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Your take: Is American Muslim alienation valid?
Mohammad Ali Elahi, the imam at the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights, Michigan.
March 28th, 2011
05:07 PM ET

Your take: Is American Muslim alienation valid?

Lots of provocative comments on our story about Muslims in one of the country's biggest and oldest Muslim enclaves feeling alienated in their own country. Many commenters are critical of American Muslims; many others sympathetic and supportive.

But the responses are all over the map and largely defy such easy categorization.

Here's a sampling:

Joe from Kalispell
The fact there is even a "Muslim Enclave" is scary. They already wanted to be separate to not be "polluted by American values." They are really pushing their First Amendment right because I am sure the Founding Fathers didn't mean to afford protection to a religion so opposed to our existence as is Islam.

JustAHuman
It is sad to see so much hate in this country and little education about other cultures and religions. In many instances we "Americans" bring destructions upon ourselves and we are blind to see why.

joe
These Muslims are safer in this country than anywhere else in the world. if they think they are unsafe here let them leave.

freeddoom
If you are really sick of them, then don't buy their oil, don't invade their countries, dont kill them, don't steal their land, don't prop up dictators to take their freedom away. I bet they have more reason to be sick of you buddy.

Maya
Islam literally means "submission" to God. Therefore, any human being that submits himself to God is considered to be following "Islam." what that means is, if you are a christian, who submits yourself to God, then you are in fact upholding Islam. You really do have to put the verse into context and understand the exact meanings. Here are a few verse for you to ponder upon:

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians – whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

Kat
Reality, funny because the terrorists never say they do in the name of Islam or to convert people to Islam or force Islam on America. They only complain about the hostile US policies and wars, and its support to Israeli atrocities, many supporters belong to religious  believers who want to see Armageddon and end of the world.

I know the media and politicians tell you that it's all about religion to mute any serious discussion of the root cause of terror.

Wirius
I am not a Muslim. I am APPALLED at the people who profess to faith in God, their ignorant accusations against the Muslim population in America. There are millions of Muslims in America. Some are poor, some are wealthy. Some are devout, some aren't so devout. Some are saints, some are sinners. Muslims are people, just like you and I. The good Muslim, which is the majority, seeks to better theirs, and others lives around them. Don't let the extremists paint your view of many good people. Don't let the fact that third world dictatorships use the Muslim religions blind you to how terrible Christianity was when it was tied to the king. In short, religious people should be showing support and care for the Muslims in our community.

Irritated
I am a Muslim WHITE AMERICAN who can trace family roots back to the 13 original colonies you idiot. This is my country. Accept it.

sassypants
Sick and evil! I will never trust them. I will forever remember Nic, Daniel Pearl, and the victims of 09.11 and countless others who have died at the hands of these monsters. I am angry at whoever created this mess by allowing this cult in the door. Immigration control – Yesterday!!

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Islam • Michigan

soundoff (822 Responses)
  1. Moderate Tennessee Independent

    I think it's very sad that some people treat Muslims as if they were second-class citizens in the United States. Thanks to the First Amendment, all people in the U.S. have freedom of religion. This means that anyone may practice any religion that he or she chooses without interference, and that includes Muslims & other religious groups with whom many Americans disagree. Christians haven't always been nice to followers of other religions (think about the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, and European colonialism in the Americas, Africa, & Asia). It is absurd for people to equate being Muslim with being a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer. This is akin to calling all Christians colonialists or Fascists...after all, those people used doctrine and propaganda based on Christianity to support their extremist ideologies.

    March 30, 2011 at 6:16 pm |
    • krashundburn

      """Christians haven't always been nice to followers of other religions (think about the Crusades"""

      I have a better idea. READ about the Crusades.

      You will learn why they occurred in the first place. Here's a hint – Islamic conquests of the entire Mediterranean area all the way to western France, and Islamic meddling in Christian pilgrimages and shrines.

      April 1, 2011 at 10:03 am |
  2. Dem Christian

    The recent increase in volume for hate of Muslims is merely a strategic ploy by the Republican party. We like to have a bad guy to place our fears on and blame for all our problems. This is what got Bush re-elected and a majority Republican Congress. All the old stand-bys like gay marriage and abortion don't resonate anymore. Much of our debt problems are actually rooted in Republican policies – please see GDP to Debt ratio under both Reagan and Bush Jr. Remember that TARP was Bush's idea and implemented under his administration. Remember Cheney's comment that deficits don't matter. The Tea Party is actually due to Republican decisions, not Democratic – whether they know it or not. I digress.

    Brand Muslims as evil and indirectly hint Obama is a Muslim than by deductive logic Obama is evil. There are evil people regardless of faith and people use their faith as leverage – rather than the other way around. How different is the Crusades vs 9/11? The means were different but the but the reasoning behind both were not. We don't say Christianity is evil (at least the majority.)

    Lastly, I find it sad that there is so much hate by Christians for others. God commands to love your enemies, to spread the word, to be an example of faith – but so many live in contradiction to these basic fundamental concepts and turn people away from Christianity rather than be the light of the world.

    March 30, 2011 at 5:59 pm |
  3. DDSilks

    They do have a right to be here, but I just wish they'd go home. And likewise, WE should come home from their countries.

    March 30, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
  4. DDSilks

    Sorry, but I'd rather have them live someplace other than by me. Sorry, just how I feel. Call me ignorant, whatever, but there are bad seeds in their culture and you never know when one of them is one of those. I read somewhere that one of the 9/11 terrorists was living alone and helping out with a his landlord ,a terminal cancer patient. You never know.

    March 30, 2011 at 4:57 pm |
  5. Nonimus

    3.1429
    should be 3.1415

    wow, am I embarassed.

    March 30, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
  6. Renny

    It sounds like it is time to play a good game of "cowboys and muslims."

    March 30, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
    • Monk

      Probably not politically correct to say it, but I'm beginning to agree with your point of view.

      March 30, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
    • ZeeMan

      @ Renny. And you say Muslims are violent? Look in the mirror and you may see an ugly image.

      March 30, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
  7. TheAgnostic

    JJMurray...nice to have a conversation with someone who thinks. Thanks for your comments. I understand what you are saying, for the most part. You're correct in your statements that faith has a very positive impact on the lives of many. No argument there. As for extremists, yes we face them in many aspects of our lives. I espouse to the theory that the most dangerous of extremist are those driven by a faith or religion. Nonetheless, you comments make complete sense.

    I do take some issue about your comments on physics, the Big Bang, etc. I tend to lean in that direction, and while there is limited empirical evidence supporting that, or Darwin's theory, I am one to lean in that direction. It is something that, with my limited intellect, I can grasp better than reading a book written thousands of years ago about a deity I cannot accept.

    Thanks for your comments. You have obviously though through the issue.

    March 30, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
    • JJMurray

      The Agnostic – Back at ya. 🙂 As for the scientific theories...see what I mean? There is little empirical evidence to support them and what there is seems to change every few months or years and yet you "lean that way". There are those who not only lean, but are planted up to their chins that way. There are some great back and forths in the scientific world with various "renowned" scientists acting just like religious zealots in their condemnation of someone elses theory, especially when it contradicts theirs. String and vibrating string theorists have been at it a couple of years now and while I couldn't even try to understand the actual theories, their diatribes and accusations are entertaining since there is no way for either one to prove they are right. Change that to Baptists and Methodists (just grabbed two out of thin are for an example) and it would apply just as well.
      As for religion, I keep my beliefs pretty simple. I do believe that there is a God but don't ask me to try and define just what that means or entails because I have no idea and figure I won't until it's probably too late to do anything about it. Beyond that I try to stick to the golden rule and good old fashioned common courtesy. So far it's worked for me but, but that's just me as they say.
      Always a pleasure to have a civil discussion.

      March 30, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
    • Monk

      For both of you, one of the most civil discussions I have read on one of these blogs. Shakespear said it best, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

      March 30, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • JJMurray

      Monk – Well thank you very much.

      March 30, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
    • TheAgnostic

      Thanks to both JJ and Monk. A bit of civility is not a bad thing.

      March 30, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
    • Nonimus

      TheAgnostic,
      As an agnostic you seem convinced that religions are wrong, how's that work?

      JJMurray,
      The difference between religion and science is simply that science is based on evidence and religion is not. You state that science is constantly changing, but that is actually one of it's strengths in that it is constantly being refined an made more accurate with each adjustment to new data. In addition, a change does not mean a revolution, in other words finding PI to be 3.1429 instead of 3.14 is a change, but a refinement not a revolution like saying PI is -10. For example, Einstein's Relativity didn't invalidate Newtonian physics, it expanded them. Newton's laws still hold for the world we are used to, but speed things up to relativistic speeds and Newton no longer applies, but Relativity still does.

      As to Evolution, which you both seem to think "there is limited empirical evidence," read some more on the subject. There is a huge amount of evidence, literally, in the number of fossils, and figuratively, in the quant.ity of supporting evidence. Look into things like, Ambulocetas, Tikktallic, Archeoptrix, cytochrome-c, Human chromosome 2, biogeography, endogenous retrovirus, Linski's e. coli experiment, nylon eating bacteria, etc., etc., etc.

      March 30, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • Nonimus

      3.1429
      should be 3.1415

      wow, am I embara.ssed.

      March 30, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • Monk

      Um, Nonimus, I think you should do a bit more reading on the subject of evolution. Try the Cambrian/pre-Cambrian era. So many new species with no "source."

      March 30, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Monk,
      Sorry for the cut and paste, but I wouldn't be able to cite things correctly if I tried to remember them myself. Also, before you discount the website, it does provide citations of the original papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals, like 'Science', so criticize the originals if you want.

      "The length of the Cambrian explosion is ambiguous and uncertain, but five to ten million years is a reasonable estimate; some say the explosion spans forty million years or more, starting about 553 million years ago. Even the shortest estimate of five million years is hardly sudden. "
      "Testate amoebae are known from about 750 Mya (Porter and Knoll 2000). There are tracelike fossils more than 1,200 Mya in the Stirling Range Formation of Australia (Rasmussen et al. 2002). Eukaryotes (which have relatively complex cells) may have arisen 2,700 Mya, according to fossil chemical evidence (Brocks et al. 1999). Stromatolites show evidence of microbial life 3,430 Mya (Allwood et al. 2006). Fossil microorganisms may have been found from 3,465 Mya (Schopf 1993). There is isotopic evidence of sulfur-reducing bacteria from 3,470 Mya (Shen et al. 2001) and possible evidence of microbial etching of volcanic glass from 3,480 Mya (Furnes et al. 2004)."
      (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC300.html)

      March 30, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • Eric R.

      Welcome to the Wednesday edition of "Agnostic Circle Jerk."

      We're all friends here, so pull up a chair next to your favorite Athiest or Agnostic and ask "what can I do to make you feel better today?"

      March 30, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Agnostic Circle Jerk?
      How would that ever come to any "conclusion"?

      March 30, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
    • Eric R.

      I don't know? I'm not sure?
      Maybe we can finish up later?
      Oh, wait.
      Too late.

      March 30, 2011 at 11:00 pm |
  8. Mohammed

    The guy in the picture doesn't not represent Islam .He is a shi,a So shia only represent about 10 % of muslims on the world about 82 % of muslims are sunnah.

    Let's Speak about facts ...

    9/11 4000 death ?

    ok ..

    1-Osam doesn't represent Islam not he isn't a king or president of a country So he doesn't have the right to represent a 1.5 billon !
    other side..

    goerge bush >>

    Invaded Iraq and afgahnstan illagly..

    killed over 30 millon +

    ?

    WHO ARE THE TOURERISTS?! WHO HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE ANGRY ?!

    March 30, 2011 at 3:18 pm |
    • Renny

      Killed over 30 million +????? Ummm, you need to learn how to count. If you are muslim you need to be sent to allah, where you will be suprised when he greets you, red skinned, horns, pointy tail, and funny pitchfork.

      March 30, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
    • JLS639

      If he killed over 30 million there would be almost no Iraqis and Afghans left.

      March 30, 2011 at 6:34 pm |
  9. FastFrankie

    Muslim alienation might be real but it seems they are "alienated" everywhere, until they become the majority and then they lord over all non-Muslims who become "dhimmis", permanent 2nd class citizens. If you identified with Nazism during WW2 or with Communism during the cold war, you'd probably be "alienated" but who cares?? That would be your choice to identify with a violent ideology of oppression and hate. It's not society's duty to make you feel comfortable about belonging to a group that lusts to oppress others whenever possible.

    March 30, 2011 at 3:05 pm |
  10. Jorge

    Political Islam has annihilated every culture it has invaded or
    immigrated to. The total time for annihilation takes centuries, but once Islam
    is ascendant it never fails. The host culture disappears and becomes extinct.
    We must learn the doctrine of political Islam to survive. The doctrine is very
    clear that all forms of force and persuasion may and must be used to conquer us.
    Islam is a self-declared enemy of all unbelievers. The brilliant Chinese
    philosopher of war, Sun Tsu, had the dictum—know the enemy. We must know the
    doctrine of our enemy or be annihilated.
    Or put another way: if we do not learn the doctrine of political Islam, our
    civilization will be annihilated just as Egypt’s Coptic civilization was
    annihilated.
    Since unbelievers must know the doctrine of political Islam to survive, CSPI has
    written all of its books in simple English. Our books are scholarly, but easy to
    read. As an example, anyone who can read a newspaper can pick up A Simple Koran
    and read and understand it. It is not “dumbed down” and contains every single
    word of the original.
    Not only is the language simple, but logic has been used to sort and categorize.
    Context and chronology have been restored. The result is a Koran that is an epic
    story ending in triumph over all enemies of Allah. All of our books and
    philosophy may be found at our center’s website.
    Islam declares that we are the enemies of Allah. If we do not learn the
    political doctrine of Islam we will end up just like the first victims of
    Islam—the tolerant, polytheist Arabs of Saudi Arabia who became the Wahabbis (a
    very strict branch of Islam) of today, the most intolerant culture on the face
    of the earth.

    March 30, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
  11. Jorge

    Warner: Non-political Islam is religious Islam. Religious Islam is what a Muslim
    does to avoid Hell and go to Paradise. These are the Five Pillars—prayer,
    charity to Muslims, pilgrimage to Mecca, fasting and declaring Mohammed to be
    the final prophet.
    But the Trilogy is clear about the doctrine. At least 75% of the Sira (life of
    Mohammed) is about jihad. About 67% of the Koran written in Mecca is about the
    unbelievers, or politics. Of the Koran of Medina, 51% is devoted to the
    unbelievers. About 20% of Bukhari’s Hadith is about jihad and politics. Religion
    is the smallest part of Islamic foundational texts.

    Political Islam’s most famous duality is the division of the world into
    believers, dar al Islam, and unbelievers, dar al harb. The largest part of the
    Trilogy relates to treatment of the unbelievers, kafirs. Even Hell is political.
    There are 146 references to Hell in the Koran. Only 6% of those in Hell are
    there for moral failings—murder, theft, etc. The other 94% of the reasons for
    being in Hell are for the intellectual sin of disagreeing with Mohammed, a
    political crime. Hence, Islamic Hell is a political prison for those who speak
    against Islam.

    Mohammed preached his religion for 13 years and garnered only 150 followers. But
    when he turned to politics and war, in 10 years time he became the first ruler
    of Arabia by averaging an event of violence every 7 weeks for 9 years. His
    success did not come as a religious leader, but as a political leader.
    In short, political Islam defines how the unbelievers are to be dealt with and
    treated.
    FP: Can you touch briefly on the history of political Islam?

    Warner: The history of political Islam starts with Mohammed’s immigration to
    Medina. From that point on, Islam’s appeal to the world has always had the
    dualistic option of joining a glorious religion or being the subject of
    political pressure and violence. After the immigration to Medina, Islam became
    violent when persuasion failed. Jihad entered the world.
    After Mohammed’s death, Abu Bakr, the second caliph, settled the theological
    arguments of those who wished to leave Islam with the political action of death
    by the sword. The jihad of Umar (the second caliph, a pope-king) exploded into
    the world of the unbelievers. Jihad destroyed a Christian Middle East and a
    Christian North Africa. Soon it was the fate of the Persian Zoroastrian and the
    Hindu to be the victims of jihad. The history of political Islam is the
    destruction of Christianity in the Middle East, Egypt, Turkey and North Africa.
    Half of Christianity was lost. Before Islam, North Africa was the southern part
    of Europe (part of the Roman Empire). Around 60 million Christians were
    slaughtered during the jihadic conquest.
    Half of the glorious Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80 million Hindus
    killed.
    The first Western Buddhists were the Greeks descended from Alexander the Great’s
    army in what is now Afghanistan. Jihad destroyed all of Buddhism along the silk
    route. About 10 million Buddhists died. The conquest of Buddhism is the
    practical result of pacifism.
    Zoarasterianism was eliminated from Persia.
    The Jews became permanent dhimmis throughout Islam.
    In Africa over 120 million Christians and animists have died over the last 1400
    years of jihad.
    Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last 1400 years for the
    glory of political Islam. These are the Tears of Jihad which are not taught in
    any school.

    March 30, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
    • Mike

      @Jorge: Thank you for the enlightenment. I think many readers here are young idealists who believe in America's freedom of religion, but that is fine if all the religions respect each others rights. But, history has shown Islam will not play nice with others. It will not respect a separation of church and state, but once in power will take away freedom of religion for all non-believers. This has happened repeatedly throughout history as you have shown, so why should we believe it will be any different today? If you believe in freedom of religion as a political right, you cannot accept Islam as one of those religions because it is not a religion, but a political movement that does not believe in freedom of religion.

      March 30, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
    • krashundburn

      I might add that the Crusades were in response to this Islamic spread and meddling with Christian pilgrimage routes and sites. People don't seem to know why the Crusades occurred in the first place. Before the Christians finally fought back, Muslim forces had penetrated as far west as France.

      April 1, 2011 at 9:57 am |
  12. Viceoreason

    I have no personal problem with any religion that is not hell bent on making me believe life is best thier way. I do, however, take to question any religion that will justify violence in the name of their cause to force others to obey/comply/believe. The such sects/cults should be monitored to protect the "non-believers" from harm. Muslims, see it differently and unfortunately do not police themselves and are responsible for the happenings today.

    March 30, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
  13. PJ

    I think they are scary. We really never know if they consider us infifels or fellow citizens. I guess America is changing. Perhaps they will move closer to Utah and like the Mormans have their own State. Just no violence please from anyone.

    March 30, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
    • SCOTO

      I think if you read the Qu'ran its pretty clear they consider us infidels. How they act as individuals to that belief is what I worry about

      March 30, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
    • David in Corpus

      What is wrong with violence? It has been a workable solution to hard problems throughout history.
      Also, an excellent form of population control. Read Isaac Asimov's theory concerning overpopulation and finite resources.

      March 30, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • Kexessa

      I don't know why they couldn't have stayed in their own countries. Why did they have to come here and invade America, go back where you came from and take your bombs and your jihads and your hate with you.

      March 30, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
    • Jamil

      Scoto – have you actually read the Qur'an, or just some hand-picked passages taken out of context that were presented to you with the intent to make you hate Muslims?  I challenge you to pick up a copy.  That way when you write about something about Islam, you actually know what you are talking about.

      Kexessa – it isn't a matter of going home.  I was born and raised here.  My family has been American as long as yours.  Our forefathers probably immigrated here about the same time.  Where would you like me to go?  Your comment about "take your bombs your jihads and your hate with you":

      1.  You do realize that it is Americans who are fighting 3 wars in Muslim countries, right?  We are the ones dropping bombs every day on innocent people.  The people have what happened here on 911 every day courtesy of Uncle Sam.  Maybe it is American troops who should take their bombs and go home.

      2.  Jihad is the holy war between the light and dark.  We only have to stop bombing other countries and meddling in their affairs and there will be no more aggression towards us.  Until the "Made in the USA" bombs stop raining down on people's heads, fighting will continue.  

      3.  I don't hate you.  

      March 30, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  14. NewMalthus

    Perhaps CNN wlll get around to reporting on what one of its regulars, BILL MAHER, said about it on his show a while back, stating that the Quran is a "hate-filled holy book."

    March 30, 2011 at 2:37 pm |
  15. NewMalthus

    Well, here is a sample from Bill Maher, who said on his show roughly a week before apearing on CNN with discraced ex-Gov. Spitzer, that the Quran is:

    a "hate-filled holy book"

    Funny how CNN, notwithstanding all of its biased coverage on this issue, and the Congressional hearings never picked up on the remarks of one of its regulars.

    March 30, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
  16. TheAgnostic

    JJMurray,, quite the contrary. I am not presenting an ad hominem argument here. I have no religion. I neither believe nor do I disbelieve in any deity I feel genuine pity for those who have abandoned efforts to think through the rational process of faith, religion, belief, whatever you wish to call it. They abandon everything to a "god", dogma, bible, koran, or whatever bit of historical writing to which they subscribe. That's the easy way out. They are selling themselves short by not questioning, thinking rationally and logically through the process, about what the established religions of the world are passing off as "the Word:". Creationism, biblical accounts of the creation of the world, the 7 heavens... they are all of the same script. Feeble attempts to make sense of a universe that we are incapable of comprehending. And that includes me, JJ. I at least I'm not smart enough to understand it and make a decision, and I don't have the strength to make that blind, ,and dangerous, leap of faith. Think about it...it's hard, but it makes sense.

    March 30, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
    • JJMurray

      The Agnostic – Faith is not always the totally blinding thing which makes people "abandon everything to a "god", dogma, bible, koran, or whatever bit of historical writing to which they subscribe". What you are describing is extremism and that is not limited to religion but is quite evident in many other aspects of life. Extremists in any area are blind to anything but their particular point of view and I would agree that is a bad thing. However, faith can also be a comfort to people in times of pain or sorrow, or like the Mennonites helping rebuild New Orleans after Katrina (and through today) can provide them a guide which leads them to help others when they are in need. While religious (and other) extremism has caused no end of problems in the world, there are just as many every day examples of where faith has positively impacted people, communities, even nations not just today, but throughout history. As for the various "writings" of each religion, why are they any more feeble at trying to explain the universe we live in than physics which is constantly changing as new mathematical theorems and postulations appear? Was there ever a big bang? Is string theory right or is it vibrating string theory now? Is the speed of light really a constant? If so why has it been measured at different speeds? Ask these questions to the wrong scientist and they will shout "Off with the heretics head!"

      March 30, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
  17. JJMurray

    There will always be a small segment of the population that doesn't like Muslims, Mormons, Methodists, Catholics, blakcs, Indians, Asians, tall people, short people, smart people, etc. etc. etc. The problem is that there is a real threat from groups that wrap themselves in their Muslim faith and insist on 1) imposing that faith on all, and 2) destroying the Western way of life. You can't ignore them but you also can't call those who want you to be aware of this reality bigots. I doubt the vast majority of Americans try to alienate any group of people who spend their days just going to work, coming home to their families, mow their yards, etc. I think it is far more likely that those who complain about alienation due to (insert your favorite issue here) are more likely the ones who alienate themselves by pushing their particular view of (insert again) on those around them who have no interest and therefore tend not to have anything to do with them.

    March 30, 2011 at 2:10 pm |
  18. TheAgnostic

    Charlize, well said. Whatever ever happened to rational thought, rational discourse, in an effort to overcome blind, unthinking faith is some deity. It is either a devolution of the human intellect, or pitiful creatures hoping that by believing in a deity that their pathetic existence is extended beyond the mortal coil. Fat chance...lol!

    March 30, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
    • JJMurray

      The Agnostic – interesting that you want more rational thought and discourse and then call people who believe in any religion "pitiful creatures hoping that by believing in a deity that their pathetic existence is extended beyond the mortal coil". Sounds more like you just want to call people names and act like your non-specific belief is superior to theirs...wow! That sure sounds like religion.

      March 30, 2011 at 2:13 pm |
  19. Jose M. Pulido

    We do not hate the people who have been duped into believing in Islam; they should be grateful we are trynig to save them from such a worthless, warrisome and harmful ideology. Therefore, islamist should be grateful we care about them. The fact that we point out the evil intentions of Islam to destroy the USA, Israel and the rest of the people of the world whom they call "infidels" is not hate speech. Islamists should quit being so childish by claiming we hate them.
    One thing they should know: If they keep planning attacks on American nuclear plants and other important sites as the most recent Islamist Saudi Arabian chemical engineering student was doing, we will have to ban Islam as a harmful ideology and not as a religion.

    March 30, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
    • Shak

      Unless you missed it Jose, there is freedom of religion in America and banning Islam would go against everything the US stands for or professes to stand for. You can't ban Islam in America and those who are Muslim like me are not duped as well. Do you know any Muslims personally? We are also not Islamists we are called Muslims.

      March 30, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
    • Bethe123

      Shak -

      In cased you missed it Shak, Islam is the most evil and vile 'religion' currently practiced today.

      Therefore, many have moved to label it not as a religion but as a cult. Some think it is a mental illness - which I suggest in not protected by the first amendment...
      Any so-called religion that seeks to kill people for changing their minds - which is the case of Islam - is not one by default that should be granted protection under freedom of religion. Take a good look at Pakistan. Nobody wants that for the US.

      Hence this discussion...there is no question Islam is a problem, only what to do about it.

      March 30, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
    • Labeeb

      White man's burden much?

      March 30, 2011 at 3:12 pm |
    • Paul

      Shak – islam is a totalitarian system of laws and control. Not really a religion at all. It is political. There is an aspect of religion used to control the people. Should and can be banned as a real religion and identified as a political ideology like commnunism or fascism. No one will worry if you, as a muslim, wants to pray in your own home or some building, just don't interfere with others and don't look for special considerations. I don't see Jews, Catholics, Buddhists trying to force their religion down people's throats anymore. Some was done in the past, but by now they have basically grown up while islam remains in the past, just waiting for death. Myself, I'm agnostic, just so you know.

      March 30, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
  20. TheAgnostic

    The point that everyone seems to miss is that religion is the issue. Who knows whose deity is real. Are any of them? I don't know. Most of the problems in history, most of the conflict and death have been caused by fanatics blinded by faith who look to impose their will on the "unbelievers". Islam, Christianity, Judaism,ad infinitum, they are all they same. The feeble attempts of finite mind, like ours, to grasp the infinite, like a deity, leads to trouble. Try rational though over blind faith folks, and see how much reasonable the world becomes.

    As Mahatma Gandhi said...“Faith... Must be enforced by reason...When faith becomes blind it dies.”

    Just a thought.

    March 30, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • charlize

      The beauty of agnosticism is the lack of arrogance that is innate to creationism and atheism. Both the faithful and the atheists are so vehemently insistent they are correct, they sound like stubborn toddlers fighting in a pool of their own hot sick.

      March 30, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
    • David in Corpus

      I say FKemALL, let whatever pig god does exist sort them out.

      March 30, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
    • Mark Yelka

      Banning religion is like banning mental disease. Those who, out of whatever psychological need they have to believe in a god, are mentally afflicted will not only refuse help, but will not even acknowledge that they're worshipping an imaginary being.

      March 30, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
    • Paul

      While "some" problems have been due to religion, many more have been due to normal human needs for existence, such as resources like water and food and land and gold. Religion didn't start any of the major wars in the 20th century, but more people died during WWI than in all other wars before it. Mind you I think that Islam is a realistic threat to civilization, but then it is hardly a religion, just a totalitarian system more akin to nazism and fascism that uses a religious aspect, just like Hitler, to control the sheep. Like Hitler and the Nazi's, needs to be eradicated.

      March 30, 2011 at 6:37 pm |
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