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Muslim Americans on edge
March 27th, 2011
01:00 AM ET

In key American Muslim enclave, alienation is growing

Editor’s note: The original version of this story omitted the fact that the attorney for Roger Stockham, who was charged with making terrorist threats against a Dearborn mosque, says his client is a Muslim convert.

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Madison Heights, Michigan (CNN) - Dawud Walid asked the worshipers for a show of hands: How many had heard about the Muslim radicalization hearings in Washington earlier that day?

About half of the 50 or so Muslims in the banquet hall-turned-mosque indicated that they had.

So Walid, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations’ Michigan chapter, briefed the other half about the hearing, calling it an “unfortunate first in American history.”

Then he went further, warning about what he said were a handful of growing threats to American Muslims.

“As we approach the 10th anniversary of September 11, we are seeing unprecedented acts of Islamophobia,” Walid told the worshipers at the American Islamic Community Center, 10 miles north of Detroit.

“After 9/11, it was coming from a few right-wingers,” he said. “But now, in 2011, we’re seeing it from Congress.”

Walid went on to tell the congregation that a dozen states - from Georgia to Missouri to New Mexico - are considering bans on Sharia, or Islamic law, and warned that such bans could lead to prohibitions on women wearing the hijab, or headscarf, and even on Muslims worshiping Allah.

“Praying five times a day is Sharia,” he said. “Do you go to jail for that?”

As one of the largest and oldest Muslim enclaves in the nation - and, with its century-old ties to Ford Motor Co., one that’s intimately bound up in the modern American story - the metro Detroit community is perhaps as close as one can get to the soul of American Islam.

At a time when the country is wrestling with its views on Islam, the faith causes relatively little friction in the largely Arab cocoon of southeast Michigan.

But narratives playing out in the national media, from the radicalization hearings spearheaded by New York Republican Rep. Peter King to the wave of proposed Sharia bans to anticipation of the September 11 anniversary, have left many Muslims here feeling ostracized in their own country.

The community is growing more defensive in the face of what many here say is a national climate of suspicion reminiscent of the period immediately after the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

In response to what he called “a spike in anti-Muslim bigotry,” Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Illinois, is holding a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing Tuesday on “measures to protect the rights of American Muslims.”

Witnesses will include Roman Catholic Cardinal Theodore McCarrick - the former archbishop of Washington - and the top civil rights officials from the administrations of Barack Obama and George W. Bush.

On this Thursday night, however, worshipers at the American Islamic Community Center echoed the embattled tone of the guest speaker from Center for American-Islamic Relations.

Hadir Ghazala, a 49-year-old Iraqi immigrant in a black-and-white polka-dot hijab, said she’d been turned down for jobs at local salons because she refused to remove her headscarf.

Mohammed Elzhemni, 39, bemoaned what he called a growing national stereotype of Muslims as terrorists.

“These people raise their families and work hard,” he said, gesturing to a cluster of small children chasing each other across the mosque’s faux marble floor. “I’m a manager at GM and work to make the country better. This is the true face of Islam.”

At a time when King and others are alleging that radical American Muslims pose an under-acknowledged threat to national security, a popular refrain among Detroit-area Muslims is that they’re the ones under attack.

The sentiment is especially acute at the Islamic Center of America, which calls itself the nation’s largest mosque.

This year, police said they thwarted an explosives attack on the house of worship in Dearborn, just west of Detroit city limits. In January, police arrested a man in the center’s parking lot in a car they said was packed with fireworks.

Police said the suspect, Roger Stockham, drove to Dearborn from California. He faces two felony charges carrying maximum sentences of up to 20 years.

The arrest provoked state and local law enforcement agencies to urge the 70,000-square-foot mosque to bolster security and develop a new emergency response plan.

“We’ve never had an incident like that, where we were targeted by someone who wanted to do us harm based on who we are,” said Kassem Allie, the center’s executive administrator.

To Allie, the incident is evidence that some Americans are being radicalized against Islam, turning the allegation of growing Muslim radicalization on its head.

“The suspect was apparently radicalized quite some time ago,” Allie said. “And there are other instances of radicalization that are of great concern to us.

“I have no problem addressing Islamic radicalization,” he said, monitoring the mosque's security cameras from a computer screen in his ground-floor office. “But there should be an acknowledgment that other communities have the same problem.”

Indeed, a common complaint around Dearborn, the epicenter of southeast Michigan’s Muslim community, is that the only time religion is mentioned in a crime story is when the suspect is Muslim.

“When Timothy McVeigh did his bombing, we didn’t investigate or blame Christianity,” said Al Machy, 32, referring to the 1995 attack on a federal building in Oklahoma City that left 168 dead.

Machy works behind the counter at the Golden Bakery on Warren Avenue, a miles-long Dearborn strip lined with halal butchers, hookah bars, Lebanese restaurants and locally owned groceries with names like Baghdad Market and Sahara West. Signs for most businesses are in Arabic.

“Every day, there are hundreds of rapes and murders, and they never put the words 'Christian' or 'Jewish' in the story,” said Machy, an Iraqi refugee who arrived in the U.S. after the Gulf War.

Unlike most such crimes, in which religion doesn’t appear to be an issue, recent instances of homegrown terrorism - such as 2009’s Fort Hood shooting and last year’s failed Times Square bomb plot - were allegedly carried out in the name of Islam.

But many Muslims around Dearborn say those cases garner inordinate news attention while recent attacks against Muslim Americans, including the defacing and burning of mosques, are largely neglected.

According to the Justice Department, there were 107 anti-Muslim hate-crime incidents in 2009, the most recent year for which statistics are available, compared with 28 such incidents in 2000.

After a sharp spike in 2001, when there were 481 anti-Muslim hate crime incidents, there have since been fewer than 200 such incidents annually, though there were generally fewer than 50 in the years before 2001.

Muslim advocacy groups, including the Council on American-Islamic Relations, say they have seen a more recent uptick in anti-Muslim threats and violence.

Officials at the Islamic Center of America, which draws about 1,200 worshipers for Friday prayers, say local law enforcement encouraged them to take a low-key public stance on the January explosives arrest. Authorities wanted to avoid inspiring copycat attacks or reprisals, mosque officials said.

The mosque issued a news release after the suspect’s arrest but limited its interviews with the media. Chuck Alawan, 80, a founding board member of the mosque, has some regrets about the mosque keeping relatively quiet about the incident.

“You never hear about all the threats against mosques,” Alawan said in the thick Midwestern accent of a lifelong Michigan resident.

“I was born in this country, and I have never felt persecuted,” he said. “But it’s getting close to that.”

As Alawan spoke, a surveyor from the Michigan Department of Transportation was setting up equipment on the mosque’s lawn as part of a “vulnerability study” after the January incident.

Last week, the Islamic Center of America learned that the Florida pastor who triggered an international firestorm last year by threatening to burn the Quran would take part in an April protest at the mosque.

The protest against "Sharia and Jihad" is scheduled for Good Friday, two days before Easter.

"It is necessary that we set very clear lines for Muslims that are here in America,” Terry Jones, the Florida pastor, said in a statement Wednesday announcing his plans to protest at the Dearborn mosque. "If they desire to change our Constitution, in other words to institute Sharia, then these Muslims are no longer welcome in our country."

Officials at the Islamic Center of America are still deciding how to respond, though they are leaning toward a Good Friday counter-event that would bring together religious leaders of different backgrounds to encourage tolerance and interfaith dialogue.

"For us to try to fight fire with fire like in this case - to fight hate with hate - is really unproductive and actually destructive," said Allie, the mosque's executive administrator. "Under different circumstances, we'd welcome a dialogue with Terry Jones or other detractors, but it's got to be civilized."

Developments like the mosque protest have some local law enforcement officials sympathizing with growing Muslim anxiety.

Dearborn Police Chief Ronald Haddad is among them. He estimates that he has received 10,000 anti-Muslim “hate e-mails,” some calling him a “Taliban police chief” or alleging that he’s persecuting Christians.

The senders assume he’s Muslim because of his last name, Haddad says, even though he’s a Christian of Lebanese descent.

Like Alawan and Haddad, many Arab-Americans in the area trace their local roots back generations. The first big wave of Middle Easterners arrived in southeast Michigan around 1910 to man Henry Ford’s automobile plants in Highland Park and Dearborn.

Those immigrants were mostly Christians from the area that is now Lebanon but was then part of the Ottoman Empire.

“Ford seemed to think that that this particular segment of the empire was industrious and productive and a good source of cheap labor,” said Saeed Khan, a lecturer in Islamic history, politics and culture at Wayne State University in Detroit.

Khan said Ford also favored immigrants from that region because, unlike some other groups, they tended to be light-skinned.

After the defeated Ottoman Empire was carved up at the end of World War I, Christians were given favored status in the newly created Lebanon, provoking more Muslims to exit the region. Some wound up in new Arab strongholds like metro Detroit.

“Especially after Henry Ford announced the $5 workday, (immigrants) would get off the train in Detroit looking for work, and police would pick them up and take them to Ford’s Rouge plant to apply,” Dearborn Mayor John O’Reilly said, referring to a huge Dearborn manufacturing facility that opened in the 1920s.

Today, southeast Michigan’s Muslim population is estimated at nearly half a million, Khan said. Though there are larger Muslim populations in New York and Southern California, there are few places in the country with such a heavy concentration of Muslims.

“Once Henry Ford established that community, it had a pull effect and became an epicenter of Arab life,” Khan said. “It was influenced by employment opportunities and the availability of resources like mosques and schools.”

Though Dearborn retains its Lebanese flavor, the area’s Muslim community includes many immigrants from India, Pakistan, Yemen and elsewhere, along with a growing Eastern European contingent and many African-Americans.

The historic Muslim presence here helps explain why local allegations of Islamophobia are pretty rare - and why Haddad, the police chief, suspects that most of his anti-Muslim e-mail is from outsiders.

Zeinab Dbouk-Chaayto, a recent immigrant from Lebanon, says that she was the only woman donning a hijab when she took classes recently at Madonna University, a Catholic school in Livonia, just west of Dearborn, but that no one gave her any trouble.

The school’s conservative culture jibed with her Muslim values. “There’s no partying and no alcohol,” she said, adding that administrators in a school office where she worked even threw her a baby shower and a birthday party.

Local law enforcement officials, for their part, say they strengthened ties to greater Detroit’s Muslim leadership after September 11, launching a program called Bridges to create an ongoing dialogue between those leaders and the FBI, state and local law enforcement, and other government agencies.

“Sometimes, there’s a relative who feels that someone in the family might be doing things that probably aren’t in the long-term best interest of the country, and they want to bring that forward,” said O’Reilly, the Dearborn mayor, explaining the program.

“But they don’t want to be responsible for throwing a family member in jail,” he said. “There’s a delicacy to that, so they have a dialogue about where people can bring this stuff forward.”

Haddad, the Dearborn police chief, said the Bridges program helped create a parents’ task force to combat gang activity in the city’s Yemeni community. That move contributed to an 11% drop in crime in the heavily Yemeni South End neighborhood last year, he said.

At the same time, many Muslims around Dearborn are convinced that they are under government surveillance, exacerbating feelings of alienation.

Sitting with friends at the Islamic Center of America, Alawan says, they often joke that law enforcement has the mosque’s phones tapped and its rooms bugged.

“The agencies will deny it,” he said. “But we know they’re doing it.”

The suspicion was given credence after FBI agents killed a Muslim cleric in an October 2009 raid in Dearborn.

The charges against the imam, Luqman Ameen Abdullah - which included mail fraud and the illegal possession and sale of firearms - were based on information from three confidential FBI informants who’d infiltrated Abdullah’s mosque.

The case raised the specter of government spies in other Dearborn area mosques and prompted a 2010 letter of protest from Michigan Democratic Rep. John Conyers to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.

“People of all faiths should be free to worship without undue fear that the person in the next pew is a government agent,” Conyers wrote, invoking the FBI’s wiretapping of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. as a regrettable precedent for such surveillance.

Many Muslims around Dearborn find it ironic that what they see as a growing suspicion of Muslims in America comes at a time when much of the Arab world, from Tunisia to Egypt to Libya, is rising up against despotic leaders and demanding more U.S.-style freedoms.

“While the Islamic world is rising up against dictatorship, dishonesty, deception and corruption … America should show solidarity with people who are looking for dignity and democracy,” Imam Mohammad Ali Elahi told hundreds of worshipers at recent Friday prayers at the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights, a mosque situated across the street from Henry Ford Community College.

“That’s not the right time to bring another wave of Islamophobia and ignorance,” he said, blasting the King hearings of the previous day. “It is so dangerous to provoke people who are ready to commit hate crimes with this kind of wrong information.”

Elahi wasn’t referring to the danger of inciting Muslim radicals to commit terrorism against the United States. The threat, in his eyes, is that Americans will be provoked to terrorize Muslims.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Islam • Michigan • Muslim

soundoff (3,082 Responses)
  1. ScarletSwan

    Cff

    March 28, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
  2. john

    The problem is the Koran is ammenable to violent interpretation...because of the text. Also, many Muslims are very strict, their culture, politics, traditions and lifestyle is defined by a strict interpretation of their religion. Most Americans don't want to live in a country which abides by Muslim/Sharia law. Muslims are welcomed here if they assimilate. We should not go to the middle east and expect them to honor or laws, customs and traditions either.

    March 28, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
  3. Dan (a different one)

    Correction: That should be Adams, not Madison.

    March 28, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
  4. me

    Well well well.
    I see that everyone just became a true religious scholar.
    Here is how it hours in your brain.
    You make an assumption
    You look up something online, even not true as long at it matches your assumption.
    You post it online
    Some other dummy one approves of it
    Then the next
    Then you got the sheep mentality. The followers

    Here it is simple:
    They're is one god
    Allah is god
    Jesus is a prophet
    He if not the son of god

    March 28, 2011 at 12:49 pm |
    • cnn134

      i know it is hard to imagine how God loves us no one said that God gave birth to jesus that is not christianity, yes we believ God is one unless you belive you are more than one human in your self, you have a body, brain and soul from God, that tells you what is right and what is wrong that what seperats you from dead people, when you lose your soul you be dead a body with no soul, that exactely what we believe, God created us in his image, when we say the Son we refer to God's wisdom the " logos" in ancient Greek, which means the word ( wisdom) exactely as he created us, how many times your conciuos wanted to do something and your body refused, for example you wanted to pray and your body said no I am tired, is that make you 3 humans not one, God created us on his image, we do not say that jesus was a human turned into a God , is not God powerfull enough who created our bodies to take a body himself and show in a body so we can see him and he can save us, are we as humans not important to who created us to come himself and give us the truth to keep sending messangers instead, he is not powerfull enough to come to us while still controlling the world, another example would be the sun, the sun itself, its light and its heat is that 3 different suns or one, if you look around you you will find that God himself revealed the truth in most of the things he created himself, on the other hand why as powerfull as God is will ask you humans to fight each other and kill his own creatures , other humans if they do not believe in islam , he is not powerfull enough to do it himself and wants you to get rid of his enemies in killing not muslims? may God open every one's heart and eyes to the truth.

      March 28, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
  5. Hypatia

    And the end result of all this navel picking will be the usual hate and intolerance that makes humans such a delightful species.

    March 28, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
  6. Dan

    “When Timothy McVeigh did his bombing, we didn’t investigate or blame Christianity,” said Al Machy, 32, referring to the 1995 attack on a federal building in Oklahoma City that left 168 dead.

    That's because McVeigh was an agnostic, who was not religiously motivated

    March 28, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
    • RezPause

      McVeigh was a monster, but he didn't perform his deed in the name of God. His actions didn't attract and motivate masses of uneducated poor aspiring to do the same. Contrast that with the Sept 11 bombers, Al Queda, Tahliban, etc...

      March 28, 2011 at 2:01 pm |
  7. WVlady63

    It has NOTHING to do with phobias. Sharia Law is taking hold in America and all of the politically correct are welcoming it with open arms. THIS IS AMERICA, WE HAVE AMERICAN LAWS, NOT SHARIA LAWS!!!! I personally think that each one of you out there who thinks muslims are NOT trying to take over America should step up AND ADOPT A COUPLE MILLION TO TAKE CARE OF!

    March 28, 2011 at 12:31 pm |
  8. Shavarim7

    Food for thought. All humanity, save the children below age of accountability and in innocence, will stand before the Creator to give account for their lives. The Creator sees all and knows all. Let those who are without sin, offense, cast the first stones. The mystery of the Creator is not finished, hence Revelation, something is to be revealed. Romans 10:25 "For I would not brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits..." . "Wo be unto him that shall say, We have recieved the word of God, and we need no more word of God, for we have enough. For behold, thus saith the Lord God: I will give unto the children of men line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little: And blessed are they that hearken unto my precepts, and lend ear to my counsel, for they shall learn wisdom." Therefore God has dispersed his wisdom among the nations to confound the mighty. All is God's. Seek and search with all your heart, here a little, there a little... " And I shall also speak unto all the nations of the earth, and they shall write it" Seek. "For unto him that recieveth, I will give more".. .from your Native American sister, one of the scattered and oppressed tribes of Israel.. in whose land ye now possess..."The testimony of two nations shall run together, that the Lord may prove all nations".....Seek..

    March 28, 2011 at 11:54 am |
  9. Doc Vestibule

    "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    I don't recall the line that says "But only if they're christian and white."

    March 28, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • doughnuts

      Based on what we're getting these days, that part of the Statue of Liberty should be replaced with a "No Vacancy" sign. Keep your huddled masses. We have enough hungry people already.
      You want a chance to make a better life for yourself and your family? Do it where you live now.

      March 28, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
    • RezPause

      Looking at that poem pragmatically, one would have to ask "why exactly do we want other nations' refuse?!"

      March 28, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
  10. COUNTRYCOOK

    Did you notice when asked where the money came from for such a large compound with just two hundred family's the Imam still DIDN'T answer he just said we had a fund raiser. We know Mr Muslim but with who and where ?

    March 28, 2011 at 10:43 am |
  11. shreays

    No Muslims are good ... it doesn't matter from which muslmim country they are ....at the end they are here in this world to kill others and force their stupid religious beleives on others ..
    Remove all muslim mosques from this country otherwise there will be another big tragedy will happen

    March 28, 2011 at 10:16 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @shreays
      Now replace the word "muslim" with "christian" and you'll understand how middle-eastern countries feel about you.
      Your enemy is never a villain in his own mind. Keep this in mind and it may offer you a way to make him your friend.

      March 28, 2011 at 10:53 am |
  12. Capricorn

    F$%^ all religions. Let us all unite under the banner of humanity and get rid of this religion which has become a business.

    March 28, 2011 at 7:07 am |
  13. ***dude***

    @check1: what u said is sooooo stupid, it deserves no response.

    March 28, 2011 at 5:04 am |
  14. Frederica

    Thorrsman, I agree with you. Someone should help this guy, "Reality."

    March 28, 2011 at 4:16 am |
  15. Bah!

    You want to know why the muslims are 'alienated'?

    They live in an 'enclave'.

    @ Reality
    Don't let the detractors derail you. Keep up the fight.

    Regards,
    honestanon

    March 28, 2011 at 3:48 am |
  16. Bah!

    You want to know why the muslims are being 'alienated'?

    They live in an 'enclave'.

    @ Reality
    Don't let the detractors derail you. Keep up the fight.

    Regards,
    honestanon

    March 28, 2011 at 3:46 am |
  17. michael gonyea

    The American middle is muddled when it comes to Islam.

    http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-detroit/islam-america-the-muddled-middle

    March 28, 2011 at 3:32 am |
  18. Donna

    Garrick Harris

    "This only purpose Islam has in America is to end Christianity and bring Shari Law to America. Tell me where in the world have you people not destroyed societies. We must stop Islam and close all Mosque' in America. Tell me where does Islam co-exist with Christianity? No where! Islam is the only evil in the world today. We as a Christian free society must no allow your lies."

    Mr. Harris,
    I will be as respectful as I possibly can......Where does Islam exist with Christianity????? Are you Serious??? Well lets see, where do christians go for pilgramage of their faith???? Maybe JERUSALEM! where not only Christians, Muslims and believe it or not Jews all live on the same street with their Holy places of worship. It is the politics that cause the problems and of course ignorance such as yours. I do apologize for sounding just a bit harsh but yet again we have "Ignorance breeding Ignorance"

    March 28, 2011 at 3:08 am |
    • muslimheart

      Donna, I am an american born white christian raised now muslim convert of 22 yrs. I have lived in numerous middle Eastern nations under Sharia Law as a christian and as a muslim. I have spent several yrs studying World Religion and History and now teach it at the University level. I also travel all over the U.S. and Middle East giving lectures and symposiums of religious intolerance and the West, which is why I can truthfully and intellectually say that you are so wrong in your knowledge and understanding of Islam and its followers. There have been so many lies, rumors and false information spewed out in the western news media about what Sharia Law is and is not, by fear mongers like some of the ones on here. WE, the muslim women of the world, are not abused, oppressed, nor are we denied any of our rights period. It is our choice to cover our faces or hair. Islam is not your enemy, we do not want to kill you or take over the world either. The best way to educate yourself to the the truth is to go out into your community and engage the muslims there in real mature dialogue and ask the questions and here it from them and stop beleiving the others around you who by their own choice continue to woller in hate, biggotry and intolerance out of fear and paranoia

      March 28, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • cnn134

      to muslim heart do you deny yourself that if you wanted to go back to christianity now you should be killed yourself by Islam? i do not know what intolernce you talking about ?

      March 29, 2011 at 1:10 am |
  19. TheCrescentDirective

    This is the solution to improving the image of Islam in America. The Crescent Directive, the story of how The Miss USA Pageant, Thanksgiving Dinner, and Little League will save Islam in America.

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Crescent-Directive/194901420539015?sk=info

    March 28, 2011 at 2:25 am |
    • B(iraq) Hussein Osama

      Miss USA = so christian = so non-islam
      might as well open some "muslim bars"
      bars and beauty paegents go hand in hand

      March 28, 2011 at 8:47 am |
  20. SealDad

    I have a Mosque in my neighborhood, I have no problem with muslims... maybe we can convert them to the truth. I am a Christian a true believer in Jesus Christ and millions of muslims are converted every year to Christianty at the fear of death in most muslim countries and least we won't kill em if they convert to Christ in America.

    March 28, 2011 at 2:20 am |
    • Up Your Rear Admiral

      If you are dumb enough to believe in one particular sky fairy story, with no evidence whatsoever for it, chances are that you are a good candidate for believing in another.

      Hope your seal pup is smarter than you are though. Maybe he'll have a chance of escaping religion altogether.

      March 28, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
    • path

      You're an idiot!!!!

      March 28, 2011 at 1:40 pm |
    • Dolce21

      SealDad good for you, believe with all my heart what you say!

      March 28, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
    • cnn134

      God Bless you a big difference between the nice way you wrote your comments and the way those non belivers comments responded to you that also proves a point again God bless you.

      March 28, 2011 at 1:48 pm |
    • Joe

      Maybe instead of congressional hearings on protecting Muslims, congress should be more focused on protecting jobs in this country. Every day more and more jobs are being lost despite what CNN likes to report.

      March 28, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
    • The voice of truth

      @Up Your Rear Admiral – The proof lies in you. No programmer would expect that a complex code would write its self. Even with the latest and greatest computers with the best compilers would someone expect that meaningful code would begin to just write its self. And if computers could be programmed to randomly generate their own useful code there was a mind behind the code that created this process in the first place. The proof is in you, DNA is the most complex code known to man. You and I are made in the image of the one that created us. If you think you are an accident then you are in fact the one that lives and believes in the unreal wold of your own imagination. Know the truth, you are wonderfully made, God loves you and He wants a relationship with you. He loved you so much that He sent His son to die for you. What other "made up" God do you know of that loves you this much that He would sacrifice in this way for you personally?

      March 28, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
    • Up Your Rear Admiral

      @"Voice of Truth" (voice of lies is what you are, actually), your "arguments" are old, tired, and wrong. Go read about natural selection. Then read it again. And rinse and repeat, until you actually understand it. At present, you do not.

      So this "omnipotent" god of yours made a "sacri-fice"? Maybe you want to think about how that would be possible. Hint: It isn't. Your religious beliefs are based on a total farce.

      March 28, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
    • groovygoober

      Ignore idiots like that rear admiral doofus (although it's probably a fitting screen name).

      March 28, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • groovygoober

      so "admiral", where's your proof that God, or a God doesn't exist? You believe it because you read it on the internet? Lol.

      Trust me when I say people of far, far, far higher intelligence than you have been searching for the answer to this for a very long time and to date, NO one has been able to prove anything, one way or the other.

      So, it is faith. Faith in your belief, one way or the other, which makes neither side any better or worse than the other for the sake of argument or pointing fingers. However, to continue make mockery of one side only makes you look like a fool.

      March 28, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
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