pastors of this nation on their faces before God then on their feet before their people bring fire to their pulpits and bring revival to this great land and remind us whose people we are and we say we will never fall again," he told the group.

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  1. JohnR

    Huckabee, like Ashcroft and Bennett before him, is blind to his own evil and all the more evil because of it. I'd take Palin over Huckabee at this point.

    March 26, 2011 at 10:35 am |
  2. AtheistSteve

    Lawrence Krauss has an excellent lecture called "A Universe From Nothing". Basically what it boils down to is that the universe has a net energy(remember that energy and matter are interchangable) of zero. This makes sense if you think about it since most of the universe is empty space and that the atoms that comprise matter are also nearly entirely empty space. There is for the most part absolutely nothing here. And the fabric of space itself is not really empty. We know this because virtual particles flit in and out of existence and account for the evaporation of black holes as described by Stephen Hawking. The negative energy of the "empty void" of space balances against the condensed positve energy(matter) of the visible universe to a net total of zero. Granted this hypothesis is only a model, but it is founded on solid mathematics and observations of the cosmos. I don't for one second think theists will accept any of this as they have their minds closed to even the possibilty of a godless universe whereas I'm willing to concede the possibilty of a deist creator(albeit unlikely given no credible evidence).

    March 26, 2011 at 9:42 am |
  3. AtheistSteve

    America is not a christian nation...it's a nation with a select group who are christian. We do not live in a theocracy...thankfully. The founding fathers knew this when they drafted the consti.tution. Many of them were deists and thought christianity and its views were anathema to a secular polital structure. You have every right to your religious beliefs. You have no right to impose your beliefs on the rest of us.

    March 26, 2011 at 8:34 am |
  4. JohnR

    Huckabee is a genuinely horrible human being.

    March 26, 2011 at 8:13 am |
  5. Frederica

    Christians must continue to fight to protect innocent lives including unborn humans, to stop mockery of marriage by saving society's sanity and to spread genuine knowledge of truth on everything. Oncoming blasphemies and their destruction have been already prophesied in the Bible.

    March 26, 2011 at 7:49 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Like I said above...you keep on believing that drivel. There isn't anything even remotely conected to truth in your bible. Educate yourself or remain ignorant.

      March 26, 2011 at 8:22 am |
    • Cher

      I did google, Reality (thanks) and I came across something very interesting. Can any body give answers to these questions? I am going to post a link, so anybody that wants can read more.
      This is written by a former athiest, who came to realise he could no longer be an athiest, because as he searched using his "scientific" reasoning, he discovered that there had to be God.

      I found the questions very thought provoking...and am looking forward to comments that are able to dispute his conclusions.

      http://www.doesgodexist.org/Pamphlets/Mansproof.html
      THE BEGINNING (A Challenge for Athiests)

      The purpose of this brief study is to offer a logical, practical, pragmatic proof of the existence of God from a purely scientific perspective. To do this, we are assuming that we exist, that there is reality, and that the matter of which we are made is real. If you do not believe that you exist, you have bigger problems than this study will entail and you will have to look elsewhere.

      THE BEGINNING

      If we do exist, there are only two possible explanations as to how our existence came to be. Either we had a beginning or we did not have a beginning. The Bible says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Genesis 1 :1). The atheist has always maintained that there was no beginning. The idea is that matter has always existed in the form of either matter or energy; and all that has happened is that matter has been changed from form to

      form, but it has always been. The Humanist Manifesto says, "Matter is self-existing and not created," and that is a concise statement of the atheist's belief.

      The way we decide whether the atheist is correct or not is to see what science has discovered about this question. The picture below on the left represents our part of the cosmos. (Access picture thru the link)
      Each of the disk shaped objects is a galaxy like our Milky Way. All of these galaxies are moving relative to each other. Their movement has a very distinct pattern which causes the distance between the galaxies to get greater with every passing day. If we had three galaxies located at positions A, B. and C in the second diagram below, and if they are located as shown, tomorrow they will be further apart. The triangle they form will be bigger. The day after tomorrow the triangle will be bigger yet. We live in an expanding universe that gets bigger and bigger and bigger with every passing day.

      Now let us suppose that we made time run backwards! If we are located at a certain distance today, then yesterday we were closer together. The day before that, we were still closer. Ultimately, where must all the galaxies have been? At a point! At the beginning! At what scientists call a singularity!

      A second proof is seen in the energy sources that fuel the cosmos. The picture to the right is a picture of the sun. Like all stars, the sun generates its energy by a nuclear process known as thermonuclear fusion. Every second that passes, the sun Sun Image compresses 564 million tons of hydrogen into 560 million tons of helium with 4 million tons of matter released as energy. In spite of that tremendous consumption of fuel, the sun has only used up 2% of the hydrogen it had the day it came into existence. This incredible furnace is not a process confined to the sun. Every star in the sky generates its energy in the same way. Throughout the cosmos there are 25 quintillion stars, each converting hydrogen into helium, thereby reducing the total amount of hydrogen in the cosmos. Just think about it! If everywhere in the cosmos hydrogen is being consumed and if the process has been going on forever, how much hydrogen should be left?

      Suppose I attempt to drive my automobile without putting any more gas (fuel) into it. As I drive and drive, what is eventually going to happen? I am going to run out of gas I If the cosmos has been here forever, we would have run out of hydrogen long ago! The fact is, however, that the sun still has 98% of its original hydrogen. The fact is that hydrogen is the most abundant material in the universe! Everywhere we look in space we can see the hydrogen 21 cm line in the spectrum_a piece of light only given off by hydrogen. This could not be unless we had a beginning!

      A third scientific proof that the atheist is wrong is seen in the second law of thermodynamics. In any closed system, things tend to become disordered. If an automobile is driven for years and years without repair, for example, it will become so disordered that it would not run any more.
      Getting old is simple conformity to the second law of thermodynamics. In space, things also get old. Astronomers refer to the aging process as heat death. If the cosmos is "everything that ever was or is or ever will be," as Dr. Carl Sagan is so fond of saying, nothing could be added to it to improve its order or repair it. Even a universe that expands and collapses and expands again forever would die because it would lose light and heat each time it expanded and rebounded.

      The atheist's assertion that matter/energy is eternal is scientifically wrong. The biblical assertion that there was a beginning is scientifically correct.

      THE CAUSE

      If we know the creation has a beginning, we are faced with another logical question_was the creation caused or was it not caused? The Bible states, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Not only does the Bible maintain that there was a cause_a creation_but it also tells us what the cause was. It was God. The atheist tells us that "matter is self-existing and not created." If matter had a beginning and yet was uncaused, one must logically maintain that something would have had to come into existence out of nothing. From empty space with no force, no matter, no energy, and no intelligence, matter would have to become existent. Even if this could happen by some strange new process unknown to science today, there is a logical problem.

      In order for matter to come out of nothing, all of our scientific laws dealing with the conservation of matter/energy would have to be wrong, invalidating all of chemistry. All of our laws of conservation of angular momentum would have to be wrong, invalidating all of physics. All of our laws of conservation of electric charge would have to be wrong, invalidating all of electronics and demanding that your TV set not work!! Your television set may not work, but that is not the reason! In order to believe matter is uncaused, one has to discard known laws and principles of science. No reasonable person is going to do this simply to maintain a personal atheistic position.

      The atheist's assertion that matter is eternal is wrong. The atheist's assertion that the universe is uncaused and selfexisting is also incorrect The Bible's assertion that there was a beginning which was caused is supported strongly by the available scientific evidence.

      THE DESIGN

      If we know that the creation had a beginning and we know that the beginning was caused, there is one last question for us to answer–what was the cause? The Bible tells us that God was the cause. We are further told that the God who did the causing did so with planning and reason and logic. Romans 1:20 tells us that we can know God is

      "through the things he has made." The atheist, on the other hand, will try to convince us that we are the product of chance. Julian Huxley once said:

      We are as much a product of blind forces as is the falling of a stone to earth or the ebb and flow of the tides. We have just happened, and man was made flesh by a long series of singularly beneficial accidents.

      The subject of design has been one that has been explored in many different ways. For most of us, simply looking at our newborn child is enough to rule out chance. Modern-day scientists like Paul Davies and Frederick Hoyle and others are raising elaborate objections to the use of chance in explaining natural phenomena. A principle of modern science has emerged in the 1980s called "the anthropic principle." The basic thrust of the anthropic principle is that chance is simply not a valid mechanism to explain the atom or life. If chance is not valid, we are constrained to reject Huxley's claim and to realize that we are the product of an intelligent God.

      March 26, 2011 at 8:41 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Cher
      All this guy discovered was that we don't know what occured at the beginning of the universe. No other conclusion can be made since we don't have any evidence. Simply plugging god into the equation does nothing to further our understanding. This is the same old tired god of the gaps argument. Also nobody is claiming that something came from nothing or that the energy at the beginning has always existed. To claim either is to make an assumption without evidence. Our universe may have erupted like a single bubble from a froth of multiverses. The statement before the universe itself makes no sense since time is a property of the fabric of the universe, not external to it. In any case the god hypothesis is just that...a hypothesis and even if it were true that some external creative force (call it god) were responcible it still doesn't equate to the personal god described in the bible. It would merely indicate a deist god that in itself begs the question of what created it(infinite regression) It all boils down to the the desperate fear of mortality that theist refuse to accept. Without the promise of an afterlife the whole concept of god is meaningless. It is the height of arrogance to presume that man is somehow exempt from the finallity of death. To base such presumptions on the advice of primitive cultures lacking any scientific knowledge is gulliblilty of the highest order.

      March 26, 2011 at 9:18 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Cher

      Your Post: First Proof
      "If we do exist, there are only two possible explanations as to how our existence came to be. Either we had a beginning or we did not have a beginning. The Bible says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Genesis 1 :1). The atheist has always maintained that there was no beginning. The idea is that matter has always existed in the form of either matter or energy; and all that has happened is that matter has been changed from form to form, but it has always been. The Humanist Manifesto says, "Matter is self-existing and not created," and that is a concise statement of the atheist's belief.
      The way we decide whether the atheist is correct or not is to see what science has discovered about this question. The picture below on the left represents our part of the cosmos. (Access picture thru the link)
      Each of the disk shaped objects is a galaxy like our Milky Way. All of these galaxies are moving relative to each other. Their movement has a very distinct pattern which causes the distance between the galaxies to get greater with every passing day. If we had three galaxies located at positions A, B. and C in the second diagram below, and if they are located as shown, tomorrow they will be further apart. The triangle they form will be bigger. The day after tomorrow the triangle will be bigger yet. We live in an expanding universe that gets bigger and bigger and bigger with every passing day.
      Now let us suppose that we made time run backwards! If we are located at a certain distance today, then yesterday we were closer together. The day before that, we were still closer. Ultimately, where must all the galaxies have been? At a point! At the beginning! At what scientists call a singularity!"

      Re: First Proof

      If we rewound the position of the Heavenly bodies, we would arrive back at a time, when everything was contained in a singularity. One question to ask, is how many times have we been at this point? If there is enough matter in the universe, the expansion will one day stop and then reverse. All of the matter of the universe would again collapse into a singularity. This could have happened once or a billion times. If there is not enough mass, then the universe will continue to expand until the forces can no longer hold things together.
      Fundies say their god has either always existed, or is self-creating. Hmm...

      Your Second Proof:
      A second proof is seen in the energy sources that fuel the cosmos. The picture to the right is a picture of the sun. Like all stars, the sun generates its energy by a nuclear process known as thermonuclear fusion. Every second that passes, the sun Sun Image compresses 564 million tons of hydrogen into 560 million tons of helium with 4 million tons of matter released as energy. In spite of that tremendous consumption of fuel, the sun has only used up 2% of the hydrogen it had the day it came into existence. This incredible furnace is not a process confined to the sun. Every star in the sky generates its energy in the same way. Throughout the cosmos there are 25 quintillion stars, each converting hydrogen into helium, thereby reducing the total amount of hydrogen in the cosmos. Just think about it! If everywhere in the cosmos hydrogen is being consumed and if the process has been going on forever, how much hydrogen should be left?

      Re: Second Proof

      The process has been going on for something like 14.5 billion years. That's is the approximate age of the universe. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. About 3/4 of all matter is comprised of hydrogen. There is a lot of it.
      Scientist have discovered many stars (suns) that have fused most of their hydrogen into helium. Our sun is about 4.6 billion years old. It will one day use up all of its hydrogen (In about 4.6 billion years). Sort of sad huh?

      Your Third Proof:
      A third scientific proof that the atheist is wrong is seen in the second law of thermodynamics. In any closed system, things tend to become disordered. If an automobile is driven for years and years without repair, for example, it will become so disordered that it would not run any more.
      Getting old is simple conformity to the second law of thermodynamics. In space, things also get old. Astronomers refer to the aging process as heat death. If the cosmos is "everything that ever was or is or ever will be," as Dr. Carl Sagan is so fond of saying, nothing could be added to it to improve its order or repair it. Even a universe that expands and collapses and expands again forever would die because it would lose light and heat each time it expanded and rebounded.

      Re: Third Proof

      The universe is a closed system. No additional energy is introduced. The universe, in total, is headed toward chaos. But, the universe is only about 14.5 billion years old.

      But, there are many isolated areas in the universe that are open systems. Take our earth for instance. The earth is receiving energy from the sun, and will do so for the next 4.6 billion years or so. That is why evolution could occur.

      A big bang, big crunch cycle, cannot be commented on. We simply don't know if this has or will occur. Depends on the amount of matter in the universe. You should note that at the singularity, the laws of physics do not apply. Time, as we know it, does not apply. Speaking of energy gained or lost is bogus.

      Your claim for THE CAUSE:
      "If we know the creation has a beginning, we are faced with another logical question_was the creation caused or was it not caused? The Bible states, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Not only does the Bible maintain that there was a cause_a creation_but it also tells us what the cause was. It was God."

      We don't know that creation has a beginning. You are assuming that god exists and that the bible is the word of god. If everyone believed that, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Right? LOL

      You said: "The atheist tells us that "matter is self-existing and not created." If matter had a beginning and yet was uncaused, one must logically maintain that something would have had to come into existence out of nothing. From empty space with no force, no matter, no energy, and no intelligence, matter would have to become existent. Even if this could happen by some strange new process unknown to science today, there is a logical problem.
      In order for matter to come out of nothing, all of our scientific laws dealing with the conservation of matter/energy would have to be wrong, invalidating all of chemistry. All of our laws of conservation of angular momentum would have to be wrong, invalidating all of physics. All of our laws of conservation of electric charge would have to be wrong, invalidating all of electronics and demanding that your TV set not work!! Your television set may not work, but that is not the reason! In order to believe matter is uncaused, one has to discard known laws and principles of science. No reasonable person is going to do this simply to maintain a personal atheistic position."

      Newtonian physics does not control the universe; quantum mechanics and Einsteinian relativity do.
      There are many well-respected physicists, such as Lawrence Krauss, Victor Stenger, Michio Kaku, Robert A.J. Matthews, and Nobel laureate Frank Wilczek, who have created scientific models where the entire universe could arise from nothing but quantum indeterminacy or another universe — via natural processes – NO GOD REQUIRED.

      Your comment on THE DESIGN:
      "The subject of design has been one that has been explored in many different ways. For most of us, simply looking at our newborn child is enough to rule out chance."

      Yeah, unless that child is born without a brain or some other horrid birth defect.

      You said: " Modern-day scientists like Paul Davies and Frederick Hoyle and others are raising elaborate objections to the use of chance in explaining natural phenomena. A principle of modern science has emerged in the 1980s called "the anthropic principle."

      Your argument is dumb.

      Fact is, the universe really isn't very congenial towards life, as 99.999% of the observed universe is uninhabitable.

      Vic Stenger in his book God: The failed hypothesis, quotes a private communication with Martin Wagner in which he points out that:
      "In fact, the whole argument from fine-tuning ultimately makes no sense. As my friend Martin Wagner notes, all physical parameters are irrelevant to an omnipotent God. 'he could have created us to live in a hard vacuum if he wanted.'"

      Life (us), conformed to the what the earth offered us. There is no evidence, that the earth conformed to our needs. LOL

      Cheers!

      March 26, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
    • Quag

      @ David Johnson, well done my friend. It's amazing that these tired arguments are still spouted by people of faith. I wish they would be honest with themselves and admit that they believe because it feels good. I would gladly accept that answer because it removes the threat of mixing religion and science in the classroom and to some extent it takes away their percieved moral superiority. Rather, they go through mental gymnastics to rationalize their faith.

      March 27, 2011 at 10:13 am |
    • Hank

      Frederica how many children have you adopted? If you get ra-ped you have to marry your ra-p-ist.

      March 28, 2011 at 11:35 am |
  6. AtheistSteve

    (sigh) Heavensent and frederica can flounder in their ignorance for all I care, they can't directly affect policy like the bufoons in the republican party. By seeking to make policy changes to things they find disagreable according to their bible they are the ones limiting human rights. News flash morons...you already have the right to NOT get an abortion or NOT have a gay wedding or NOT learn anything useful about nature and reality. I for one have no wish to be limited by your bronze age sensibilities. Everything you claim and all your threats of eternal damnation are nothing but vapor. The god of the christain bible is a petulant tyrannical monster that far from being worshipped deserves to be despised...if it were real, which of course it is not.

    March 26, 2011 at 7:28 am |
    • No One Is Safe

      couldn't have said it better, m'self!

      March 26, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
  7. Frederica

    LoneZero, if you don't use your brain properly, you'll be always a slave to another human being. Jesus came to deliver you from your self-imposed slavery to sin.

    March 26, 2011 at 6:12 am |
    • LoneZero

      Frederica, if you don't use your brain properly, you'll be always a slave to a religion. Using your brain can deliver you from your self-imposed slavery to religion. (see I can do it too =) )I know my history better then you do and governing by the bible or by one religion does not work and never will. We our the best in the US because we have the best in everything (as I've said before). Hopefully you will see that and one day accept others who don't agree, worship, believe, or anyone who is just flat out different from you and love them like your bible tells you so. Instead of all this hate and negativity for anyone who doesn't believe at all or doesn't believe in your religion.

      March 26, 2011 at 10:20 pm |
  8. Frederica

    EvolvedDNA, were you called Newjoke at CNN anytime? I'm sad I cannot talk to him anymore. He probably doesn't know I'm here...

    March 26, 2011 at 5:58 am |
  9. T-party

    Good against evil. what a concept...I am against stealing K-illing cheating lying deception harming others for no reason. I am agnostic. if a God exists I believe he is about Good not about religion. Not about what geographical area you were born into. Not about the name you call God........I think if a God exists he is about Good over evil

    March 26, 2011 at 12:48 am |
    • Frederica

      T-party, your personal preference defines nothing in this world including the attributes of God. Read God's self-revelation in the Bible. He made it a little difficult so that narcissits won't get it.

      March 26, 2011 at 1:58 am |
    • Frederica

      T-party, you made a good point on "God is Good." And He prevails over evil. Theologically, evil is corruption of good. You can know God by reading His word, the Bible. Ask God to to allow you to know Him personally. Jesus loves you and waits for you to return to Him in repentance.

      March 26, 2011 at 2:04 am |
  10. Reality

    Summarizing it all for the Iowa faithful:

    Saving 1.5 billion lost Muslims:
    There never was and never will be any angels i.e. no Gabriel, no Islam

    Saving 2 billion lost Christians to include the Republican "wannabee" presidents:
    :
    There was and never will be any bodily resurrections i.e. No Easter, no Christianity

    Saving 15.5 million Orthodox followers of Judaism:

    Abraham and Moses are myths.

    Added details upon request.

    March 25, 2011 at 11:29 pm |
    • Ethos with pathos

      Oh fun, more copy/paste. i bet more is coming soon.

      March 25, 2011 at 11:30 pm |
    • Reality

      Some things need to be "hammered" home in order to eliminate 2000 years of the Christian Three B Syndrome.

      To wit:

      Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:

      Adulterous preachers, priest and preacher ped-ophia, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      March 26, 2011 at 8:23 am |
  11. Cher

    Can anybody answer this??
    What the process was, by which the original life–the original living cells upon the earth–came into existence. How did the structure or generation of DNA occur?

    March 25, 2011 at 10:58 pm |
    • Reality

      Cher,

      Google or Bing DNA evolution to get over one million references.

      e.g. http://www.allaboutcreation.org/dna-evidence-for-evolution-faq.htm

      March 25, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Cher.. are you talking about abiogenesis, there is info on it on the net.. lots of technical information and interesting articles . Just Google "abiogenesis"

      March 25, 2011 at 11:53 pm |
    • Frederica

      Cher, those websites and "abiogenesis" answer nothing. It's just getting back to the original question why there is something instead of nothing. I wonder why atheists are this stupid.

      March 26, 2011 at 2:07 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Cher, Jesus' Truth found in His letter (the Bible) he wrote to all of us ...

      I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

      Revelation 1:8

      I am the Lord [Yehvah], who makes all things, who stretches out the heavens all alone, who spreads abroad the earth by Myself; who frustrates the signs of the babblers, and drives diviners mad; who turns wise men backward, and makes their knowledge foolishness.

      Isaiah 44:24-25

      Amen.

      March 26, 2011 at 3:50 am |
    • Reality

      "Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[30] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [31]

      Martin Luther "found it an offensive piece of work" and John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."[32]

      March 26, 2011 at 8:25 am |
  12. LoneZero

    America is great because we have a melting pot of race, idea, faith (or lack of), freedoms and rights found no where else. Our own founding fathers have said that "America is in no way founded on Christian beliefs" That is why there is an admendment in our const-itution that gives freedom of religion.

    March 25, 2011 at 9:33 pm |
    • Frederica

      @LoneZero, the concept of freedom does not exist outside of Christianity. You secular Americans are the most history-ignorant people on earth.

      March 26, 2011 at 5:41 am |
    • LJ

      @Frederica LOL! America is one of the greatest countries on the planet but yet you think it's founded by ignorant people. LOL! Christians like you is what is wrong with this planet, you are doing nothing but pushing others from God because you are setting such a poor example of Jesus teachings.

      March 28, 2011 at 8:52 am |
  13. Frederica

    America is good because of its Christianity. Secularism is a toxic trash polluting the planet.

    March 25, 2011 at 9:26 pm |
    • LJ

      What you are not considering is that there are numerous religions on this planet, including in America. We can not conduct our gov't based solely on one religion, that would be discrimination. What is trashing our planet is those that are not tolerant of people who are different than them. Prejudice and bigotry has no place in a civil society or in religion.

      March 28, 2011 at 8:45 am |
  14. LoneZero

    There was a time when slavery was encouraged and enforced by quotes from the bible, the only diffidence is the const-itution by design can be amended or removed like slavery was, sadly those quotes are still in the bible and unchanged. I agree with Tallulah13 when said "The const.itution should be the highest law for any government office-holder in this country" privately worship freely but in public take care of everyone regardless of faith or lack of. Using our bill of rights and our const-itution to legislate fairly, you can't legislate fairly with a bible.

    March 25, 2011 at 9:24 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Jesus' truth stands for eternity. Man will come and go and it depends on whether he wants eternity or not. Jesus obliges all their desires. Love and follow Him (truth) and you shall dwell with Him for eternity. Love and follow satan (the liar and deceiver of all) and you go into the eternal flames. No eternity for satan and no eternity for all those that follow him.

      Amen..

      March 26, 2011 at 3:41 am |
  15. Frederica

    Amen to Mr. Huckabee. This is the time real Christians in America pray mingled with tears and sufferings and shine with righteousness like bright stars in the darkness. They represent the hope of all nations, not just USA.

    March 25, 2011 at 8:41 pm |
    • tallulah13

      I have no objection to you praying, but please don't try to legislate your belief. America has a secular government by design, to keep us all equal and to protect all our rights of "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness."

      March 25, 2011 at 9:00 pm |
    • PraiseTheLard

      I fixed it for you:

      "They represent the self-delusion of all nations, not just USA."

      March 25, 2011 at 9:07 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Frederica, the darkness is attracted to the light. Get miffed and have a temper tantrum because the light doesn't rub off on them as they slink back to the darken dungeons that encapsulate those that slither.

      Oh, when will they learn to humble themselves to the Lord, Jesus Christ and ask Him for forgiveness of their sinful, slimy ways and ask that they can get closer to Him because they don't want to be sent to the eternal flames and be blotted out? No eternity for them.

      Peace.

      March 25, 2011 at 9:20 pm |
    • Allah Akhbar

      Oh, when will they learn to humble themselves to the Lord, Allah and ask Him for forgiveness of their sinful, slimy ways and ask that they can get closer to Him because they don't want to be sent to the eternal flames and be blotted out? No eternity for them.

      Oh, when will they learn to humble themselves to the Lord, Thor and ask Him for forgiveness of their sinful, slimy ways and ask that they can get closer to Him because they don't want to be sent to the eternal flames and be blotted out? No eternity for them.

      Oh, when will they learn to humble themselves to the Lord, Kali and ask Him for forgiveness of their sinful, slimy ways and ask that they can get closer to Him because they don't want to be sent to the eternal flames and be blotted out? No eternity for them.

      Oh, when will they learn to humble themselves to the Lord, Quetzalcoatl and ask Him for forgiveness of their sinful, slimy ways and ask that they can get closer to Him because they don't want to be sent to the eternal flames and be blotted out? No eternity for them.

      March 25, 2011 at 10:55 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      heavensent.. many bugs are also attracted by light..shine the light of evidence on Christanity and you will see very that Christianity is indeed holely

      March 26, 2011 at 12:03 am |
    • Frederica

      EvolvedDNA, yes, the bugs are atheists and the lights are Christians. What an accurate picture. Evo-, if you become Christian, you will be with your favorite people forever. Work your brain, please. You love Christians too much.

      March 26, 2011 at 2:10 am |
    • Frederica

      @Tall-13: Don't forget America is "one nation under God" and the God is God of the Bible. Secularism or brainless happiness-seekers could not have conceived any noble concepts America is standing for. It's all from Judeo-Christian values, no other. You secular guys are just ruining a great Christian nation by pollution.

      March 26, 2011 at 2:14 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Evolved, I notice you constantly have to write to Christians trying to get the light rubbed off on you. You have to do it by humbling yourself. I'll stop there because your ego will go into a tizzy/tilt/you loose.

      Amen.

      March 26, 2011 at 3:34 am |
  16. tallulah13

    What an anti-American load of drivel. Huckabee should be ashamed of himself. The const.itution should be the highest law for any government office-holder in this country. He can believe what he wants in private, but church and state were separated by our founding fathers for a very good reason.

    March 25, 2011 at 7:07 pm |
    • Reed Forrester

      There was a time when slavery was permitted by the const.itution, and one president claimed that even torture is permitted, as long as you define it as not-torture. The const,itution permits rich people and corporations to give "campaign funds" to office-holders in exchange for tax loopholes. So you're saying this is all perfectly OK just because it is const.itutional? Believe me, there are higher laws of morality and ethics that take precedence over the const.itution.

      Of course, it would be nice if we could agree on what they are.

      March 25, 2011 at 7:34 pm |
    • PeterVN

      Reed, the Christian buybull still supports slavery. And worse. Shall we get into that?

      March 25, 2011 at 8:24 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Peter, why don't you move to another country. Any country. Live there for a few years then come home and appreciate the USA.

      What a brat. All your complaints and you haven't done anything yet. Get a job. Move out of your parents house and give them some peace.

      March 25, 2011 at 8:29 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Ack! Moderation!

      Yes, the consti-tution as well as the bill of rights are the primary source of law in this nation. They are remarkable doc-uments, created by remarkable people. It's up to us as American citizens to use and amend these doc-uments in order to keep our nation just and fair. Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't but it is better to have these protections than to not have them. No politician should put his personal faith before the law of the land. It's that simple.

      If you want to change the world, get off the internet and do something. Feel free to come up with something better. Viable, realistic improvements are always welcome. Wishful thinking and declarations of "It's not fair!" are generally useless.

      March 25, 2011 at 8:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The laws of this land are being changed by the weenies. Satan wants to wipe out all of God's truth for satan is a liar and are laws are being perverted.

      Amen.

      March 26, 2011 at 3:30 am |
  17. HeavenSent

    For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

    1 Corinthians 1:21

    For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

    1 Corinthians 1:22

    Amen.

    March 25, 2011 at 6:38 pm |
    • Larry

      Great. Reading from a book of fairy tales and expecting that to convince those of us who know it is a book of fairy tales.

      March 25, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Larry, it doesn't take much to figure out you folks are full of yourself and anti-social towards society. Hey, there is an island in Dubai you can go live on. I'm sure within a few storms, you'll be washed away.

      March 25, 2011 at 7:00 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      .heavensent.. Talking about islands..do you remember the TV program they made about the Christian Island that some shipwrecked people landed on.. .. Gullible s island... were you on it perchance.

      March 25, 2011 at 11:45 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ghee evolvednot, you were a shark in those waters too.

      LOL

      March 26, 2011 at 3:28 am |
    • Frederica

      HeavenSent and EvolvedDNA, sometimes your conversations are too funny!!! This was good! EvolvedDNA, we love you in Jesus. I really hope and pray you'll get saved. Jesus loves you.

      March 26, 2011 at 5:45 am |
  18. PeterVN

    Belief such as Huckabee's in an imaginary friend in the sky, for which there is no supporting evidence and mountains of opposing evidence, ought to disqualify anyone from being a candidate for the presidency. Sadly, that would have even disqualified Obama. These are sad days for the nation.

    March 25, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
    • Reed Forrester

      Curious. Have you actually seen mountains of opposing evidence? The last I knew you couldn't prove the non-existence of God, but I've seen plenty of evidence that there is a spiritual world.

      March 25, 2011 at 7:23 pm |
    • BMeinecke

      God doesn't live in the sky. There are mountains of "proofs" for God - all are debateable. There is nothing that disproves God as you can't prove a negative. Belief in God is a gift from God - to those of us who feel God's presance in our daily lives your lack of belief makes you seem like a cripple to us. To you, we seem like children who believe in a fairy tail. I tell my children there are two questions that they need to answer for themselvs. 1) Is there a life after death? And 2) Is there a God. To me the answer seems obvious as it does to you, though we would answer differently. To you I will say, we live in a free country that has and NEEDS TO CONTINUE to have a distinct seperation between church and state. What will you say to me?

      March 25, 2011 at 8:12 pm |
    • PeterVN

      Reed, there is indeed a mountain of evidence against a god with the characteristics that the buybull claims, and zero evidence for the existence of such a divine being. Furthermore, the Christian buybull is not even self-consistent.

      It's just shocking that anyone in modern times is stupid and ignorant enough to think that buybull Christian god exists. That's all.

      And your "evidence for a spiritual world" is what, exactly? Cite a single incontrovertible piece of evidence. I call BS on your claim.

      March 25, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Hey Peter. Scriptures were written for you years ago for those that have no eyes to see, nor ears to hear. No faith.

      For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

      1 Corinthians 1:22

      Amen.

      March 25, 2011 at 8:32 pm |
    • No One Is Safe

      @BMeinecke- to you i will say "you are not my enemy". yes, you and i will answer those questions differently, but the fact that you are not threatened by my different answers, nor wish to attempt to force me to answer them as you do, means that i have no problem with you. i only wish that your brothers and sisters in faith were as open-minded as you seem to be. though it may be irritating to you to read some of the rhetoric that comes from the atheists that would paint you in negative terms by association, i can assure you that such rhetoric is not intended to be hurtful to *you*, personally... the point of such rhetoric really boils down to "hey, ever heard of 'live and let live'??", and since you seem to already grasp that concept, you are therefore not the target.

      March 26, 2011 at 2:22 pm |
    • No One Is Safe

      @BMeinecke – case in point: this whackjob "heavensent" is exactly the sort who would attempt to force everyone to believe as he/she/it does... a perfect example of the scourge of modern society... god save us all from "believers" like heavensent!!

      March 26, 2011 at 2:28 pm |
  19. Ron

    A translation of Huckabee's comment...Us against them. Typical conservative Christian jiberish. The U.S. is a secular society, where religion does not rule the country but for conservative Christians, it has become a war of trying to bring the country back under their influence and beliefs. It is time to move past their beliefs and reaffirm that we are a country where no specific religion rules and that we are a country comprised of many peoples. They are still welcome to be a part of society but the country will not be based off of their beliefs. I, for one, do not want the U.S. governed by anyone's beliefs, including mine.

    March 25, 2011 at 6:09 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Baloney Ron. You're following the lies of satan if you want to destroy all of God's truth. You may not believe this, but you are, whether you are conscious of this or not. Doesn't matter. Your beliefs are not His truth. It is tilted, off center aka evil as satan is.

      Amen.

      March 26, 2011 at 4:05 am |
    • Kjcube

      @Heavensent

      ...that's a particularly odd comment to say amen to, but... whatever floats your boat.

      March 27, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
  20. aerie

    Ugh...I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. Their rhetoric is so nauseating.

    March 25, 2011 at 6:03 pm |
    • ScottK

      Agreed. the line "we will not let this nation fall to the hands of those that will enslave us." is about as ridiculous as it gets. So what he's claiming is that to allow g ay marriage, equal rights for women and ethnic groups in the workplace, standing up for the middle class vs corporate america, unions, support for a woman right to choose to have a baby all amounts to being enslaved? I'm sorry, but denying our rights to any of those personal choices is the real slavery that needs to be battled.

      March 25, 2011 at 7:58 pm |
    • Ron

      ScottK,
      I agree completely! Out of one side of his mouth he states they will not be enslaved but out of the other side comes the idea that if everyone is enslaved to their views and religious beliefs, well, that's ok because they 'know' that's what god supports.

      March 25, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
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