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Your take: Is American Muslim alienation valid?
Mohammad Ali Elahi, the imam at the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights, Michigan.
March 28th, 2011
05:07 PM ET

Your take: Is American Muslim alienation valid?

Lots of provocative comments on our story about Muslims in one of the country's biggest and oldest Muslim enclaves feeling alienated in their own country. Many commenters are critical of American Muslims; many others sympathetic and supportive.

But the responses are all over the map and largely defy such easy categorization.

Here's a sampling:

Joe from Kalispell
The fact there is even a "Muslim Enclave" is scary. They already wanted to be separate to not be "polluted by American values." They are really pushing their First Amendment right because I am sure the Founding Fathers didn't mean to afford protection to a religion so opposed to our existence as is Islam.

JustAHuman
It is sad to see so much hate in this country and little education about other cultures and religions. In many instances we "Americans" bring destructions upon ourselves and we are blind to see why.

joe
These Muslims are safer in this country than anywhere else in the world. if they think they are unsafe here let them leave.

freeddoom
If you are really sick of them, then don't buy their oil, don't invade their countries, dont kill them, don't steal their land, don't prop up dictators to take their freedom away. I bet they have more reason to be sick of you buddy.

Maya
Islam literally means "submission" to God. Therefore, any human being that submits himself to God is considered to be following "Islam." what that means is, if you are a christian, who submits yourself to God, then you are in fact upholding Islam. You really do have to put the verse into context and understand the exact meanings. Here are a few verse for you to ponder upon:

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians – whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

Kat
Reality, funny because the terrorists never say they do in the name of Islam or to convert people to Islam or force Islam on America. They only complain about the hostile US policies and wars, and its support to Israeli atrocities, many supporters belong to religious  believers who want to see Armageddon and end of the world.

I know the media and politicians tell you that it's all about religion to mute any serious discussion of the root cause of terror.

Wirius
I am not a Muslim. I am APPALLED at the people who profess to faith in God, their ignorant accusations against the Muslim population in America. There are millions of Muslims in America. Some are poor, some are wealthy. Some are devout, some aren't so devout. Some are saints, some are sinners. Muslims are people, just like you and I. The good Muslim, which is the majority, seeks to better theirs, and others lives around them. Don't let the extremists paint your view of many good people. Don't let the fact that third world dictatorships use the Muslim religions blind you to how terrible Christianity was when it was tied to the king. In short, religious people should be showing support and care for the Muslims in our community.

Irritated
I am a Muslim WHITE AMERICAN who can trace family roots back to the 13 original colonies you idiot. This is my country. Accept it.

sassypants
Sick and evil! I will never trust them. I will forever remember Nic, Daniel Pearl, and the victims of 09.11 and countless others who have died at the hands of these monsters. I am angry at whoever created this mess by allowing this cult in the door. Immigration control – Yesterday!!

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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  1. Muneef

    [15:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

    [15:1] A.L.R.* These (letters) are proofs of this scripture; a profound Quran.

    [15:2] Certainly, those who disbelieved will wish they were submitters.

    [15:3] Let them eat, enjoy, and remain blinded by wishful thinking; they will find out.

    [15:4] We never annihilated any community, except in accordance with a specific, predetermined time.

    [15:5] The end of any community can never be advanced, nor delayed.

    [15:6] They said, "O you who received this reminder, you are crazy.

    [15:7] "Why do you not bring down the angels, if you are truthful?"

    [15:8] We do not send down the angels except for specific functions. Otherwise, no one will be respited.

    God's Messenger of the Covenant*

    [15:9] Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.

    [15:10] We have sent (messengers) before you to the communities in the past.

    [15:11] Every time a messenger went to them, they ridiculed him.

    [15:12] We thus control the minds of the guilty.

    [15:13] Consequently, they cannot believe in him. This has been the system since the past generations.

    [15:14] Even if we opened for them a gate into the sky, through which they climb;

    [15:15] they will say, "Our eyes have been deceived. We have been bewitched."

    April 2, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
    • Jankman

      Go home pig!

      April 2, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
  2. Jean

    All American women who want to be subject to Sharia Law...stand up! Nobody? I thought so. Islam is a real threat to me and my daughter. If someone was building a religion that was in part based on the subjugation and castration of white men in this country, there would be ZERO tolerance for the notion. I am a veteran of the War in Afganistan. Women live like livestock there. Treasured goats rode in back seat of vehicals. Women rode in the trunk with the lid propped open. I'd rather die than live like that. And how many females get to Paradise according to the "Prophet" ? Next to none.

    April 2, 2011 at 10:54 am |
    • Denise

      You, like many others, have little knowledge on the Islam religion. It is not the religion itself that objectifies women to those laws, but the governments interpret the Quran and enforce their laws.. Back in the day, women were allowed to show off their bodies. At one point the skirt length in Iran rivaled Paris.
      The problem now is radical way the government is interpreting Islamic texts and the Quran.
      So before you write off a religion as "dangerous for you and your daughter", you might want to research the religion for yourself before you make up your mind.

      (And P.S, the bible also very harsh againt women, but churches tend to leave that part out. Did you know it's a sin to sit on a seat where a menstruating woman has previosuly sat on? Looks like we're all going to hell.)

      April 2, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
  3. Hypatia

    Another bunch of loudmouths telling others what to think. They're all the same, regardless of which tin horn they are tooting.

    April 2, 2011 at 10:28 am |
  4. lance

    these muslems need deported back to their own coubtries in the millions.

    April 2, 2011 at 10:02 am |
  5. Jankman

    The American Muslim alienate themselves by not wanting to assimilate and having no tolerance. They should all go and take their mexican freinds with them. All they do is stink up the country and divide real Americans.

    April 2, 2011 at 8:57 am |
  6. Conrad

    Just remember:
    Eventually, every knee will bow to the Creator, His Son Yeshua Ha'Mashiach and the Holy Spirit that indwells within us all.

    Truth. Deal with it.

    God bless you.

    April 2, 2011 at 1:19 am |
  7. Sherri

    If Muslims don't want to feel alienated, then they need to stop handing out fliers on the streets of NYC calling for 'actions against Americans". They need to stop trying to get sharia law in the U.S. They need to tell other Muslims that they won't tolerate honor killings, stonings of women, flying planes into buildings. Killing anyone who criticizes Islam. This is America. We have freedom of speech. Muslims do not want that. They do not want freedom and I have seen them holding signs saying so. I have also seen them holding signs saying 'behead all who criticize Islam'. No other religion is as violent as Islam. Google "takeover of America" + Muslim and read the reports that say what they plan for our country. They want an Islamic country by 2050. If you DON'T want that, you had better stand up for yourself now. Because it is coming. Ask Europe. They have 'no go' zones in Paris where non Muslims dare not go. Ask Theo VanGoch (who they killed). Ask the little 14 year old girl who they lashed to death in Pakistan. There is something in Islam that incites them to kill, burn, destroy. Burn a Koran? We'll kill 12 people. They cannot tolerate any other religion or any other way of thought. This is what must go.

    April 2, 2011 at 12:15 am |
    • Jankman

      I need to get more Koran's!

      April 2, 2011 at 8:59 am |
    • Hypatia

      The fundies will tell you it all started with Hagar. Maybe it did. *shrug*

      April 2, 2011 at 10:26 am |
  8. Pua

    All the dancing around who is godly and who is an animal can be distilled. Who is the most outspoken, sensitive, murderous, continually oppressive to women (don't give me that womens rights and 4 wives nonsense), polarizing, and threatening religion today??

    A past poster said he was a white muslim and he could trace his line back to the colonies... fine for him, what is HE doing to stop the insantiy that seems to plague Islam everywhere it goes???

    April 1, 2011 at 9:41 pm |
  9. Tare

    It is doubtful that Islam will have time to evolve from a cult to a religion before it disappears from the face of this planet. Mankind is incompatible with slavery and Islam is incompatible with freedom. The two will never meet; thus Islam is limited only to animals.

    April 1, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
    • FJ

      I honestly feel sorry for you. Your brains cannot comprehend just how wrong you really are. Islam was the first religion in the world to give women rights and to set the maximum number of wives to four. Please tell me where in the bible it gives a limit to the amount of wives you can have. Islam forbid any racism, it says in the Quran "An arab is not better than a non-arab and a non-arab is not better than an arab. A white man is not better than a black, and a black man is not better that a white. All are equal in the sight of Allah." Please tell me where in the bible it forbids racism. Islam is the champion of human rights.

      April 1, 2011 at 8:16 pm |
    • Muneef

      Islam has freed slavery and stopped the killing of females out of shame by pagans of Mecca....

      April 2, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
  10. Juil

    Just Google..Islam Religon of Peace...there you can read and see what this cult is all about. they give you news around the world what this so called religion is doing in the eyes of peace...

    April 1, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
  11. SRI

    PLEASE STOP FIGHTING IN THE NAME OF RELIGION AND SERVE FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS. SERVICE TO HUMANITY IS SERVICE TO GOD. WE ALL ARE HUMAN BEINGS AND GOD IS ONE. GOD NEVER DIFFERENTIATE WHETHER YOU ARE A HINDU, MUSLIM OR CHRISTIAN ETC. GOD IS THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE AND ALL THE LIVING BEINGS. GETTING HUMAN BIRTH IS VERY VERY LUCKY AND USE IT FOR GOOD PURPOSE.

    PLANET EARTH WILL ENTER NEW ERA, GOLDEN AGE OR SATYA YUG ON NOVEMEBER 22, 2011. EVER LASTING PEACE ON EARTH WILL RETURN AFTER NOVEMEBER 22, 2011. BUT, BEFORE THAT ALL THE EVIL MUST GO. SO, PLEASE STOP FIGHTING IN THE NAME OF RELIGION AND SERVE YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS. AVOID 3 THINGS AS A HUMAN BEING – LUSTER, GREED AND ANGER. THESE 3 ARE GATES TO HELL.

    LET PEACE BE BESTOWED UPON ALL LIVING BEINGS ON EARTH. LET ALL THE WORLDS BE HAPPY.

    April 1, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
  12. Muneef

    Al-Istighfaar (Seeking Forgiveness)  
    'O my 'ilãh You are my Lord, there is no 'ilãh but You. You created me, and I am your bondservant, and I will stick to my covenant and promise [of faith and sincere obedience] to You, as to my ability. I seek refuge in You from the evil of what I have done, I acknowledge, to You, your bounties upon me, and I acknowledge, to You, my sin. Thus forgive me, for none forgives sins except You. 
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Seekers-Of-Islam/message/88

    The Earthquakes & Natural Disasters  (part-1)   
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Seekers-Of-Islam/message/89

    The Earthquakes & Natural Disasters (part-2 )    
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Seekers-Of-Islam/message/90

    April 1, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
    • Muneef

      Signs of end of time on earth...
      By John Miller
      According to the teachings of Prophet Muhammad, may Peace Be Upon Him, there are minor and major signs in the comings of judgment day. The minor signs are as follows:

      The disappearance of knowledge and the appearance of ignorance (Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, & Ahmad)
      Books/writing will be widespread and (religious) knowledge will be low (Ahmad)
      Adultery and fornication will be prevalent (The Prophet, peace be upon him, said that this has never happened without new diseases befalling the people, which their ancestors had not known.) (Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, & Al-Haythami)
      When fornication becomes widespread among your leaders (The Prophet, peace be upon him, said that this will happen when the people stop forbidding evil) (Ibn Majah)
      Adultery and fornication will be performed in the open
      The consumption of intoxicants will be widespread (Bukhari & Muslim)
      Women will outnumber men......eventually 50:1 (Bukhari, Muslim, & Ahmad)
      Killing, killing, killing (Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, & Ahmad)
      The nations of the earth will gather against the Muslims like hungry people going to sit down to a table full of food. This will occur when the Muslims are large in number, but "like the foam of the sea".
      People will beat others with whips like the tails of oxen (Muslim) ?The Slave Trade
      The children will be filled with rage (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)
      Children will be foul (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)
      Women will conspire (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)
      Rain will be acidic or burning (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)
      Children of fornication will become widespread or prevalent (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)
      When a trust becomes a means of making a profit (at-Tirmidhi, Al-Haythami)
      Gains will be shared out only among the rich, with no benefit to the poor (at-Tirmidhi)
      Paying zakat becomes a burden and miserliness becomes widespread; charity is given reluctantly (at-Tirmidhi & Al-Haythami)
      Miserliness will be thrown into the hearts of people (Bukhari)
      Episodes of sudden death will become widespread (Ahmad)
      There will be people who will be brethren in public but enemies in secret (He was asked how that would come about and replied, "Because they will have ulterior motives in their mutual dealings and at the same time will fear one another.") (at-Tirmidhi)
      When a man obeys his wife and disobeys his mother; and treats his friend kindly while shunning his father (at-Tirmidhi)
      When voices are raised in the mosques (at-Tirmidhi)
      People will walk in the marketplace with their thighs exposed
      Great distances will be traversed in short spans of time
      The people of Iraq will recieve no food and no money due to oppression by the Romans (Europeans) (Muslim)
      People will hop between the clouds and the earth
      A tribulation will enter everyone�s home (Ahmad)
      The leader of a people will be the worst of them (at-Tirmidhi)
      Leaders of people will be oppressors (Al-Haythami)
      People will treat a man with respect out of fear for some evil he might do (at-Tirmidhi)
      Men will begin to wear silk (at-Tirmidhi)
      Female singers and musical instruments will become popular (at-Tirmidhi)
      When singers become common (Al-Haythami)
      People will dance late into the night
      When the last ones of the Ummah begin to curse the first ones (at-Tirmidhi)
      People will claim to follow the Qur'an but will reject hadith & sunnah (Abu Dawood)
      People will believe in the stars (Al-Haythami)
      People will reject al-Qadr (the Divine Decree of Destiny) (Al-Haythami)
      Time will pass rapidly (Bukhari, Muslim, & Ahmad)
      Good deeds will decrease (Bukhari)
      Smog will appear over cities because of the evil that they are doing
      People will be carrying on with their trade, but their will only be a few trustworthy persons
      Wealth will increase so much so that if a man were given 10,000, he would not be content with it (Ahmad & Bukhari)
      A man will pass by a grave and wish that he was in their place (Bukhari)
      Earthquakes will increase (Bukhari & Muslim)
      There will be attempts to make the deserts green
      The appearance of false messengers (30 dajjals) (Bukhari)
      Women will be naked in spite of being dressed, these women will be led astray & will lead others astray (Muslim)
      The conquest of Constantinople by the Muslims (Ahmad)
      The conquest of India by the Muslims, just prior to the return of Jesus, son of Mary (peace be upon both of them)(Ahmad, an-Nisa'i, at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)
      When people begin to compete with others in the construction of taller buildings (Bukhari)
      There will be a special greeting for the people of distinction (Ahmad)
      The Euphrates will disclose a treasure (The Prophet, peace be upon him, said that whoever is present should not take anything from it) (Bukhari & Muslim)
      Two large groups, adhering to the same religious teaching will fight each other with large numbers of casualties (Bukhari & Muslim)
      Wild animals will be able to talk to humans (Ahmad)
      A man will leave his home and his thigh or hip will tell him what is happening back at his home (Ahmad)
      Years of deceit in which the truthful person will not be believed and the liar will be believed (Ahmad)
      Bearing false witness will become widespread (Al-Haythami & Ahmad)
      When men lie with men and women lie with women (Al-Haythami)
      Trade will become so widespread that a woman will be forced to help her husband in business (Ahmad)
      A woman will enter the workforce out of love for this world (Ahmad)
      Arrogance will increase in the earth (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)
      Family ties will be cut (Ahmad)
      There will be many women of child-bearing age who will no longer give birth.
      There will be an abundance of food, much of which has no blessing in it.
      People will refuse when offerred food.
      Men will begin to look like women and women will begin to look like men

      The Major Signs:

      Although they appear here in no particular order, it is important to point out that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said that these last, major signs will follow each other like pearls falling off of a necklace...

      Masih ad-Dajjal (The AntiChrist)
      The Mahdi
      The appearance of Masih al-�Isa (Jesus Christ), the son of Mary (peace be upon him)
      Ya�juj and Ma�juj (Gog and Magog)
      The destruction of the Ka�bah and the recovery of its treasure
      Emergence of the Beast
      The smoke
      Three major landslides (one in the East, one in the West, and one on the Arabian peninsula)
      The wind will take the souls of the believers
      The rising of the sun from the west
      The fire will drive the people to their final gathering place
      Three blasts of the trumpet (fear & terror, death, resurrection)

      March 31, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse | Reply

      April 1, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
  13. Eternal Bliss

    The only thing to Fear is the Ignorance which festers in All of Us.... for we are One whether we know it or not..it matters not.. what is.. Is.. it is always our Choice.. as to whether we act out of Ignorance/Fear or out of Knowledge/Love ....

    April 1, 2011 at 12:26 pm |
  14. Eternal Bliss

    Those that wander they Earth divided...
    Dwell in the house of their Idols...

    Free yourselves from the shackles placed upon your Heart..
    Come to the House of Peace...
    For All is One and there are no divisions in Truth...

    April 1, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
  15. Eternal Bliss

    Mankind wanders in the land of existence...
    As an orphan unknowing of his Father...
    Ignorant and divided from the Glory That Is!

    O Mankind! Remove the veil upon your Hearts...
    And bask in the Glory That Is!
    Nevermore may the winds of desire cast Us upon the suffering shores of separation.

    -eternal

    April 1, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
  16. jean becette

    i think all religions miss the point of why they were created for and who created them...love and we as humans need it...the religions of the past 2000 years have nothing of that splendor about it...apart form on going wars and hatred mixed with economic polarities, you can't always see who is who for what they truly are...perhaps the simplicity of treating each other equally is too difficult...i don't respect much any religions and religious beliefs; i simply try to set an example by being honest, truthful to my actions and kind...i admire the beauty of the earth and the universe...

    April 1, 2011 at 8:12 am |
  17. Muneef

    We at all religions have our moderates and have our redicals ...that's why we should say that no religions should be blamed for the act of radicals....no religion should be blamed for it's differences in cultures and the understanding of the religion in each culture...
    Religion is not wrong but the Religious radicals are the ones who are dead wrong...
    http:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5dt-WREldg&feature=related

    April 1, 2011 at 7:24 am |
  18. Dennis Warren

    Muslims, yes, I am concerned about them and wish they were gone back to their native country. But, I am also fearful of the Southern Baptists. I don't see much difference between the two, both are radical and both think that they have the answers and therefore, all should bow down to their brand of intolerance and religious fanaticism.

    April 1, 2011 at 12:31 am |
    • Eternal Bliss

      We are all cousins .. And we are all Native to Life....are we not?..btw.. DNA researchers recently revealed that all living humans are decedents of 1 woman and 1 man..... so how does it come to pass that One family could be so divided...

      April 1, 2011 at 12:19 pm |
    • Mairo

      In truth, Islam is actually the most tolerant religion there is. It is a requirement in Islam to protect everyones' rights to choose and practice the religion of their choice without persecution. Unfortunately, there are those both inside and outside of the religion who do not have a firm understanding of this tenet of the religion.

      I am an American Muslim, not only born & raised in this country, but I am of English descent with relatives who came over on the Mayflower hundreds of years ago. So when you say "go back to their native country", you should think a bit more about that. What do you think even gives you the right to say that, when you yourself most likely came from some other country yourself, without a long history on this land as compared with the people who arrived before the white man?

      Diversity is a great characteristic of this country in my opinion, something that has the potential to make us stronger. While I can understand your fears, as I grew up in this country and had an intrinsic fear of Muslims & Islam initially, mostly due to all the misinformation we are assaulted with here in the US on the subject. But please try to be more open minded, and recognize that you yourself are representing intolerance with your own words.

      April 1, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    • Bill

      Mario, your nuts. Most tolerant. Tell that to the women of your religion. Look anywhere in the world where there is trouble. What is there, Islam.

      April 1, 2011 at 2:16 pm |
    • Mairo

      Bill, you are completely ignorant and don't know anything about what you are saying. For your information, I am a woman. I know all about women's rights in Islam and also know when, where and how women's rights are not withheld throughout the world. But that has nothing to do with Islam, rather it has to do with the wrong things some people can do.

      April 3, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • Mairo

      Not only that, but I have also lived many years as a woman in a Muslim country (Niger), and have seen first hand that the true Islam and Muslims are beautiful, the most beneficial way of life, supremely tolerant and peaceful, and in such contrast with what is attempted to be portrayed in the media.

      April 3, 2011 at 4:38 pm |
    • Mairo

      Did you know that in Islam the person in life who is considered to be the most worthy and deserving of love and respect is the MOTHER. Yes, it is women who are given superiority in that aspect!!! And that those who are considered to be the best believers are those who are best with their wives, treating them with kindness and respect. Look into it . . .

      April 3, 2011 at 6:07 pm |
  19. RT

    Freedom of religion does not mean any religion is free from criticism. If the Inquisition was going on in Europe today, I'd feel just as compelled to speak out against Christianity as I do today with regards to Islam.

    March 31, 2011 at 9:53 pm |
  20. QuranCompared

    Please consider the following site:

    http://www.QuranCompared.com/

    Thanks,

    March 31, 2011 at 8:35 pm |
    • Muneef

      Did thanks although would have been happier to read it if it did not speak of Jesus as being the son of God...but as just a prophet to mankind...
      Any way I do have a hard paper copy of the bible but couldn't read it due to the same reason since we have no faith of God having a begotten Son...

      March 31, 2011 at 9:10 pm |
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