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Your take: Is American Muslim alienation valid?
Mohammad Ali Elahi, the imam at the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights, Michigan.
March 28th, 2011
05:07 PM ET

Your take: Is American Muslim alienation valid?

Lots of provocative comments on our story about Muslims in one of the country's biggest and oldest Muslim enclaves feeling alienated in their own country. Many commenters are critical of American Muslims; many others sympathetic and supportive.

But the responses are all over the map and largely defy such easy categorization.

Here's a sampling:

Joe from Kalispell
The fact there is even a "Muslim Enclave" is scary. They already wanted to be separate to not be "polluted by American values." They are really pushing their First Amendment right because I am sure the Founding Fathers didn't mean to afford protection to a religion so opposed to our existence as is Islam.

JustAHuman
It is sad to see so much hate in this country and little education about other cultures and religions. In many instances we "Americans" bring destructions upon ourselves and we are blind to see why.

joe
These Muslims are safer in this country than anywhere else in the world. if they think they are unsafe here let them leave.

freeddoom
If you are really sick of them, then don't buy their oil, don't invade their countries, dont kill them, don't steal their land, don't prop up dictators to take their freedom away. I bet they have more reason to be sick of you buddy.

Maya
Islam literally means "submission" to God. Therefore, any human being that submits himself to God is considered to be following "Islam." what that means is, if you are a christian, who submits yourself to God, then you are in fact upholding Islam. You really do have to put the verse into context and understand the exact meanings. Here are a few verse for you to ponder upon:

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians – whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

Kat
Reality, funny because the terrorists never say they do in the name of Islam or to convert people to Islam or force Islam on America. They only complain about the hostile US policies and wars, and its support to Israeli atrocities, many supporters belong to religious  believers who want to see Armageddon and end of the world.

I know the media and politicians tell you that it's all about religion to mute any serious discussion of the root cause of terror.

Wirius
I am not a Muslim. I am APPALLED at the people who profess to faith in God, their ignorant accusations against the Muslim population in America. There are millions of Muslims in America. Some are poor, some are wealthy. Some are devout, some aren't so devout. Some are saints, some are sinners. Muslims are people, just like you and I. The good Muslim, which is the majority, seeks to better theirs, and others lives around them. Don't let the extremists paint your view of many good people. Don't let the fact that third world dictatorships use the Muslim religions blind you to how terrible Christianity was when it was tied to the king. In short, religious people should be showing support and care for the Muslims in our community.

Irritated
I am a Muslim WHITE AMERICAN who can trace family roots back to the 13 original colonies you idiot. This is my country. Accept it.

sassypants
Sick and evil! I will never trust them. I will forever remember Nic, Daniel Pearl, and the victims of 09.11 and countless others who have died at the hands of these monsters. I am angry at whoever created this mess by allowing this cult in the door. Immigration control – Yesterday!!

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Islam • Michigan

soundoff (822 Responses)
  1. HonLincoln

    Did you hug a Muslim today ?

    March 29, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
  2. Jonathan

    Muslims in America should stop whining and clean their own side of the street. Period.

    Part of the Muslim Brotherhood's stated plan to bring the western world under Islamic law is to gain the support of 'progressives' and 'liberals.' Through the use of political correctness and victim ideology, the Muslim Brotherhood is using western freedoms (of religion, speech, etc) as a vehicle to take away those freedoms. I've read the Brotherhood's plan, so I know.

    Freedom doesn't mean I have to hand the keys to my own jailors. Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice.

    March 29, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
    • JLS639

      And part of conservative political strategy has been to convince liberals to vote for them...
      Part of liberal political strategy has been to convince conservatives to vote for them...

      If a misogynistic, ultra-patriarchal system of law gains foothold in the United States, it will come from right wing Christianity, not from Islam and certainly not from liberalism. However, I doubt it ever will. Theocrats tend to get voted out of office, which is why Christian conservative politics has relied on "stealth" candidates and training lawyers and judges.

      March 30, 2011 at 6:55 pm |
  3. theoldadam

    'polls' (sorry)

    March 29, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
  4. noel

    muslims, assimilate and become REAL americans or go back to your sand dune...

    March 29, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
    • Shak

      I was born and raised here in the US, I am a "real" American. The most populace Islamic country is Indonesia fyi. Try to learn something instead of sounding ignorant.

      March 30, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
    • PraiseTheLard

      noel wrote: "muslims, assimilate and become REAL americans or go back to your sand dune..."

      You mean... the same way as the Christian Europeans assimilated with the Native Americans?

      March 30, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
  5. Greg

    Compare it to Anti-Catholicism. One of the early events of Protestantism is the Bartholomew's Day Massacre inspired religious tolerance in Protestant America.. They gave tolerance but little love to Roman Catholicism, the religion of the Inquisition. Going into the 20th century the Pope was still calling America the land of heretics. Many Catholic countries still persecuted people of other faith's, long after Protestant America granted tolerance. No Protestant sits on the Supreme Court and the percentage of Catholic politicians exceeds the America's religious profile. Big religion is big money and has substantial influence. Protestantism is disorganized religion with little affiliation between churches. Atheists, Pagans and Agnostics should worry about another big religion, along with Protestants. Catholics should be worried about their mirror image. Muslims have reason to worry, as well. They have to play catch up in this country in the battle for influence.

    March 29, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
  6. Jorge

    islam is PURE EVIL-it is a racist, totalitarian ideology that dictates ferociously all aspects of life of both musçims and non-muslim. there is nothing valied, humane, moral, acceptable about it. The level of cowardice, dihonesty,idiocy and curruption that afflicts naive americans regarding this PURE EVI-islam is shocking. Your ignorance about islam will doom america to absolute detruction at the jihadists hands, both moderate and radicals..they all are fighting jihad to submit you, not necessarily only with wars, terroist attackts of stealth jihad..abominable creeping sharia....wake UP america´!!

    March 29, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    • PraiseTheLard

      Jorge: interesting rant... except that one could subst-itute the word "Christianity" for the word "Islam"...

      March 29, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
  7. sagebrush shorty

    They alienate themselves.

    March 29, 2011 at 4:45 pm |
  8. Steve-O

    Regardless of their religious beliefs, is it set in stone somewhere that they don't have to bathe?...use deoderant? Just asking because every time I've gotten within 10ft. of someone wearing a towel or burka on their head, the stench takes your breath away! Clean up people! And while you're at it, learn the many creative uses of toilet paper!

    March 29, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
    • jagat

      Uh, no....that's a cultural thing sometimes, and sometimes people are just slobs. Many Muslims today are not foreign.

      March 31, 2011 at 4:30 pm |
  9. Robert Guercio

    In a very subtle and clever manner, the Bush administration started the anti Muslim hysteria that is in full bloom today. Muslim hatred was one of the many elements needed for that administration to launch the unjustified invasion of Iraq. The right wing seized upon this hatred, intensified it and keeps it going.

    It behooves the sane among us to fight this outrage.

    Bob

    March 29, 2011 at 4:37 pm |
    • PraiseTheLard

      Actually, the Bush family has had long ties with Saudi-Arabian Muslims... one of the Saudi Princes was often "visiting" with George W. – until 9/11, that is... then, with all air traffic in the country stopped, he was permitted to return home...

      March 29, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • Juliett

      So let me guess... All those videos of non-muslim hostages being murdered and proudly sent as "warnings" to the "Western infidels" was also set up by Bush. And Bush had someone dress up in Islamic costume and openly declare war on us too.
      I'll also bet you were there when we "faked the moon landing" and "filmed the infamous Alien Autopsy" too. LMFAO

      March 29, 2011 at 5:40 pm |
    • PraiseTheLard

      You need an education... Read up on Prince Bandar... As well, George H.W. Bush has had years of business relations with the Saudi royal family...

      March 30, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
  10. OnlyHandofdoom

    I am a Christian , I also live in American , I do not believe the way Muslims do ! I know that Jesus Christ is the SON of GOD ! I know that the only way to GOD IS JESUS CHIRST !

    March 29, 2011 at 4:35 pm |
    • PraiseTheLard

      OnlyHandofdoom wrote: "I know that Jesus Christ is the SON of GOD ! I know that the only way to GOD IS JESUS CHIRST !"

      And how do you know all this? On what basis do you follow your particular God? Have you studied all the other possible theories and beliefs that mankind has come up with over the past several thousand years? Do you also believe in Santa Claus?? The tooth fairy? Extraterrestrials?? Ghosts?

      Simply put, you've been brainwashed.

      March 29, 2011 at 4:45 pm |
    • jagat

      And that is A-OK. Muslims think that Jesus was a great man. And that's A-OK. And atheists believe that he was not the son of God or God. And that's A-OK. We live in the U-S of A, and that is ALL OK.

      March 31, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
  11. S1N

    I don't mind Muslims, per se. I think ANYONE who believes in a magic man in the sky that will give you eternal life after death is a moron, regardless of their preferred flavor of religious kool-aid.

    March 29, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
  12. Muhammad_1

    Born and raised in America, reverted to Al-Islam in the eighties. Served honorably in the Armed Forces, and now, in light of this orchestrated moment in history, someone like me is now unable to find work. I read most of the statements from the writers here, and feel ashamed of the lack of perception and willingness to study and read the history of the very people who have helped to develop this wonderful country, all of us call America, we call this home, also. The abysmal ignorance and virulent prejudice, is in my opinion, is reminiscent of pre-Islamic Mecca. When being ignorant was due to lack of instruction and education and schools (what we call today schooling in the most modern way), what is needed is an educational meeting to answer these questions and to have questions and answers put before an open forum.

    March 29, 2011 at 3:22 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Muhammad you should seek Jesus, without him you are going to burn in hell. He is knocking, are you listening?
      Amen..

      March 29, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
    • Truefax

      @HeavenSent

      I have a question for you
      If God was powerful enough to create the universe and all that it contains.
      And if God created the capacity to sin.
      And if God is capable of forgivness.

      Why would he have to sire a child with an underaged Jewish girl, and sacrifice it to forgive us? It would seem that God should be able to forgive without sacrifice (to himself?). And if God isn't able to forgive without spilling the blood of his son/himself then as what good is he? I understand if you've stopped reading by now but the truth is plain to anyone who would see the God of the Jews and Muslims isn't the God you worship and my friend your God a weak God and not worthy of worship.

      March 29, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
  13. Lil Jimmie

    My father was born in 1921(Alabama) to a mother and father that where of the Islamic faith, his nickname was Muslim man. This was the name his friends used when they stop by to visit at our home. As a child I hated the ideal that people never called him by name. But one thing was clear; he was never disrespected for being a Muslim or African American. He served in the US Army as do I in the Navy, matter of fact there has been and are currently at least 11 members of my family who has/are serving this country from WW1 to this madness with Libya… I do believe we are doing our part as Americans, some of y’all need to step up.

    March 29, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
  14. MadMo

    Let me see if Imam's daughter wanted to marry a non-Muslim would he be as open minded as he accepted his methodist wife to Islam? Or would he try behead his own daughter in honor killing?
    To learn more about iSlam check FaithFreedom or JihadWatch

    March 29, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
    • ahetch

      If a Muslim in America kills is daughter in an 'honor' killing, he will be prosecuted by American law.

      March 29, 2011 at 3:07 pm |
  15. Mark

    The Klan is alive and well in Tennessee, they just don't bother with hoods anymore.
    Only half a century ago they knew nothing about me personally yet I could not go to school, eat or drink out of the same drinking fountain as Whites. Now again they target groups of well meaning individuals because they happen to belong to a group that has terrorist elements.
    Since Timothy McVeigh was White, should start profiling them (Whites)?

    March 29, 2011 at 1:19 pm |
    • Still Waiting

      My brother-in-law recently visited a few southern states and brought back many tales of rampant racism still being done all over the place. I am glad I don't live in the south, but there's racism up north too.
      I am so disappointed at how long it is taking to get rid of racism in this world. And no group seems immune to having it either.

      March 29, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
  16. HeavenSent

    We will take our Christian Nation back.
    Amen...

    March 29, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • Reality

      Saving 1.5 billion lost Muslim souls:
      There never was and never will be any angels i.e. no Gabriel, no Islam

      Saving 2 billion lost Christian souls:
      There was and never will be any bodily resurrections i.e. No Easter, no Christianity

      Saving 15.5 million Orthodox followers of Judaism:
      Abraham and Moses never existed.

      Added details upon request.

      March 29, 2011 at 12:42 pm |
    • Truefax

      @reality-
      Think about this, you must put your faith as a scientist in your detectors we can measure that faith by the known precision but how can we be sure that we are detecting everything? There was a time when we couldn't detect (or even knew about) electrons, xrays, radiation etc.. Even Newton couldn't have imagined the physics of his day during his time, we are three dimentional beings living in a multidimentional universe our perspective is extreemly limited by our own physical constraints. We can only understand the quantum and higher dimentional world though mathmatics and the fact that we can use math to know our world is in itself a leap of faith.

      Don't be so arogant as to rule out the existance of God, knowing how little we actually know.

      That said some of the fairy tails are just plain stupid and I can understand fundimentally why no one in their right mind actually believes them.

      March 29, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
    • Reality

      Trufax,

      Call me agnostic but also note the following:

      o Think infinity and recycling with the Big Bang expansion followed by the shrinking reversal called the Gib Gnab and recycling back to the Big Bang repeating the process on and on forever. Human life and Earth are simply a minute part of this cha-otic, sto-cha-stic, expanding, shrinking process disappearing in five billion years with the burn out of the Sun and maybe returning in another five billion years with different life forms but still subject to the va-ga-ries of its local star.

      March 29, 2011 at 5:03 pm |
  17. Ione

    Its amazing. We are no different than the original colonists that arrived here when the country was founded. I, myself, was discriminated against at work because I am a Buddhist. (Buddhist?) We breed the animosity that lives in this country. We are afraid of what we dont know about and refuse to learn about it either. We created the very racism that you see today. We created it so now we must deal with it.

    March 29, 2011 at 11:09 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Lone you need to turn to Jesus or you will burn in hell.
      Amen..

      March 29, 2011 at 12:42 pm |
    • PraiseTheLard

      HeavenSent: I have news for you... There is no Heaven, nor is there any Hell – unless you mean having to deal with religious nuts like you...

      March 29, 2011 at 1:40 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      'HeavenSent – Lone you need to turn to Jesus or you will burn in hell. Amen..'
      ah yes, an example of the kind, loving and forgiving god.

      March 29, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
    • jagat

      That is totally crazy. Why in the hell did we ever think that we could discriminate based on religion? I'm so sorry that you had to go through that.

      March 31, 2011 at 4:23 pm |
  18. Doc Vestibule

    Before casting stones at Muslims, Christians need to look at their own history of forced conversion.
    The religion would not be so pervasive had it not been spread by the sword.
    From the Roman Emperor Theodosius, to the Portuguese in Goa, to Puritans in the U.S., to modern missionaries paying Hindus in India to convert, Christians have resorted to underhanded tactics for centuries. 800 years ago, Pope Innocent III decreed that even if torture and intimidation had been employed in receiving the sacrament of baptism, heathens "might properly be forced to hold to the faith".

    Just in case you might be wondering why some middle eastern folk think the same of Christians as some of you hate-filled Americans feel for Muslims.

    March 29, 2011 at 8:56 am |
    • Frederica

      Doc, until 20 years ago, all ideologies were forced upon people throughout the world except for Christianity. Now atheism mingled with hedonism is the worst tyrant in the West. Christians have been persecuted for 2,000 years. Christianity alone allows free conversion, no other religion or philosophy or ideology.

      March 29, 2011 at 9:04 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      So when faced with evidence spanning 1700 years of Christians violently forcing their religion on people all over the world, your response is to say that everybody else does it, but not the poor persecuted Christians?

      Tell that to the hindus in Goa, or the indiginous tribes in America.
      And what gives you the impression that other religions don't welcome converts? If you sauntered on down to the local Krishna temple, you'd be welcomed with open arms!
      Hell, you could be Jewish if you wanted to invest the time and effort in study even though they don't prosthelytize!

      March 29, 2011 at 9:49 am |
    • Al Bundy

      I wonder how Christians were persecuted when most of the time they were in charge or closely tied to the powers that be? Aside from the hundreds of years in Europe when various variants of Christianity killed and tortured and oppressed each other and everyone else. That's what you are talking about. The persecution of Christians by other Christians.

      March 29, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • Cedar Rapids

      'Christians have been persecuted for 2,000 years. Christianity alone allows free conversion, no other religion or philosophy or ideology.'
      Where the heck did you learn your history? You think christianity spread across the world peacefully and then held sway in a loving manner? wow.

      March 29, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
  19. Reality

    How to end the alienation:

    The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

    ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

    Are you ready?

    Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

    The First Five of the 77 Branches:

    "1. Belief in Allah"

    aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your cleansing neurons.

    "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

    Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

    "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

    A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

    "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

    Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

    Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

    Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

    "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

    Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.
    Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

    Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

    Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism .

    March 28, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
    • Ficheye

      You are right on. Good work.

      March 29, 2011 at 12:47 am |
    • Will

      put simply – atheism is the solution to religious conflict.

      March 29, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • Reality

      Will,

      You are correct. Being agnostic also helps.

      And to get to this stage, some observations:

      Saving 1.5 billion lost Muslims:
      There never was and never will be any angels i.e. no Gabriel, no Islam.

      Saving 2 billion lost Christians:
      There was and never will be any bodily resurrections i.e. No Easter, no Christianity.

      Saving 15.5 million Orthodox followers of Judaism:
      Abraham and Moses never existed.

      Added details upon request.

      March 29, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
    • jagat

      Boy I hope for your sake you're right and there is no afterlife. Guess we'll all find out one day, jah?

      March 31, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
  20. Frederica

    Christian Americans, please be prepared to protect everyone. We need your help and sacrifice again.

    March 28, 2011 at 10:34 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Frederica

      You Said: "Christian Americans, please be prepared to protect everyone. We need your help and sacrifice again."

      I'm sincerely curious... What is it that you think that we need 'Christians' to protect 'everyone'...from what specifically...?

      And... since I don't know your response yet, is it only something (this perceived threat) that only Christians can do...? 'Only' Christians sacrifice themselves, etc...?

      Respectfully,

      Peace...

      March 29, 2011 at 1:17 am |
    • B(iraq) Hussein Osama

      Chritian Americans are the WORLD'S BIGGEST HYPOCRITES.

      They talk of Jesus and Peace 24/7, but VOTE for International Terrorist and WAR MONGER George Bush who openly LIED in order to hasten an invasion of a foreign nation, DIRECTLY RESULTING in the death of 100,000 innocent civilians and indirectly resulting in even more. All this CLAMOURING, Christian America's favourite son did, AGAINST the wishes of International Peackeeping Organizations and the advice of almost all the major nations of the world.

      ANYBODY, who begs Christian America, for help and SACRIFICE (!!) SHOULD GET THEIR HEAD EXAMINED, by a psychiatrist at the least and their Spiritual Bankruptcy examined by a holy man at best.

      March 29, 2011 at 2:45 am |
    • BG

      I see you finished you CNN internship. How nice. Now you're qualified to write Crescent News Network op-eds.

      March 29, 2011 at 3:45 am |
    • Frederica

      Biraq, why can't you make your land civilized on your own? Look, you always costed Christians something to rescue you and educate you. Stop whining and be civilized now.

      March 29, 2011 at 5:25 am |
    • cal

      Which Muslims love us Which Muslims want to massacre us. How do we figure this out? How many Americans and others have been killed by Muslims in the last 20 years, you count the dead.. Its a difficult situation. I think until the holy war is over they should be kept out of our government positions just in case we get the wrong person for the job.

      March 29, 2011 at 1:56 pm |
    • Robert Guercio

      In a very subtle and clever manner, the Bush administration started the anti Muslim hysteria that is in full bloom today. Muslim hatred was one of the many elements needed for that administration to launch the unjustified invasion of Iraq. The right wing seized upon this hatred, intensified it and keeps it going.

      It behooves the sane among us to fight this outrage.

      Bob

      March 29, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
    • Robert

      @Roberto,

      The actions of Muslims over the last 1400 years are responsible for how Muslims are viewed by non-Muslims. "Anti-Muslim hysteria" and "Islamophobia" don't exist and were made up by Islamic "civil rights" groups to maintain victim status for Muslims.

      March 30, 2011 at 1:09 pm |
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