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My Take: It doesn't matter who wrote the Bible
April 1st, 2011
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My Take: It doesn't matter who wrote the Bible

Editor’s note: David Hazony is the author of "The Ten Commandments: How Our Most Ancient Moral Text Can Renew Modern Life," published recently by Scribner.

By David Hazony, Special to CNN

I am a person of faith. But sometimes I like to step outside of faith and just think about things rationally. Usually this oscillation between faith and skepticism serves me well, with faith giving reason its moral bearings, and reason keeping faith, well, reasonable.

It’s a nice balancing act — except when the question of who wrote the Bible comes up. My Jewish faith tells me that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible, known as the Torah or the Pentateuch. Reason tells me to be open to the idea that somebody else had a hand in it.

And there are definitely a few glitches in the text that back up those suspicions - notably the last eight verses of Deuteronomy, which describe Moses’ own death.

But try as I might, I just can’t believe that the Five Books of Moses were written by J, E, P and D – the four main authors whose oral traditions, biblical scholars say, were cobbled together to make the Torah. (The letters stand for the Jahwist, the Elohist, the Priestly source and the Deuteronomist. Those, we may assume, were not their real names.)

Call me an academic infidel.

I know, it’s been generations now that Bible study scholars at universities around the world have accepted as true that:

(a) the Pentateuch was composed over many centuries through these four oral traditions, which were later written down;

(b) these main texts were woven together by an editor or series of editors living around the 6th century B.C.E.; and

(c) these different traditions are detectable by scholars today, to the point where you can justify entire conferences and an arena’s worth of endowed chairs to figure out not only the source document of every scrap of biblical text, but also the gender, political inclinations, subversive intentions, height, weight and personal traumas encumbering every one of its authors.

The first two are plausible, I suppose. But the third has always struck me as pure fantasy, the point where idle speculation gives way to heavily funded hubris. Of course, if I’m right about the third, the first two lose their authority as well.

Why don’t I buy it?

It’s not just because of how stark, uninspiring and vaguely European those four letters look in a byline. Nor is it the fact that in more than a century’s worth of digging up the Middle East by archaeologists, not a single trace of any of these postulated “source texts” has ever turned up. And it’s certainly not because the scholars’ approach contradicts my faith — after all, it was the willful suspension of faith that led me to consider it in the first place.

No, faith and skepticism dwell together in my confused bosom like pudding and pie.

Rather, my rebellion against these scholars comes from experience. Specifically, my experience as an editor.

It all started a few years back when, as the senior editor of a Jerusalem-based journal of public thought, I ran into trouble on a 10,000-word, brilliantly researched essay about Israeli social policy composed by the sweetest man on earth who, unfortunately wasn’t a stellar writer.

I spent a few weeks rewriting, moving things around, adding and cutting and sweating. Finally I passed it up the chain to Dan, my editor-in-chief.

"Hey Dan," I said. "Could you take a look at this? I added a whole paragraph in the conclusion. Tell me what you think."

A few days later I got it back, marked up in red ballpoint. On the last page, in the conclusion, he had written the words “This is the paragraph you added,” and drawn a huge red arrow.

But the arrow, alas, was pointing at the wrong paragraph.

You see, it turns out that it’s not very easy to reverse-engineer an editing job. To take an edited text and figure out, in retrospect, what changes it went through — it’s about a million times harder than those tenured, tortured Bible scholars will tell you.

Language is fluid and flexible, the product of the vagaries of the human soul. When an editor has free rein, he can make anything sound like he’d written it himself, or like the author’s own voice, or something else entirely. It all depends on his aims, his training, his talent and the quality of his coffee that morning. A good editor is a ventriloquist of the written word.

That’s when I started to suspect that what Bible scholars claim they’re doing — telling you what the “original” Bible looked like — might be, in fact, impossible to do.

Think about it. My case was one in which the author, editor and reader are all known entities (in fact, they all know each other personally); the reading takes place in the exact same cultural and social context as the writing and editing; and the reader is himself a really smart guy, Ivy-league Ph.D. and all, who had spent a decade training the editor to be a certain kind of editor, with specific tools unique to the specific publication’s aims.

Not only that, but he was even told what kind of edit to look for, in which section. And still he couldn’t identify the change.

Now compare that with what Bible scholars do when they talk about J, E, P, and D. Not only do the readers not know the writers and editors personally, or even their identities or when or where they lived. The readers live thousands of years later and know nothing about the editors’ goals, whims, tastes, passions or fears — they don’t even know for sure that the whole thing really went through an editorial process at all.

(If anything, the same textual redundancies, narrative glitches, awkward word choices and so forth that the scholars claim are the telltale signs of an editing process are, in my experience, very often the opposite: the surest indicator that an author needs an editor, desperately. If the text was edited, it was done very poorly.)

As with any field of research that tries to reconstruct the distant past, biblical scholars get things wrong on a daily basis.

And that's OK: Getting things wrong is part of the nature of reconstruction. Whether you’re talking about the origins of galaxies, dinosaurs, ancient civilizations, medieval history or World War II, the conclusions of all historical research come with a big disclaimer: This is the best we’ve got so far. Stay tuned; we may revise our beliefs in a couple of years.

With biblical scholars, however, you often feel like they’re flying just a little blinder than everyone else. At what point does a scholar’s “best guess” become so foggy as to be meaningless?

The Five Books of Moses take place somewhere in the second millennium B.C.E., centuries before our earliest archeological corroborations for the biblical tales appearing in the Book of Joshua and onward. We have no other Hebrew writings of the time to compare it with. So all that scholars really have to go on is the text itself — a wild ride on a rickety, ancient, circular-reasoning roller-coaster with little external data to anchor our knowledge of anything.

This would be fine, of course, if there weren’t so much riding on it.

With other fields, we usually don’t have our own dinosaur in the fight. But with the Bible, it’s not just the scholars duking it out with the clergy. There’s all the rest of us trying to figure out what to do with this stupendously important book — either because it anchors our faith, or because it contains enduring wisdom and the foundations of our cultural identity.

Where does that leave us? Some people, sensing their most cherished beliefs are under siege, will retreat to the pillars of faith — whether that faith is religious or academic. Either it was Moses, or it was J, E, P, and D. End of discussion.

As for the rest of us, it may raise questions about whether we really ought to care that much about authorship at all, or instead just go with Mark Twain’s approach. “If the Ten Commandments were not written by Moses,” he once quipped, “then they were written by another fellow of the same name.”

Using our reason means sometimes admitting there are things we just don’t know, and maybe never will.

Maybe that’s all right. After all, isn’t it enough to know that the book is really important, that it has inspired love and hate and introspection and war for thousands of years, that it is full of interesting stories and wisdom, poetry and song, contradiction and fancy and an unparalleled belief in the importance of human endeavor - in the possibility of a better world - despite the enduring and tragic weaknesses that every biblical hero carries on his or her back? That it is an indelible part of who we are?

Isn’t that enough to make you just read the thing and hope for the best, forever grateful to Moses, or that other fellow by the same name?

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of David Hazony.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Bible • History • Judaism • Torah

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  1. Lindsey

    The author says that it is enough for him that maybe it is and maybe it isn't. Doubt is OK for him. Jesus Christ is the answer to the doubt of the Old Testament. Read the prophecies of the Old Testament and compare them to what happened when Christ walked the earth. David; trying to measure up to God's standards is indeed a noble objective but we simply can't do it. I applaud your article and, yes, we would all be better as would society if we simply heeded the ten commandments. It is a shame that our country has strayed from these principles. If we don't right our ship soon, we will fall just like Israel did 2500 years ago.
    However, ONLY Jesus Christ can assure YOU of eternal life. Please, David, read the gospel according to Matthew and pray about it. You'll be amazed and you'll be SO happy that you did!!!!!!!!!

    May 29, 2011 at 10:46 pm |
  2. truby parker

    it not have to do the last student new

    May 25, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
  3. UFOSHIZLE

    Of course it does not matter, If rational thinking mattered, then all religion would be in the toilet where it belongs.
    I have some magic beans I'd like to sell all you religious idiots as well.

    May 19, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
  4. Simeon Johnson

    When a person is not conversant with the vernacular of the Pop Culture, and therefore, uses words like chill out to encourage relaxation: You only have to study the etymology of word; to ask this question. Are these words a preacher should use to promote his movie debut with the statement that “Christian should just sit back and chill out, and not be so up-tight?”

    ─Join Simeon on Twitter @Thegoodlifeis

    May 13, 2011 at 6:13 pm |
  5. nina

    better to take the bits that are true – and any truth tends to appear in many traditions and so being self-evident, doesn't need to be assigned divinity – and leave off the rest of the book which is inconsistent, historicially as sound as the movie Forest Gump and has a lot of bad justifications for actual atrocities like genocide, slavery, and being anti whoever isn't in power.

    religions come down to blind worship of authority, and if WWII taught us anything, it's that we have a legal obligation to obey the law and a moral obligation to question it.

    nina
    http://ntrygg.wordpress.com

    May 12, 2011 at 6:56 pm |
  6. john leddy

    the bible is so clearly a human invention that those people who believe otherwise should read it again with a critical eye and they will see that it is a collection of books full of myths, contradictions and as mark twain said "upwards of a thousand lies".

    May 10, 2011 at 9:31 pm |
  7. Hugh Michaels

    My comments briefly. God wrote the bible he is beyond all human traits and cannot be compared to a human's limitation including writing style. The Torah was communicated in two versions a written version and an oral version. The written version is terse and verbose and requires explanation. The oral version is that explanation it has to be communicated orally and therefore needs a people to communicate it (the jews who received it in the first place) and to explain it in the language of the times. Moses may have been the first scribe but he is certainly not the author.

    May 9, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
    • RAWoD

      Wow you really bought into the talking points didn't you.
      Now: go study both the First Great Awakening and the Second Great Awakening re: your "belief".
      Thanks

      May 22, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
    • Lindsey

      Hugh: Why does Exodus 24:4 say "Moses then wrote down everything the Lord had said." if Moses didn't write Exodus? Numbers 33:2 states, "At the Lord's command Moses recorded the stages in their journey. This is their journey by stages." (the text lists the events of the Exodus) If Moses didn't write it then who did? Maybe somebody re-wrote some of it but references by Jesus Christ to the Old Testament confirm my belief that Moses was the writer who was inspired by God to write it!

      May 29, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
    • richard

      There is no way to prove, or disprove if God wrote the Bible, or any other religious book. My personal opinion on all religious books is that they were written to control people, generate money and keep fear in their subjects minds. Fear of God. Fear of hell. Fear of the end of the world. Fear of death, a natural part of life. That is why I am a Deist. God gave man reason. Man gave man religion, all religion. Thomas Paine's book, THE AGE OF REASON states a very good case against the Bible being written by anyone except man.

      May 31, 2011 at 12:32 pm |
  8. AngryJew

    http://www.askanangryjew.com/html/does_god_exist.html

    May 9, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
  9. Artist

    WarhammerTwo

    QS stated, "Then you are not Christian, you are agnostic. It's ok to actually set aside your indoctrination and accept that you may have your belief in a supreme being of some sort, but that it's not the "god" of the bible. If it were, then you must believe and accept the bible as truth...as you admit that you don't, you are not of that religion."

    Actually, QS, I have a whole United Church of Christ congregation that would disagree with you. Folks in my church have all sorts of differetn opinions and theories about God and the Bible, theology and spirituality. Our Sunday morning adult education classes are all about interpreting Scripture and it's off the wall stuff. And that's why I love our church. We actually just studied CS Lewis' "The Great Divorce" which opened up an amazing debate on the concepts of Heaven and Hell. And what's great about the church is that no one will tell you they are right and no one will tell you that you are wrong. We're all driven by Christ's call to feed the hungry, house the homeless and bring good news to the poor. We make it a focal point of our lives to volunteer at the local food bank, volunteer with Habitat for Humanity and every year we get $5000 together to buy an Ark from Heifer International (look it up, it's an AWESOME charity). We do the annual Point in Time Homeless survey taking food and hygiene kits to those living on the streets. Our jail chaplaincy reaches out to council inmates and we provide toys for the inmates to give to their children at Christmas time. The kids shouldn't suffer just cuz mom or dad is in the clink. We provide food and help serve Thanksgiving dinner at our local soup kitchen. We are Open and Affirming and fully support Gay Marriage. It doesn't matter to us about who's theology and interpretation of Scripture is right. It doesn't matter what we envision God to be. All that matters is that we believe in Jesus' commandment to "love your neighbor as yourself." If you believe in that message, to us, you're Christian. EVERYTHING ELSE IS IRRELEVANT. Any conflict or contradiction in the Bible? That one one rule trumps it. It's that simple. One rule. That's all there is. You measure everything in your life, every decision you make, up against that rule, and you'll be leading a Christ-like life. To us, that makes you Christian. And if you don't agree with that? Well, frankly, we don't care. That's your OPINION and you are welcome to it. We'll love you regardless of where you stand and help you if you should ever need it. No questions asked. No judgments passed. We just do. To us, that's Christian.

    Later gator.

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    Hey Gator I think I like and respect what you said.

    May 6, 2011 at 7:07 pm |
  10. Joe

    You people are wacko!

    May 6, 2011 at 7:07 pm |
  11. Joe

    Bible author doesn't matter? I guess I could write a bible and sell it and sheeple would follow me.

    May 6, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
    • FNORDY

      See Joseph Smith. . .

      May 9, 2011 at 11:33 am |
  12. Muneef

    Truly found to be fine articles source to read whether in belief or in no belief... many questions that were put to me and for which I had not been able to express as rightfully in my own words now can be found here at it's best of form;
    ----
    Description: The Core of the Islamic Creed: the belief in God and His worship, and the means through which one can find God.
    Published on 16 Jan 2006 – Last modified on 29 Mar 2011

    Introduction At the heart of Islam lies belief in God. The core of the Islamic creed is bearing witness to the phrase, La illaha illa Allah, “There is no true deity deserving worship but God.”  The testimony to this belief, called tawhid, is the axis around which all Islam revolves.  Moreover, it is the first of the two testimonies by which a person becomes a Muslim.  Striving after the realization of that oneness, or tawhid, is the core of Islamic life. For many non-Muslims, the term Allah, the Arabic name of God, refers to some distant and strange deity worshipped by the Arabs.  Some even think it to be some pagan “moon-god”.  However, in Arabic, the word Allah means the One True God. Even, Arabic speaking Jews and Christians refer to the Supreme Being as Allah.
    http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/39/viewall/

    April 30, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
    • Muneef

      Description: Why God revealed His message in the form of scriptures, and a brief description of the  two of the Scriptures of God: the Bible, and the Quran.
      Published on 16 Jan 2006 – Last modified on 04 Oct 2009
      http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/36/

      April 30, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
    • Muneef

      All articles;
      http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/

      April 30, 2011 at 6:05 pm |
  13. Moon Reef.

    Thanks for the new name.

    April 30, 2011 at 10:41 am |
  14. Muneef

    An-Najm sura 53:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    They are but names which ye have named, ye and your fathers, for which Allah hath revealed no warrant. They follow but a guess and that which (they) themselves desire. And now the guidance from their Lord hath come unto them. (23) Or shall man have what he coveteth? (24) But unto Allah belongeth the after (life), and the former. (25).

    Al-Hajj sura 22:
    Unto each nation have We given sacred rites which they are to perform; so let them not dispute with thee of the matter, but summon thou unto thy Lord. Lo! thou indeed followest right guidance. (67) And if they wrangle with thee, say: Allah is best aware of what ye do. (68) Allah will judge between you on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein ye used to differ. (69) Hast thou not known that Allah knoweth all that is in the heaven and the earth? Lo! it is in a record. Lo! that is easy for Allah. (70) And they worship instead of Allah that for which He hath sent down no warrant, and that whereof they have no knowledge. For evil-doers there is no helper. (71) And when Our revelations are recited unto them, thou knowest the denial in the faces of those who disbelieve; they all but attack those who recite Our revelations unto them. Say: Shall I proclaim unto you worse than that? The Fire! Allah hath promised it for those who disbelieve. A hapless journey's end! (72) .

    Al-Hajj sura 22:
    O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it: Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from it. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought! (73) They measure not Allah His rightful measure. Lo! Allah is Strong, Almighty. (74) Allah chooseth from the angels messengers, and (also) from mankind. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Seer. (75) He knoweth all that is before them and all that is behind them, and unto Allah all things are returned. (76) O ye who believe! Bow down and prostrate yourselves, and worship your Lord, and do good, that haply ye may prosper. (77) And strive for Allah with the endeavour which is His right. He hath chosen you and hath not laid upon you in religion any hardship; the faith of your father Abraham (is yours). He hath named you Muslims of old time and in this (Scripture), that the messenger may be a witness against you, and that ye may be witnesses against mankind. So establish worship, pay the poor-due, and hold fast to Allah. He is your Protecting friend. A blessed Patron and a blessed Helper! (78).

    Ghafir sura 40:
    Those who wrangle concerning the revelations of Allah without any warrant that hath come unto them, it is greatly hateful in the sight of Allah and in the sight of those who believe. Thus doth Allah print on every arrogant, disdainful heart. (35).

    Ghafir sura 40:
    Lo! those who wrangle concerning the revelations of Allah without a warrant having come unto them, there is naught else in their breasts save pride which they will never attain. So take thou refuge in Allah. Lo! He, only He, is the Hearer, the Seer. (56) Assuredly the creation of the heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of mankind; but most of mankind know not. (57) And the blind man and the seer are not equal, neither are those who believe and do good works (equal with) the evil-doer. Little do ye reflect! (58).

    An-Nahl 16:
    And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, – and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth – they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not. (101) Say: The holy Spirit hath revealed it from thy Lord with truth, that it may confirm (the faith of) those who believe, and as guidance and good tidings for those who have surrendered (to Allah). (102) And We know well that they say: Only a man teacheth him. The speech of him at whom they falsely hint is outlandish, and this is clear Arabic speech. (103)

    April 28, 2011 at 8:45 pm |
  15. Muneef

    "Behold! Allah Promised you one of the two (enemy) parties, that it should be yours: Ye wished that the one unarmed should be yours, but Allah Willed to justify the Truth according to His Words and to cut off the roots of the Unbelievers; ”
    —Qur'an: Al-Anfal 8:7

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Badr#Background

    http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/SM_tsn/ch4s5.html

    April 28, 2011 at 6:11 am |
  16. Muneef

    Enjoyed watching the Christian festival of race passing the Fire Torch from one to another.
    The same is used in the openings of the Olympic games where finnaly they are to light over the bigger fire torch.this was a practice followed from the times of the Greeks. 
    What do we learn out of this practice ? Isn't is just as A message of true light that is to be raced passing it from one generation to the second generation in order a day will come for the truth to prevail in a bigger light of wisdom and peace.!? We are all searching for the light of truth the whole truth nothing but the truth ! We are not seeking to brain wash selves to believe what we want to believe deillusioning or selves with what we chose to want to believe.!?
    We been given in the Whole heavenly scriptures including Quran stories that when are read or recited they are supposed to inspire us from it's wisdom of the old, reading those stories is like feeding our senses for knowing which becomes to be known as man's common senses.
    The message that has been passed and exchanged among generations was that (God is One & Only No Mate, No Son ,No Partner and that Iblis (Satan) is the Etenal enemy of Mankind and that he has taken an ought to make stray mankind ending them into the eternal Hell fires !? 

    The Paths of Mankind :
    -The Righteous.
    -The Strayed.  
    -The Condemned.
      
    The Rules been Given and laid out as to what the punishments or the rewards would be for each of our deeds,but then after all only the Mercy of God that would admit us into heavens and paradise and not only our efforts, after all, all that counts is what is in our hearts and our intentions,belief or disbelief !?

    Some are lazy or as hard as Rocks or Locks and just want to bury their heads into the sand or plugging their ears and covering their eyes as from the Thunders and the Lightenings of the The Truth that One day has to prevail,whether we have wanted or tried to put the light of truth off or block it from sight or bury it alive !!!

    The truth will come back to prevail with matter how ever may God wanted it to be ! By the Pen or by the Sword or by what ever God has willed it to be...it is only then upon confrontation where and when faith is tested and judged,then it is for God to decide whom to give victory over the other  the unjust ones. Our Holy Book told us that over Seven Thousands Angels on top of horses were landed as an Army to join the battle fight against the transgressors, in taking side of Muslim believers who were far less in numbers and less equipped if compared to the other-side who were far more in numbers, in equipments and in supplies .! 

    It was that battle fight who decided the existance of Islam against the will of the polytheists and the Pagans of Mecca.
    Those nights of the battle fight was named as "The Battle of Bader".
    Therefore we can say winning the War is Not by The Large Well Trained Number of Armies or Number of Equipments or Higher the Technologies an Army had but it is rather more about how much faith you have in course and cause ! ?

    It is more like who God will take side with?  (Faith and Will) have to go togather to bring back the Good wellbeing for Mankind such as Justice,Love and Mercy as such will only bring around Peace and prosperty !? 

    As Good brings back around Good, then Evil only brings back around Evil, (what ever Seed  we Plant We will harvest it's fruits ) so if the seed we plant is of Good seed,we will hearvest Fruits of Goodness but if of Evil seeds that has been planted then will only harvest Fruits of Evil  !?  The Holy Book told us that a word of kindness is like a Tree of a Good Seed that we plant and that we will hearvest ...while a bad hurting word is like a Tree of a bad seed.

    Atheists.agnostics.disbelievers,pagans what ever or whom ever you are suggest to leave faith,belief or religious disputes behind and just read the Bibles and the Quran as referance for history and for wisdoms that through reading helps us to think for our selves and decide for our selves with out being told what to believe or not to believe. Have we asked our selves how mankind learnt and reached what ever level he is in now today? If it wasn't for the knowledge that was gathered and passed on from Adam's times then generation after generation to revive,remind,warn the stray against the wish and will of those condemned ones who rejected,killed and exiled the Messengers and Prophets of God, then towards each crime they have made they packed it in a different shiny papers just as of the sweet candies to explain why or for what they did it for  !? 

    Peace2all/my regards !

    April 27, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
  17. Gary

    The author speaks of "thinking rationally", yet you cannot persuade someone with a rational belief that has an irrational argument.

    500 years ago, people were certain that the world was flat. Naysayers were excommunicated. Does the majority rule dictate the truth?

    The irrational belief in God is demonstrated by the slow but growing number of athiests in the developing world. We're coming out of the wood work and putting down this silly pre-scientific belief!

    April 27, 2011 at 9:18 am |
    • Muneef

      Gary.

      Strange because in the Quran it never told us land being flat?...but rather told us that mountains were made to hold earth from becoming rolled in as a scroll...! Guess if land was supposed to be flat there will be no mountains to hold it down from scrolling in !?! you do not condemn the whole lot for a mistake that might have been made by the writers the translators,explaintors? a manmade mistake in one of the whole serial of books and bibles make you judge the whole thing to be myths and false..

      April 27, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
  18. Muneef

    Why has the truth be killed?;

    You people have not explained to me why would God need to have a Son when we all creatures are of his own and from his own Spirit ?

    Why would God have a Son of his created among us when all the time we been sent human messengers ?

    Why when among us comes a man asking us to the light of truth,proving him self to be different from date of birth, and when he showed us love,cured our sick,even brought back to life our dead ones,who was able to tell us what we stored and what is  in stored for us.why do we condemn him to death as a transgressor ?

    Why did we take the privilege of sacrificing him as an offering or were we repeating the crime of the Sons of Adam when Cain killed his brother in jealousy about some sacrifice offerings that were made and was accepted by God for Cain's brother but not to Cain him self ? Then he learnt after killing his brother how to hide the crime unfounded out by burying of the corpus as the Crow bird had showed him !

    Strange isn't it that Satan has always mislead our fathers and us in jealousy ?
    First as disguised as a Serpent as told by elder bibles, he mislead our fathers into eating the forbidden fruit and succeeded into getting them out of heavens into earth and he with them ?

    Always where there was evil there was Satan behind it. He talked the Son of Adam Cain into killing his brother and into hiding his Crime !  

    Then Satan inspires and reveals to man evil verses that are not of God's words into the aim of putting the Light of God's Truth out of light !

    When here comes to us a Righteous Prophet full of Miracles, but instead of appreciating same and thanking God for, we rather drove him into crucifixion?

    The Sabbath people of the children of Israel who betrayed,ploted,conspired against him were of a closed religious society that is not accepting converts. The believers and followers of the Prophet were begining to claim his blood, when here Satan came again to teach them as to how to hide their crime, so they gave excuses and verses that made the crucifixion as legal ??? 

    Any way the establishment of a second religion was necessary and as well  keeping it astray off track was  necessary as well as that it was intended to relieve them from the burden of opening up their Religion faith for new converts to join up in theirs ???

    The Crime myth of being crucified beside other things became a religion formula to cool the mass of angry prophet followers and to drive the masses to convert into it.

    Then the Romans learned the trick and became to make use of this further to control and drive their complex masses of many faiths into one integrated mass where they turned the Sun God Day into Son God Day ! Meaning gathered pagans,idolaters and joined them with the right mass into one big mass of a faith that contain all in one....

     Until the day when the One Cell had broken into small divisions,where each thinks he is the righteous more than any other, so here it is it went multiplying to unend to becoming to suit each culture and race ???

    Finally God has chosen a messenger from the race of the children of Ismael to bring back his words of light to the children of Israel by a member of the family tree, and that was because when ever God chosen a prophet from among them children of Israel they had always disbelieved and killed their Prophets and messengers one after another even the Prophet Moses was not spared the agony and the failures that they drove him into due their disbelief in him and in what he has brought up to them to follow ?

    Now the same story is being repeated against the Seal of Prophets of God and the Words of the Message of God which was this Prophet only miracle that God has sent him with if compared with the line of Prophets and messengers that came before him.. ! The Light and the Power of Words were totally Rejected by the children of Israel because it came to them by the children of Ismael since they had rejected Ismael before that considering him a slave a son of a slave woman "Hager" !! 

    Turned to be in the size of the jealousy that Satan had for Adam or the jealousy that the son of Adam Cain had towards his brother for which he killed him or like how jealous those of the Sabbath were from Jesus by rejecting what he has came up with to ease their hardness that they had applied on them selves of which God had not told of.

    Jesus was attacked as the Seal Prophet was attacked by the pagan and the jews of Mecca for bringing that does not agree with the culture and customs they wanted to live with such as freeing slaves, forbidding the drinking of spirits and all that was mentioned and known about the people Mucca doing before any signs of Islam !    

    History is being repeated,mankind does not want to learn from stories of nations of old in order not fall again and again with out hold his steps for moments to think for his self as 'why' when ever some one brings by the truth has to be killed ???
    Peace to all,

    April 26, 2011 at 8:40 pm |
    • rachel

      cuckoo.cuckoo.

      May 17, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
    • ChristianC

      Sounds like you are using a language program to translate from Arabic to English without realizing how poor the resulting translation can be.. The result is grammatical gibberish.

      May 17, 2011 at 10:09 pm |
    • Beyond Human Ego

      History always will repeat if we don't learn from it to avoid repeating it. As most have easily done, we stand outside another's faith and culture and make observations assuming our own faith and culture are the ultimate answer to these issues, because we know we are the "special" ones. When will we all learn to turn and look at our own cherished misunderstandings and cast the same critical logic that God provides us to know Him/It/She better, on our own beliefs?

      Its easy to critique the history and faults of others, but are we wise enough to do the same of our own? Will we grow, or continue to wallow in the sin of lazy self righteousness that slowly eats away at this world in the service of Satan, Iblis or whatever term you might use for the chaos that results and spreads?

      Ignorance is the root of all evil, not someone's inability to adhere to our man made customs and idols no matter what form they come in (stone, buildings, rituals, books etc.) God is one and a rose by any other name is still a rose. We aren't capable of fully conceiving IT. We use stories, metaphors, allegories, rituals, myths, books and other idols etc. to help us understand, but we need to understand that IT is much more than the sum of all those things and use these reminders in humility and compassion; not condemnation or false pride.

      There are many that may not understand this, but they will only continue to be bewildered by others, and life in general, until they do. Then if they do understand this, the old clubs will punish them for understanding what they don't want to....and on and on it goes.

      May 27, 2011 at 12:45 am |
  19. Ihaveabridgetosellyou

    @crucified
    You believe in talking snakes and burning bushes and I have to grow up? Yeah right..

    April 26, 2011 at 6:08 pm |
    • Dave lambert

      Some people take the bible readings too serious.Its a book of metaphors and visions? This book was created to aid mankind for persuit of harmony and peace of mind.A large part of mankind has fount other ways to achieve this mind set. The origins of the bible as most know are from the middle eastern nations written by so called scribes, one was supposetly Moses. With little or no education as seen still today in that region. Many translations have been done over the 3000 year copyright to make it more understanding and the interpretations and meanings were altered. God or Jehovah was created as a idea to also achieve the mind set of peace and harmony for mankind but seems to be failing.

      May 8, 2011 at 3:08 pm |
  20. Ihaveabridgetosellyou

    I am the son of God. I am known as the as the Alpha and the Omega, Lamb of God, etc. I was born December 25th. Crucified and was resurrected three days later. can you guess who I am? Thats right, I'm Horus, son of Osirus. I pre-date Christianity by 1500 years and have returned to set the record straight. Seems some sheep herders stole all my stories and I want to make it very clear that I have nothing to do with this nonsense.
    Sincerely Yours,
    the ancient egyptions
    aka. pagans

    April 26, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
    • Todd

      It's a shame that the first comment has to be from a cynical person...

      May 4, 2011 at 12:07 pm |
    • AH

      Osiris was a green-skinned god who was brought back to life by his wife so that she could be impregnated by him. Shortly after impregnating her, he died again. This seems rather incongruent with who Christ was, what he represented, and his life's mission. If you really wish to dissuade Christian believers it would be more intellectually honest for you to deal with these issues in a straight-forward manner.

      May 4, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
    • Lise Quinn

      Many of the stories of the bible were taken from earlier pagan stories – whether Christians, etc like it or not. No one is being cynical – the comment supports that indeed the bible was not written by some supernatural being and channeled through 'prophets and priests'. When it comes to the bible – many Christians throw all logic out the door and demand that it is the 'word of god'. These same people are OK with 1+1 equaling 2, but not with an insurmountable pile of evidence throughout history that most of the bible is stolen stories, nothing unique or new in it.

      May 9, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • BILL

      SOUNDS TO ME AS IF YOU WERE SOLD A LOT OF 'BRIDGES' AND TRYING TO OFF-LOAD SOME TO RECOUP YOUR LOSSES.

      ALL I HEAR IS A LOT OF UNSUPPORTED PROPAGANDA.

      I AM A BORN-AGAIN CHRISDTIAN SDAVED THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST! I KNOW THAT BECAUSE THOSE THINGS I USED TO DO I NO LONGER HAVE A DESIRE TO DO. THOSE THINGS [DESIRES OR SINS THE BIBLE SAYS] ARE NO LONGER DESIREABLE TO ME. BUT IF THEY WERE, I HAVE AN ADVOCATE [JESUS CHRIST] WHO INTERCEDES FOR ME AND SEEKS MY FORGIVENESS.

      YOU OFFER NOR CAN YOU PROVIDE ANY PROVISION AFTER DEATH. JESEUS CHRIST CAN!! AND HE HAS MILLIONS OF WITNESSES THE THE CHANGE IN THEIR LIVES AFTER SALVATION.

      'IN THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT' GOD WILL PLACE ALL OF US IN 2 LINES-THE GOATS [LUCIFER'S FOLLOWERS] AND THE SHEEP [JESUS CHRIST'S FOLLOWERS]. YOU STILL HAVE THE CHOICE WHILE YOU ARE LIVING AND BREATHING!!!

      THE CHOICE IS YOURS.

      May 11, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
    • SouthernCelt

      Satan, by any other name is the Prince of Lies

      May 17, 2011 at 12:31 pm |
    • rachel

      Bravo-good work. Love it.

      May 17, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
    • ChristianC

      Have you been drinking?

      May 17, 2011 at 10:01 pm |
    • Beyond Human Ego

      Understanding the EVOLUTION of your faith is merely honoring your "father" and your "mother", your ancestors, those that got you and your faith to where it stands today, as the Bible commands – Honor your father and your mother. BILL, you need to be careful about breaking another commandment. Thou shalt not lie, which is all faith in things you can not prove is and its worse insisting others must lie to theirselves as well. I'm glad your experience has improved your life and I know it may improve others as there are milions of such witnesses. But tell us please...where are the witnesses that he has improved their deaths. Thou shalt not lie and just repeating something you read, no matter where, or something somebody told you, no matter when, is not proof without concrete evidence; and therefore to swear to it is a lie, even if you believe it only to yourself as faith. Still, that does not negate the good promoted by the right faith when used to improve lives without degrading others. You can't do both, improve your life and degrade others, though.

      May 27, 2011 at 1:08 am |
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