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Your take: Is American Muslim alienation valid?
Mohammad Ali Elahi, the imam at the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights, Michigan.
March 28th, 2011
05:07 PM ET

Your take: Is American Muslim alienation valid?

Lots of provocative comments on our story about Muslims in one of the country's biggest and oldest Muslim enclaves feeling alienated in their own country. Many commenters are critical of American Muslims; many others sympathetic and supportive.

But the responses are all over the map and largely defy such easy categorization.

Here's a sampling:

Joe from Kalispell
The fact there is even a "Muslim Enclave" is scary. They already wanted to be separate to not be "polluted by American values." They are really pushing their First Amendment right because I am sure the Founding Fathers didn't mean to afford protection to a religion so opposed to our existence as is Islam.

JustAHuman
It is sad to see so much hate in this country and little education about other cultures and religions. In many instances we "Americans" bring destructions upon ourselves and we are blind to see why.

joe
These Muslims are safer in this country than anywhere else in the world. if they think they are unsafe here let them leave.

freeddoom
If you are really sick of them, then don't buy their oil, don't invade their countries, dont kill them, don't steal their land, don't prop up dictators to take their freedom away. I bet they have more reason to be sick of you buddy.

Maya
Islam literally means "submission" to God. Therefore, any human being that submits himself to God is considered to be following "Islam." what that means is, if you are a christian, who submits yourself to God, then you are in fact upholding Islam. You really do have to put the verse into context and understand the exact meanings. Here are a few verse for you to ponder upon:

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians – whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

Kat
Reality, funny because the terrorists never say they do in the name of Islam or to convert people to Islam or force Islam on America. They only complain about the hostile US policies and wars, and its support to Israeli atrocities, many supporters belong to religious  believers who want to see Armageddon and end of the world.

I know the media and politicians tell you that it's all about religion to mute any serious discussion of the root cause of terror.

Wirius
I am not a Muslim. I am APPALLED at the people who profess to faith in God, their ignorant accusations against the Muslim population in America. There are millions of Muslims in America. Some are poor, some are wealthy. Some are devout, some aren't so devout. Some are saints, some are sinners. Muslims are people, just like you and I. The good Muslim, which is the majority, seeks to better theirs, and others lives around them. Don't let the extremists paint your view of many good people. Don't let the fact that third world dictatorships use the Muslim religions blind you to how terrible Christianity was when it was tied to the king. In short, religious people should be showing support and care for the Muslims in our community.

Irritated
I am a Muslim WHITE AMERICAN who can trace family roots back to the 13 original colonies you idiot. This is my country. Accept it.

sassypants
Sick and evil! I will never trust them. I will forever remember Nic, Daniel Pearl, and the victims of 09.11 and countless others who have died at the hands of these monsters. I am angry at whoever created this mess by allowing this cult in the door. Immigration control – Yesterday!!

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Islam • Michigan

soundoff (822 Responses)
  1. Oh Happy Day

    Ibriham D. Zeni of Indiana converted to Christianity on Sunday Mar. 27 at St. Christopher's Church. Welcome my Christian brother.

    March 29, 2011 at 6:22 pm |
    • (B)iraq Hussein Osama

      50,000 Pauls, Peters and Johns converted to Atheism on Sunday Mar. 27 all across Europe and North America! Good luck my Christian bother.

      March 29, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
  2. TheTruth

    Like it or not, you must accept it that I am a MUSLIM. We are 1.7billion strong..growing strong all over the world. Europe will change forever in a decade or two...German,France,England...will all have Majority Muslim population...Yeah 50 Million plus in the USA...AGAIN, IF AMERICANS STOPPED BUYIING OIL FROM MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES....YOU WOULD BE PAYNG $15 PER GALLON...YOUD BE POORER THEN YOU ARE.

    March 29, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
    • Reality

      The Truth (of the matter),

      How to end the alienation:

      The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

      ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

      Are you ready?

      Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

      The First Five of the 77 Branches:

      "1. Belief in Allah"

      aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your cleansing neurons.

      "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

      Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

      "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

      A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

      "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

      Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

      Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

      Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

      "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

      Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.
      Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

      Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

      Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism .

      March 29, 2011 at 6:23 pm |
    • Jorge

      Islam has the world's record of genocide. Its victims, over more than
      1,350 years, number in the hundreds of millions, many more than the
      victims of the Holocaust and World Communism combined. Muslim genocide is
      still ongoing in the Sudan, Ivory Cost. Mauritania, Somalia, the
      Philippines, Indonesia, and, to a lesser extent in other Muslim countries.

      "The massacres perpetuated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in
      history, bigger than the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the
      massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the
      slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish
      and Portuguese." – Francois Gautier

      More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the
      Spanish Inquisition combined. Islamic terrorists murder more people every
      day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.

      "A Muslim apostate once suggested to me a litmus test for Westerners who
      believe that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance: try making that
      point on a street corner in Ramallah, or Riyadh, or Islamabad, or anywhere
      in the Muslim world. He assured me you wouldn't live five minutes."

      Islam is at perpetual war with the non-Islamic world (the Qur'an 4:76,
      60:4). Muslims must hate
      the non-Muslims, humiliate them, distrust them, deceive them at every
      opportunity, and kill them when the situation is appropriate. This is the
      stipulation of the central doctrine of Islam. A Muslim who does not
      emulate this cardinal premise of Islam is not a Muslim at all.

      Killing, assassination, terrorism and bloodshed are the DNA codes of
      Islam. Even if the whole world converts to Islam, the true Muslims will
      continue perpetrating bloodshed. If they don't get the blood of infidels,
      they kill one another. This is the legacy of 1400 years of Islamic rule.
      The best example is Pakistan or Iraq where 97% of the population is
      Muslim, yet there is bloodshed of Muslims by Muslims. A Pakistani suicide
      bomber killed at least fifty Muslims (worshippers) while they were praying
      in a mosque on the occasion of Eid-ul-Azha. This is the stark proof that
      violence and killing are inseparable from Islam.

      Terrified, many non-Muslims often ask: what do the Islamist terrorists
      want? They want to convert the entire world into an Islamic Paradise.
      There is no surprise in this. During his days, Muhammad had asked the
      Muslims to terrorize the world until Islam rules supreme (Quran 3:85, 5:3,
      5:33). Qur'an exhorts the Muslims to keep fighting (with swords, not
      spiritually) until they perfect the world through Islamic purification and
      domination (Qur'an 9:5, 9:29, and 9:33). In
      reality, it means imposing on the non-Muslims (or the non-Arabs) the
      Arabic and Bedouin culture (also known as Islam) by force, murder and
      terrorism.

      We must recognize that the real enemy is not the terrorists. Rather, it is
      Islam.

      "Christians believe that "love conquers all." Well, love does not conquer
      Islam." – Bill Warner

      "Just as cancer cannot be reformed... Islam can't be reformed either and
      it must be eradicated for the world to be saved." – Ali Sina

      "The object of jihad is to bring the whole world under Islamic law...In an
      Islamic state, there is in principle no law other than the shar'ia, the
      Holy Law of Islam...The idea that any group of persons, any kind of
      activities, or any part of human life is in any sense outside the scope of
      religious law and jurisdiction is alien to Muslim thought." – Bernard
      Lewis

      "Apologizing to the Muslims for the Crusades is a complete betrayal to the
      Crusaders who sacrificed their lives to stop Muslim invasion." – Galadriel
      (anonymous evangelical Christian)

      March 29, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
    • (B)iraq Hussein Osama

      you clowns have killed more jews in a 10 year span than all the people muslims have killed in all 1,400 years of their existence! so quit blabbering and look at the mirror, idiot.

      March 29, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
  3. IAmAn"Infidel"

    Muslims, Haha!

    March 29, 2011 at 6:18 pm |
  4. OneGod

    Most of you are ignorant and you all are talking out of fear..Fear actually destroys people. There are bad seeds in every apple, every damn religion...Just because of few, do not hate 1.7 billion strong Muslims. Again its the FEAR that is destroying you.As one congresswoman put it, "She fears there will be more Muslim in her county then white folks", ignorant, arrogance, stupidity,FEAR, that is how describe her statement. FOLKS...I am also a Muslim, I lost a cousin in twin towers 4 miles from my home..IT REALLY DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU THINK, I AM MUSLIM AND YOU OUGHT TO ACCEPT IT, NO OTHER CHOICE FOR YOU. We Americans should stop buying oil from all Middle eastern countries and see if you can afford $15dollar a gallon....I DO NOT THINK SO....Timothy McVeigh was christian, he killed 168 or so...now all christians are terrorist?

    March 29, 2011 at 6:16 pm |
    • billm

      Timothy McVeigh was christian
      -
      No he was not he was an outspoken atheist...hated God to the end

      March 29, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
    • Juliett

      Ok , how many "Christians" here in America ( or any European countries for that matter) are being filmed dancing in the streets entire cities dancing and singing in celebration of the deaths of innocent muslims? Now how many muslims did you see dancing in the streets, entire cities dancing and singing in celebration of the deaths of innocent Americans on 9/11?
      NO! I will NOT be forced to accept you or your bloodthirsty, American murdering, woman abusing, pedophilia condoning so called religion either!

      March 29, 2011 at 6:53 pm |
    • (B)iraq Hussein Osama

      they are all dead now, are't they! the ones who were dancing on the streets. once your armies invaded their lands and bombed and droned them to death, they got what they deserve, no?

      March 29, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
    • Mel

      Timothy McVeigh was not Christian. Why do people keep saying that?

      April 3, 2011 at 8:32 pm |
  5. Curious George

    70% of hate crimes in the US are against jews..where is the senate hearing for that?

    March 29, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
    • iamthefredman

      Hey, us Catholics are not getting our fair share of hate crimes. That's discrimination. Where's the hearings on that? My people are getting cheated.

      March 29, 2011 at 6:22 pm |
  6. Mp

    Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 911

    March 29, 2011 at 5:53 pm |
    • PraiseTheLard

      Mp wrote: "Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 911"

      Corretion: Everything you WANTED to know about Islam you think you learned on 9/11...

      March 29, 2011 at 5:59 pm |
    • iamthefredman

      Yes. I worked a few blocks away in Feb. 1993. Stupid Americans said "Ha! You can't take down the WTC. You can't beat us. We beat you." I had said ever since that they would be back. There were no Catholics, Jews, Buddhists, Shintos, Hindus, animists, Protestants, Native Americans, Mayans, Evangelicals, Methodists, or any other religion on board those planes. Only Islam. Islam is 9/11. 9/11 is Islam.

      March 29, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
    • (B)iraq Hussein Osama

      Everything you needed to know about christianity you learnt from George Bush?

      March 29, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
  7. Josh

    These comments only prove further how uneducated Americans really are. This is not something that will change anytime soon, as Americans will continue to blame all muslims for the tragedy that was 9-11. Our opinion of muslims has definitely changed from twenty years ago but fear does that. The media and to some extent the government has tainted the way that average americans view muslims. Because we all got to see the towers go down on replay after replay it was only natural for Americans to become angry at the entire muslim population instead of the actual sect that commited the atrocity. Our lack of knowledge of anything beyond our borders has allowed us to generalize that all muslims are malicious and are a threat to us individually. While it is wrong, i dont think the individuals that posted material condeming the entire religion are to blame. When their is a lack of knowledge or understanding people turn to the opinions of others and most often that is found on their television sets. We should all take a step back and evaluate why we have come to certain conclusions on others and on other religions. This is the only way that discrimination of muslims can be reduced from its current state. Challenge why you think the way you do on any topic... It's the only way any of us can avoid prejudices and ignorance. But like they always say, "ignorance is bliss."

    March 29, 2011 at 5:51 pm |
    • fuyuko

      eh, we are required to tolerate others, but we aren't required to love or like any particular religion, christianity, judaism, islam or worshiping the great spaghetti monster. If you want me to like a religion get rid of all the hate, predjudice and cruelty and then we'll talk.

      March 29, 2011 at 5:54 pm |
    • iamthefredman

      JOSH,
      Wake up. I worked a few blocks away from WTC in Feb. 1993. Stupid Americans said "Ha! You can't take down the WTC. You can't beat us. We beat you." I had said ever since that they would be back. The images of 9/11 should be played on TV every night and in schools. this is totally ignored in my kids schools. They have no idea what happened. I have had to explain it to them and their friends. There were no Catholics, Jews, Buddhists, Shintos, Hindus, animists, Protestants, Native Americans, Mayans, Evangelicals, Methodists, or any other religion on board those planes. Only Islam. Islam is 9/11. 9/11 is Islam.

      March 29, 2011 at 6:15 pm |
  8. abby

    If they feel "alienated" maybe it is because their religion preaches death to infidels (non-Muslims), honor-killings, beheadings, beatings, forcing girls to marry men (what the rest of the civilized world calls pedophilia), and other people just can't comprehend these concepts in a modern age and thus find it "alien" to modern civilized society.

    March 29, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
    • iamthefredman

      The once-beautiful Arab Muslim women wear the burkas to hide the cruel beatings they get from their loving arranged-marriage husbands.

      March 29, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
    • (B)iraq Hussein Osama

      modern civilized society? where is that? all we see are weapons peddlers and war mongers. Look at the last 100 years of your Modern society? what is so civilized about it? world wars, extermination camps, violent ideologies coming out of your "civilization"? wake up and take your head out of the sand.

      March 29, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
  9. bet pla

    When Cubans first came to Miami in 1960 they were discriminated against and insulted – we did not complain – we worked and we thrived – there was no polical correctness – you just prove everyone wrong – and some do deserve criticism – so accept it

    March 29, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
  10. Juliett

    America constantly targets Mexicans for deportation and finds 1001 reasons NOT to let these hardworking people into our country, but yet we continue to just roll out the red carpet to any Muslim that wants to come on in and eat up our welfare dollars? Let me ask, have the Mexican people openly declared war on this county? Have they recently had country wide celebrations and dancing in the streets to celebrate the deaths of hundreds of innocent Americans at their hands? Do they come over here and cause complete uproars in every community they settle into by constantly howling about their religious rights while refusing to conform to American society in order to hold down jobs here? No, the Mexicans who come here are grateful to be here, grateful to work that crap job we don't want if it will keep them off welfare. It's these same muslim citizens that we keep importing here in droves that were dancing in the streets at the deaths of OUR innocent people. And to top it off, they are now suing OUR government ( the government that pays for their food and housing and pays for their cell phones too) because they are being "unfairly" watched? Well if they hadn't been harboring known terrorists in their communities they wouldn't have that problem. How many bomb plots were foiled because a community was being watched? If they were responsible citizens instead of religious nuts who show open disrespect for America we wouldn't be forced to watch them for our own safety now would we? You don't hear of us having to "watch" the Mexican communities. Bottom line, the muslims need to learn from their past, wake up, and realize that their "faith" is a harmful cult that hurts them and everyone around them. Every Islamic country where their "faith" is all powerful, the countries are war torn and people are dying in huge numbers. Every country they migrate to, they bring problems and because of their warped beliefs and refusal to become assets to the communities, the native population refuses to accept them ( they take this as "religious persecution" when they bring it on themselves.) And every country they migrate to begins to all of a sudden fall victim to bombings by the very muslims they took in. ( We have seen this in the U.K, Russia, Germany, Sweden, and now even Spain so it's not just the USA, and this is why many European countries are now outlawing many of the Islamic practices in order to try to get them to leave. If they don't realize the destructiveness of their practices and the effect it has on others around them, they will find themselves welcome no place. Then they will be stuck in their own Islamic area, blowing each other up just like they are in their own countries right now and have been for generations, until they completely eradicate their entire population.

    March 29, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
    • betterthenu

      9.1.1 is inside job.......
      the real criminals are still hiding in washington
      ok

      March 29, 2011 at 6:08 pm |
    • iamthefredman

      You do have part of your diatribe correct. You have said it all right here. What don't you understand about your own words? Let them do this in thier own lands to themselves.
      " If they don't realize the destructiveness of their practices and the effect it has on others around them, they will find themselves welcome no place. Then they will be stuck in their own Islamic area, blowing each other up just like they are in their own countries right now and have been for generations, until they completely eradicate their entire population."

      March 29, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
    • (B)iraq Hussein Osama

      I would nt rush to conclusions if I was you!! A day will come when America will repeat what happened with Nazi Germany. On that day, Muslims will be among the few friends you will have to help rid you of your Nazi disease. You will regret your words then.

      March 29, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
  11. Descarado

    Why would Americans be alienated from the wife-beating, honor killing, woman-stoning cult of Islam founded by a fifty-two-year-old pedophile who copulated his child-bride Aisha when she was only nine-years old? Simply because a woman's testimony in court is valued at half of a man's?

    March 29, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
    • Juliett

      Because America is not alienated, looks more to me like our government is kissing their butts and putting their "rights" above those of American citizens that were born here.

      March 29, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
    • jane

      Watch as people will try to scream down the truth! Go to thereligionofpeace.com to learn more.

      March 29, 2011 at 6:17 pm |
    • (B)iraq Hussein Osama

      >> Simply because a woman's testimony in court is valued at half of a man's?

      since there are only 13 Female CEOs in the Fortune 500,
      does that mean an American Woman's testimony is 13/500 = only 3% of a man?

      little wonder so many are converting to Islam!

      March 29, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
  12. gene

    Americans need to be protected, and muslims don't want anything to get in the way of their violent agenda towards the West.

    March 29, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
  13. nas Name*

    Let's kick out the 30% Muslims in the health field and the other 50% immigrants..who needs immigrants you ask..

    March 29, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
  14. indepedent

    "Sick and evil! I will never trust them." (Oh, I thought you were talking about Republicans.)

    March 29, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
    • Bill

      Republicans say Muslims are evil. Democrats say Christians are evil. The bottom line is Muslims and Democrats hate the US and prosperity.

      March 29, 2011 at 6:07 pm |
  15. fuyuko

    show me someone who hasn't felt alientated at one point or another. We may be required to tolerate individual, but no one is required to LOVE or like your religion. deal with it.

    March 29, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
  16. matt

    If the person is strict Muslim, there is no choice but to do so since the Koran explicitly discourages unity with non-believers. That is a fact that cannot be "PC'ed" away no matter how you put it. If you don't believe me, read the Koran.

    March 29, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
  17. cass

    Personally I don't care how people who hate everyone in the West feel. I haven't felt safe travelling in years, and I don't want to be around them. We have had muslims in Colorado thwarted in their attempt to slaughter us.

    March 29, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
  18. Dave

    So "alienation" is the new word for descrimination? Thanks, CNN, for once again helping to validate a position by elevating it to the point of discussion.

    March 29, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
  19. Robert

    of course they are being alenated! and anyone who says differant is a moron

    March 29, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • iamthefredman

      Maybe if they are alienated enough, they will go home to their country. They will never say that America is their country. I have worked with many Muslims from many different countries. I don't trust one of them.

      March 29, 2011 at 6:07 pm |
    • PraiseTheLard

      iamthefredman wrote: " I have worked with many Muslims from many different countries. I don't trust one of them."

      Funny... I've worked with religious Christian zealots in several countries... I don't trust any of them, either...

      March 29, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
  20. Blaine

    Kat: What a unique combination of superiority complex, condescension, and profound ignorance you possess.

    How do you manage to have seen enough news about Jihad incidents to consider yourself worthy of posting to a discussion on the subject, yet you don't even know that in most cases they scream Alluh Akhbar as they kill? It is only possible to argue your side out of ignorance because it that phrase is in numerous videos and audios captured in Jihad attacks, as well as court room transcripts from eye witnesses.

    Kat considers herself to intelligent to need to consult reality. For anybody else considering that perhaps Islam has no influence upon Jihadists, spend 1 minute reading this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah_Akbar#Islamist_usage

    March 29, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
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