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April 10th, 2011
01:19 PM ET
France's controversial burqa ban takes effectParis (CNN) - French police arrested two veiled women protesting the country's law banning face-hiding Islamic burqas and niqabs Monday, just hours after the legislation took effect. The arrests outside Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris were not for wearing the prohibited garments. Police say the women were instead arrested for participating in an unauthorized protest. But the incident reflected the high passions the ban has incited among some Muslims. One woman who disapproves of the ban said no one forces her to wear the niqab, a full-face veil with an opening for her eyes, and she should be left alone. "I've not committed a crime," said Hind Amas, who was not among those arrested. "I'm walking peacefully in the street. I've not attacked anyone." Read about American women who wear Islamic headscarves The ban pertains to the burqa, a full-body covering that includes a mesh over the face, as well as the niqab. The hijab, which covers the hair and neck but not the face, and the chador, which covers the body but not the face, apparently are not banned by the law. Read about two Tennessee sisters who wear the hijab "The ban does not target the wearing of a headscarf, head gear, scarf or glasses, as long as the accessories do not prevent the person from being identified," the Interior Ministry said in a statement. Read the full story about France's burqa ban taking effectsoundoff (1,962 Responses)1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 Next »
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@BG – I have to agree with you, if Muslims need to put their laws ahead of the laws of France then they should leave. That would also be a good rule for Muslims/Christians and Catholics in the US as well as these 3 major religions seem to have problems of wanting to change laws and rules to meet their religions requirements.
This, from our sanctimonious Sikh friend...
Interesting search results for "Sikh influence on Canadian laws"
Go fish, GSA. You've turned your poor glass house into rubble long ago.
I guess the entire state of California, who put its own laws in regards to medical marijuana use, ahead of the laws of America who bans it, should leave as well?
You are just trying to rationalize your hatred.
@ Freemaan
Go whine and whimper to the DEA. They'll hand you a hankie... "Here, have a seat, son. Tell us why you're so upset..."
Meanwhile government buildings in predominately muslim countries have replaced french fries on their cafeteria menus with Sharia-fries in protest.
As Austin Powers put it...its a Man,man!!
Its about the right to wear what you please you ignorant clown. and yes, in the middle of winter, people do wear those in Manhattan.
Get real.
ok...but do people wear ski mask in the summer...in Manhattan? NO! So then are burkas weather dependent? I am pretty sure ski mask...the last time I checked.
So is a ski mask still ok? Or is it just if im muslim its not.
are you just kidding? Do you see people walking in Manhattan with ski mask on?....oh yeah, only if your robbing a bank or commiting a crime. Get real.
Bye Bye Burka – your comments show what kind of person you are (or rather, what quality of person you are NOT). Fortunately for the rest of America (and the West), there are good people who actually do reject that lazy, ignorant hate and childish bullying that you display in post after post.
You are a weak person and people like you enjoy your daily freedoms IN SPITE of your own backward personality. Your spite and willingness to attack innocent bystanders merely because they come from a Muslim background proves that you are neither American, nor enlightened, and that you are no better than the extremists from their side that hate all Westerners for the crimes of just a few.
You think just like the terrorists do; you don't value the ideals that make America free and moral. You are not one of us.
He is not ... one of us....
@ True American Dhimmi
I wonder how much your jizya is going to be?
It's sad and revealing that so many people neither care about nor seem to recognize their own contempt, bigotry, and prejudice against a quarter of the world's population. Most Muslims are decent, hard working, sensitive people, just like the rest of the world.
It's really too bad that so many Westerners are so weak-willed and morally feeble that they don't bother to stand for their own values of tolerance and openness, which supposedly sets them apart from the extremists.
and those same peaceful people will blow you up if you draw a picture of mohamad. As a matter of fact , they will send out a call to all muslins to hunt you down and kill you no matter where you are. Scary.
Completely agree, John. Its embarrassing that many of these bigoted xenophobes call themselves Americans.
Oh....then they want muslins to rise up against France to condemn the law!?!? How about leaving France if you don't like THEIR laws. Just get the f*** out. Go back to where you came from and kill your own people. France like any other country does not want the middle east problems or stupid laws. Why don't all the freaks who think they are commiting murder so they can be with 99 virgins just get it over with with a kool-aid party! Do they ever think those virgins are somebody's little baby girl at one point?!....sickos!
What a load of nonsense.
Good for the French. Its their country, and if these muslim "guests" want to be their, then integrate or leave. When woman go to Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, etc arent they REQUIRED to cover their heads?
right on , Steve!! Maybe we should rise up against their dumb laws in their own countries and see how they like it. I think we should put a nice Texas style BBQ on every corner in the middle east with one item on the menu....Pulled Pork! Yummy!
So, you suggest taking instructions on DEMOCRACY & Freedom of Religion from Saudi Arabia?
What about the Muslims that are BORN in France? Are they still 'Guests'? Is it only the White ones that are really 'French'?
@ Freemaan
One word.
Vichy.
I raise a glass to France!!! Viva La France!!!! Ban the those ugly burlap bags. It is the peaceful muslin peoples own fault. They want to hide terrorist under those things with bombs....you get whay you pay for. The peaceful cowards use them for evil, you lose your rights....simple.
Wow.. classic hill-billy low IQ mindset.
Hmmm! Are those two people in the photo, women, or men, or nuns, one man, one woman, or construction workers?
I am at a loss.
In the above photo – is the protester facing the camera or have her back turned to the camera? Honest question. The fact that I have to ask should tell you something.
Crap, they changed the photo. Oh well.
Regarding burqas in France...
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/for-life-liberty-and-the-burqa-muslim-women-defy-frances-ban-on-full-face-veils/story-e6frf7lf-1226037202428
Here's a quote from an alleged "convert" to Islam: "“I will only respect laws of the French Republic which are not in contradiction with me, my religion and my faith...”
If this is what Islam teaches and advocates, then Islam is an enemy to the French government and republics around the world. Islam is clearly subversive to any authority but it's own.
@BG And this is a direct quote from the Bible. The apostle Peter told the Roman government that as a follower of Christ, "We MUST obey God as ruler rather than man" As far as your comment about "the evil oppressive theocratic system bent on world domination" WOW! God Ruling (that is what theocratic means) the entire world is the only hope for mankind. It has been proven that no matter what kind of rule man can come up with, nothing improves. We only get worse. I say, Bring theocratic rule on and I hope it comes quickly.
Other countries should do the same thing and if extremists want to start trouble we should fight back even harder. Most suicide bombers in arab countries use this type of clothing to hide what they are doing. If this persists and they dont take of the problem themselves we should start shooting those dressed like this on site. Eventually they will stop acting this way or all be gone. All these extremists understand is violence so we should oblige them and show them we will not tolerate this type of behavior.
Yes John, and then they should be forced to have a yellow crescent sewn to all their clothing. And then you can start putting them on on the trains to the concentration camps. Sound familiar?
@ Freemaan
" should be forced to have a yellow crescent sewn to all their clothing."
Well, if we could get them to take a break from all the bombing, rocket-lighting, mortaring, stoning, slashing, decapitating, etc. and stand still long enough for a needle and thread...
Or – we could just use this little laser light on them....
@ABM
Question is, what God to have rule? Allah through the Quran? God or Jesus through the bible? Heck lets bring back Zues for some fun...
When a fairy tale would be chosen as the governing body, you run into the problem of who's fairy tale to use. Then you come into the fighting for each one and soon red riding hood is duking it out with the three pigs and the big bad wolf just smokes em both for a sunday brunch with humpty dumpty as a side.
Religion solves nothing. It only serves to seperate once sane people into more crazy sects and makes rulers out of the greed and power driven people that run them. Those same people are what makes the world the way it is when they are elected by those same mindset corporate misers. It is the way it is, with or without religion. It's the greed and lust for power of mankind that ruins civilizations.
I don't have a problem with anyone who wants to wear such clothing provided it does not present a safety hazard (such as while driving a vehicle maybe?) and that they are willing and able to identify themselves when asked (by government agencies or for commercial transactions), so I don't support an outright ban based on "cultural" reasons. But, as an atheist, I think it is a great law because it's causing discussion about religion and I'm convinced the more religion is examined, the closer we are to it's extinction.
LOL, good luck with that prediction.
Unfortunately most of what is going on now is just inflaming hatred on all sides of the proverbial fence. Hatred has a way of making people grab more tightly to the system they know and loose focus of logic or honest opportunities to learn from one another. It just creates more fundamentalists and zealots.
I am religious. I am Muslim. I don't expect you to understand my choices. But, I love talking to people from all faiths... and Atheists and Agnostics. There is just so much to learn from other people. The more we learn, the more we respect, the less fear there is for anyone following the system of their choice... whatever it is.
@ Hana
"most of what's going on now"
Actually, "most of what's going on now" is a process of education, realization, revelation, and polarization about Islam. This very naturally results in a divide between those that follow an evil and oppressive theocratic system bent on world domination and those that do not.
Although not all Muslims perform outright acts of terror, we potential kuffar (did I spell that correctly?) are increasingly becoming convinced that all Muslims are sympathizers and propagandists simply based on their affiliation. Yours is not a religion, and many, many, many other people are quickly arriving at the same conclusion.
And -that- , in a nutshell, is what you describe as "unfortunately most of what's going on now."
Have a nice day.
BG, I'm so glad we have you around to make rulings on what is a valid religion, and what is not.
Why don't you have a go at the Hindi next?
@Hana
The more I learn about religion the more I am convinced that all religions are bullish!t. Getting rid of religion will not solve all or even most of the world's problem, but it would get rid of it will eliminate many of the irrational and deeply decisive ones.
HotAirAce, how do you propose to 'Get rid of ' religion? Stalin sent religious types to the Gulag, perhaps you would give that a try?
'Getting rid of Religion' is usually just code for 'Forcing everyone else to think like I do'.
But If you truly and unmistakably correct, then people will naturally adopt your views on their own, given enough time. So just sit back and relax.
@Freeman
I don't have a proposal – I have hope. Hope that more will realize the stupidity of religion and discard it. Similar to the hope that many believers have that more will join their cult. My hope is not based on a book of tribal myths and a manmade sky daddy though...
@ Freemaan
Sure. If the Hindi should start behaving badly.... we'll all "have a go."
@ HAA
Hang in there, buddy. Anything worth having is worth waiting for...
What a wonderful religion.
Here's a good question for Muslims (or anyone).
The Son of God committed no sin, spoke only the truth, healed the sick, raised the dead, died for the sins of the whole world, and resurrected. He forgives all sins, rescues from death and the devil, and gives eternal salvation to all who trust in Him.
What about Muhammad?
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Your Jesus fellow did all that and somehow no one seemed to write about him until long after he was dead? Wow, everyone back then must have been raising the dead!
What about Leprechauns then? All fairy tales!
And people wonder why there is religious war...
Muslims believe in Jesus too. Just not as the son of God. He's just a powerful prophet in Islam.
Is there any medical report? Do the fully covered Muslim women get enough sunlight on their skin or fresh air to their lungs?
LOL, I dont know if there is any report on such a thing. I know that I have Vitamin D deficiency issues. I do wear hijab, but not the face covering. But, honestly, I think it has less to do with how I am dressed and more to do with me simply avoiding sunlight. Darn Northern European skin that burns and rosacia on my face... me and the sun dont agree.
@Adeline: No, but I do know of many medical reports that relate too much sunlight to skin cancer. Perhaps the French should ban bikinis next to prevent skin cancer. 😛
Everything's good in moderation... Rich food, sunlight, Muslims – oh, wait.
What if she farts? can she lift burqa to air it out? or does she have to breathe it in anyways.
or is it that muslim men[with child's imagination] believe women dont fart and poop?
If there are still practicing Christians in France, I hope they can comfort those who are going through arrests.
Are you saying that because Christians used to wear the headscarves?
Because they can sympathize with oppression.
If Arab women want to hide their faces what's the problem? Their usually not that attractive.
Akbar, what are you talking about? They are beautiful. I more worry for deficit of Vitamin D for them.
Yeah, those women are stunningly beautiful. However, they get really fat eventually because they cannot exercise without a burqua!
I did not thing that the Quran required the face to be covered?
The Qur'an doesn't require it. Doesn't even mention it. Some women choose to cover more of their bodies to be extra modest.
The Quran does not require the face to be covered. The Quran only says that believing women should dress modestly, cover their chest, and act modestly (lower the gaze, etc).
For Sunni Muslims, there is also the Hadith which are recorded things that the Prophet Muhammad supposedly said. In the Hadith, there are many that mention women who covered their face. Most significantly were the wives of the Prophet Muhammad. This was a mark of distinction and honor. Some other women also covered their faces as a mark of modesty and piety. So, it is discussed.
However, there are also many Hadith that show that it was not required for all women as Muhammad stopped one girl and specified minimal modesty as covering everything but the hands and face. Also, the Prophets daughter was asked by her husband to cover her face and she chose not to. Finally, wearing a face covering is strictly forbidden during Hajj and Ummrah, the two most holy of ceremonies in Islam.
Hana,,why would any one have to follow any religious book if they do not want to...the quaran has no more validity than say, a Harry Potter book, If most Muslims are born into the religion, and have no say or able to exit with out violence or death, then surely they are prisoners of that system. All to satisfy a belief in a non existent god....The stress we are putting on society and individuals for the religious ego s is appalling.
@ EvolvedDNA
I was simply answering the question posed by Kevin. Not trying to start a religious debate. But, if you want to know.
Islam is always supposed to be a choice. It was never supposed to be forced on anyone. It is culture and supposed law that condemns people to death for leaving. Justification for such punishments are taken from laws that were supposedly written by someone after Muhammad's death, but many scholars have debated that those laws were a forgery written a couple hundred years later. The only part of the Quran that references killing those who leave was specific to one case, and more about giving people permission to defend themselves than about the persons refusal of Islam.
I follow Islam by choice. Many people have left Islam. Many have converted to it. It is about choice. That is what the Quran talks about. Muhammad himself wanted his own uncle to convert, pleaded with him, but would not force him. He also let people who chose to leave, leave in peace.
Unfortunately, many Muslims are not good examples of Islam (including Imams, and Sheiks). Just like many Christians are not good examples of the teachings of Jesus. It is human nature to twist and take things out of context to justify their own agendas.
Actually EvolvedNot, the non-believers are the one's with ego problems. Religious folks learn to be humble, whereas, you folks don't even know how to spell it, never mind do.
You, and other non-believers keep flapping your mouths about ridding religion, abiding in the Golden Rule etc. Yet, you never figured out the bottom line of what you are preaching. What would make a person stay with the Golden Rule for a life time? Oh, believe it one minute, then the next? Don't believe in it. That's why you folks are foolish in what you are pushing. It is doomed for failure, because you never got it off the ground on the blackboard. There is no bottom line in anything you believe in. Basically, you really are promoting chaos and you are too full of yourself to see all the flaws you promote.
Amen.
Hi Hana.. thank you for your reply.. I still think it would be a dangerous position for you to take if you were to publicly leave the religion.. many would not find that a suitable position to take I am sure.
Heavensent.. as usual insults but no substance. Yes, of course we know what life would be like with out god, there has never been one so nothing changes. What would change is the violence and discrimination associated with the belief .. but it would take a while.
@Hana – finally!! A human being who choses to live and let live! This is humanity Hana. Keep it up and help other understand too!
Follow any religion you like, but be HUMAN first or i should say, follow HUMANITY!
Pass that hookah over here and let me have a hit...
It's a sad situation but the west, in my perception, does not trust practicing Muslims. Not all of them deserve this treatment yet it is because of a few, the rest suffer. Wrong or right, it's the way things are today.
From which planet are you form and under which rock were you living under?
Because of the few? The Islam running the countries of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, just to name a few, treat women like cattle (among other issues). I don't know which sort of Islam you're talking about, but quite a few hundreds of millions of people live sans freedom thanks to it. That is certainly not welcome in the west and it never will be welcome. At least water it down to the level of foolishness that Christianity's at over here where the worst widespread problem we have to worry about is the attacks on the science curriculum and the ever so slowly waning ho-mophobia.
These religions are so tiny and petty. Tis a shame they'll take so long to disappear...if they ever do. But, if I may sprinkle in some irony, I have faith that the human race will prevail against its self-imposed problem.
TheRationale,
Regardless, I have met some wonderful people who are also Muslim. Even if there are many who create problems doesn't mean everyone does. I remind myself about this when looking at Christians. I would like to think that people are capable of rational, informed decisions, even when concerning religion but I know that at this time, it is only a wish.
If those people are so understanding and respectful, then this law should not hinder them.
Yes, the few. Almost a quarter of the Earths population are Muslim. If they were all terrorists, all non-Muslims would be wiped out by now.
Just because you see something a lot on CNN, does not mean it is representative of the entirety of a huge body of people.
@ Freemaan
" If they were all terrorists, all non-Muslims would be wiped out by now."
Well, when you consider that they're working with Muslim 'technology'....
Why is it everyone has to practice their religion?Can't they get it right?Especially after so many thousands of years.
Anyone want to take a bet that the French fold on this law the next time that they're bombed? Odds currently at 5:1.
@BG
Hmmm.... What are we betting....? 🙂
Peace brother...
@ Peace
Tell you what. If someone wages that the French will not cave in on the burqa law due to terrorism and loses, then they owe the Muslims France. Just sign it over and be done with it. I'm sure that, in time, the Muslims will learn how to make a perfectly acceptable baguette. (It will, of course, be flat.) Decent wine might take longer, but in the meantime the Eiffel Tower will make a terrific minaret and and the showing of any skin will be outlawed; you can say g'bye to those great string bikinis in Saint-Tropez and Monaco and say hello to the 'burkini.' (Don't laugh, there is such a thing!)
If France stands firm on the burqa law in the face of terrorism, then the bettor wins and gets to keep France and four other European / Scandinavian countries of their choice as prizes.
Deal?
The "Burqini" http://www.yynr.org/tag/youtube-burqini/
Damn thing looks like a wetsuit. Just strap on a couple of air tanks, grab your mask and spear gun, and off you go!
@BG
Well, since you put it that way, as in handing France over to the Muslim's, should the French Government 'cave' ... and all of your fine examples of what to expect... I going to respectfully decline ! 🙂
A 'BURKINI'... really...? You've got to be kidding 😯
Thanks for giving me a much needed 'belly laugh' tonight with your postings-BG, It's been a tough day.... and I sure needed it !!!!!! I think you've missed your calling as a 'stand-up comedian' !!! LOL !
Peace brother....
****LOL.... Correction.......... "Burquini"
Peaece...
Good job France! It's YOUR country not theirs!
I hope the French don't cave. There are plenty of countries that are compatable with these women and their clothing. Little French children should not have to be frightened by scary, dark ghosts walking around.
My Hat is off to France for having some cojones for once and if they want support I say they have at least mine!!!
Someone should get in a PacMan suit and chase them around town. Where's Remi Gaillard?
Holy crap. That was offensively funny. Bravo.
And shouldn't it be the other way around? Usually PacMan only eats the ghosts when hes eaten the big white dots.
My head is swimming from that joke. Absolutely hilarious. Well done.
Brilliant!!!
Woooow that was freaking funny and GENIOUS!!!lOVE IT!!!