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March 28th, 2011
02:11 PM ET
Gingrich fears 'atheist country ... dominated by radical Islamists' Newt Gingrich at Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas. By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor Hours after declaring Sunday that he expects to be running for president within a month, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said he's worried the United States could be “a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists,” in the foreseeable future, according to Politico. Gingrich was addressing Cornerstone Church, a megachurch in San Antonio, Texas, led by the Rev. John Hagee, an influential leader among American evangelicals. Hagee's endorsement of then-presidential candidate John McCain in 2008 was plagued by controversy. McCain ultimately rejected the endorsement over remarks Hagee had made about the Holocaust, in which he appeared to say that Adolf Hitler had been fulfilling God's will by hastening the desire of Jews to return to Israel, in accordance with biblical prophecy. "God says in Jeremiah 16: 'Behold, I will bring them the Jewish people again unto their land that I gave to their fathers. ... Behold, I will send for many fishers, and after will I send for many hunters. And they the hunters shall hunt them.' That would be the Jews,” Hagee had said in an earlier sermon. “Then God sent a hunter,” his sermon continued. “A hunter is someone who comes with a gun, and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter." McCain rejected Hagee’s endorsement of his campaign after learning about the comments in May 2008. "Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them,” McCain said at the time. Hagee then withdrew his endorsement of the Arizona senator, which he had offered three months earlier. One irony of McCain rejecting Hagee’s endorsement over his Holocaust remarks is that the Texas evangelist leads the Christian Zionist movement. Hagee is founder and national chairman of Christians United for Israel, which features Elie Wiesel and other Holocaust survivors at its events. Here’s what Gingrich said at Cornerstone Church on Sunday evening, according to Politico:
Gingrich’s church appearance comes amid a broader campaign to court religious conservatives. On Monday, Hagee released a statement praising Gingrich's appearance at Cornerstone. “It was such a great honor to welcome Mr. Gingrich to our church, and hear him describe the centrality of faith in our nation,” he said. The statement also included praise for Hagee and his wife, Diana, from Gingrich. “It was truly an honor to be with John and Diana at Cornerstone," Gingrich said. "Their dedication to serve is inspirational.” soundoff (2,228 Responses)1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 Next »
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Newt Gingrich is a selfish coward.
Selfishness manifest in teh way he used tax-exempt foundations to further his political aspirations.
Cowardly in the way he treated his ex-wives when they became seriously ill.
He divorced his first wife while she was in the hospital suffering cancer and split with his second wife on mother's day after learning she had multiple sclerosis (and over the phone, no less).
When his second wife asked him how he could give a speech on family values days after he admitted his affair to her and asked her to tolerate it, he replied""It doesn't matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live."
Selfish, cowardly and hypocritical – a prime candidate for republican leadership.
@Doc – agreed. He's like a republican mascot. Shows them "the way" I guess.
Isn't a secular atheist country and a country dominated by radical islamists a contradiction in terms? Can one country actually be both of those things at the same time?
Newt is actually saying, "If you don't like Atheists, and you don't like Muslims, then I'm the guy for you." Although it will certainly appeal to some people, this kind of divisiveness is bad for America. And it's unamerican.
The people it will appeal to are exactly the people that vote in primaries and decide on nominees at party conventions. To be honest, I don't pay attention to anything candidates have to say until after the conventions are over.
sajon,
The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:
http://necrometrics.com/warstatz.htm#u
o The Muslim Conquest of India
"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "
Rank <<<Death Toll <Cause <<Centuries<<<Religions/Groups involved*
1. 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists vs. Atheists like Hitler, Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")
2. 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)
40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)
4. 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)
5. 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)
6. 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)
20 million Joseph Stalin 20C
8. 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)
9. 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C
10. 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)
11. 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)
15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs. Pagans)
13. 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C
14. 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C
10 million Xin Dynasty 1C
16. 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)
17. 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans)
8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)
19. 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)
7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C
*:" Is religion responsible for more violent deaths than any other cause?
A: No, of course not – unless you define religion so broadly as to be meaningless. Just take the four deadliest events of the 20th Century – Two World Wars, Red China and the Soviet Union – no religious motivation there, unless you consider every belief system to be a religion."
Q: So, what you're saying is that religion has never killed anyone.
A: Arrgh... You all-or-nothing people drive me crazy. There are many doc-umented examples where members of one religion try to exterminate the members of another religion. Causation is always complex, but if the only difference between two warring groups is religion, then that certainly sounds like a religious conflict to me. Is it the number one cause of mass homicide in human history? No. Of the 22 worst episodes of mass killing, maybe four were primarily religious. Is that a lot? Well, it's more than the number of wars fought over soccer, or s-ex (The Trojan and Sabine Wars don't even make the list.), but less than the number fought over land, money, glory or prestige.
In my Index, I list 41 religious conflicts compared with 27 oppressions under "Communism", 24 under Colonialism, 2 under "Railroads" and 2 under "Scapegoats". Make of that what you will."
Uhhhggg!!! this Reality nut again.... how much are you paid for this propoganda... I see you every where with this list of yours. Let me know if I can make some money too by joining your club
My research tells me that the "Conquest of the Americas" estimate you've offered may be low by as much as a factor of 4 (and perhaps considerably more). Should add that 95% of the original inhabitants of the Western Hemisphere were eliminated, one way or another, within 150 years of the landing of our hero, now widely known in this hemisphere as Christopher Columbus.
Bob2,
You missed the reference where the list was taken from. Said reference is the best source yet found that lists, tabulates, summarizes and reviews atrocity information. One more time see: http://necrometrics.com/warstatz.htm#u .
we could have an athiest leader. Why not? As long as the person is qualified to do the job, religious faith shouldnt matter. Church and state are suppossedly seperate right? Well then...enough said.
You wrote: "we could have an athiest leader. Why not?"
Are you kidding? In this country that has been taken over by the religious nuts?
Bill Maher 2012!
Im confused? how does a secular nation become dominated by radical Islam? Thats oxymoronic.
Getting all religions out of political policies; thats priceless.
How funny so ironic,
if Newt only knew that Rev. Hagees particular denomination of christianity hates Catholics , calls it a church of satan and the pope the possible Anti-Christ...... so ironic.
Oh, I am sure Newtie boy knows all about Hagee's Church rhetoric. He is pimping himself for the nomination. Of course, as this time around the Republican primaries are going to award delegates based on proportional voting performance, instead of the winner takes all love match it had been, that means no one is going to the convention with a mandate. So every candidate is trying to gather as much support as possible.
Can anyone tell me anything good that religion has ever done? I can list many massive injustices and atrocities that religions have caused, but I cannot for the life of me see how religion ever made anyone nicer or more considerate or more tolerant.
Gingrich always sells the same thing: FEAR ! It doesn't matter how irrational, overblown, or insane the FEAR is, he will sell it. And there are a whole lot of people just falling all over themselves to believe it, no matter how ridiculous.
He's just pandering to the far right. It's what every republican has to do to get a nomination. Democrats do the same with their base. Take it with a grain of salt.
Only if that grain of salt can be used on a newt-sized slug.
Those secular atheists aren't gonna be too happy when they find out they're being dominated by radical Islamists? Is Newt this stupid or is he fearmongering or both? Reminds me of the tea-partiers who hated Obama for attending Jeremiah Wrights church, then hate him for being a muslim. Can't have it both ways.
"Is Newt this stupid or is he fearmongering...?"
He is fearmongering to the stupid.
Or rather, he's stupid and fearmongering to the stupid.
“a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists,” This is not only impossible, it is also a well thought out lie that speaks to one type of person, the fearful, deluded christian rightwing nutjob. Only one of those two options can happen, either we are a secular athiest country (Democracy) or we are dominated by radical islamists (Theocracy) but its more likely we will move toward a country dominated by radical christians (also Theocracy) as the liberal/conservative battle swings back to the conservative favor.
As much as I agree, I hope we're both wrong about that.
@heavenSent:
you are forever wrong. there is no Jesus or God. Your incredibly closed mind has forever blanketed your intelligence and thought. Religion will die eventually and when you die, at your last moment, you will realize oblivion, no angels or pearly gates or hades.
I pity you and others like you
Absolutley...well said.
Rich, write your answer to another weenie non-believer JCork. He stole my handle and is posing as me. I didn't write those replies, especially that I would ever vote Republican.
You, as all you non-believers are liars and cheats.
Amen..
Heavensent, did you just call us liars and cheats? I thought christian values said "do not judge lest ye be judged"?
goat, all Christians discern whether someone is a dry bones, wells without water, spiritually dead walking among us. We also don't lie. I know what most non-believers are all about. One day you have morals and ethics. The next day you don't. It's a crap shoot with any of you what you will do or not do in any given minute of the day since you all love and follow satan (the liar, deceiver of all).
Amen.
Rich
@heavenSent:
you are forever wrong. there is no Jesus or God. Your incredibly closed mind has forever blanketed your intelligence and thought. Religion will die eventually and when you die, at your last moment, you will realize oblivion, no angels or pearly gates or hades.
I pity you and others like you
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I wont pity you as you burn in the pit of fire forever. I will be smiling.
Amen..
*wink*
He only wants people to worship Mammon. Not only does he think people who believe in Islam are stupid, he thinks middle-class America is stupid. How is he not EXACTLY the Taliban? Trying to promote a theocracy? Republican Conservative Christians are the malignant cancer that is consuming our country. They are the manifestations of Evil in our time steering America to certain ruin. If these people claim to be Christians, how do they not see the serpent in Gingrich. Fitting that he has the name of a salamander.
And how can a country be atheist and yet be dominated by Muslims? This guy is a joke, if he gets president, this country is over. This country has ALWAYS been based on Secular beliefs. That's what the founding fathers wanted!
Wrong Sajon. We are a Christian Nation and we will return to Jesus.
Amen
HeavenSent, I'm sorry to say this (and you may be unaware of this) but you are, in fact, delusional.
Why be sorry Jcork? I'm usually delighted to be the one to tell people like HeavenSent that they're delusional.
This is not a 'Christian nation'. Only one of the original 'core' founding fathers was a practicing Christian. The rest were Deists and one was Atheist.
JCork you weener. Within minutes of stealing my handle, you reply. You're a filthy, little snot.
Sorry, Newt. Fear-mongering has been tried before and we're wise to it. You have ZERO chance of winning the Presidency. Please GO AWAY, so we don't have to look at your blubbery face and listen to your drivel for the next 1-1/2 years.
Truthmonitor wrote: "Sorry, Newt. Fear-mongering has been tried before and we're wise to it."
Speak for yourself and a bunch of other people who've learned to use their brains...
There's still a huge audience for the type of rhetoric at which the Newt is proficient... And as elections have shown over and over, it works...
Wow, this is great! "Praise the Lard". This is a virtually universally applicable campaign slogan for the u-know-who party, and a description of the majority of it's advocates.
If anything, we should fear Gingrich. What kind of a man will be having an affair with someone behind his wife's back, while simultaneously sitting in judgment of a President during an impeachment trial regarding ethics??? And now HE wants to be President? Are you kidding me???
What's even more incredible is that all I'm hearing from his side of the camp when this issue is brought up is "it happened a long time ago". Well, not long enough ago to make me forget!
"at times of my life, partially driven by how passionately I felt about this country, that I worked far too hard and things happened in my life that were not appropriate," Newt G.
You see, he was just soooo passionate about America he just had to cheat on his wife who had cancer...
Ah yes, the sacrifices some of us make to remain true, hypocritical American patriots!
May I echo your line, "are you kidding me"? I certainly could not have said it better. Out of what, a hundred million people that have the technical requirements to be elected President, this fellow is the best we can do? My list would have him at the bottom near, well, you know.
Why would anyone fear an atheist country? The biggest atrocities in history have been caused by religious beliefs. Hitler was a Christian and his obvious hatred of Jews probably stemmed from his Christian faith. Religion (especially Christianity), also spreads ignorance, discrimination, and hate. "God did it" is an acceptable answer for almost any question. This dulls the mind of children. Religion also gives people an excuse to hate other people or to hold discriminations.
Thank you thank you thank you for telling it how it is!
So very true! I see nowhere in the world anyone fighting over atheistic beliefs. Plenty of religiously inspired wars though.
Which is why he is addressing a Christian MEGA church. Go figure.
"The allegation is sometimes made that Hitler was a Catholic – a Christian until the day he died. This claim is based upon the fact that Hitler was born and raised in a Catholic family.
However, as an adult, Hitler specifically rejected the Catholic Church, as well as Christianity in general. He described himself as "a complete pagan".
The book Hitler's Secret Conversations: 1941-1944, published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc. (1953), contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the t-itle, Hitler's Table Talk: 1941-1944, which t-itle was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.
Some excerpts:
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7) "
10th October, 1941, midday:
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)"
As a former atheist and now Christian, I can understand your statement. Unfortunately, there are those that use God's name for their own selfish and greedy motives – and can be very powerful. As a whole our society views bad as more interesting than good (eg Charlie Sheen.) There's plenty of faith (and I'll admit non-faith) based organizations that practice good will through service and live in that faith. Many Christians differentiate faith and religion, that's how I came to faith realizing that religion can be and often manipulative, however faith is a personal decision and if you are true to yours, religion is just a way to package things. The term Christian to me is merely an easy way for people to identify that my faith is in Jesus of the Bible.
A report about Haenel's sensational findings appeared in the Fall 1983 issue of The Journal of Historical Review. More recently, West Germany's most influential weekly periodicals, Die Zeit, and Der Spiegel (7 September 1985), have run lengthy articles about historical hoax. Der Spiegel concluded that Rauschning's Conversations with Hitler "are a falsification, an historical distortion from the first to the last page ... Haenel not only proves the falsification, he also shows how the impressive surrogate was quickly compiled and which ingredients were mixed together."
@ Reality
Plz no lies for Jesus.
@Reality, you forget in his autobiography that he says hew as born a catholi and will always be a catholic.
show me where that quote is from, if he did not write it or say it himself then its not true. do not forget that all the SS's belt buckles said god with us.
Sum Dude,
Welcome back!!
With respect to "nutty Newt":
Jesus was a bit "touched" (as is Newt). After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.
Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Most contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospels being mostly fiction.
Obviously, today's followers of Paul ("nutty Newt") et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European, white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!
@Reality – Thanks, man! I see there's been some changes around here. When did they start doing this pagination thing? It sort of sucks, but it was pretty bad without it too.
I wonder what they had to do to get any changes done...and if they used proper protection. 😉
As for some of this religious nonsense, I've been noticing some trends that show, in my opinion, a very manipulative agenda behind the scenes. I'm not sure what their time-line is, and I'm not sure about their goals, but they are certainly bent on making things as bad as possible for the American people. That is clear enough so far.
A mighty bad outlook for the world in general, too.
Now I'm just getting down on it all. I'd better stop. There's too much of this crap all pointing in the same direction.
Good to see you are still hanging around. Any major changes to your stuff? Did you convert to anything strange while I was gone? 😛
In honor of the return of Sum Dude:
• The moderators of this blog have set up a secret forbidden word filter which unfortunately not only will delete or put your comment in the dreaded "waiting for moderation" category but also will do the same to words having fragments of these words. For example, "t-it" is in the set but the filter will also pick up words like Hitt-ite, t-itle, beati-tude, practi-tioner and const-tution. Then there are words like "an-al" thereby flagging words like an-alysis and "c-um" flagging acc-umulate or doc-ument. And there is also "r-a-pe", “a-pe” and “gra-pe”, "s-ex", and "hom-ose-xual". You would think that the moderators would have corrected this by now considering the number of times this has been commented on but they have not. To be safe, I typically add hyphens in any word that said filter might judge "of-fensive".
• Sum Dude routinely updates the list of forbidden words/fragments.
Two of the most filtered words are those containing the fragments "t-it" and "c-um". To quickly check your comments for these fragments, click on "Edit" on the Tool Bar and then "Find" on the menu. Add a fragment (without hyphens) one at a time in the "Find" slot and the offending fragment will be highlighted in your comments before you hit the Post button. Hyphenate the fragment(s) and then hit Post. And remember more than one full web address will also gain a "Waiting for Moderation".
And said moderators still have not solved the chronological placement of comments once the number of comments gets above about 100. They recently have taken to dividing the comments in batches of 50 or so, for some strange reason. Maybe they did this to solve the chronology problem only to make comment reviews beyond the tedious. And the location of new comments are never in the proper location once the comments get above about 200.
“Raison's Filter Fiber© (joking about the copyright)
1. Here's my latest list – this seems like a good spot to set this down, as nobody's posting much on this thread.....
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bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to post that wonderful argument:
Many, if not most are buried within other words, but I am not shooting for the perfect list, so use your imagination and add any words I have missed as a comment (no one has done this yet)
– I found some but forgot to write them down. (shrugs).
s-ex
c-um.........as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, etc.
sp-ic........as in disp-icable (look out Sylvester the cat!)
ho-mo...whether ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, etc.
t-it.........const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, etc.
an-al......ban-al
sh-it
fu-ck...
who-re
tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, (an unexpected one)
pr-ick
sl-ut
c-lit
va-g....as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant
hor-ny
ar-se....yet "ass" is not filtered!
nip-ple
po-rn
c-ock
nig-ger
cu-nt
b-itch
ra-pe
jacka-ss...but ass is fine lol
p-is.....as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, etc.
o ficti-tious, repeti-tion, competi-tion.
Sna-tch
soft-ware
Ja-panese
Span-king
hoo-ters
There are more, so do not assume that this is complete.
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okay words that you might not expect to be filtered....!!!
beaver
penis
ass
crap
damn
anal
anus
sphincter
testicles
testes
pubic
boob
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Here's a word to add to the banned list: co-co-on
whether it's c-oc, or co-on, this is ridiculous.”
@Reality – Thanks, that's almost as good as a cake. 😀
We need a witch to turn Newt into a real human being, or maybe just send him to school. How clueless can you get?
How about a witch to turn him into a real newt?
@Joe – Sounds good to me. Or we could just throw him into a volcano. Maybe he would float. 😛
Gingrich will have my vote.
God Bless him
The claim to a God cannot only be aloud for certain people in America. As superior as you think you are there are others that don't agree. If you want to get back to Jesus, start acting like he would. Or do you have no faith? Republicans represent greed with their financial views, and promote wars and oppression in their own country. Is that REALLY what Jesus would do. The day Jesus returns will be the day they true Christians wake up and realize they have been played by the guile of Satan. All it takes to resurrect the Savior, is for the living to embrace his teachings in life, by being a representative for the love of God and the good it does. Christians are trying to bestow the power of God on a minion of the devil. Would Christ need to die again, to show how important it is that humans be allowed to make their own decisions? Why would anyone even want to be a Christian anymore, if it is just words with no meaning.
That's okay HeavenSent, if republicans are dumb enough to nominate Newt, I'll be switching my vote to President Obama just to cancel yours out.
My comment is awaiting moderation. Which is cnn speak for "sit down and be quiet, no one is going to moderate your post".
HeavenSent. If you value hate, lies, hypocrisy and fear mongering then, I agree. You should vote your conscience and vote for Gingrich 2012. Be true to yourself.
SB, I didn't write that (some weenie stole my handle) and I would never vote for Newt.
Amen..
You and other Republicans have destroyed America for generations.