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Your take: Is American Muslim alienation valid?
Mohammad Ali Elahi, the imam at the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights, Michigan.
March 28th, 2011
05:07 PM ET

Your take: Is American Muslim alienation valid?

Lots of provocative comments on our story about Muslims in one of the country's biggest and oldest Muslim enclaves feeling alienated in their own country. Many commenters are critical of American Muslims; many others sympathetic and supportive.

But the responses are all over the map and largely defy such easy categorization.

Here's a sampling:

Joe from Kalispell
The fact there is even a "Muslim Enclave" is scary. They already wanted to be separate to not be "polluted by American values." They are really pushing their First Amendment right because I am sure the Founding Fathers didn't mean to afford protection to a religion so opposed to our existence as is Islam.

JustAHuman
It is sad to see so much hate in this country and little education about other cultures and religions. In many instances we "Americans" bring destructions upon ourselves and we are blind to see why.

joe
These Muslims are safer in this country than anywhere else in the world. if they think they are unsafe here let them leave.

freeddoom
If you are really sick of them, then don't buy their oil, don't invade their countries, dont kill them, don't steal their land, don't prop up dictators to take their freedom away. I bet they have more reason to be sick of you buddy.

Maya
Islam literally means "submission" to God. Therefore, any human being that submits himself to God is considered to be following "Islam." what that means is, if you are a christian, who submits yourself to God, then you are in fact upholding Islam. You really do have to put the verse into context and understand the exact meanings. Here are a few verse for you to ponder upon:

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians – whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

Kat
Reality, funny because the terrorists never say they do in the name of Islam or to convert people to Islam or force Islam on America. They only complain about the hostile US policies and wars, and its support to Israeli atrocities, many supporters belong to religious  believers who want to see Armageddon and end of the world.

I know the media and politicians tell you that it's all about religion to mute any serious discussion of the root cause of terror.

Wirius
I am not a Muslim. I am APPALLED at the people who profess to faith in God, their ignorant accusations against the Muslim population in America. There are millions of Muslims in America. Some are poor, some are wealthy. Some are devout, some aren't so devout. Some are saints, some are sinners. Muslims are people, just like you and I. The good Muslim, which is the majority, seeks to better theirs, and others lives around them. Don't let the extremists paint your view of many good people. Don't let the fact that third world dictatorships use the Muslim religions blind you to how terrible Christianity was when it was tied to the king. In short, religious people should be showing support and care for the Muslims in our community.

Irritated
I am a Muslim WHITE AMERICAN who can trace family roots back to the 13 original colonies you idiot. This is my country. Accept it.

sassypants
Sick and evil! I will never trust them. I will forever remember Nic, Daniel Pearl, and the victims of 09.11 and countless others who have died at the hands of these monsters. I am angry at whoever created this mess by allowing this cult in the door. Immigration control – Yesterday!!

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Islam • Michigan

soundoff (822 Responses)
  1. mar1961

    political correctness will be the downfall of our great civilization, we already screwed up by putting hussein in the white house, I'm rooting for trump in 2012, he's all american

    March 31, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
    • teepee

      eatdirtanddie dirtbag.

      March 31, 2011 at 4:00 pm |
  2. Fred

    Call a whaaaaaambulance...the Muslims can't take free speech.

    March 31, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
  3. MICHELLE

    Science will fly you to the moon...Religion will fly you into buildings. Keep the Muslims and their beliefs in their own countries and out of America!

    March 31, 2011 at 2:14 pm |
    • tony

      All religions are welcome in America. It's in the 1st amendment.

      March 31, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
    • Monk

      And that tony, will be the death of the great "american experiment." Now don't take that to mean that I am against all religions or religious freedom in america. Here is a quote from another person on another forum that I happen to agree with,

      "For example, if I read the Quran today, convert to Islam tomorrow, and never tell anybody, and keep my belief private and do not impose it on anybody, then I am not sure anybody could object to that...and this forum would not even exist in that case.
      But Islam seems to require a little more of its followers than a passive belief...and it is the principles of Islam, and I suppose the example of Mohammed, since he represents the ideal man in Islam, that is evil."

      I have a problem with any religion that has not evolved enough in this day and age, to be beyond worshipping the ramblings of a pedophile prophet. One that believes women are property and treats them no better.

      March 31, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • Becca

      you are so very right, Kudos to you

      March 31, 2011 at 3:02 pm |
  4. Monk

    Cultural diversity to the depth, that those who choose to be blind and the politically correct want it to be practiced, will be the doom of this country. I don't see how so many people cannot see it coming. There are perfect examples of what we have to look forward to happening right now in England and France.

    March 31, 2011 at 2:08 pm |
  5. squirrel

    This is why multiculturalism dosen't work until everyone is assimilated into American ways of life and this goes for any immigrant legal or illegal people will want to harrass and bully everyone that is different. Here's the rub as long as you participate in American traditions and beliefs your group could do and go on without harrassment in your place of worship. But they all want their own culteral lifestyles and feeling of their "home" country so until they learn that to be a American is to celebrate American ideals and traditions they should be harrassed or deported.

    March 31, 2011 at 1:56 pm |
    • :(

      multiculturalism IS the American way of life. Tolerance and freedom ARE the American traditions and beliefs. That's why America is great- you have the freedom to choose whatever cultural lifestyle you want.

      March 31, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
    • BG

      @ 😦

      Clearly, you have no idea what multiculturalism is. In addition, every major European country that has tried it has declared it's failure.

      Ain't gonna happen.

      March 31, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
  6. omar

    It is time US recognizes people of hard core "Islamic faith" as anti human not condemned by liberal or moderate muslims. Islam spread through the use of SWORD, INHUMANITY, and CRUELTY. Look at the fate of "MILD" non islamic south eastern nations who NOW are Islamic nations OR disparately fighting for survival from Islamists. Is the treatment of women in the Islamic society fair? Does brutal killing in 9/11, Mumbai, etc., symbolize "COMPASSION" as many islamic supporters call that Islam is a religion of "compassion"? Time to abandon hypocracy and dogmatism!!! As Gandhi said – if every one takes revenge as in with "EYE FOR EYE", the whole world will be TOALLY BLIND. Using sharia law symbolizes human cruelty at its peak that is currently followed in islamic nations. Even teen aged girls are not spared from cruelty.
    It is the responsibility of of islamic people to REDISCOVER true islam. USA MUST not support fakes who use the name of freedom of speech and democracy.

    March 31, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
  7. tony

    The freedom to worship as one sees fit might be this single most important founding principle of this country. It is what sets our country apart and makes us great, and certainly better than theocracies like Iran. We should never stoop to that level.l Intolerance towards Islam is a much bigger threat to America than Islam itself will ever be. If you want to defend the American way, defend the ideals that it was built upon. All forms of religious intolerance and persecution are as inherently unAmerican as is possible.

    March 31, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
    • Monk

      How about the religious intolerance of muslims toward non-believers? Another poor person that chooses blindness. I'm so sorry.

      March 31, 2011 at 2:04 pm |
    • tony

      what about it?

      I'm condemning intolerance completely, no matter who it comes from.

      In fact I even wrote that we should never stoop to that level, because if we do, we are giving up what makes America stand out as a great, free nation.

      Perhaps you should focus a little more on your own vision and actually read what people are posting before calling people blind.

      March 31, 2011 at 2:12 pm |
    • Monk

      No, I read what you posted, I just don't agree with it. Intolerance toward islam is fully justified. Their goals, intolerance toward all non-believers, make the religion of islam incompatible with this country. That being said, should the religion evolve as christianity has, then perhaps it can be tolerated and accepted. Even christianity in the beginning was not very nice, but it did evolve. Islam has not.

      March 31, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
  8. Seriously

    Monk you have Muslims confused with Christians.

    March 31, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • Monk

      Aaaaah, another one that chooses blindness. I'm sorry.

      March 31, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
  9. WarriorsMk2u

    Also, the Muslims coming here and wanting their religious laws to part of the US society is absolutly no different than the Roman Catholic Bishops trying to forbid contraception, abortion and gay rights. Agree or Not – Rome has no business trying to impose their religious views on the whole nations- and for that matter neither do the Protestant Fundamentalists.

    March 31, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
  10. WarriorsMk2u

    The Muslims have several valid arguments. 1.) Bush should have consistantly used the word terrorists or extremists instead of Muslims. It has left the world and almost all Muslims that we are at war with their religion. It would be similar to a group saying they were at war with Christians insteada of Germany or France or the US. Many comments I have read assume the Muslims are monolithic instead of having various views.

    Also, there seems to be this myth of sharia law being enacted. The word has several meanings and connotations. Sharia in many cases is no more a danger than keeping Kosher law. Let's think before we speak or react.

    March 31, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
    • Monk

      There is nothing so pitiful as the blind who choose not to see.

      March 31, 2011 at 12:28 pm |
  11. XWngLady

    Of course it is....Juan Williams' sentiment about seeing Muslims on the plane was a perfect example. When Americans see Muslims, many of them think "terrorist", "Extreme" "Backward" "Holier-than-thou", or any number of other ridiculous, false generalizations. And then people act on these stereotypes by alienating and discriminating. Its nothing new. Muslims are just the new "minority" in this country to feel the wrath of the "majority".

    March 31, 2011 at 12:14 pm |
    • Monk

      And you need to do some real in depth research, reading, and looking at what is happening in other countries, with an open mind. If Islam is not seen for what it really is very soon, America will be under sharia law and muslims will be in charge. I like your name by the way.

      March 31, 2011 at 12:24 pm |
    • XWngLady

      (No) Thank you for your uninformed advice advice. lived and studied in a Muslim country, I have done more than enough research to make an informed opinion about it. I have met Muslims both good and bad and I actually own a copy of and have read the Qu'ran. I've read it in context and in contrast to the Bible and the Torah. While Islam/the Qur'an itself, in my opinion, is in error on my things, I do not find that it is any more responsible for people committing acts of terror/violence than the Bible or the Torah is. PEOPLE, individuals make a personal decision to be violent. And there are violent, unstable, people in every religion, every race, and every nationality. And these gross generalizations are not helpful.

      March 31, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
    • XWngLady

      Thank you (sincerely) about the username. I am a bona-fide, true-blue, red-blooded Star Wars fan.

      March 31, 2011 at 12:57 pm |
    • Monk

      Your welcome. Please explain, then, what is happening in Europe, England and France in particular, and what is already beginning to happen in this country, i.e. oklahoma and florida, particularly the case in florida where the muslim man killed his daughter because she had an american boyfriend and he had already promised her in marriage to someone back in their home country. His lawyer is saying he should not be punished because he was following sharia law. Since when do we follow sharia law in this country? Not yet as far as I know.

      March 31, 2011 at 1:04 pm |
    • Monk

      "PEOPLE, individuals make a personal decision to be violent. And there are violent, unstable, people in every religion, every race, and every nationality." If that is true and it is only people and not the religion, then even you have to admit that there are an inordinate number of muslims making the "personal decision" to be violent.

      I too am a star wars fan. Though I'm a bit upset Lucas won't finish the series after such promise.

      March 31, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
  12. Becca

    NO MUSLIMS DESERVE SPECIAL TREATMENT IN THIS NATION. THEY CHOSE TO COME HERE. YET THEY ARE INSISTENT WE PRACTICE THER LAWS HERE. I DON'T CARE IF A MUSLIM WAS BORN HERE, IT STILL IS NOT THEIR COUNTRY IF THEY CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR JIHAD AND MANY STUDENTS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE DOING JUST THAT. THEY ARE COMPLETELY NOT TO BE TRUSTED NO MATTER IF THEY WERE BORN HERE OR NOT. I KNOW THEIR AGENDA, THE 'BIBLE SPELLS IT OUT VERY CLEARLY.I DO NOT HATE THEM, BUT IN NO WAY DO I TRUST ONE, NO NOT EVEN ONE. THEIR DOCTRINE SPELLS THE END OF OUR NATION AND THE NATION OF ISREAL.

    March 31, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
    • Seriously

      Uh Becca but you are giving them 'special treament' by alienating them, treat them like you treat every one else, i dare you!

      March 31, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
  13. Meh

    ISLAM – a fool's errand

    March 31, 2011 at 12:02 pm |
  14. SC

    Good TV – bad Journalism – no favor to american muslims

    You did american muslims no favor by tossing softballs to the Muslim community while portraying southern Christians as buffoons and bigots. In your show about the Muslims next door the Imam was questioned about the funds used to purchase the land for the Islamic Center. If my math was right he would have need to collect about $2000. 00 from each Mosque member in one fund raising event. He may have had a good answer but you did not follow up.
    Instead you focused on a colorfully dressed attorney who claimed Islam is not a religion. I think I even heard later in the show a CNN performer who said Islam was one of the World’s “3 great religions” . Which 3 were you talking about? If you were discussing Judaism, Christianity, and Islam – were you pandering to Islam’s problems with Hinduism or maybe leaving out Judaism as there are not many Jews or maybe ignoring Buddhism or Taoism.
    In short you focused on folks you portrayed as funny rednecks and made their real concerns into a freedom of religion issue.
    You made great TV but bad Journalism. Good journalists follow the money and ask difficult follow-up questions to both sides.

    You also let an erudite young Muslim woman answer a question about abuses of women in Muslim States answer with “do I look abused?” She deserved a follow-up question asking if she denied others were abused. She may have had a good answer, but was not given the chance. She may have been able to make a point worth making, She may have been able to shed light on what actually happens under Sharia, but all we know is that she was not abused.

    Finally - the acid test question never got asked " is it part of your agenda to drive Israelis out of Israel ?"

    March 31, 2011 at 11:58 am |
  15. dan

    This discussion is an important one, and there are many good comments here, so I thought I'd add a few more comments. There is no doubt that there are many folks of religious bent that use/misuse their religious beliefs to justify all manner of mayhem. It should be plainly obvious however, that this is not mainstream thinking for any religion except islam or in any lands except muslim lands. Subjugating the infidel is mainstream thinking in the muslim world who subscribe to the teachings in their holy texts. Theres an entire language to discribe those who are not muslims and its all pejorative. Those teachings are considered to be the word of god, and who wants to disobey their god; if god said it, it must be correct. This is why muslims can target civilians anywhere; god told them its OK and they, the infidels, are inferior in any event and are therefore legitimate targets. Indeed civilians are not "innocent". Make no mistake, this is, at its heart, a martial supremist totalitarian ideology and those who have commented about the numbers aspects if infiltrating muslims in alien lands(eg USA)understand the problem exceptionally well. We will ultimately lose this fight for lack of will and our inability to recognize reality: this is the legacy of the liberal left which has pounded us for 30+ years with political correctness and the blessings of multiculturalism. Finally, it is fair to say that while many muslims live here and have accomodated their religious beliefs to the secular democracy in which they live, there are still a large number who are driven by this ideology, taken very seriously, who would do us harm. Designing the net selective enough to allow the innocents to go free and catch the miscreants is exceedingly difficult in our rights dominated democracy; those who would tie the hands of our protectors need to think about that when loudly complaining about loss of freedoms. I'd rather lose a few to my fellow countrymen rather than all to the next totalitarian cloaked in religious garb.

    March 31, 2011 at 11:29 am |
  16. JuicyJoyce

    My forefathers came to this country and embraced its culture and history - they did not continue to live in small Italian communities and their children married outside their religion and no one was punished for it - everyone was embraced. This is something Muslims do not do; they want all the privileges of Americans but they don't want to give up their cultural habits and they certainly do not want to BLEND with Americans. We must be vigilant in watching them.

    March 31, 2011 at 11:23 am |
    • XWngLady

      Are you kidding? There are so many "Little Italies" in this country its hard to count. Especially in New York City (Bronx, Manhattan, etc.) where italians have carved out their own little communities. The Mafia is an Italian transplant straight from Sicily that has no intention of "Blending in" as part of blending in is obeying the law. There are "little Ireland"s (Boston), Chinatown, Koreatowns, Little Mexicos, Little India's, etc. all throughout this country. While I understand your sentiment, I think that this notion of forefathers coming here and suddenly becomoing completely assimilated into the culture that was already here at the time is a myth.

      March 31, 2011 at 12:40 pm |
    • Mike

      Sigh! If your fathers had really "assimilated" into America. They would have embraced the religious tolerance that American experience is all about.

      March 31, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
    • outsider

      Present day America's forefathers came here, spread disease among the natives, waged a war with them and are mostly responsible for most of the natives dying out. Assimilation, anyone? All events have to be looked at in the context of history.

      March 31, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
    • mar1961

      beautifully said joice, I came here from the same background and we flourishedby embracing the west, I ask everyone, if they come here to make a better life, and they say they love this country, then why try to change it with these caveman standards, we have laws here, the people who wrote them were educated, not cavemen, oh and by the way, our women have equal rights here, what rights do your women have under islam...

      March 31, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
  17. Monk

    From reading a lot of these postings, I have come to the conclusion that the people espousing "tolerance and acceptance" should do some real in depth research, learning and analysis on their own. Anyone that does so with an open mind will be so surprised at how blind they had been.

    March 31, 2011 at 11:22 am |
    • Gwen

      I just received a letter from a friend in England complaining about all the Muslims taking over everything
      with their masses. We are too blind to see it coming but you are right it will. Their whole religion wants
      to destroy everything and everybody but themselves. Get rid of them.

      March 31, 2011 at 12:40 pm |
    • Monk

      Gwen, Yes, it will happen here. That is the reason we should pay close attention to the examples coming out of Europe. The blindness in this country is due party to our size. The take over is happening quicker in European countries due to their smaller sizes and populations.

      March 31, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
    • Gwen

      Monk...thank you for replying. The Germans never saw it coming when Hitler was doing his thing either. A lot of the Muslims do not even see the ones who are promoting the whole thing. There are always some innocent bystanders, but
      the majority of them are hell bent on destroying the US and so far are getting away with it because we are so stubborn and blind, even after 9/11. I don't understand it. In fact I don't understand our Government anymore either. Instead of helping all our citizens all they do is fight among themselves, Rep. and Democ. like little children and don't give a damn about anybody but themselves. Sound familiar!!!!

      March 31, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
    • Monk

      Gwen, I hesitate to make the comparison, though a lot of the same things are in line to be accomplished by muslims, though different reasons (religious) are being cited. There are a broad spectrum of similarities of goals (in general rather than specific), utilizing a different means and reason for accomplishing them.

      March 31, 2011 at 1:12 pm |
    • Gwen

      Of course you are right too. They just do the same thing under the guize of religion like so many churches do. It is really
      very frightening and hope something can be done about it but I am afraid it is way too late.

      March 31, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
    • nheckt

      If their land is so great, why do they have to come here. Because this land is great. Why do we have to change for other people to come here. We don't go over there and tell them they have to accept us and change their laws and beliefs. Their laws don't bend for us, why should we bend. If you want to come over, that is fine, becaome westernized. If you don't like it, stay there.

      March 31, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
    • Sasha

      I am from Germany, currently living here in the US; I can second Gwen's post. In addition, I think she is not entirely on the wrong side when she compares this to Hitler; the reason and means are a bit different (aren't they always?); but think about it this way: do you honestly think that the Germans KNEW, with a 100% certainty what was going on, or do you think that they did exactly what we are doing now? Sitting around, seeing all the things that develop and talking about it? Some of us saying "don't worry" others saying "we shouldn't accept everything as truth just because someone says so". Maybe they too were trying to get some clear information (news) on the things they heard but couldn't and in lieu of solid information they did what most of us are doing right now; they believed in the goodness of humanity. In reality we will only know for sure once it has actually come to pass. So the real question is this: if the Germans would have believed the worst of humanity and demanded to know (to the point of giving their life) could they have saved millions of others? Are we willing to believe the worst of humanity and are we willing to give everything (our houses, our partners, children, jobs etc) to take up the cause of finding the reality of this matter or are we just going to sit around and talk some more?

      March 31, 2011 at 1:31 pm |
    • Monk

      Gwen, I don't think it is too late yet, though there is not much time left. The only thing saving us so far is our size. More people need to open their eyes or we are in trouble. There needs to be more people like Sasha from Germany "testifying" to americans since it seems a lot of americans have their blinders on and are following "liberalspeak," of tolerance, acceptance, and political correctness.

      March 31, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
  18. Patrick

    Check your history books: ISLAM HAS ALWAYS GROWN BY FORCE ...never by "gentle persuasion". Snap out of it people!!

    March 31, 2011 at 11:09 am |
    • Whatever

      Oh really??? Then why is it still spreading in the US and Europe? iIsee too many Muslims going around with swords trying to covert anyone.

      March 31, 2011 at 11:55 am |
    • Monk

      @whatever, you will as soon as their population is great enough and they get the power. check out what is happening in england.

      March 31, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
    • Becca

      You are so ccrrect

      March 31, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
  19. Salty Bob

    In the beginning man created the gods

    What I think of organized religion. I hope you gleam a small bit of useful information as I have. What games religion is playing in America and the world today? We live in a rare time and country where we can choose for ourselves how much or little Religion we want in our lives, but the followers of most religions just don’t understand the word no! Not in my life not in my schools not in my government, NO! is the choice I have made for me and my family, the following reasons are part of the problem as I see it.

    First: religion is in no way real. The word religion or god is nothing more than an expression or product of human fear and weaknesses or imagination in some cases. The Bible/Koran, a collection of ancient myths and stories borrowed from many different cultures over hundreds of centuries or longer. Sadly the followers of Christianity, Islam, and others want to make decisions for us all based on there interpretation of books that are in no way real. These groups are working hard and spending millions trying to influence our politicians to pass laws based on there interpretation of these books. Trying to convert the USA into a religious state. I hope to never see any religious icons on our flag, because then it would be a good time to leave.

    Second: Religion no longer has a place in the real world. It divides us as a people to choose ignorance over logic, to forsake the future for a ruthless past. A Wall of Separation is supposed to protect us from all religious infringement upon our school’s teachings of science to find real truth and knowledge. Not to pass out fairytales to our children of some aged dogma from an era long dead, our children deserve better.

    Many of these groups place supernatural abilities on some of its members, born of a virgin or walk on water or cure the blind sick or to fly. Throughout history you will find many who have claimed the same feats, again they are all wrong. No interpretation no matter how subtle can change the fact these are nothing but stories meant to entertain or teach something to the people of that era nothing more.

    Religion, as an idea has been with us before recorded history from early man’s worshiping of nature to Charlemagne’s murder of the innocent in the name of Christianity, to jets crashing into towers in the name of Islam. Coerced observance is the main method almost all these religions use. Worship me or you will be tortured for all eternity or murdered out right. Fear mongering, or coercion is tyranny! Remember the Dark Age’s religions rule in that dark, distant past didn’t serve our ancestors well it certainly won’t serve us any better today! These are the labels I proudly wear heretic, infidel, atheist, man of science, freethinker.

    Third: We put our trust in our elected officials to maintain the wall of separation, to prevent religion’s ever reaching grasp from tainting the consideration of new laws, as well as research designed to help many! This country was not founded on the rule of any ones religion, but more the lack of religious influence in the governing of this country. But time and again you hear religious overtones spouting out of our leaders, The wall is crumbling. The time for the burning of witches, belief in a flat earth, the murdering of doctors, and crimes against women and children or religions many other immoral and vile acts committed against humanity as a whole can no longer and should no longer be tolerated no matter what religious book or god demands it.

    Anyone of good conscience should agree with what I have said and ban together, so we can bring this country the very world we live on into the 21st century free of these groups hold on our minds and revel in all the promise this century has to offer so our children's children's children will look back in pride an see we did what we did for them and there posterity. This is after all a very small world and a grate leaping point into the vast unknown. I so hope more minds are opened and see beyond the centuries of engrained dogma. I just hope it`s not layed to waste. Let the wall stand strong

    March 31, 2011 at 10:53 am |
    • Monk

      There are more things in heaven and earth Salty Bob, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

      March 31, 2011 at 11:24 am |
    • Mike

      I have a personal relationship with God not a religion. I've been transformed by God. There was once a time when I feared death and dying alone, but no longer. There was a time when I didn't care about Jesus or had a interest in the Bible. The Bible is the word of God; no man would ever love his enemies as he loves himself. No one would ever say to do good to those who do evil to you. Man didn't create God to have something to worship; man has always had things to worship. There was a time when I would have cared less about where others would spent eternity not to mention myself. Jesus has changed my life. One day my life wil end as so will yours. It's sad that many like you who continue to deny the greatest love ever to follow after a religion. Yes, even all of you who don't believe in His existence are following a religion called evolution.

      March 31, 2011 at 3:18 pm |
    • krashundburn

      """even all of you who don't believe in His existence are following a religion called evolution."""

      NO, Mike.

      Science is not a "belief" in any sense of the word. It's not a religion. It's a method of learning. You need to understand that.

      April 1, 2011 at 9:29 am |
  20. Salty Bob

    In the beginning man created the gods

    What I think of organized religion. I hope you gleam a small bit of useful information as I have. What games religion is playing in America and the world today? We live in a rare time and country where we can choose for ourselves how much or little Religion we want in our lives, but the followers of most religions just don’t understand the word no! Not in my life not in my schools not in my government, NO! is the choice I have made for me and my family, the following reasons are part of the problem as I see it.

    First: religion is in no way real. The word religion or god is nothing more than an expression or product of human fear and weaknesses or imagination in some cases. The Bible/Koran, a collection of ancient myths and stories borrowed from many different cultures over hundreds of centuries or longer. Sadly the followers of Christianity, Islam, and others want to make decisions for us all based on there interpretation of books that are in no way real. These groups are working hard and spending millions trying to influence our politicians to pass laws based on there interpretation of these books. Trying to convert the USA into a religious state. I hope to never see any religious icons on our flag, because then it would be a good time to leave.

    Second: Religion no longer has a place in the real world. It divides us as a people to choose ignorance over logic, to forsake the future for a ruthless past. A Wall of Separation is supposed to protect us from all religious infringement upon our school’s teachings of science to find real truth and knowledge. Not to pass out fairytales to our children of some aged dogma from an era long dead, our children deserve better.

    Many of these groups place supernatural abilities on some of its members, born of a virgin or walk on water or cure the blind sick or to fly. Throughout history you will find many who have claimed the same feats, again they are all wrong. No interpretation no matter how subtle can change the fact these are nothing but stories meant to entertain or teach something to the people of that era nothing more.

    Religion, as an idea has been with us before recorded history from early man’s worshiping of nature to Charlemagne’s murder of the innocent in the name of Christianity, to jets crashing into towers in the name of Islam. Coerced observance is the main method almost all these religions use. Worship me or you will be tortured for all eternity or murdered out right. Fear mongering, or coercion is tyranny! Remember the Dark Age’s religions rule in that dark, distant past didn’t serve our ancestors well it certainly won’t serve us any better today! These are the labels I proudly wear heretic, infidel, atheist, man of science, freethinker.

    Third: We put our trust in our elected officials to maintain the wall of separation, to prevent religion’s ever reaching grasp from tainting the consideration of new laws, as well as research designed to help many! This country was not founded on the rule of any ones religion, but more the lack of religious influence in the governing of this country. But time and again you hear religious overtones spouting out of our leaders, The wall is crumbling. The time for the burning of witches, belief in a flat earth, the murdering of doctors, and crimes against women and children or religions many other immoral and vile acts committed against humanity as a whole can no longer and should no longer be tolerated no matter what religious book or god demands it.

    Anyone of good conscience should agree with what I have said and ban together, so we can bring this country the very world we live on into the 21st century free of these groups hold on our minds and revel in all the promise this century has to offer so our children's children's children will look back in pride an see we did what we did for them and there posterity. This is after all a very small world and a grate leaping point into the vast unknown. I so hope more minds are opened and see beyond the centuries of engrained dogma. I just hope it`s not layed to waste by then.

    March 31, 2011 at 10:52 am |
    • Gwen

      I agree with you on everything except I believe there is a God, but he did not write the Bible and can't be blamed for all the fairy stories in it. My friends in England just wrote us and said the Muslims have all but taken over their country already. They don't give a damn about anyone but themselves and their religion which vows to take out everyone but their own kind. Thanks for your blog but I doubt if any of the bible thumpers will pay any attention to it.

      March 31, 2011 at 12:49 pm |
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