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Your take: Is American Muslim alienation valid?
Mohammad Ali Elahi, the imam at the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights, Michigan.
March 28th, 2011
05:07 PM ET

Your take: Is American Muslim alienation valid?

Lots of provocative comments on our story about Muslims in one of the country's biggest and oldest Muslim enclaves feeling alienated in their own country. Many commenters are critical of American Muslims; many others sympathetic and supportive.

But the responses are all over the map and largely defy such easy categorization.

Here's a sampling:

Joe from Kalispell
The fact there is even a "Muslim Enclave" is scary. They already wanted to be separate to not be "polluted by American values." They are really pushing their First Amendment right because I am sure the Founding Fathers didn't mean to afford protection to a religion so opposed to our existence as is Islam.

JustAHuman
It is sad to see so much hate in this country and little education about other cultures and religions. In many instances we "Americans" bring destructions upon ourselves and we are blind to see why.

joe
These Muslims are safer in this country than anywhere else in the world. if they think they are unsafe here let them leave.

freeddoom
If you are really sick of them, then don't buy their oil, don't invade their countries, dont kill them, don't steal their land, don't prop up dictators to take their freedom away. I bet they have more reason to be sick of you buddy.

Maya
Islam literally means "submission" to God. Therefore, any human being that submits himself to God is considered to be following "Islam." what that means is, if you are a christian, who submits yourself to God, then you are in fact upholding Islam. You really do have to put the verse into context and understand the exact meanings. Here are a few verse for you to ponder upon:

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians – whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

Kat
Reality, funny because the terrorists never say they do in the name of Islam or to convert people to Islam or force Islam on America. They only complain about the hostile US policies and wars, and its support to Israeli atrocities, many supporters belong to religious  believers who want to see Armageddon and end of the world.

I know the media and politicians tell you that it's all about religion to mute any serious discussion of the root cause of terror.

Wirius
I am not a Muslim. I am APPALLED at the people who profess to faith in God, their ignorant accusations against the Muslim population in America. There are millions of Muslims in America. Some are poor, some are wealthy. Some are devout, some aren't so devout. Some are saints, some are sinners. Muslims are people, just like you and I. The good Muslim, which is the majority, seeks to better theirs, and others lives around them. Don't let the extremists paint your view of many good people. Don't let the fact that third world dictatorships use the Muslim religions blind you to how terrible Christianity was when it was tied to the king. In short, religious people should be showing support and care for the Muslims in our community.

Irritated
I am a Muslim WHITE AMERICAN who can trace family roots back to the 13 original colonies you idiot. This is my country. Accept it.

sassypants
Sick and evil! I will never trust them. I will forever remember Nic, Daniel Pearl, and the victims of 09.11 and countless others who have died at the hands of these monsters. I am angry at whoever created this mess by allowing this cult in the door. Immigration control – Yesterday!!

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Islam • Michigan

soundoff (822 Responses)
  1. CatholicGuy

    That guy who posted as "Irritated" in the sample of comments is either lying or, if he's not, his comment carries no weight. He says he's Muslim and his family roots go back to the original 13 colonies. Everyone knows the US was a Christian nation (and it's still predominately Christian). Back then, it was basically all Christian. If there was a Muslim here, he was *very* *very* rare. As the country matured, immigrants started to come from from the Middle East, Far East, etc, diluting the Christians with many other religions. The original settlers were all European Christians though.

    March 29, 2011 at 8:29 pm |
    • Muneef

      Well maybe the slaves you brought at those old times many of them were Muslims and few of them were regarded as princes at their homeland before they became slaves at some other new found lands...think it this way besides there was a movie about this fact although do not remember the name of it right now....!?!

      March 29, 2011 at 8:49 pm |
  2. sheila

    Maya: Thank you. That is the very verse that caused my conversion.

    As an American and a Muslim, I am at odds at times, but one fact underlies everything: GOD IS LOVE. What is seen in the media about us is against our very principles. No one seems to see us for who we really are.

    Historical precedence with the emergence of the Protestant faith, my former, against the Catholic Church is a constant reminder that matters of faith are never easy. Nor was leaving home countries to ensure religious freedom in the past or present.

    Read more than just mainstream media to understand the truth.

    March 29, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
    • BG

      "As an American and a Muslim, I am at odds at times..."

      Yep. No doubt you are.

      March 30, 2011 at 3:35 am |
  3. keepingHISName*

    Its clear the true purpose of Islam some you people out there have to blind not to see that Muslims are trained by scripture to CONVERT or KILL....the question is does any God fearing country want to welcome the muslim "faith"

    March 29, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
  4. Saray

    As a muslim only advice I have for fellow muslims we need to wait 10-20 more years. New enemy will emerge and we will be left alone. And for each person who advises muslims to move back to "sand-dunes" check the muslim population by countries. China, France, England and Germany are in top 10 muslim populater countries. Lots of sand there...

    March 29, 2011 at 8:25 pm |
    • BG

      and the nations of Europe have come to the realization that it's time for a broom and dustpan...

      March 30, 2011 at 12:28 am |
  5. Magdousha

    Islam is not only a religion but also a nation, the supremacist "Nation of Islam" whose ultimate goal is to rule all the world.

    March 29, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
  6. Matto

    Islam, Christianity, Judaism, whatever. I don't even care anymore. someday we'll grow up

    March 29, 2011 at 8:16 pm |
  7. Mark Yelka

    Islam holy writ is not all equal. The early peaceful verses are rendered void by later aggressive verses. Islam sees unbelievers as inferior. Islam seeks to do away with non-Islam. Belief in god is delusional. Couple delusion with aggression and you get something pretty scary: Islam.

    March 29, 2011 at 8:15 pm |
    • Muneef

      Just remember Ja-p-an

      Adh-Dhariyat sura 51:
      And warn, for warning profiteth believers. (55) I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me. (56) I seek no livelihood from them, nor do I ask that they should feed Me. (57) Lo! Allah! He it is that giveth livelihood, the Lord of unbreakable might. (58) And lo! for those who (now) do wrong there is an evil day like unto the evil day (which came for) their likes (of old); so let them not ask Me to hasten on (that day). (59) And woe unto those who disbelieve, from (that) their day which they are promised. (60).

      March 29, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
  8. Mike Stret

    All religions including Islam, Christianity and Judaism have both good and bad people.
    No interpreted religion can ever claim to be perfect so can we learn to peacefully and justly live together in this world?
    Can the good people of all religions join hands united by our humanity and not divided by violence and hate?

    March 29, 2011 at 8:15 pm |
  9. Muneef

    Now how many Indian Hindu/Christian expatriates working in Arabic Muslim countries? Why haven't we heard that they were attacked or killed for being non Muslims or for being unbelievers or infidels?

    Could it be that they are just working and not trying to convert others? Although their Indian government is still killing many Muslim Kashmir's but still no attacks against them reported in Arabic countries....!?

    March 29, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
  10. Love-thy-neighboor

    I will never forget 9-11 all the innocents people who died. All the innocents christians killed by muslims everywhere in the world. We have one True GOD who is LOVE. Muslims you need to know the real GOD and start loving people and stop all the killings.

    March 29, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
  11. Honest jo

    All i know is no one is owed anything in life, and if you want respect from people you must earn it. Also when in rome do what the romans do.

    March 29, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
  12. Mike

    The Jewish God is a god of Justice – an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
    The Chrisitan God is a god of Love – Love your enemies, turn the other cheek.
    The Muslim God is a god of Hate – Kill your enemy.
    Judaism and Christianity can form democratic, multicultural socieities. Islam is not compatible with a civilized society, hence it alienates itself. Those who profess to be tolerant muslims are really closet Christians and reading only the parts of the Koran that were borrowed from Judaism and Christianity.

    March 29, 2011 at 7:43 pm |
    • tom

      Maybe you have no understanding of history, maybe you can't read. They're all the same god. Yaweh, Jehovah, and Allah are different only due to differences in language and culture. In fact, if you had any understanding at all, you would know that all three tribes (yes I use the word tribes in reference to Christians as well due to their inability to act civilized) descend from Abraham, and therefore, claim his god as their own. People in this country (and I mean you "christians") need to read your own book and apply it to the world. If you are truly without sin, by all means, cast your stone. But remember that your religion has plenty of atrocities of its own: the forced labor of Africans who descended from Cannan, the cultural execution of both Africans and native americans, the continuous molestation of children by your priests, burning witches (catholics and protestants), and the list goes on and on. All Jesus, Moses, and Mohammed ever tried to do was show us how to better ourselves and rise above small minded hate. Unfortunately, we're just not ready for that.

      March 29, 2011 at 8:49 pm |
  13. eff youall

    And Christians have never done another harm??

    Just because a small group of extremists do something, doesn't make the whole group bad.

    All you so-called Christians are actually closer to being like the extremists who spew hatred.

    March 29, 2011 at 7:29 pm |
  14. gene

    muslims have alienated themselves by their behaviour.

    March 29, 2011 at 7:09 pm |
  15. bg in oregon

    blah blah blah …..just a different group of people with different imaginary friends.

    March 29, 2011 at 6:59 pm |
  16. bg in oregon

    blah blah blah ……just more people with imaginary friends.

    March 29, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
    • CNNZUXX

      Hmmm...what da hell does this DOLT stand fer???

      March 29, 2011 at 6:59 pm |
  17. Oh Happy Day

    The truth: Your stats are bogus. The UN Census figures show that muslim population of the world now stands at 23%. By 2050, the muslim population is projected to be 25%, only a 2% increase in forty years. The growth of Islam is projected to reach replacement levels after 2055. This means the amount of muslims being born will equal the same amount dying. By the end of the century, muslim population will actaullt have negative growth. The reason for this is that muslim women are becomming more educated. The more eduated the female population becomes, the less they reproduce ( this holds true for any demographic, not just muslims). In addition, the more Muslims integrate into American culture, the more likely they will become either more secular or open to Christianity. Finally, the life span of Muslims is the lowest of the three monotheistic faiths. This is due to rampant poverty in the Middle East, lack of education and infighting among different sects of Islam. Islam, contrary to popular belief, is a religion in decline. Unlike Christianity, which was born barbaric, Islam was born with enlightenment. But, as the centures progressed, Christianity learned from her barbaric ways and changed herself. Islam has done the opposite, for it continues its decline from greatness to barbaric leanings. Christianity continues to grow in numbers. It is true that although Christianity remains stagnant in Europe, USA and Canada, it is not dying. However, Christianity is exploding in the third world: Africa, Asia. The way of the world in the future will be Christian. It is a much more hospitable religion which preaches peace, love for enemies and freedom of choice(free will). It is more compatible with freedom. You can continue your pathetic posts about how Islam will take over and we will "have to deal with it." All the while, I will continue to counteract you with the real truth.

    March 29, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
    • (B)iraq Hussein Osama

      please keep spreading your Gospel. Ha ah ha ha ha hah haa.
      Its very helpful to us Muslims!
      EVERYBODY LISTEN TO THIS CLOWN
      HE IS TELLING THE TRUTH, WE SWEAR HE IS.

      March 29, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • Muneef

      That is because tax payers money and Christian church money is going to the third world countries to convert them to Christianity.

      March 29, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
  18. Speakfreely

    In the 40 plus years of living on this earth, I have yet to see Muslims or Arabs provide any humanitarian assistance to anyone. I have seen the hijackings, the bombings, the beheadings, all for the glory of some God. I have seen their insistance here in the states at building a mosque near ground zero. I have seem Americans who were so ignorant as to be pathetic when it comes to the cons of the horrific culture they have adopted. I know some of this is tribal culture, but some isn't. How am I to think? What am I suppose to embrace? And I'm sure they say the same about me. So what do we do? Can we co-exist? Many questions...no answers.

    March 29, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
    • (B)iraq Hussein Osama

      Muslims provide HUGE HUGE amounts of assistance to Americans and Europeans!! What planet have you been having your head buried in!

      Muslims buy MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars of Western Used and Outdated Weapon System not worth their weight in trash.
      Muslims also buy MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars of worthless Western over-priced REAL ESTATE.

      ALL THIS IS CHARITY for Bankrupt Western Economies. It sure as he ll is no value to the Muslims.

      March 29, 2011 at 7:37 pm |
    • Muneef

      Not to mention the Petro-Dollar that is keeping the currency strong and international....

      March 29, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
  19. Reality

    How to end the alienation:-------------------

    The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

    ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

    Are you ready?

    Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

    The First Five of the 77 Branches:

    "1. Belief in Allah"

    aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your cleansing neurons.

    "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

    Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

    "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

    A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

    "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

    Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

    Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

    Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

    "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

    Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.
    Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

    Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

    Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism .

    March 29, 2011 at 6:26 pm |
    • Enigma

      You say you have a 2 minute cure for Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Paganism.

      So you must be atheist?

      Since religion is a belief, and you belief there is no God(s).

      What is the 2 minute cure for Atheism? Since you know, Atheism is a BELIEF in no God and religion is a BELIEF in something.

      March 29, 2011 at 7:16 pm |
    • hmmm

      soooo, basically everyone should glom onto your 'reality' and all will be right with the world? Wow, I mean, wow for the arrogance...remember, it is not your place to judge. You hold no more proof of life and knowledge of reality than a spec of dust.

      March 29, 2011 at 7:17 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @Awww- Hmmm, you sound like a sheep.

      March 29, 2011 at 7:19 pm |
    • Frank S.

      "Since you know, Atheism is a BELIEF in no God and religion is a BELIEF in something."

      Belief in no God
      No belief in God

      Same four words just in a different order. Huge difference. The first one is not atheism, the second one is.

      There is no "two minute cure" for atheism or for faith. It's not like you can just flip a lightswitch.

      March 29, 2011 at 8:32 pm |
  20. Ronski

    Get off the 9/11 Muslim bus already – that was the biggest inside job ever!! Educate yourself in other ways than watching the news.

    March 29, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
    • Speakfreely

      Bin Ladin already took credit for it.

      March 29, 2011 at 6:28 pm |
    • Juliett

      Did you know the Alien Autopsy shown around the world was an "inside job" too?? I'm guessing Islam didn't declare war on us either, that was all set up and filmed in studio 12. LMAO

      March 29, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
    • CNNZUXX

      hey fool...9-11 was done to the United Sports by turban headed stanking arabs...just like Osama Obama or bin Laden or whatever da fuk. We do not need these stinking monkeys in the US. Get a life and GROW BALLZ...u gonna need em!!!

      March 29, 2011 at 7:05 pm |
    • CNNZUXX

      Grow some ballz u idiot!

      March 29, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
    • RostamI

      Amazing. Mahammad Ali Elahi. Elahi meaning "Heavenly" or "Holy". Is he really this humble in his own country? Assumption is, he is from a middle eastern country. I had to force myself to watch this short video all the way to the end. I implore you to do the same. Pay attention to the date and the place of the TV programs or interviews. The idea is not to spread hate or upset anyone. View this with open mind. This is for informational value only. Are you seeing what I am seeing?

      [vimeo 16779150 w=500 h=375]

      Copy and paste or simply type the above link.

      March 29, 2011 at 7:15 pm |
    • RostamI

      The mentioned link contains very graphic video and inflammatory statements. Discretion is strongly recommended.

      March 29, 2011 at 7:41 pm |
    • BG

      The video was sponsored by MEMRI.

      Love them. They review, monitor, translate and post ME media.

      http://www.memri.org/

      March 29, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
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