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Your take: Is American Muslim alienation valid?
Mohammad Ali Elahi, the imam at the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights, Michigan.
March 28th, 2011
05:07 PM ET

Your take: Is American Muslim alienation valid?

Lots of provocative comments on our story about Muslims in one of the country's biggest and oldest Muslim enclaves feeling alienated in their own country. Many commenters are critical of American Muslims; many others sympathetic and supportive.

But the responses are all over the map and largely defy such easy categorization.

Here's a sampling:

Joe from Kalispell
The fact there is even a "Muslim Enclave" is scary. They already wanted to be separate to not be "polluted by American values." They are really pushing their First Amendment right because I am sure the Founding Fathers didn't mean to afford protection to a religion so opposed to our existence as is Islam.

JustAHuman
It is sad to see so much hate in this country and little education about other cultures and religions. In many instances we "Americans" bring destructions upon ourselves and we are blind to see why.

joe
These Muslims are safer in this country than anywhere else in the world. if they think they are unsafe here let them leave.

freeddoom
If you are really sick of them, then don't buy their oil, don't invade their countries, dont kill them, don't steal their land, don't prop up dictators to take their freedom away. I bet they have more reason to be sick of you buddy.

Maya
Islam literally means "submission" to God. Therefore, any human being that submits himself to God is considered to be following "Islam." what that means is, if you are a christian, who submits yourself to God, then you are in fact upholding Islam. You really do have to put the verse into context and understand the exact meanings. Here are a few verse for you to ponder upon:

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians – whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

Kat
Reality, funny because the terrorists never say they do in the name of Islam or to convert people to Islam or force Islam on America. They only complain about the hostile US policies and wars, and its support to Israeli atrocities, many supporters belong to religious  believers who want to see Armageddon and end of the world.

I know the media and politicians tell you that it's all about religion to mute any serious discussion of the root cause of terror.

Wirius
I am not a Muslim. I am APPALLED at the people who profess to faith in God, their ignorant accusations against the Muslim population in America. There are millions of Muslims in America. Some are poor, some are wealthy. Some are devout, some aren't so devout. Some are saints, some are sinners. Muslims are people, just like you and I. The good Muslim, which is the majority, seeks to better theirs, and others lives around them. Don't let the extremists paint your view of many good people. Don't let the fact that third world dictatorships use the Muslim religions blind you to how terrible Christianity was when it was tied to the king. In short, religious people should be showing support and care for the Muslims in our community.

Irritated
I am a Muslim WHITE AMERICAN who can trace family roots back to the 13 original colonies you idiot. This is my country. Accept it.

sassypants
Sick and evil! I will never trust them. I will forever remember Nic, Daniel Pearl, and the victims of 09.11 and countless others who have died at the hands of these monsters. I am angry at whoever created this mess by allowing this cult in the door. Immigration control – Yesterday!!

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Islam • Michigan

soundoff (822 Responses)
  1. Drago Dragotis

    They are alienating themselves, they don't assimilate into Western culture, and Oh Yeah, their holy book tells them to convert or kill the infidels. Why should we tolerate this?

    March 31, 2011 at 6:06 am |
    • Renny

      We shouldn't. The blind bleeding heart non thinking liberals are the ones pushing it. If they don't wake up soon the muslim goal will be fulfilled and we will all either have to live by sharia law convert to islam or be killed.

      March 31, 2011 at 9:42 am |
  2. abc

    I've read many of the articles above. With me and I suppose, everybody will agree with me that none of our religion teaches us to hate other religion. The Bible,Koran, Vedas or any other holy books teaches almost the same thing in different languages. IT IS MY REQUEST TO ALL MY SISTERS AND BROTHERS" do not abuse any religion without knowing it".
    If anybody abuses other religion s/he abuses his own religion. ANY DOUBT?

    March 31, 2011 at 5:54 am |
  3. brian

    I am Australian and we dont even really bother with religion like most of us, but can someone explain to me why everyone is so appalled at the guy in USA who stupidly burnt the Koran because he disagreed with it. In Pakistan they have just sentenced a lady to death fro blasphemy and this is just disagreeing with Islam. Why is killing someone ok and not a big deal but burning a book not. I think Muslim people have no right to complain at all until they stop doing worse things, but I sense they believe it is ok to disagree with anything except there religion like all religions are just stories anyway. should concentrate on looking after each other and working and enjoying life. But there is never ever any excuse to kill someone for what they say or think. But if they hurt people you I believe you do something if I was in charge the judge who sentenced someone to death would get a SAS bullet through his head to stop him doing it again

    March 31, 2011 at 4:30 am |
  4. mmi16

    Most of the religions of the world have been evolved, kicking and screaming, to the reality of human rights of the 21st Century. Islam is still stuck in the 7th Century.

    March 31, 2011 at 4:07 am |
  5. gamey doubletake

    With the extreme clash in culture, values, beliefs and daily practices, I do not see the point in having Muslims assimilated into the USA, because they do not adapt like prior waves of immigrants. They might prevent stress and conflict by remaining in parts of the world where they are the norm and therefore gladly accepted. If they insist on moving into Europe & America, then they must fully assimilate. They can not come here to disrupt us. Clearly, we have been shown that we are not welcome in their part of the world. Sometimes a fence keeps the junk-yard dogs from killing each other.

    March 31, 2011 at 2:37 am |
  6. shagadalic

    People are not even trying to impose Sharia Laws in America. Wow americans are driven by news media.

    March 31, 2011 at 1:54 am |
    • Renny

      Dude, you need to pay attention to what goes on. Both Florida and Oklahoma have dealt with cases using Sharia law. In Florida it was allowed. In Oklahoma, last I heard, it was still going back and forth, but the fact it is even being considered is just plain WRONG!!!

      March 31, 2011 at 9:41 am |
  7. iminim

    If the thought of anti-American violence from a Muslim source concerns you perhaps you should do whatever you can to decrease US dependency on some very strong Muslim theocracies by supporting alternative energy research. As long as we need oil, we will be tangled up in Middle Eastern politics. Get away from oil & there will be fewer economic reasons to be politically tied to the region. If the voices of the region are wanting us out, then let's work out a way to leave & take our money with us.
    The original article was about a Muslim community here in the US that was made up of US citizens by birth. Isolating & alienating our own citizens is a mistake. We need to have open communication with American Muslims. When you isolate a group of people through fear & hate it only unites that group toward a common goal. Terrorist organizations prey on the angry, isolated &/or hopeless to use as cannon foddder in their wars all over the world. As Americans, let's not play right into their hands.

    March 31, 2011 at 1:48 am |
  8. Bobbb

    Islam is a religion, not a nationality or a culture as Hitler was determined to eradicate. As a group Islam (Muslim people) drove jumbo jets into our tallest office buildings full of innocent civilians and then Muslims laughed and celebrated it. Furthermore, now Muslims intent to covertly plan any action they can to annihilate every last single American in the world and all their friends (that’s a jihad) which as with Hitler is a culture and nationality target. During the Hitler regime there were few resistant Germans, but being German is a national consequence of where you live. Being Muslim is a religious choice. Destroying America and the American people and the American way of life is the Muslim goal and dream and they will die to the last man, woman and child to achieve that goal. They plan to accomplish this goal in a covert manner, so how do you know any Muslim is not going to kill you some day when you turn your back or let your guard down. You really don’t.

    March 31, 2011 at 1:02 am |
    • Lena Vetch

      You are absolutely right. My next door neighbors are muslim, at first I thought they were nice,
      until I got to know them better. I am being terrorized every night and day. We live in a row houses,
      and at night they play a tape of different noises to wake me up, and they also kill my flowers. I am
      very sick of them, you cannot trust any of them. Their religion do not allow them to befriend anyone
      who is not of their religion.

      March 31, 2011 at 2:06 am |
    • Muneef

      What sort of neighbors they are who do not consider their neibours any way Islam is not a nationality or culture..are they practicing Muslims or just called as Muslims again depending to their nationality and culture since those makes a lot of difference....

      March 31, 2011 at 8:14 am |
  9. Traveler

    Could anyone name one ,and I mean just one Islamic country; a country that recognizes Sharia Law, with Islamic values incorporated into their legal system, actually has a stable economy, unemployment less than 10%, not rife with corruption, a middle class, and not besieged by the constant threat of terrorism by it's own Muslim people? In short, name one functional democratic Islamic country? Islam and democracy with freedom we hold in the USA can not function. Eventually there will come a point that either the USA will concede to the demands of Islam or the USA will have to fight a "holy war".

    March 31, 2011 at 12:38 am |
    • misoislamic

      Could not agree more. The more we let them infiltrate our society and culture, the more we are at risk.

      March 31, 2011 at 12:48 am |
    • BG

      @ Traveler

      "Could anyone name just one..."

      I think Muneef was gloating earlier about how the muslims invented the zero... so I'll go with that.

      – – 0 – –

      March 31, 2011 at 1:07 am |
    • Muneef

      BG.
      With out is we wouldn't be bloging here today...nor would have the world reached to what it has reached today...that nothing was the every thing just as universe...0 &1 = so you see the universe as being the 0 while 1 was the sign that God is One only..... But you are not buying it although it is so clear for the blind to see that with out the 0&1 we would have remained as we were at stand still....But the blinded can not see the hidden meanings behind the words and numbers...

      March 31, 2011 at 7:41 am |
  10. TheAgnostic

    Muneef, quote any book you wish. They are words written by men who knew nothing more than you or me. Stop being blinded by the words of men. For once in your life, think for yourself. Is killing of the "infidels" a good thing? Is keeping women in a subservient position in society a good thing...did the great prophet tell you this? If he did he is no better than any other prophet of god in history. Sorry to burst your bubble dude. There is probably no god, no prophet, no savior of the world. We are on our own. Pretty bad scenario, huh.

    March 30, 2011 at 11:06 pm |
    • Muneef

      You ought to believe in some thing in your life as can't remain all your life as Agnostic ...

      The Quran was inspired and revealed to man by God but words were written by men...as was with the earlier scriptures before they were distorted with time....
      Am perfectly well with living with all faiths and beliefs with respect as long as they had faith in some thing and had respect for my belief...am to fight and kill those who attack me and my faith...we were not told to turn the other cheek for non Muslims... It is the an eye for an eye law that was passed to Children of Israel and of Ismael....

      March 31, 2011 at 7:26 am |
    • Muneef

      Read this please;

      http://www.islamic-study.org/islam_denounces_violence.htm

      March 31, 2011 at 7:16 pm |
  11. Maloof

    How come they dont protect Christains in their countries – non-Muslim human kind have the same fundamental rights and are not Kaffir.

    March 30, 2011 at 10:20 pm |
  12. sagebrush

    Personally I have no sympathy for these Muslims who constantly whine. They brought it on themselves. Their silence regarding terrorism speaks volumes.

    March 30, 2011 at 10:12 pm |
  13. ZeeMan

    Thank you Dem Christian. Couldn't agree more. All those with Islamophobia should get to know some real Muslims and I guarantee you your opinion will change. How many Muslims have they seen in America coming here to spread their religion through violence? NONE. It is only Republican conservative Bush agenda when he invaded Iraq under the pretext that "they hate our way of life". I am a Muslim and I know nothing can be farther from the truth. Muslims don't hate Christians and the American way of life or millions would not have immigrated here. They immigrated here precisely for the American way of life (including myself). What the Muslims and many Christians as well around the world don't like is the political agenda and seeing Muslims being attacked and killed daily with American bombs, and their land (Palestine) being occupied with American political, financial, and military support. There are NO Muslims that are against America for its way of life or because there are Christians here. That is just either propaganda or perpetual ignorance. Period.

    March 30, 2011 at 10:03 pm |
    • Bethe123

      Islamophobia -
      You are an idiot.
      There is no such thing as Islamophobia.

      March 30, 2011 at 10:08 pm |
    • Muneef

      Bethe123
      Islamophobia –
      You are an idiot.
      There is no such thing as Islamophobia.

      Why there might be such thing as Islamophobia ...! But isn't that a new type or form of Swine Flu or Birds Flu?

      March 30, 2011 at 10:21 pm |
    • BG

      "What the Muslims and many Christians as well around the world don't like is the political agenda and seeing Muslims being attacked and killed daily with American bombs, and their land (Palestine) being occupied with American political, financial, and military support."

      So you moved here? On purpose? You emigrated to a country where you perceive political activity you abhor?
      Really? Tell me the truth....

      March 30, 2011 at 10:28 pm |
    • Muneef

      But the question here whether will be needing to wear any specials masks for Islamophobia as it is with swine and birds flu if that cont-agi-ous ?!?    

      March 30, 2011 at 10:28 pm |
    • TheAgnostic

      Zeeman...you offer a logically conclusive statement. It is extremely difficult to argue your point of view that there are NO muslims who are against the American way of life. There must be two sides to the argument. The only conclusive statement in logic is that there are no conclusive statements and both sides must be argued.

      Do you really believe that NO muslim in the world that are against the American way of liife?

      March 30, 2011 at 10:32 pm |
    • DeAguaDulce

      That's funny, ZeeMan, because I lived in the Middle East for several years and came BACK an Islamophobe. It was living in that environment that made me hate Islam.

      March 30, 2011 at 10:36 pm |
    • Muneef

      DeAgueDulce.

      You must must lived your few years in the Middle East as an invader and that what has brought you the fear and hatred of Islam....Man always fear the unknown but when becomes to know it well,man then learns how to live with it with out fears or complains....

      March 31, 2011 at 7:08 am |
    • Renny

      Muneef and ZeeMan, you are muslims? That means I trust you no further than I can throw you. If you are devout, I trust you even less. The world would be a much better and safer place if all muslims went to meet allah real soon.

      March 31, 2011 at 8:58 am |
    • Muneef

      Renny.
      Talking for my self yes I am a Muslim in God's will...
      But how sweet of you to invite us out to heavens and hope by Almighty it would be Pardise with out Judgment.Amen.
      Read here please;

      http://www.islamic-study.org/islam_denounces_violence.htm

      March 31, 2011 at 7:13 pm |
  14. TheAgnostic

    Nomminus, don't know if you are revisiting this board. I left yesterday and just got back. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, but I firmly believe in evolution, and relativity, at least as far as I can understand the latter..lol. Science, empirical evidence, rational thought, logical argument are the basis of human evolution now. We need to cast aside the burden of religion, beliefs, and blind faith. If humankind expects to make it to the next branch on the evolutionary tree we need to change our way of looking at the world. In the meantime, some of us (possibly myself included) are climbing the wrong way on the tree of evolution.

    March 30, 2011 at 9:57 pm |
  15. Me

    The only concern I have is that Sharia law is simply not compatible with freedom and equality. It prevents women from being valued as the equals of men. It prescribes violence for those who leave Islam (whether they convert to another religion or leave religion altogether). Muslims as individuals are not the concern. The concern is anyone who subscribes to a legal system such as Sharia that is so diametrically opposed to equality and freedom.

    March 30, 2011 at 9:21 pm |
  16. Muneef

    With all respect ladys and gentelmen, I can see now America being sliced in to slices of cakes state wise between each faith and belief rather than race or color....

    Al-Qasas sura 28:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    And how many a community have We destroyed that was thankless for its means of livelihood! And yonder are their dwellings, which have not been inhabited after them save a little. And We, even We, were the inheritors. (58) And never did thy Lord destroy the townships, till He had raised up in their mother(-town) a messenger reciting unto them Our revelations. And never did We destroy the townships unless the folk thereof were evil-doers. (59) And whatsoever ye have been given is a comfort of the life of the world and an ornament thereof; and that which Allah hath is better and more lasting. Have ye then no sense? (60).

    Al-Qasas
    As for that Abode of the Hereafter We assign it unto those who seek not oppression in the earth, nor yet corruption. The sequel is for those who ward off (evil). (83) Whoso bringeth a good deed, he will have better than the same; while as for him who bringeth an ill-deed, those who do ill-deeds will be requited only what they did. (84) Lo! He Who hath given thee the Qur'an for a law will surely bring thee home again. Say: My Lord is best aware of him who bringeth guidance and him who is in error manifest. (85) Thou hadst no hope that the Scripture would be inspired in thee; but it is a mercy from thy Lord, so never be a helper to the disbelievers. (86) And let them not divert thee from the revelations of Allah after they have been sent down unto thee; but call (mankind) unto thy Lord, and be not of those who ascribe partners (unto Him). (87) And cry not unto any other god along with Allah. There is no God save Him. Everything will perish save His countenance. His is the command, and unto Him ye will be brought back. (88).

    March 30, 2011 at 8:50 pm |
    • Dan

      Muneef,

      Why was it that a dark, shadowy spirit revealed the Qur'an to Mohammad? If angels dwell in the presence of God and are light, why was this spirit darkness personified? Why did it scream at him to recite and, most inportantly, why did Mohammad think he was possessed by a demon after the experience? It was his wife Khadija that convinced him he was a prophet. If he was a prophet, shouldn't he have figured that out for himself?

      March 30, 2011 at 10:30 pm |
    • Tenzen

      this is for Dan. I am not sure where you got the darkness part to the spirit ( an angel) but they represent themselves in many ways. We do not worship the prophet ( he is a human), and when this happened, he reacted like any human. He was in fear because the oddness of the situation ( an angel telling you to recite, when he was illiterate). This was first time he was contacted by a higher being, and he thought it was some sort of black magic. His wife was trying to comfort him at the time because he was not involved in any sort of black magic (the most honest man in his town). This is just a brief answer to your question, but I am sure there are many ways in which you can find reliable answers (internet, go to a local mosque) etc..

      March 30, 2011 at 10:42 pm |
    • Muneef

      Dan.
      Thanks for asking, Tenzen has done well explaining.
      But let me add that his wife then had a cousin of hers who was a knowledgeable Christian priest named Waraqa Ibn Nawfal who she consulted and assured her it was not a demon act but was a holy spirit....

      http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/BBwaraqa.html     

      March 31, 2011 at 7:00 am |
  17. soysauce

    I don't like religion. Period. They're all the same to me.

    March 30, 2011 at 8:37 pm |
  18. JR

    Any muslim that feels alienated is self-alienating...

    America is the Land of Opportunity, not the land of respect-my-14th-century-values-or-else-I'll-call-you-a-racist.

    March 30, 2011 at 8:11 pm |
    • Orly

      Well, I'm currently being asked to swallow yours and a bunch of other bigots' 19th century values...

      March 30, 2011 at 8:34 pm |
    • doughnuts

      That's five centuries worth of improvements.

      March 30, 2011 at 8:46 pm |
  19. sron

    These comments are hilariously stupid, even most of them highlighted in the article.
    And to think most of these are registered voters in the U.S.

    If the muslims living in America felt strongly about anti-western terrorism, or "some" of their UK and US mosques propagating terrorism and hate of everything non-Islamic they should have speak up, LOUDLY and CONSTANTLY against it. Until then, the sad facts of decades of anti-americanism, anti-christianity, anti-semitism, the refusal to assimilate, and the failure of "multiculturalism speak for themselves.

    Diversity is not Dispersity.

    March 30, 2011 at 7:29 pm |
    • Bill

      Do you speak up LOUDLY and CONSTANTLY against Fred Phelps, The aryan nations, christian heritage party members, and other extreme christians? I get sick of defending christianity to people based on what these people do, why do you expect muslims to feel any differently?

      March 31, 2011 at 6:27 am |
  20. Peter Gozenya

    Religion is the opiate of the masses, Carl Marx, I would never join a club that would have me as a member, Groucho Marx

    March 30, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
    • TheAgnostic

      Peter, while your first comment is taken somewhat out of context, I agree. As for your second....I could not agree more! It's not Jesus Christ that I mind, it's his fan club that drives me nuts...lol.

      March 30, 2011 at 10:04 pm |
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