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 Antiabortion activists outside the U.S. Supreme Court during the annual March for Life.
April 14th, 2011
02:09 PM ET
New abortion laws show Christian Right's continued powerBy Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor So maybe the Christian Right isn't so dead after all. In fact, the movement that was supposed to have been eclipsed by the fiscally focused Tea Party in recent years and was said to be reeling from the loss of leaders like Jerry Falwell is showing some pretty dramatic signs of life. In last week’s down-to-the-wire budget battle between the White House and Republican leaders, for example, it was a GOP effort to defund Planned Parenthood – a longtime enemy of Christian conservatives – that emerged as a final stumbling block. And Family Research Council President Tony Perkins says the last time his conservative Christian movement saw so many victories at the state level – where many legislatures are busy passing new abortion restrictions - was in 2004, when more than a dozen states adopted same-sex marriage bans. At a moment when the Republican Party has reclaimed power in the House, has taken control of most state legislatures, and is set to begin the process of choosing its next presidential nominee, the Christian Right is playing an increasingly influential role in the party. Just this week, Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican, signed a pair of new Kansas laws that ban abortions after 21 weeks of pregnancy and that require minors seeking to terminate pregnancies to get consent from both their parents. That same day, Tuesday, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, also a Republican, signed a new law banning state tax credits for donations to Planned Parenthood or other abortion providers. With a handful of other states adopting their own anti-abortion measures earlier this year, Perkins says his conservative Christian agenda “has been accelerated forward” in recent months. Liberal groups accuse Republicans in Washington of pulling a bait and switch on social issues, saying the GOP took back the House last November by campaigning on fiscal issues, turning to hot buttons like abortion only after taking office. “I think most Americans are saying, ‘What’s going on here? We elected you all to focus on fiscal and economic issues, not social ones, and you’re not doing that,” says Planned Parenthood spokesman Tait Sye. Sye notes that a bill called the “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act,” which would place new restrictions on the healthcare law President Obama signed last year, was the third House resolution introduced this year, which he calls a testament to new GOP fervor on social issues. But many political experts say that religious conservatives never went anywhere - even if the news media and some quarters of the Republican Party paid them less mind in recent years. “The biggest reason we’ve seen all this action on abortion since the GOP came to power is that social conservatives are still a very important part of the Republican coalition,” says John Green, an expert in politics and religion at the University of Akron. “And the way parties manage coalitions is to try to give each part something it wants.” Despite claims by some Tea Party groups that their movement represents exclusively economic conservatives, polling research shows considerable overlap among Tea Party members and the Christian Right. About half of the Americans who identify as part of the Tea Party movement say they are also part of the religious right or conservative Christian movement, according to a survey released last year by the Public Religion Research Institute. The survey found that most Tea Party members reflect the views of religious conservatives, as opposed to libertarians, on social issues. Nearly two-thirds of Tea Party members say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases, and less than 1-in-5 support gay marriage. And white evangelical Protestants, the base of the Christian Right, are roughly five times more likely to agree with the Tea Party movement than to disagree with it, according to a Pew survey analysis released earlier this year. “There’s really no daylight between those the two groups,” says Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the anti-abortion group the Susan B. Anthony List, referring to Tea Party and religious conservatives. She notes that Republican leaders like Indiana Rep. Mike Pence and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann have a foot in both camps, helping to spearhead the House fight against Obama’s budget proposals and its attempt to defund Planned Parenthood. The Family Research Council’s Perkins says new GOP efforts around abortion are a reaction to President Obama’s first years in office. Obama rescinded the ban on federal funds for overseas abortion providers and signed a healthcare law that many conservatives say subsidizes abortion, though the law’s supporters say it respects the federal ban on abortion funding. “Politics is a pendulum that swings back and forth - the federal government overreached and now the states are responding,” Perkins says. “A lot of this is a response to the healthcare bill.” In some states, like Ohio, fights have broken out among anti-abortion activists over how to use their new-found power, with one faction pushing for sweeping new restrictions and the other urging more incremental limits that they say will withstand legal challenges. “Most of the lawmakers pushing for these abortion bills are not very well known even in their own states,” says Green, because many came to power in just the last year. “Their stars are still rising and that process will depend on whether their bills are successful and whether they are eventually overturned.” Debates over how far to go in restricting abortion will likely extend all the way up to the Republican presidential primary, with likely candidates already working hard for Christian Right support. Donald Trump, who says he will announce next month whether he will run for president, called the Family Research Council’s Perkins last week to chat for the first time, even though the thrice-married Trump isn’t exactly known as a “family values” Republican. “Trump knows to get to square one in the Republican primary process he has to show people that he’s pro-life,” says Perkins. “Whether he can get to square number two is another question.”
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The Christian Right is back? When did the pushy, arrogant jerks ever leave? Way to pander, CNN.
'pushy' 'arrogant' try TERRORISTS (see above posts)
CNN has barely any viewers, these nasty Republicans that no one in the media can identify with keep getting elected despite said media's attempts to villify them.
Could it be the headline should read "Abortion Laws shows publics stance against abortion" ???
Why, that couldn't be, everyone at CNN is fully for abortion, how could anyone be against it?
Then we read nasty hatemail from the less than 1% of the population that just loves abortion and hates anyone who opposes it.
As Ann Coulter said, Abortion is a sacrament at the Church of Liberlism.
"The Christian Right" -you mean America's version of the Taliban.
CLINIC BOMBINGS, ASSASSINATIONS, INTIMIDATION
Can you say TERRORISTS?
Just a thought here ... radical I know ... but what if that little embryo is actually a person. In the end it doesn't matter what you believe. It only matters what is actually true.
Let's say for example that our society adopted the idea that children were not actually persons until they reached age 10. In that case, taking the life of a 9 year old would not be considered murder. You'll probably look at horror and think I am a wretched person for such a thought. I may tell you that it is the right of the parents to make that choice based on their personal beliefs about when life begins. The thing is, the only difference between my scenario and the routine practice of abortion, is the age of the child. I'm not siding one way or the other. I do appreciate the great stress of an unplanned pregnancy and the grief it can cause. There are cases where that seems to be the best option. But, I think still, it is something to think about. What are we doing and is it right?
Very well said, just because we believe or not believe in something does not make it true or untrue. If it is true, it does not make a difference if we believe it or not. LOOk, how well are we doing as a nation with abortion. it should take about 1 second to figure that out. Not well. we are spiritually dead, only Jesus can redeem us from ourselves.
So true...if we can decide when life begins we can decide when it ends according to the rules we decide on as man....but do we have the right? No! Only God decides when llife begins and only He should decide when it comes to an end.
@CatholicMom
But that only works for believers, and the time that life begins for catholics might not be the same as for protestants or baptists or ? So we need something that works for all citizens and that has already been decided. If some cult doesn't like the legal definition, they can follow their own, and nobody else should mind. And! If believers simply followed their beliefs they wouldn't be having any abortions (and abortions in the USA would decrease by 70%), so again, no problem for that group. Problems only develop when one group tries to tell another that their god knows better.
The Christian Right is Back? The Christian Right never went away which is true of all toxic trash in this country. It will always fester like the ugly cancer of humanity that it is. If anyone will burn in hell....it will be the right
Funny how you sound very .... Westboro'ish yourself.
That is the thing, on the extreme left and the extreme right ... they always sound very much the same.
The rest of us in the middle would do better to just let you all on the extremes on both sides to go away.
Carrie Ann – how sad for you that you know so little about Christianity. Perhaps you've been in the midst of people like your parents, your loved ones – your circle of friends who claim to be christians – and they have let you down or proven to be less than you expected. Or perhaps you move among the non-christians – those who really seek instant gratification, instant joy, live in the today only because for them there is no future or eternity. I recommend you find a strong Christian group or organization to spend a bit of time in and study hard. The good thing about Christianity is that we are sure of our destiny and you are in search of. Happy hunting. The Old Testament is a good place to start.
Mary, great recommendation to look in the old testament. Let's have a look at Leviticus for example. So which animal did you kill and burn as an offering to god today:
Chapters 1 – 9
# "Kill the bullock before the LORD ... bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar." 1:5
# "Flay the burnt offering; cut it into pieces." 1:6
# Lay ... the head, and the fat ... on the fire which is upon the altar: But his inwards and his legs ... burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice ... a sweet savour unto the LORD." 1:8-9
# "Kill ... before the Lord and ... sprinkle blood round about." 1:11
# "Cut it into his pieces, with his head and his fat ... and burn it ... for a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:12-13
# "If the burnt sacrifice ... be of fowls ... wring off his head, and burn it ... and the blood thereof shall be wrung out." 1:14-15
# "For a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:17
# "Part it in pieces... it is a meat offering." 2:6
# "It is a thing most holy of the offerings of the LORD made by fire." 2:10
# "He shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it ... and .... sprinkle the blood ... round about." 3:2
# "The fat that covereth the inwards ... and the two kidneys ... and the caul above the liver.... It is ... a sweet savour unto the Lord." 3:3-5
# "He shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it ... and .... sprinkle the blood ... round about." 3:8
# "The fat ... the whole rump ... the inwards ... the two kidneys ... burn it upon the altar: it is the food of the offering made by fire unto the LORD." 3:9-11
# "If his offering be a goat ... he shall lay his hand upon the head ... and kill it ... and ... sprinkle the blood ... round about." 3:12-13
# "The fat that covereth the inwards ... the two kidneys ... and the caul above the liver ... burn them upon the altar; it is the food of the ooffering made by fire for a sweet savour." 3:14-16
# "All the fat is the Lord's."
When you do your burnt offerings, remember that "all the fat is the Lord's." (And he doesn't like to share!) 3:16
# "Kill the bullock before the Lord and take of the bullock's blood." 4:4
# "The priest shall dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle the blood seven times before the Lord." 4:6
# "Put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar ... and ... pour all the blood of the bullock at the bottom of the altar." 4:7
# "Take ... all the fat of the bullock for the sin offering; the fat that covereth the inwards ... the two kidneys ... and the caul above the liver ... and ... burn them upon the altar of the burnt offering." 4:8-10
Hey PeterVN,
Thanks fore those. Plan this weekend to head out to my local Lowe's or Home Depot and get the new portable Sacrifice Altar, for my backyard patio, fueled by propane I s'pose. That way I can be sure and do all the holy things exactly the way that ancient book says I should. Don't telll the Animal Cruelty guys though please. The ticket for that would be a little expensive, and I don't want that charge on my record.
(Exit..., stage left).
@ Snaglepuss,
Wow Snagle, loved those cartoons ! Are they available in color. "Exit, stage left"....LOL
Peter, you non-believers are the fat of the burnt offerings. Besides, Christians have answered this exact post numerous times for which you non-believers never accept Jesus' truth on it. Jesus is our passover. He died for all our sins. These burnt offerings are spiritual against sins of the flesh. Also, it shows you how to kosher meats. Don't let any meats sit in it's own blood or it will spoil.
Keep posting scriptures over and over again and never accepting answers.
Amen.
Peter – I don't think you understand that your posting is actually pointing people to the ultimate sacrifice, which is Jesus' death and resurrection. He was the sacrifice once and for all of our sins. NO need to go terrorizing the birds in the park now. However if you feel like you really NEED to sacrifice, go throw some beef on the barbecue and have a good ole time.
Look, the argument that anti-abortionists are stupid/irrational/inconsistent because they "dont care" for the baby after birth and all of that is just a non sequitur. It has nothing to do with the issue. Even if it is right (which it demonstably isnt) avoids the real issues surrounding the abortion pandemic.
The real issue is whether or not a fetus is a human (which biologically it is from conception and anyone is very hard pressed to show otherwise) and at what point a human becomes a rights bearing human. In order to justify abortion one must be able to present a case for a fetus not being a rights bearing human. The problem is that all attempts to do so have all resulted in hopelessly arbitrary basis for human rights that would in turn invalidate all other attempts to protect human rights (after all, they would be arbitrary as well).
And for those who think that this is a purely a religious position, I would refer to people like Christopher Hitchens (no friend of religion) who is an avid anti-abortionist.
Great Idea here!!!! Whenever a woman is on her way to a Health Clinic to have an abortion, you are only allowed to protest the event if you simultaneously contribute financially to the mother to cover her medical costs and lost wages during the pregnancy and sign up to adopt the child once born. Put your money and your motherly time where your bible belt is!!!
Funny how these folks want to "protect" the unborn, but as soon as the child is born, they are the first to deny the child and mother healthcare and education!
You are RIGHT on the money!
Here's a greater idea John. Keep it in your pants and buy stock in tissue paper.
Amen.
That makes no sense, how about the MOM and DAD taking some personal accountability and DON'T HAVE S-EX if you are not prepared to take care of the outcome!!! I am not going to take care of a mom who is out there just having a good ole time expecting the government to take care of her the rest of her life. What, are you suggesting socialism now?
HeavenSent
Here's a greater idea John. Keep it in your pants and buy stock in tissue paper.
Amen.
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But HeavenSent sperm is a life. It moves and act does it not?
"I am not going to take care of a mom who is out there just having a good ole time expecting the government to take care of her the rest of her life."
It shows you don't understand the welfare system very well. Welfare is designed to help children. Child poverty has a large number of negative effects on children. Studies have shown that kids who grow up in poverty experience a much higher risk of health problems, a greater chance of educational difficulties, and have a tendency to develop poor social skills. These problems will haunt them all the way into adulthood, and will frequently prevent them from achieving their full potential in life. Children have no control over the circu-mstances of their birth, and they can do very little to influence the behavior of their parents. They are born into poverty through no fault of their own. So, they have no moral obligation to suffer through it. Why should kids have to live in poverty just because they were born to the wrong parents
Karen,
yes I do understand the welfare system and have see people abuse it horribly. The issue is personal accountability even before it gets to the point of having the child. The welfare system should be a temporary help, not the permanent solution.
All who love abortion HATE God. All who Love God HATE abortion. WHY? Because to KNOW God is to Love Him. And HE gives you a REVELATION of the value of Life. Without God and His insight, you are in darkness. With God, you have access to all the wisdom the Creator has. You just ask for it and He gives it freely.
It will never cease to amaze me how some people think junk like this is convincing anyone of anything. Mind-boggling.
But if you love God, then you must also must love the mother and the child and will give generously to her healthcare and education for the child. Most will shun the child once born!
This is a perfect example of the type of reasoning that underwrites the Christian right. Have a good read of this grabage. Can you imagine this person with real political power. We'd all be sitting in church pews at the end of a bayonette.
Fear the Christian taliban...be very afraid of it.
Yeah. I really dont think that anyone "loves" abortion. Just saying.
Abortion is real.
God isn't.
I remember reading a post where someone said there are no male and female in heaven. So is god the only swinging *&^ up there? lol I just remembered because you kept saying He.
You sound like a heretic, arthurrr.... Claiming to "know" god personally would have gotten you stoned to death a few hundred years ago by your fellow christians. I know you right wingers suck at history but crack open a book sometime.
Arthurrrr ... ladies and gentlemen, I give you an insane person.
Artist, there is no gender in Heaven because we are back in our spiritual bodies. Our flesh bodies, which causes sin, are only used while we go through this test of life on earth. What is the test? To love and follow Jesus and live spiritually, while here on earth as it is in Heaven, to dwell with Him for eternity. 2nd choice. Love and follow satan's lies, die spiritually while housed in human form on earth, as it is in paradise, Day of the Lord, still hate Jesus, not eternity for you.
Your choice.
Choose wisely. Your soul depends on it.
Amen.
HeavenSent
Artist, there is no gender in Heaven because we are back in our spiritual bodies. Our flesh bodies, which causes sin, are only used while we go through this test of life on earth. What is the test? To love and follow Jesus and live spiritually, while here on earth as it is in Heaven, to dwell with Him for eternity. 2nd choice. Love and follow satan's lies, die spiritually while housed in human form on earth, as it is in paradise, Day of the Lord, still hate Jesus, not eternity for you.
Your choice.
Choose wisely. Your soul depends on it.
Amen.
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So that would make god the only swinging d!&k in heaven. Must me nice. No thanks, heaven sounds to boring.
I don't care what side of the issue you're on, how it is OK to drag your kid out to protests like this? Kids like the one in the picture shouldn't be used to tackle controversial issues; let your kid grow up and let them decide for themselves.
You mean like the kids in New Jersey that were made to sing pro-Obama songs in class.
One you have parents doing it ...the other you have people who are "not" the kids parents doing it.
Megan;
Totally totally agree. When I lived in the south I saw adult men drag their entire families to roadside "protests" of abortion – never mind in this southern baptist culture there was nowhere one could be obtained for probably 500 miles in any direction.
I am convinced these people are absolutely insane. Especially the men. Real easy to have an opinion that you have no skin in and is never going to affect you. Shoving it on kids is just unspeakably fricked up parenting. These people should have their kids confiscated and given to people who have demonstrated they know how to raise them.
I wonder when we will finally get to the point where we no longer base 21st Century social decisions on Iron Age myths from the Middle Ages that were cobbled together into a book during the Dark Ages.
Or, at least to the point where those who choose to retain such superst-itions are powerless to impose them on the rest of us.
Oh, yes. We should all pay attention to what a fool writes. NOT!
Amen.
Colin, bring it up to the present day issue of people not taking accountability for their actions and choosing the easy way out.
What happened to teaching people "cause and effect" principles? You have se-x, you may get pregnant. Not a hard concept to understand.
I am not "for" abortion. But this is an issue that divides even members of the same family. It is a highly personal issue, where two reasonable and intelligent people can and do come to opposing points of view. It is therefore NOT the government's place to decide and by enacting laws, enforce their views on everyone else. Again, I am not for abortion, but neither am I against those who, for personal reasons, wish to seek one. If it is against your religious convictions or moral codes, then DON'T HAVE ONE. But quit trying to make everyone else conform to YOUR convictions, will you? This is a decision for a woman (and often times, her male partner) to make in consultation with a doctor.
@stormsun
Now that is enlightenment. If everyone thought that way then America could reach the heights of greatness we once enjoyed. If the christian right starts impeding on personal freedoms then perhaps it is time for a revolution.
Excellent blog you have here but I was curious if you knew of any sudcission boards that cover the same topics talked about in this article? I'd really love to be a part of group where I can get suggestions from other knowledgeable individuals that share the same interest. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. Cheers!
Gee, it would be nice if they put the same amount of effort in caring about those who are already born, such as the homeless sleeping on sidewalks or the forgotten elderly in nursing homes. I guess the underlying philosophy is to get 'em born and then let parent figure out the rest.
Mark – those already in the world (for the most part) made choices that landed them wherever they are. The unborn – not the same. And, if we cared about the people in this country – that would mean we would have to stop spending billions on people outside this country first!!!
Yeah, I chose to get hit by that tsunami that god sent.
Mary – a two year old toddler in an abusive home didn't make that choice.
Yes, Mary, explain to us why you want to force people to have children?
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And let me point out that YOU are making a choice here that does not concern you! Shall I come over to your house and tell you what to do in your own home? Shall we invade everyone's privacy to make sure no one is hiding a dead body under the house? We could do that, you know.
Considering the track-record of religious violence throughout history, I'd say that puts YOU on the list to have your privacy violated to save the lives of the people you are terrorizing and oppressing with your religious-motivated CHOICES.
There's nothing like religion to make a person choose without regards to the truth. Sounds like a slippery slope to me.
Religious laws are unconstltutional – My goodness, you are a little over-dramatic aren't you?
basically it comes down to this:
If you can't support it, don't do it.
As for taking care of the already born on the streets. HOW MANY PEOPLE do you think will start screaming if a church opened up an orphanage? I can see the boards now "You are just trying to indoctrinate them!!" It's a lose-lose situation, we try to do some good, we get screamed at. We don't do enough, we get screamed at.
W247
Religious laws are unconstltutional – My goodness, you are a little over-dramatic aren't you?
basically it comes down to this:
If you can't support it, don't do it.
As for taking care of the already born on the streets. HOW MANY PEOPLE do you think will start screaming if a church opened up an orphanage? I can see the boards now "You are just trying to indoctrinate them!!" It's a lose-lose situation, we try to do some good, we get screamed at. We don't do enough, we get screamed at.
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Actually, I think the religo's would better serve the mothers if they started funding orphanages. However, I suspect you will never see the churches of the nutjobs like in the photo above funding such a thing. How many people are adopting outside of our country?
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The christian right has no soul or integrity. But they sure have plenty judgement.
"As for taking care of the already born on the streets. HOW MANY PEOPLE do you think will start screaming if a church opened up an orphanage?"
Actually why don't you really prove responsibility and try adoption instead. If Christians really practiced what they preached there would be no need for orphanages!
Karen – I already answered your question. Personally yes, we were adopting a little boy however the mom has been showing a lot of improvement with staying clean over the last few months and the state has decided to allow her to keep her child. I am really happy that she has decided to take personal responsibility for her actions.
As I have said before – stop being to judgmental and stereotypical.
Karen – another point, our church is also helping to support a young widow and her daughter, since her husband died last year from cancer. There are good people out there trying to do their best for others. I just wish people would stop being stereotypical with each other and actually learn to get to know one another. It's truly sad.
Some ni-tty-gri-tty:
As per calculations using Gutt-macher Insti-tute statistics:
The failure of the Pill results in one million unplanned pregnancies every year because women basically fail to take it once a day as prescribed. Is there a literacy problem that Planned Parenthood continually fails to recognize?
The failure of the male con-dom results in another one million unplanned pregnancies every year basically because many men, as per Gutt-macher, fail to use them even though they have them in their pockets or billfolds.
Then there are these additional facts:
from the CDC-2006
"Se-xually transmitted diseases (ST-Ds) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and ps-ychological consequences of ST-Ds, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with ST-Ds in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."
and
http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/20/yes-or-al-s-ex-is-s-ex-and-it-can-boost-cancer-risk/?npt=NP1
"Yes, oral s-ex is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-
Here's a crucial message for teens: O-ral s-ex carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of o-ral cancers in America in people under age 50.
"Adolescents don’t think or-al s-ex is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'"
Did you read that Bill and Monica?? 🙂
o Conclusion: The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the pill and male con-dom have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the pill or con-doms properly and/or use other safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs
I think it's creepy that so many old men are so obcessed with the reproductive functions of young women, especially men who are professional eunuchs.
Reminds me of Larry "wide-stance" Craig who has a long history of voting against any sort of reproductive rights. Hmmm, then is is charged for soliciting for s3x in a men's restroom.
I am against abortion and I don't see how any woman could be for it. We have this gift to be able to produce life and the typical human response is to squander it and abuse it. I honestly think that men should stay out of this issue until they too are able to carry a child in their wombs.
Now I am also smart enough to realize that just because I don't like something doesn't mean that I can speak for another person. I would never harm someone for having an abortion or even giving an abortion because I am pro life and it would go against my beliefs to take any life. I will feel free to voice my opinion though.
I do agree that abortions after 21 weeks need to go because children have been born at 21 weeks and survived. When that child is viable you are clearly a murderer and should be treated as one.
I also think that every person who wants to have an abortion should have to have an ultrasound and be made to see and hear the heartbeat. Maybe then they will realize that that is a living thing and not just an inconvenience.
What if during pregnancy and ultrasound is performed - at 23 weeks - and it is found that due to a blood incompatibility the female has an macerated fetus. If the pregnancy is not ended the female will die. No to abortion???
Men shouldn't have a say in it? We might not have to carry it but you can't make one without us. And we are the ones that have to pay for the little bugger for the next 18 years. We def should have a say in it. We shouldn't be able to say a mother needs to get one, but we definetley have a right to argue in debate about the issue
Men should stay out of the issue? Just an FYI, but there is probably a large % of men that side with your opinion. (Like me) Are they still wrong because they are men?
"when that child is viable"....so, if a woman has a child and at the age of two she decides that it's no longer something she wants to do – she can get rid of that child? If the child is "viable" at 21 weeks – then it's viable at 1 week – or 2 years – and if your theory is the woman should have the right to choose – well – then you'll have alot of women tossing their toddlers out the window. Hum – glad you're not deciding what happens to a child!
SadieSadie if you are to be true to your opinion then you should be pregnant or delivering all the time that you are able to. Get busy.
A gift to produce life? Every mammal has the same gift.
You made a baby? Congratulations. The dog next door had puppies. It's the same "miracle".
@ Mary,
Huh ? Are you kidding ? Read your post. It was unviable infants they were talking about. The ridiculous statement that logic would lead one to toss todlers out the window is the OLD OLD Reducio Ad Absurdum arguement, regarded as invalid for thousands of years.
Tony Perkins is quoted in this article. He is a famous hater from the certified hate group, Family Research Council.
Tony Perkins starred in "Psycho"...
No Artist just bored just having some fun with you guys.
lol I was wondering
christianity was created to control people. This nonsense is drilled into children's heads. To understand just how dangerous
this is, always look to the muslim religion. Don't buy bull. I'm personally against abortion, but not because of any imaginary sky
god. Rich women will hop a plane to get an abortion elsewhere, and poor women will go for back alley services. The only
intelligent solution is the "morning after pill", which can be sold a readily as aspirin.
Or, you can try celibacy along with staying away from male heathens who speak out id both sides of their mouths, never to take responsibility for their thoughts/beliefs, words or actions as they move on down the road to their next victim as soon as the previous one got pregnant.
Just a thought.
Amen.
"speak out id both sides of their mouths, never to take responsibility for their thoughts/beliefs, words or actions as they move on down the road to their next victim"
Just like you do on these blogs. Your nuts.
Long ago in the place of special cereals the dark hammer was observed. If you will listen closely you can hear the smell of ancient things that are soothing. As I approach the silent river I notice a jar. Carefully peaking in side the jar I see what can only be described as thousands of tiny other jars. the secrete is obvious to those who think of other things. Thank you for your time I say to those of valor. the lion is wise but the door is soon to slam on the weird picture of Eric Clapton wearing a silver scarf. Please do not let this frighten you because we all must carry the burden of very small things that have been smashed to tiny bits.
Jenkins did you forget to take your meds?
Is your hovercraft full of eels?
@Incontinentia Buttocks I will not buy this record, it is scratched.
Jenkies, when does the Mothership arrive to take you home?
The hateful Christians get all upset over abortion gays and muslims. Notice they say little or nothing about incest and domestic violence. Those subjects are too close to home.
Go to the South you will see plenty of incest or just a local nascar event. Check out your local Catholic church for young boys that are victims. The pope and his priests love the little boys.
They also couldn't care less about an unwanted baby once it's born. It can live on the streets for it's entire life and they don't care. They only want to control women. If men got pregnant this issue wouldhave been dead and buried long before Jesus was dead and buried. I say this as a male btw. Why do Christians have to concern themselves with what other people are doing? Christians should "Focus on their own d@m family".
Another thing, most Christians I know are against government funded healthcare. Who is going to pay for the unwanted childs healthcare? Not the tax exempt church I can tell you that.
Oh and YOU"RE not hateful!! right!!!!!
Most Christians are against government funded healthcare because as we all know that Jesus hated the poor. He wasn't a champion of the poor and the meak, and he certainly would be highly offended by these poor healthcare-less people getting ya know....free healings and such. Sure "the meek shall inherit the earth" according to their own "holy book", but they'll have to do it with no medical treatment. The irony (along with reason and logic) seems to be lost on most Christians. I think they should read their own silly bible once in a while and stop letting Fox News influence their politics. Then again, how does one convince somebody who believes in talking snakes and virgin births that their beliefs contradict one another?
right wing christians are the biggest phonies. they spout off their belief that life begins at conception, and then abandon the babies after birth. they beleive that no one should be able to terminate a pregnancy, but it's okay to bomb moslem men women and children because they aren't christians. they go to church on sunday, stop at the liquor store after services, and watch a fun filled afternoon of good ol' football because that is a peaceful sport that is beneficial to mankind. have you ever noticed that the red states that also are pro life states always seem to make football a priority in their school curriculum?
You heathens have something here. We Christians should be locking up you young male non-believers until you're too old to get it up and forget how to use it.
Amen.
Quit saying amen at the end of your sentences, you bible-beating, water-willed pathetic little worm!