Muslim Americans on edge
March 27th, 2011
01:00 AM ET

In key American Muslim enclave, alienation is growing

Editor’s note: The original version of this story omitted the fact that the attorney for Roger Stockham, who was charged with making terrorist threats against a Dearborn mosque, says his client is a Muslim convert.

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Madison Heights, Michigan (CNN) - Dawud Walid asked the worshipers for a show of hands: How many had heard about the Muslim radicalization hearings in Washington earlier that day?

About half of the 50 or so Muslims in the banquet hall-turned-mosque indicated that they had.

So Walid, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations’ Michigan chapter, briefed the other half about the hearing, calling it an “unfortunate first in American history.”

Then he went further, warning about what he said were a handful of growing threats to American Muslims.

“As we approach the 10th anniversary of September 11, we are seeing unprecedented acts of Islamophobia,” Walid told the worshipers at the American Islamic Community Center, 10 miles north of Detroit.

“After 9/11, it was coming from a few right-wingers,” he said. “But now, in 2011, we’re seeing it from Congress.”

Walid went on to tell the congregation that a dozen states - from Georgia to Missouri to New Mexico - are considering bans on Sharia, or Islamic law, and warned that such bans could lead to prohibitions on women wearing the hijab, or headscarf, and even on Muslims worshiping Allah.

“Praying five times a day is Sharia,” he said. “Do you go to jail for that?”

As one of the largest and oldest Muslim enclaves in the nation - and, with its century-old ties to Ford Motor Co., one that’s intimately bound up in the modern American story - the metro Detroit community is perhaps as close as one can get to the soul of American Islam.

At a time when the country is wrestling with its views on Islam, the faith causes relatively little friction in the largely Arab cocoon of southeast Michigan.

But narratives playing out in the national media, from the radicalization hearings spearheaded by New York Republican Rep. Peter King to the wave of proposed Sharia bans to anticipation of the September 11 anniversary, have left many Muslims here feeling ostracized in their own country.

The community is growing more defensive in the face of what many here say is a national climate of suspicion reminiscent of the period immediately after the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

In response to what he called “a spike in anti-Muslim bigotry,” Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Illinois, is holding a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing Tuesday on “measures to protect the rights of American Muslims.”

Witnesses will include Roman Catholic Cardinal Theodore McCarrick - the former archbishop of Washington - and the top civil rights officials from the administrations of Barack Obama and George W. Bush.

On this Thursday night, however, worshipers at the American Islamic Community Center echoed the embattled tone of the guest speaker from Center for American-Islamic Relations.

Hadir Ghazala, a 49-year-old Iraqi immigrant in a black-and-white polka-dot hijab, said she’d been turned down for jobs at local salons because she refused to remove her headscarf.

Mohammed Elzhemni, 39, bemoaned what he called a growing national stereotype of Muslims as terrorists.

“These people raise their families and work hard,” he said, gesturing to a cluster of small children chasing each other across the mosque’s faux marble floor. “I’m a manager at GM and work to make the country better. This is the true face of Islam.”

At a time when King and others are alleging that radical American Muslims pose an under-acknowledged threat to national security, a popular refrain among Detroit-area Muslims is that they’re the ones under attack.

The sentiment is especially acute at the Islamic Center of America, which calls itself the nation’s largest mosque.

This year, police said they thwarted an explosives attack on the house of worship in Dearborn, just west of Detroit city limits. In January, police arrested a man in the center’s parking lot in a car they said was packed with fireworks.

Police said the suspect, Roger Stockham, drove to Dearborn from California. He faces two felony charges carrying maximum sentences of up to 20 years.

The arrest provoked state and local law enforcement agencies to urge the 70,000-square-foot mosque to bolster security and develop a new emergency response plan.

“We’ve never had an incident like that, where we were targeted by someone who wanted to do us harm based on who we are,” said Kassem Allie, the center’s executive administrator.

To Allie, the incident is evidence that some Americans are being radicalized against Islam, turning the allegation of growing Muslim radicalization on its head.

“The suspect was apparently radicalized quite some time ago,” Allie said. “And there are other instances of radicalization that are of great concern to us.

“I have no problem addressing Islamic radicalization,” he said, monitoring the mosque's security cameras from a computer screen in his ground-floor office. “But there should be an acknowledgment that other communities have the same problem.”

Indeed, a common complaint around Dearborn, the epicenter of southeast Michigan’s Muslim community, is that the only time religion is mentioned in a crime story is when the suspect is Muslim.

“When Timothy McVeigh did his bombing, we didn’t investigate or blame Christianity,” said Al Machy, 32, referring to the 1995 attack on a federal building in Oklahoma City that left 168 dead.

Machy works behind the counter at the Golden Bakery on Warren Avenue, a miles-long Dearborn strip lined with halal butchers, hookah bars, Lebanese restaurants and locally owned groceries with names like Baghdad Market and Sahara West. Signs for most businesses are in Arabic.

“Every day, there are hundreds of rapes and murders, and they never put the words 'Christian' or 'Jewish' in the story,” said Machy, an Iraqi refugee who arrived in the U.S. after the Gulf War.

Unlike most such crimes, in which religion doesn’t appear to be an issue, recent instances of homegrown terrorism - such as 2009’s Fort Hood shooting and last year’s failed Times Square bomb plot - were allegedly carried out in the name of Islam.

But many Muslims around Dearborn say those cases garner inordinate news attention while recent attacks against Muslim Americans, including the defacing and burning of mosques, are largely neglected.

According to the Justice Department, there were 107 anti-Muslim hate-crime incidents in 2009, the most recent year for which statistics are available, compared with 28 such incidents in 2000.

After a sharp spike in 2001, when there were 481 anti-Muslim hate crime incidents, there have since been fewer than 200 such incidents annually, though there were generally fewer than 50 in the years before 2001.

Muslim advocacy groups, including the Council on American-Islamic Relations, say they have seen a more recent uptick in anti-Muslim threats and violence.

Officials at the Islamic Center of America, which draws about 1,200 worshipers for Friday prayers, say local law enforcement encouraged them to take a low-key public stance on the January explosives arrest. Authorities wanted to avoid inspiring copycat attacks or reprisals, mosque officials said.

The mosque issued a news release after the suspect’s arrest but limited its interviews with the media. Chuck Alawan, 80, a founding board member of the mosque, has some regrets about the mosque keeping relatively quiet about the incident.

“You never hear about all the threats against mosques,” Alawan said in the thick Midwestern accent of a lifelong Michigan resident.

“I was born in this country, and I have never felt persecuted,” he said. “But it’s getting close to that.”

As Alawan spoke, a surveyor from the Michigan Department of Transportation was setting up equipment on the mosque’s lawn as part of a “vulnerability study” after the January incident.

Last week, the Islamic Center of America learned that the Florida pastor who triggered an international firestorm last year by threatening to burn the Quran would take part in an April protest at the mosque.

The protest against "Sharia and Jihad" is scheduled for Good Friday, two days before Easter.

"It is necessary that we set very clear lines for Muslims that are here in America,” Terry Jones, the Florida pastor, said in a statement Wednesday announcing his plans to protest at the Dearborn mosque. "If they desire to change our Constitution, in other words to institute Sharia, then these Muslims are no longer welcome in our country."

Officials at the Islamic Center of America are still deciding how to respond, though they are leaning toward a Good Friday counter-event that would bring together religious leaders of different backgrounds to encourage tolerance and interfaith dialogue.

"For us to try to fight fire with fire like in this case - to fight hate with hate - is really unproductive and actually destructive," said Allie, the mosque's executive administrator. "Under different circumstances, we'd welcome a dialogue with Terry Jones or other detractors, but it's got to be civilized."

Developments like the mosque protest have some local law enforcement officials sympathizing with growing Muslim anxiety.

Dearborn Police Chief Ronald Haddad is among them. He estimates that he has received 10,000 anti-Muslim “hate e-mails,” some calling him a “Taliban police chief” or alleging that he’s persecuting Christians.

The senders assume he’s Muslim because of his last name, Haddad says, even though he’s a Christian of Lebanese descent.

Like Alawan and Haddad, many Arab-Americans in the area trace their local roots back generations. The first big wave of Middle Easterners arrived in southeast Michigan around 1910 to man Henry Ford’s automobile plants in Highland Park and Dearborn.

Those immigrants were mostly Christians from the area that is now Lebanon but was then part of the Ottoman Empire.

“Ford seemed to think that that this particular segment of the empire was industrious and productive and a good source of cheap labor,” said Saeed Khan, a lecturer in Islamic history, politics and culture at Wayne State University in Detroit.

Khan said Ford also favored immigrants from that region because, unlike some other groups, they tended to be light-skinned.

After the defeated Ottoman Empire was carved up at the end of World War I, Christians were given favored status in the newly created Lebanon, provoking more Muslims to exit the region. Some wound up in new Arab strongholds like metro Detroit.

“Especially after Henry Ford announced the $5 workday, (immigrants) would get off the train in Detroit looking for work, and police would pick them up and take them to Ford’s Rouge plant to apply,” Dearborn Mayor John O’Reilly said, referring to a huge Dearborn manufacturing facility that opened in the 1920s.

Today, southeast Michigan’s Muslim population is estimated at nearly half a million, Khan said. Though there are larger Muslim populations in New York and Southern California, there are few places in the country with such a heavy concentration of Muslims.

“Once Henry Ford established that community, it had a pull effect and became an epicenter of Arab life,” Khan said. “It was influenced by employment opportunities and the availability of resources like mosques and schools.”

Though Dearborn retains its Lebanese flavor, the area’s Muslim community includes many immigrants from India, Pakistan, Yemen and elsewhere, along with a growing Eastern European contingent and many African-Americans.

The historic Muslim presence here helps explain why local allegations of Islamophobia are pretty rare - and why Haddad, the police chief, suspects that most of his anti-Muslim e-mail is from outsiders.

Zeinab Dbouk-Chaayto, a recent immigrant from Lebanon, says that she was the only woman donning a hijab when she took classes recently at Madonna University, a Catholic school in Livonia, just west of Dearborn, but that no one gave her any trouble.

The school’s conservative culture jibed with her Muslim values. “There’s no partying and no alcohol,” she said, adding that administrators in a school office where she worked even threw her a baby shower and a birthday party.

Local law enforcement officials, for their part, say they strengthened ties to greater Detroit’s Muslim leadership after September 11, launching a program called Bridges to create an ongoing dialogue between those leaders and the FBI, state and local law enforcement, and other government agencies.

“Sometimes, there’s a relative who feels that someone in the family might be doing things that probably aren’t in the long-term best interest of the country, and they want to bring that forward,” said O’Reilly, the Dearborn mayor, explaining the program.

“But they don’t want to be responsible for throwing a family member in jail,” he said. “There’s a delicacy to that, so they have a dialogue about where people can bring this stuff forward.”

Haddad, the Dearborn police chief, said the Bridges program helped create a parents’ task force to combat gang activity in the city’s Yemeni community. That move contributed to an 11% drop in crime in the heavily Yemeni South End neighborhood last year, he said.

At the same time, many Muslims around Dearborn are convinced that they are under government surveillance, exacerbating feelings of alienation.

Sitting with friends at the Islamic Center of America, Alawan says, they often joke that law enforcement has the mosque’s phones tapped and its rooms bugged.

“The agencies will deny it,” he said. “But we know they’re doing it.”

The suspicion was given credence after FBI agents killed a Muslim cleric in an October 2009 raid in Dearborn.

The charges against the imam, Luqman Ameen Abdullah - which included mail fraud and the illegal possession and sale of firearms - were based on information from three confidential FBI informants who’d infiltrated Abdullah’s mosque.

The case raised the specter of government spies in other Dearborn area mosques and prompted a 2010 letter of protest from Michigan Democratic Rep. John Conyers to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.

“People of all faiths should be free to worship without undue fear that the person in the next pew is a government agent,” Conyers wrote, invoking the FBI’s wiretapping of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. as a regrettable precedent for such surveillance.

Many Muslims around Dearborn find it ironic that what they see as a growing suspicion of Muslims in America comes at a time when much of the Arab world, from Tunisia to Egypt to Libya, is rising up against despotic leaders and demanding more U.S.-style freedoms.

“While the Islamic world is rising up against dictatorship, dishonesty, deception and corruption … America should show solidarity with people who are looking for dignity and democracy,” Imam Mohammad Ali Elahi told hundreds of worshipers at recent Friday prayers at the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights, a mosque situated across the street from Henry Ford Community College.

“That’s not the right time to bring another wave of Islamophobia and ignorance,” he said, blasting the King hearings of the previous day. “It is so dangerous to provoke people who are ready to commit hate crimes with this kind of wrong information.”

Elahi wasn’t referring to the danger of inciting Muslim radicals to commit terrorism against the United States. The threat, in his eyes, is that Americans will be provoked to terrorize Muslims.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Islam • Michigan • Muslim

soundoff (3,082 Responses)
  1. Frederica

    I think the Founding Fathers would have rather Muslims than hedonists or atheists in America.

    March 27, 2011 at 8:34 am |
    • Jason

      Believe it or not this country was founded by atheist. Im atheist myself. Although I can explain why, its still sad that people shut other people out because other religions. Over all were suppose to love each other. We have one planet. We much all work together if we want progress.

      March 27, 2011 at 8:46 am |
    • aginghippy

      Like THIS founding father?:

      "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity."

      Or THIS one?:
      "In no instance have the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people." – James Madison

      Or THIS one?:
      " The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity." – John Adams

      Or THIS one?:
      "Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." – Benjamin Franklin


      -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

      March 27, 2011 at 8:51 am |
    • jim

      Why don't you read about the founding of this country before you make such stupid comments!

      March 27, 2011 at 8:52 am |
    • tapu

      Oh, really, Frederica? If you think the Founding Fathers' intention was to exclude any belief group, then you need to take some remedial American history classes.

      March 27, 2011 at 8:52 am |
    • Frederica

      All you uneducated secular Americans. Read the Declaration of Independence. USA was found so that people can freely worship God and spread Christianity into all the world.

      March 27, 2011 at 8:55 am |
    • Edward

      You mean founding fathers like Benjamin Franklin? But he was athiest.

      March 27, 2011 at 9:02 am |
    • Non-supernaturalist

      The Founding Fathers were a lot closer to being atheists than you realize, my historically illiterate friend. (Deists, actually. Every evangelical I know would be comfortable dismissing them "not real Christians".) And thanks for further alienating another already alienated group of Americans who serve their country, obey the law, and pay their taxes. (Ever heard of Pat Tillman?) Not believing in the supernatural is not a moral failing.

      March 27, 2011 at 9:04 am |
    • Jason

      @aginghippy EXACTLY!!!!!!! and 'IN GOD WE TRUST" WASN'T ON THE COINS OR AMERICAN DOLLAR.In God We Trust was adopted as the official motto of the United States in 1956. It is also the motto of the U.S. state of Florida. The phrase has appeared on U.S. coins since 1864 and on paper currency since 1957 after religious groups complained and rallied about it.

      March 27, 2011 at 9:10 am |
    • Jason

      @Frederica!!!!! Guess what also? Pledge of allegiance didn't have 'UNDER GOD' till 1954! 🙂 OH and guess what!? Declaration of Independence , ORIGINAL rejected religion!!!!! Whos un educated again ? here are some more quotes. Religion and the Law

      Thomas JeffersonIf a sect arises whose tenets would subvert morals, good sense has fair play and reasons and laughs it out of doors without suffering the State to be troubled with it.
      - Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

      The declaration that religious faith shall be unpunished does not give immunity to criminal acts dictated by religious error.
      - Thomas Jefferson, to James Madison, 1788. ME 7:98

      If anything pass in a religious meeting seditiously and contrary to the public peace, let it be punished in the same manner and no otherwise than as if it had happened in a fair or market.
      - Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Religion, 1776. Papers, 1:548

      It is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere [in the propagation of religious teachings] when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order.
      - Thomas Jefferson, Statute for Religious Freedom, 1779. Papers, 2:546

      Whatsoever is lawful in the Commonwealth or permitted to the subject in the ordinary way cannot be forbidden to him for religious uses; and whatsoever is prejudicial to the Commonwealth in their ordinary uses and, therefore, prohibited by the laws, ought not to be permitted to churches in their sacred rites. For instance, it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children. It is ordinarily lawful (or temporarily lawful) to kill calves or lambs; they may, therefore, be religiously sacrificed. But if the good of the State required a temporary suspension of killing lambs, as during a siege, sacrifices of them may then be rightfully suspended also. This is the true extent of toleration.
      - Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Religion, 1776. Papers, 1:547

      March 27, 2011 at 9:17 am |
    • Atheism is the only truth, god isn't real

      Proven wrong. Did you graduate high school? Do you also believe in Santa Clause? no? why not? prove santa clause does/doesn't exist. Seriously, do it.

      March 27, 2011 at 9:38 am |
    • harol bish

      that is what u think
      but it is a thought

      March 27, 2011 at 11:14 am |
    • harol bish

      judica of sf ib

      March 27, 2011 at 11:15 am |
    • Elsa

      Frederica is not even an American. She lives in Europe and is a rabid Christian with some very distorted views.
      So don't bother responding to her silly nonsense. She is just trolling you guys.

      March 27, 2011 at 11:54 am |
    • angered and annoyed by the biased press

      I'm sad you think that way about non-believers because in many cases it takes a non-believer to point out the abuses that take place in the name of religion. People hide their tyrannical beliefs behind sacred ones in order to shield those behaviors from criticism. It takes someone critical to point out those abuses and spur reform.

      March 27, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
    • Ted Ward

      Well actually, John Adams did not like the muslim faith and said so quite clearly.

      March 27, 2011 at 11:03 pm |
    • Brian Macker


      You are either an ignorant or an ignorant Muslim troll. Either way you are ignorant.

      March 28, 2011 at 9:27 am |
    • Dan (a different one)

      Jason: You're confusing atheism with deism. Not the same thing. Many of the founding fathers were deists, who believed that God was there, but impersonal and not interested in our daily lives. Kind of like the "force of nature" people today.

      March 28, 2011 at 1:19 pm |
    • Dan (a different one)

      Frederica: At the time of this county's founding, Muslim pirates were threatening ships in the Mediterranean. They weren't liked by Europeans or Americans back then either. We made a treaty with the Bey of Tripoli under Madison, which, in typical Hudna fashion, was repeatedly violated, so that Jefferson ended up sending in ships to blow them out of the water. Some things never change.

      March 28, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
    • Joe

      It doesn't matter how many facts you sling at liberals it doesn't matter if you show them what page of which text you got it out of. The only thing a liberal knows how to do is cuss and swear at you call you stupid a republican tea bagger, or a CEO or all of the above. There is NO point in talking to liberals NONE.

      March 28, 2011 at 3:15 pm |
  2. Mike

    Religions are nothing but a throw back in time. They can be good and bad. I prefer to believe in reality. Mother Nature. You have a life, you where born, you live and you will die, to say you are going somewhere after death is speculation, just your imagination at work. Religions are to me nothing but social clubs. If you need one to live your life, then so be it. But, when it comes down to thinking your religion is the only one, you are wrong. We should not live in the past by what someone has written in a book. Enjoy Life you only have one. May it be in peace.

    March 27, 2011 at 8:34 am |
    • harol bish

      man now i am realizing that sanity still exists

      March 27, 2011 at 11:13 am |
    • Kjcube


      ...that's as much speculation as the religious do. Certainty in anything is a bi-tch.

      March 27, 2011 at 8:36 pm |
    • Lakersforever

      Mike, if there's no religion? This world will be full of SELF. I will be one of that person...You and I know that MONEY is power and if there's no heaven or hell? I will do whatever it takes to be rich and become the most powerful people like Hitler even I have to kill, steal and cheated my way up...Who cares right? if I don't make it? I die and I am finish..that's it...nothing last nothing more...It's very good business because if I make it? My generation will live in a comfortable life...Now tell me, which religion is saying that it's ok to kill or cheat your way around as long as it's for your own good and for your religion? If there's one? than what's the different between you who doesn't believe in any religion and that religion? NONE right?

      March 28, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
  3. Dave

    Doesn’t matter what your religion is, you stick it in other
    people’s face, you will be resented for it.
    It’s a private thing, keep it to yourself.

    March 27, 2011 at 8:33 am |
    • Gee S


      March 27, 2011 at 10:39 am |
    • harol bish

      u d man dave
      only true and sincere thing i read on all these post

      March 27, 2011 at 11:11 am |
    • Reb

      Well said!

      March 27, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
    • CoolNewYorker

      Very well said. Religion is a personal choice. Humanity is the first lesson in all religions that these fanatics calling themselves Muslims in Afghanistan and other countries are ruining to begin with. I have many Muslims friends along with Jewish, Christians, Hindus, Buddhist... all same to me and their families, never heard or seen such theory what is represented by radicals all across nowadays reported in media.

      March 28, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
  4. Alpha

    To the peace loving hard working Muslim community, please know that the opinions expressed above are not shared by the majority of Americans. People are afraid and fear breeds anger. Religous tolerance is as American as apple pie and Muslims who share a love of peace and security will always be welcome in this country. I'm far more worried about these Islamaphobes inciting local unrest than I am about the average peaceful Muslims. Islamic radicalization should be on the national radar, but in no way should we be supporting the persecution of people based on their faith. People who talk about this being a Christian only country have forgotten why religous freedom has become part of our societal fabric. Get a hold of your fear people, your not doing anybody any favors. Stop acting like small minded idiots. Your embarassing yourself and the rest of us who don't let fear cloud our judgement and spread hate and intolerance.

    March 27, 2011 at 8:32 am |
    • MuslimsareEv!l

      Hatred of evil? Fear of those who want to destroy us? Yep! Only FOOLS would be foolish enough to accept, encourage, and provide aid to the enemy. Open your eyes!

      March 27, 2011 at 8:37 am |
    • Ceadda

      Thank you for stating that religious tolerance is part of the American fabric. Unfortunately, the internet allows any two-bit keyboard jockey with a poor understanding of our country's laws and freedom to rail on about Islamic radicalization. This is the kind of fear based irrationality and general ignorance that only leads to a gross misunderstanding of the true problem at hand.

      March 27, 2011 at 8:51 am |
    • Gee S

      To the commentaters above:
      It is not fear to learn about a religion and see that their religion is based an FORCING the entire world to believe what they do. Pick up a copy of the Qu'uran and read it. Actually think outside the box without being force fed by our agenda driven media.

      March 27, 2011 at 10:38 am |
    • harol bish

      tell them to post this statement on every car in the lirr

      March 27, 2011 at 11:10 am |
    • Becca


      March 27, 2011 at 6:46 pm |
    • nycmuslim

      oh my god wow. becca really are u stating that ALL MUSLIMS are responsible my god, you are so ignorant its not even funny. DO YOU KNOW MUSLIMS ALSO DIED THAT DAY? ONES WHO WORKED IN THE TOWERS? I GUESS NOT, you didnt really do your research i see.
      thank you to who made that comment, i completely agree, the media fuels the flame that already exists and makes it worse; just like you said the actions of a few in this case who ever made comments talking all this crap about islam..never judge the actions of a few to the actions of all. likewise with muslims, not all muslims are bad. im muslim and quiet frankly i get along with everyone..jews, christians, catholics u name it...some of u guys need to meet a muslim, hear watt they have to say, make friends then youll understand that there normal people who unlike u have to deal with all this bull and remain strong.

      March 27, 2011 at 8:17 pm |
    • Prof Gene

      A phobia is a type of anxiety disorder. It is a strong, irrational fear of something that poses little or no actual danger. Did the people on 9/11 in the twin towers suffer from a phobia or was their dire situation a reality? It is not irrational to feel a rattlesnake might bite you, a grizzly bear might maul you or that an Islamic terrorist might blow you up or cut your head off.

      March 28, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
    • Lakersforever

      Alpha, why don't you move to Detroit Michican with your Muslim friends? I understand that every religions or cultures has one bad Apple. Why don't you move to Arab and tell me if there's really one bad apple? Who's using their god name to kill? If Muslim is peaceful and loving religion, why they let these "people" used their god name in a wrong way. But when non-Muslim making fun of their god. Like drawing up some type of cartoon in England. The whole Islam world turn up-side-down. If you still can not see it. I think you need to either move to Detroit or Iraq, Afghan or maybe Lybae. Because Americans love peace and have good hearts. We value life and each other.

      March 28, 2011 at 3:08 pm |
    • Lucy

      Who are you talking about? The majority of people I know and work with are mad as heck about the Muslim problem. And yes, it is a problem when they want to change everything about our way of life. So many liberal, cowardly Americans that we will be destroyed from within - when the Muslims multiply and take over because you were too weak to do anything or stand up for freedom. Well, my friends are armed and ready.

      March 28, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
  5. James

    December 8, 1941 we identified the problem. August 5, 1945 we solved the problem. September 12, 2001 we identified the problem. AS OF YET, WE HAVE NOT STOPPED THE PROBLEM!

    March 27, 2011 at 8:31 am |
    • John


      March 27, 2011 at 8:36 am |
    • Capercorn

      Nuclear weapons are NEVER the answer. Not in 1945, and most certainly not now. We could have ended WWII with just a simple demonstration of the atomic bomb on a deserted chuck of land. Instead we bombed two civilian population centers. Your beliefs terrify me.

      March 27, 2011 at 2:10 pm |
    • Kjcube


      I'm pretty sure his emphasis was on the end of WWII not on the use of nuclear weapons. Even if we hadn't used them the war would've ended around the same time, give or take a year or two.

      March 27, 2011 at 8:34 pm |
  6. Fred

    CNN welcomes a lively and courteous discussion as long as you follow the Rules of Conduct set forth in our Terms of Service. Comments are not pre-screened before they post. You agree that anything you post may be used, along with your name and profile picture, in accordance with our Privacy Policy and the license you have granted pursuant to our Terms of Service.

    Why are my comments being Moderated! Your Terms of service say they are not pre-screened before they are posted! Why should I believe this rag CNN,Com when they don't follow their own Terms!

    March 27, 2011 at 8:31 am |
    • TN649

      I have the very same question. thanks for asking.

      March 27, 2011 at 8:37 am |
    • Elsa

      The filter is automatic and is all about some prissy filter list of letter combinations and words that aren't suitable for big babies.
      most of the list for you:
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      se-x......as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
      sh-@t.....but shat is okay – don't use the @ symbol there.
      sp-ic.....as in disp-icable, hosp-ice, consp-icuous, susp-icious, sp-icule, sp-ice, etc.
      ti-t......as in const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, alt-itude, beat-itude, etc.
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, nightw-atchman, etc.
      va-g......as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant, va-gue, sava-ge, etc.
      who-re....as in who're you kidding / don't forget to put in that apostrophe!

      There are more, some of them considered "racist", so do not assume that this list is complete.
      there is also the "report abuse" button to delete offending posts. Used only by the intolerant to curb your speech further.

      March 27, 2011 at 9:58 am |
    • harol bish

      u a fox or a mongrel

      March 27, 2011 at 11:09 am |
  7. Happyman

    As an ex muslim I can tell you one thing, muslims isolate themselves, commit mistakes, and then blame the rest of the world for their ill treatment (kinda like another minority religion). Do not do anything to appease them, as they are just buying time till they're numbers are strong enough to take power democratically, to vote as a block for obedient candidates in small elections, then big ones.

    Thank god I live in America!!! (and no, that god is not allah!) We should halt immigration (where are the jobs for us anyways) and stop supporting i s r a e l. Ron Paul 2012.

    March 27, 2011 at 8:31 am |
    • harol bish

      u goota b a llama

      March 27, 2011 at 11:08 am |
    • illuminated Genius

      I am proud of you for leaving Islam. We need less religious fanatics in this world and more educated people who understand the values of 21st century western civilized nations laws.

      March 27, 2011 at 9:24 pm |
  8. MuslimsareEv!l

    Comments here are filtered to shape the discussion.

    March 27, 2011 at 8:30 am |
    • Elsa

      Like any conversation, you have a choice of whether to join in or not. People come here to comment, like you.
      You have more freedom of speech here than you do in any religious building in the world.
      If you want the conversation to go a different way, say so. Accusing "somebody" of "shaping the conversation" in an anonymous blog is ridiculous. You don't have to believe everything you read, you know.

      March 27, 2011 at 9:54 am |
    • harol bish

      and what is wrong with that

      March 27, 2011 at 11:23 am |
  9. sally thomas

    To wial...Not against it if the book that is followed doesn't teach kill those who don't believe what we believe. If someone believes something, that is fine, but if they believe something and if I don't follow, then I could die, nope that is wrong. Their book teaches them to kill the infidel, if you want to follow their book go right ahead, but don't expect others to except it when it is based in deceiving and lying to further their cause.

    March 27, 2011 at 8:29 am |
  10. Marshall Beeber

    Having livied in New Jersey during the 2001 "911" terrorist actions and receiving threatening comments from Muslims at that time, I am not overly sympathetic with the plight of the Muslim community in America. Many Muslims openly express their desire for the extermination of all Jews in the world. Americans should be very cautious of Muslims, knowing their mind-sets. Nevertheless, we are commended by our faith in God to treat our enemies with kindness and not repay evil for evil. As long as we express God's gracious kindness to our enemies whenever possible, we will prevail.

    March 27, 2011 at 8:28 am |
    • Gaius Caesar

      You know you guys pray to the 'God' right?

      March 27, 2011 at 10:23 am |
    • Gee S

      Gaius: NOT true. Allah is NOT the God of the Bible and Jewish scriptures. Allah is the ancient moon god of the Arabs. Do some reading.

      March 27, 2011 at 10:34 am |
    • harol bish

      u sounded like a hindu and buddist

      March 27, 2011 at 11:04 am |
    • Andy Anderson

      Your magical being is the 'real' one, and the Muslims' is a phony. Right.

      Maybe it's time for everybody to come out of the dark ages.

      March 27, 2011 at 6:41 pm |
    • angered and annoyed by the biased press

      I agree, anti-Semitism is common in the Muslim community both here and abroad. Most Muslim countries forbid Jewish people from immigrating (Egypt) and remove the citizenship of people who marry Israeli Jews (also Egypt – there is no penalty however for marrying an Israeli Arab who is a Muslim). For years it has been illegal for any Israeli Jew to take a vacation in so-called "moderate" Dubai.

      Most Muslims are taught in Wahhabi schools that Jews were turned into apes and pigs by Allah and that the world is in the throes of a Jewish conspiracy for world domination. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a popular publication. Most Muslims in Iran polled by Gallup (over 60%) believe that it is a Muslim obligation to destroy Israel. Most Muslims want Jews to be exterminated or exiled to Western countries, regardless of Middle Eastern ancestry. We must confront these beliefs before allowing the people who hold them to live under the good faith of American society. When I see people on the left bash Israel while saying little about the 60+ Muslim countries with human rights violations I see anti-Semites who are enabling terrorism.

      March 27, 2011 at 7:02 pm |
    • gerald

      you are correct, our faith says do not judge , and treat your neighbor as you would like to be treated.and do not hate. this battle WILL happen, these are the end of days. The religion of the end time in bible prophecy

      The religion of the end time will be one where the false prophet will deceive the whole world and cause the world to worship the Antichrist by doing miracles such as pulling fire from the sky. This religion already exists but will be made universal by the power given the Antichrist and the false prophet by the devil. The bible doesn't specifically tells us what that religion will be called, but we can determine what it will be by looking at the facts. The world is pretty much dominated by Christianity and Islam (over half of the worlds population combined). While Hinduism comes in a close third, it doesn't look like it will matter in the end time.

      Christianity today is full of churches proclaiming that all religions worship the same God and therefore we should embrace them. The Catholic church promotes that idea with Interfaith doctrine and goes as far as to state in the Catechism that the Muslims worship the same God as Christianity and therefore will enjoy the same salvation equally. This means that they think it doesn't matter if you're a Christian or a Muslim and that you can find salvation through either religion.

      The Muslims, on the other hand, have no such belief. In fact, Muslim doctrine teaches that Jesus is just a prophet, not the manifestation of God in the flesh, and that He will return at the end time to teach Christians the Muslim way and convert them. The prophecies of the bible and the Muslim prophecies concerning the Antichrist (the Muslim Mahdi) and the false prophet (the Muslim Jesus) mirror each other but the good guys of Islam are the bad guys of the bible. This is a very good indication that the Antichrist will rise as the Mahdi of Islam and will unite the Christian world with him via the false prophet and create a global Islamic religion. The bible tells us that this end time religion will be forced upon people or they will be killed if they refuse. The Muslim prophecies tell us that the Muslims will kill any who won't convert to Islam.

      The bible tells us that the world will be fooled by the false prophet performing miracles in the sight of men, like pulling fire from the sky. The false prophet will seem to everyone to have Godly power and will fool everyone into worshiping the Antichrist.

      March 31, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
  11. Faber McMullen

    Why is Timothy McVeigh mentioned in this article about religious faith? I never remember him professing any faith in anything. Muslims in America will continue to be suspect because they DO NOT EVER SPEAK OUT PUBLICLY against their radical brethren in the rest of the world. If they want Americans to believe Islam is not a religion of violence, then they should be FRONT AND CENTER speaking out against the enormous reality of Muslims in the rest of the world calling for our destruction. Christians and Jews share a heritage in the founding of this country. Our national philosophy is Judeo-Christian. Muslims need to learn what that means, how to respect that, and how to speak out in a way that supports that.

    March 27, 2011 at 8:28 am |
    • John

      Faber, have you actually ever VERIFIED what you are saying? THOUSANDS of Muslim organizations, Imams, and Muslim governments constantly and repeatedly condemn terrorism. If the press doesn't feel this is an interesting enough story to report, that isn't the fault of Muslims. It's the fault of those who don't make some effort to inform themselves in a balanced, logical way. Let me help: type "Muslims condemn terrorism" into the first Google search bar you find, and read the first ten links.

      March 27, 2011 at 8:35 am |
    • Atheism is the only truth, god isn't real

      Still, the majority of terrorist acts performed in the past 100 years, were performed by muslims, those that believe in radical islam, which is easy to do since it's a violent and primitive religion.

      March 27, 2011 at 9:32 am |
    • Gee S

      John: You DO actually know about taqquiyah and kitman, right?? If not, take a look at those two Islamic blessings that are promised to them in paradise. One is LYING to any non-muslim and the other is simply not telling the whole truth. THESE are part of the wonderful morals that are presented in islam. So, if lying and not telling the whole truth are CELEBRATED in their religion (which they ARE) HOW do you know when they're telling you the truth???? Read up on this stuff.

      March 27, 2011 at 10:32 am |
    • GI_Derrique

      @John: We have at least a dozen Muslim sob-stories every day that are posted on major news networks. Frankly, I'm sick of hearing them. If the Muslims would shout a little LOUDER about their violent brethren, then I guarantee it will make the news. Whispering doesn't count. These guys need to stand up, SHOUT, act American, and not just choose to reap the benefits of being an American. Why don't they hold a press conference? Gee, now THERE'S a fun idea!

      March 27, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
    • angered and annoyed by the biased press

      To John – Some may condemn terrorism, but many of them still believe in a world divided into believer / infidel. Very few of them will ever speak out against Shariah law or the discrimination against non-Muslims that occurs in Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia. Those core beliefs fuel terrorism.

      March 27, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
  12. John

    Islamophobia? Hey, you reap what you sow. If you're not happy, go back home. We won't miss you.

    March 27, 2011 at 8:27 am |
  13. Jerry

    Hey Al, Timothy McVay wasn't radicalized in a church, however most Muslim terrorist are radicalized either in their Mosque or by a religious leader. If you want people to stop referring to a Muslims religion when they commit a terrorist act, get the radicals out of your Mosques. Report then for there inciting comments and actions.

    March 27, 2011 at 8:26 am |
    • TN649

      Abortion bombers have blown up clinics in the name of religion but we don't say baptists blow up abortion clinics. This is a generalization, and it is not accurate.

      March 27, 2011 at 8:29 am |
    • John

      Jerry, first, who is to say that a violent, usually illiterate criminal who tries to justify his actions with thin excuses like "God made me do it" speaks for the other billions of people who disagree with him? Since when would any rational person accept that the criminal speaks for the innocent majority? Show me the terrorist that are also Islamic scholars.

      Also, terrorists are doing these things for political reasons. Read up on what the terrorists say .. it's for "Israel/Palestine" or for "Western oppression" or for "freedom" .. they aren't really religious people in the first place. But like most other cultures, they will try to use God to justify themselves amongst their peers.

      March 27, 2011 at 8:39 am |
    • Atheism is the only truth, god isn't real

      "they aren't religious", but they are muslims who reference islam, who commit suicide bombings because they believe they will go to heaven, due to their primitive belief system. They are religious, they are muslims.

      March 27, 2011 at 9:30 am |
    • harol bish

      i dot get it when muslims try to rationalize the bad elements with bad christians or jew or any other hateful act. clean your own s.,//.t
      you do injustice to good people

      March 27, 2011 at 11:02 am |
    • hmmm....

      Actually your statement was generally incorrect. Statistics show that the majority of radical Islamists are targeted for recruitment by being innactive within the Muslim community. This means they don't regularly attend services adn activities in the community ( the mosque). So because they don't have a strong doctrinal defense against the eroneous teachings of the readical recruiters, they're then fooled into thinking that radical Islam is correct. So ACTUALLY to have more mosques, and more established communities is a better defense against redical Islamic recruiters.

      March 27, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
    • Bethe123


      Actually, your statement is generally irrelevant. Terrorism is not only problem with Islam.

      March 27, 2011 at 10:43 pm |
    • kckaaos

      Radicals have not taken over islam, the moderates have.

      March 28, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
    • PRex

      TN649......you do realize that the amount of abortion bombings is so minuscule compared to Islamic terrorism worldwide that it's not even really worth mentioning? Find another way to compare the violence islam projects to christianity....cause that one isn't going to work.

      March 28, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
  14. Stephanie

    Muslims just don't get it. You weren't invited to come to the West, you CHOSE it. Stop whining about the way the West sees Muslims and stop asking the West to fix your problems here. Most Muslim problems cannot be solved by the West, they need to be solved by Muslims. When most terrorists are Muslims, sure we see a terrorist behind the Muslim. This does not mean we are anti-Muslim or racist. It means we can see daylight. The problem is not how the West perceives Muslims, but rather how Muslims perceive the way we see Muslims. Fit in when you come West and attempt to weed out the bad Muslims yourself. This is not about Christians and Muslims, it is about a people which will not help themselves and then whine to have others solve their problems. Here we call those who do this Children. But Children eventually grow up. Muslims need to do the same. It is not up to the West to change the way they view Muslims, after all the West does not view other religions so negatively. Only by growing up and understanding that they need to help themselves can Muslims co-exist and this means acknowledging the bad Muslims and weeding them out of society. It is called Taking Responsibility.

    March 27, 2011 at 8:25 am |
    • WOW

      Christians werent invited either, but that didnt stop them from killing and taking land away from Native Americans

      March 27, 2011 at 8:27 am |
    • Michael Lovestar

      Well said, Steph... I totally agree with you

      March 27, 2011 at 8:33 am |
    • John

      Stephanie, you are talking about a tiny percentage of "Muslims" .. and about characteristics that have nothing to do with religion. Muslims don't come here to get their "problems fixed" by us .. it's absurd to suggest so. They come here for other reasons (education, family, political refugees, etc). Seeing "the terrorist behind the Muslim" in fact DOES make you are antiMuslim AND racist .. 99% of Muslims were born into Islam, and are no more likely to hurt an innocent person than you are. Yet you see the "Terrorist" in them .. which makes you racist.

      How would you feel if you were constantly associated with white extremist groups like the KKK or Aryan brotherhood, which use Christianity to justify their crimes? Hey, I don't see any other racist groups except white ones .. does that mean all white people are suspect as KKK members?

      The logic of bigotry is flawed and dangerous and unAmerican .. which is why your viewpoint is wrong.

      March 27, 2011 at 8:46 am |
    • Atheism is the only truth, god isn't real

      What would sway people's negative thoughts about islam and muslims is if muslims weren't performing acts of terrorism all over the world, in the name of islam. It is somewhat difficult to think these "extremists" or islamic "fanatics" are isolated incidents, when they are murdering innocent people in a plethora of countries all over the world. Sorry, but it's simply NOT an isolated incident. Islam is violent, and the proof is all around you that we are alerted to almost every day via various news reporting agencies, fox, cnn, bbc, al jazeera. To call someone racist because they are calling it how it is, is somewhat ignorant and moronic.

      March 27, 2011 at 9:29 am |
    • harol bish

      oil, stephanie, oil. and corporate greed. combined with fox news and the rnc.
      they love u stef.

      March 27, 2011 at 10:59 am |
    • fady Lebanese

      u r right. they want to come to the west fit in the society , stop whining . they want to come over here and they want to change the rule to fit their own Shari3a. if u dont like it go back to Saudi arabia and Iran. u ll be happy. woman they can cover all their body, head to toe. they wont face any prb. if a woman want to apply to a job a striper she can not change the rule, oh i need to keeo my veil on my head. just follow the policy and dont whine

      March 27, 2011 at 12:48 pm |
    • GI_Derrique

      @WOW: So...that makes it okay, then? Just because some other group did it 400 years ago? Monkey see, monkey do? Want to bring up slavery next? Unless you have a valid argument, please stop pointing fingers at other people. If you don't have enough facts, then there's no point in arguing your useless point.

      March 27, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
    • Becca

      How right you are'!

      March 27, 2011 at 6:34 pm |
    • angered and annoyed by the biased press

      To WOW – History is a series of groups being absorbed into one another through conquest. Native Americans fought one another in tribes before the Europeans came. All early human groups have histories of conflict. Native Americans had inferior numbers, weaponry, and organization thus they were predictably conquered over time. They had no government to regulate immigration because the idea had never occurred to them.

      If you disdain what has become of the Americas, there are perhaps more politically correct places for you to live that have no history of colonialism. May I suggest Antarctica. Because not even modern Europeans were the first arrivals in Europe.

      March 27, 2011 at 6:53 pm |
    • vanhoopcoach

      The believers are afraid to turn their own people in, yet they expect us not to fear the arm of finance,power and hate that drives those who make a joke of their faith.
      As a nation, we don't have to cower to the fear and we won't.
      Maybe CNN needs to find out how many other perspective mosques have faced similar stoppages before looking down on the people of Tenn.

      March 27, 2011 at 10:14 pm |
    • Prof Gene

      It is often said and it was said in the report by the Muslim girl, referring to 9/11 that the terrorists "hijacked" Islam. What do you do when someone hijacks your truck? You go to the police and try to get it back to have the hijackers arrested. So what you say is true if the Muslims want to disassociate themselves with the Extremists they should be loudly condemning them instead of blaming Zionism or the mistreatment of Palestinians or as was popular after 9/11 naming their newborns, "Osama," or calling suicide bombers, "freedom fighters," or marching in the streets against cartoons of Mohamed. Their religion is "hijacked," because they allow it to be hijacked.

      March 28, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
    • Madinah

      Muslims do not have a weak Allah. Allah is all knowing and all powerful.

      March 29, 2011 at 11:39 am |
  15. Fortune

    CNN promotes PC and does not allow true facts to be published here. See effects of muslims here http://stephenknapp.wordpress.com/tag/attacks-on-hinduism/

    March 27, 2011 at 8:22 am |
  16. david

    The major monotheistic religions all contain tenets that are a threat to people outside their faiths. It is the filter of modernization, that the laity are removed from the contentiousness of these beliefs.

    March 27, 2011 at 8:22 am |
    • jay

      You are absolutely correct. The religious managers of Islam (Mullas) are trying to keep Islam in the medieval age. They have succeeded so far by curtailing education, forcing kids in to Madrasas (places for religious brain washing) and spewing hatred towards other religions and finally by portraying God not as a loving God but a terrible punisher of human beings.

      March 27, 2011 at 8:31 am |
    • jaysunstar

      You can thank The American government for backing radical muslim groups at a time when there was a strategic advantage for doing so. We have created a new monster while trying to defeat another one.

      March 27, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
    • angered and annoyed by the biased press

      I agree jaysunstar. One of the worst policies of the Reagan administration was to fund the Islamists in their fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan. The communists may have been dangerous but their leaders were ultimately rational, unable to outright attack the West due to the threat of mutually assured destruction. The religious bigots of Islam, armed with co-opted Western technologies and a slew of expendable young men, tagged "martyrs," are a threat to Western societies. Both left and right must be cautious of this threat by upholding our values and criticizing religions that continue to use violence and discrimination. Christianity has overcome its historical violent streak. Islam has not.

      March 27, 2011 at 6:46 pm |
  17. jay

    This report is b.s. No one is alienating Muslims. They ( most of them) have alienated themselves from others. If they think they are superior or better or chosen ones, its their problem. With so much advancement in human knowledge, if somebody still thinks religious opinions are "a matter of life and death" and "God punishes for our silly actions here", he is a nut case. AND THAT IS WHAT THE THE RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS ARE.
    It is a shame CNN brings out such childish stories. I have many Muslim friends living here in US. None of them is sympathetic to anything American. They always crap about how bad American society is. I question – why are you still living here, if you don't like it. Pack your bags!

    March 27, 2011 at 8:22 am |
    • Obamaout

      Agree! If you don't like it here, you are more than welcome to leave!

      March 27, 2011 at 3:34 pm |
    • paintpaintpaint

      Really? YOU have a lot of Muslim 'friends'? Why do I doubt that?

      Well, it seems by these posts that not only can the Devil quote scripture, but he can quote the Qu'an, too... People, put down the books, and love one another. Not just people just like you, or people that are easy to love, that's NOT what Jesus meant.

      March 27, 2011 at 11:11 pm |
    • Alverant

      They're Americans just like you. Why don't YOU leave?

      March 28, 2011 at 2:43 pm |
    • Geoffrey

      You are alienating Muslims with your bigoted and thoughtless comments. As a jewish person, I have endured the same thoughtless and stupid comments from bigots like you. This country is for all faiths. I have many Muslim friends and I value every one of them. Not one has tried to force anything on me. You sir are forcing a limited and boring world view on us by being a bigot.

      March 28, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
  18. Master Race

    It says clearly in the Quran to KILL non-Muslims.

    March 27, 2011 at 8:21 am |
    • WOW

      really, can you tell me where? or are you just assuming without any knowledge. Read the Qur'an and tell me where

      March 27, 2011 at 8:26 am |
    • Atheism is the only truth, god isn't real

      Open the book of lies and have a look for yourself.

      Here a just a couple of the passages where the instruction is to kill infidels. Islam is a religion proven to be incompatible with the ideals of the west and advancement of mankind.

      2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

      2:193 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.

      There are many many more.....

      March 27, 2011 at 9:23 am |
    • frootyme

      Open a Bible and count how many time kill has been used. Ignorants like you take it out of context.

      March 27, 2011 at 10:17 am |
    • FromOtherSide


      the verse that you just quoted does not say 'Slay' ...it says 'Fight back ...'.
      What do you when people invade your land? Sit back and watch movies? Of course not. The verse that comes before this verse says 'Fight back those people who fight you but do not exceed and Allah does not like exceeding'
      I wish you knew Arabic and learn Quran correctly.

      March 27, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
    • Master Race

      White race is clearly the Master race and the Muslims should leave this country. Period.

      March 27, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
    • dee carter

      Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2

      Don't bother warning the disbelievers. Allah has made it impossible for them to believe so that he can torture them forever after they die. 2:6-7

      They who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will abide therein." 2:39

      We have appointed hell a dungeon for the disbelievers.–17:8

      Christians and Jews (who believe in only part of the Scripture), will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85

      Allah will make disbelievers' lives miserable in this world and torture them forever after they die. 2:114

      if someone murders your slave, then you get to kill one of his. If it was a male that was killed, you kill one of the killer's male slaves. If a female, you kill a female. Murder for murder. Slave for slave. It all works out swell with Allah's wondrous rules. (Oh, and if you don't follow them, you'll have the usual painful doom.) 2:178

      Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you." 2:190

      "Fight in the way of Allah." 2:190, 2:244

      War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216


      March 27, 2011 at 3:02 pm |
    • Upperhand

      Here are examples of what THE SO CALLED "RELIGION OF PEACE" teaches ALL its followers....not just some!!!

      “Fight and slay the non-Muslims wherever ye find them” and “seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); unless they repent” Surah 9:5

      "Do not take the Jews and Christians as friends" Koran 5:51

      "Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191

      “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123

      “When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5

      “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85

      “The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.”... Koran 9:30

      “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33

      “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19

      “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65

      “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28

      “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12

      Deport these foreigners!!! Deport all the murderous Rug-Pilot Roach-Rancher Dune Monkey Muslims, Smelly Curry-Muncher Diaper-Head Indians and Waki Pakis....Deport'em all!!! Deport'em now!!! I say!!! I say!!!

      “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60

      March 27, 2011 at 6:54 pm |
    • Carlos

      It says so in the Bible too (kill those who do not believe in the Christ).

      If you believe in the Bible, read it first, fool!

      March 27, 2011 at 8:51 pm |
    • hmmm....

      I think you misunderstand. They DID read the bible and they DO want to kill those who do not beleive in Christ.
      Honestly everyone, as long as people keep quoting bibles and the Qur'an, they will stop looking at the solution of humanistic education. And no, I'm not talking about holding hands, but at least on our own soil we can all agree that this is our home. if you don't beleive Muslims belong here, then you don't beleive in the America our immigrant forefathers beleived in

      March 27, 2011 at 10:27 pm |
    • Prof Gene

      4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

      9.5: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

      March 28, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
    • Dan (a different one)

      Carlos. You really need to give a citation where the Bible says that we should kill all non-Christians. It's rather telling that you don't furnish one, as it does not exist. In fact, it is quite clear that Christians are rather to offer their lives up rather than betray Christ or take up arms against their persecutors (Matt 26:52, Rev 13: 7-10).

      March 28, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
    • Alverant

      Dan (other one)
      "Thou shall not suffer a witch to live" springs to mind. If you actually read all the bible, you'd find more easily.

      March 28, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • standingwave

      i reject all mention of specific Q'uran or Bible verses unless the verses just before and after are also included.

      March 28, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
    • WOlivere

      Your leaving out a lot in your quotes.

      YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

      YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

      YUSUFALI: But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful

      YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

      Hmm that reads a lot different

      "And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."

      Luke 19:27:

      But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

      Matthew 10:34:

      Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

      When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.
      And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, [that] all the people [that is] found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.
      And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:
      And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, [even] all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities [which are] very far off from thee, which [are] not of the cities of these nations. - Deu 20:10-15

      March 28, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
    • kckaaos

      Carlos, please state WHERE. I simply do not believe you.

      March 28, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
    • Nasreen

      CLEARLY, really?? Do you speak Arabic?? Have you read the Qur'an?? I highly doubt that, there is no such thing as a translated Qur'an, unless you read Arabic there is no merit to your comment

      March 28, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
    • Geoffrey

      NO IT DOES NOT SAY THAT. Read it and don't accept the stupidity of people in the bigot industry. What translates as "Infidel" in the Quran is well defined in the Quran as Pagans and NOT Christians and NOT Jews. A bigot is someone such as yourself who takes a license to hate without knowledge or direct experience. You disgust me ... oh yeah, I'm Jewish and I have many very good friends who are Muslim. They are great and good people and I respect their faith.

      March 28, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
  19. john

    wait and see , the surge of gay and islam to this country bring a war between themselves.

    March 27, 2011 at 8:21 am |
    • harol bish

      u mean the thing dat all arab princes in sa that is america best friend does. dude, u mis the boat the entire corporate and rnc eiltes are in bed with both

      March 27, 2011 at 11:20 am |
    • Dan (a different one)

      "John" needs an English tutor.

      March 28, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
  20. Frederica

    Fragmentation of USA is inevitable. It's Patched States of America, never United. Not anymore. There is nothing to be united for with present rampant hedonism.

    March 27, 2011 at 8:18 am |
    • Elsa

      Frederica, you don't even live here, do you? It shows.

      March 27, 2011 at 9:41 am |
    • runswithbeer

      "rampant hedonism" Really??? Been an American for 60 years , have yet to see any "rampant hedonism" . IF anybody does happen across some please let me know........;-) Simple hedonism will do.....

      March 27, 2011 at 10:14 am |
    • hamza

      right on the money.hispanics will be the ones to end it up.today we have 50 million legal hispancis plus 20 million illegal ones.in 20 years there will be 100 million hispanics in the usa.after money from abroad stops coming and usa faces hostility from everyone abroad,conflicts will start and hispanics will congragate in the southwest.texas will secede first,california second.hispanic states arizona,new mexico and nevada will be third.florida fourth.bible belt fifth,heartland sixth.alasca seventh.end of story.mark my words.

      March 27, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
    • Carlos

      It quit being "United" in some people's point of view, when the slaves, the poor, the oppressed refused to be subjugated any longer...

      March 27, 2011 at 8:49 pm |
    • Brian Macker

      Ok, don't respond to Fredrica anymore. He's a Muslim Troll.

      March 28, 2011 at 9:29 am |
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