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 Antiabortion activists outside the U.S. Supreme Court during the annual March for Life.
April 14th, 2011
02:09 PM ET
New abortion laws show Christian Right's continued powerBy Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor So maybe the Christian Right isn't so dead after all. In fact, the movement that was supposed to have been eclipsed by the fiscally focused Tea Party in recent years and was said to be reeling from the loss of leaders like Jerry Falwell is showing some pretty dramatic signs of life. In last week’s down-to-the-wire budget battle between the White House and Republican leaders, for example, it was a GOP effort to defund Planned Parenthood – a longtime enemy of Christian conservatives – that emerged as a final stumbling block. And Family Research Council President Tony Perkins says the last time his conservative Christian movement saw so many victories at the state level – where many legislatures are busy passing new abortion restrictions - was in 2004, when more than a dozen states adopted same-sex marriage bans. At a moment when the Republican Party has reclaimed power in the House, has taken control of most state legislatures, and is set to begin the process of choosing its next presidential nominee, the Christian Right is playing an increasingly influential role in the party. Just this week, Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican, signed a pair of new Kansas laws that ban abortions after 21 weeks of pregnancy and that require minors seeking to terminate pregnancies to get consent from both their parents. That same day, Tuesday, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, also a Republican, signed a new law banning state tax credits for donations to Planned Parenthood or other abortion providers. With a handful of other states adopting their own anti-abortion measures earlier this year, Perkins says his conservative Christian agenda “has been accelerated forward” in recent months. Liberal groups accuse Republicans in Washington of pulling a bait and switch on social issues, saying the GOP took back the House last November by campaigning on fiscal issues, turning to hot buttons like abortion only after taking office. “I think most Americans are saying, ‘What’s going on here? We elected you all to focus on fiscal and economic issues, not social ones, and you’re not doing that,” says Planned Parenthood spokesman Tait Sye. Sye notes that a bill called the “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act,” which would place new restrictions on the healthcare law President Obama signed last year, was the third House resolution introduced this year, which he calls a testament to new GOP fervor on social issues. But many political experts say that religious conservatives never went anywhere - even if the news media and some quarters of the Republican Party paid them less mind in recent years. “The biggest reason we’ve seen all this action on abortion since the GOP came to power is that social conservatives are still a very important part of the Republican coalition,” says John Green, an expert in politics and religion at the University of Akron. “And the way parties manage coalitions is to try to give each part something it wants.” Despite claims by some Tea Party groups that their movement represents exclusively economic conservatives, polling research shows considerable overlap among Tea Party members and the Christian Right. About half of the Americans who identify as part of the Tea Party movement say they are also part of the religious right or conservative Christian movement, according to a survey released last year by the Public Religion Research Institute. The survey found that most Tea Party members reflect the views of religious conservatives, as opposed to libertarians, on social issues. Nearly two-thirds of Tea Party members say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases, and less than 1-in-5 support gay marriage. And white evangelical Protestants, the base of the Christian Right, are roughly five times more likely to agree with the Tea Party movement than to disagree with it, according to a Pew survey analysis released earlier this year. “There’s really no daylight between those the two groups,” says Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the anti-abortion group the Susan B. Anthony List, referring to Tea Party and religious conservatives. She notes that Republican leaders like Indiana Rep. Mike Pence and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann have a foot in both camps, helping to spearhead the House fight against Obama’s budget proposals and its attempt to defund Planned Parenthood. The Family Research Council’s Perkins says new GOP efforts around abortion are a reaction to President Obama’s first years in office. Obama rescinded the ban on federal funds for overseas abortion providers and signed a healthcare law that many conservatives say subsidizes abortion, though the law’s supporters say it respects the federal ban on abortion funding. “Politics is a pendulum that swings back and forth - the federal government overreached and now the states are responding,” Perkins says. “A lot of this is a response to the healthcare bill.” In some states, like Ohio, fights have broken out among anti-abortion activists over how to use their new-found power, with one faction pushing for sweeping new restrictions and the other urging more incremental limits that they say will withstand legal challenges. “Most of the lawmakers pushing for these abortion bills are not very well known even in their own states,” says Green, because many came to power in just the last year. “Their stars are still rising and that process will depend on whether their bills are successful and whether they are eventually overturned.” Debates over how far to go in restricting abortion will likely extend all the way up to the Republican presidential primary, with likely candidates already working hard for Christian Right support. Donald Trump, who says he will announce next month whether he will run for president, called the Family Research Council’s Perkins last week to chat for the first time, even though the thrice-married Trump isn’t exactly known as a “family values” Republican. “Trump knows to get to square one in the Republican primary process he has to show people that he’s pro-life,” says Perkins. “Whether he can get to square number two is another question.”
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Kind of interesting HeavenSent rambles the same things over. If you ever listened to an insane or delusional person they demonstrate the same charactaristics. Also, HeavenSent demonstrates multiple personalities with her posts where she argues with herself. LOL
Tommie, Tom. You're still a punk.
Amen.
(cough) Artist LOL.
Amen.
You're tipping you hand(le) Artist. You only started blogging recently. How would you know anything about my writings and the phony heavensent writings.
Amen.
"To end a Life, so that you may live yours as you wish, is Poverty". Mother Theresa
THAT is a powerful statement.
There are many types of poverty, spiritual poverty is by far the worse. Emptiness, void of feeling, numbness. I pray for all who are in that dark place. Jesus is the light.
Amen.
"spiritual poverty is by far the worse. Emptiness, void of feeling, numbness."
Prove it. You are just speaking out of your butt.
I wonder if she had those thoughts as Africans died from aids as a result from her telling them how to live their lives.
JFZ – You KNEW Mother Theresa? You were there as she was speaking to these people? WOW, how OLD are you?
Luke 1:41
41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost
Isaiah 49:1
1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (KJV)
Jeremiah 1:5
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Amen.
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Thank you for sharing the story about a god porking a human.T hanks for trying to play but scriptures are not relevent in this subject. Do you have anything sane and not delusional to offer old lady?
Artist, thanks for beating me to it. This individual is apparently like most other Christains...lacking the ability to substantiate their beliefs and therefore, engage in ad hominem type comments.
But on a side note HeavenSent, I hold a Masters Degree in Philosophy and Religious Studies, so I have no issue going toe-to-toe in a religious debate. Just bring FACTS and stay on subject when you debate.
Artist, it's not Christians fault that you folks love chasing your own tails all the time. You're all about circular arguments. Big deal. We already know what a bunch of useless fools you are. Get a job, if being on this blog isn't your job.
Amen.
"Get a job, if being on this blog isn't your job."
Typical pointing out the spec not wanting to look at the log in yours.
It's not your job either. Go help some needy people and get off your butt!
Christian Do Not Know Their Own Book, then your parents wasted their money. Or, you wasted years of paying off loans for being a dry bone. That's the problem with the world. You fools getting a degree on something you never will know His truth on until you get over your big ego. I took more masters degrees down along with their piled higher and deeper fools than the courts can count.
Amen.
Nicole, your guilty of it too. Just by writing.
Amen.
LOL HeavenSent I am not a Christian so it doesn't.
What has being a Christian have to do about it? You accused me of the same thing you are guilty of.
I am outta here. You can blog with the phony heavensent who steals my handle.
Amen.
HeavenSent "You're all about circular arguments".
Now that's funny!!! Tell me more about the Bible...
These comments look like they are something you would find in grade school. Come on people grow up.
HeavenSent,
You have demonstrated nothing with this post. There is nothing whatsoever in these scriptures that are either for or against abortion at all. Did you not understand the request? Show scripture that backs up the claim that abortion is immoral; not showing me scripture that talks about babies. You clearly missed the point of my request!
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I wrote scriptures explaining when Jesus created life. Jesus creates life and Jesus takes it away. NOT man (meaning women too).
Too much for you dry bones hiding behind another handle?
Amen.
Ok, I am a little fed up with Christians in general on this subject. You all try to argue that the bible is the source of your hatred for abortion. However, I dare any one of you to cite scripture that supports your arguement. The Bible is all but 'dead' silent on the subject. So please, show me your scripture in opposition of abortion.
Why validate the "scriptures"? I would ask for the evidence that the scriptures have any authority. This, of course, takes us right back to the root request.
Please, any believer on this blog, provide any verifiable evidence that your God exists. Without establishing that your God exists, the Bible, scriptures, religions and all beliefs associated with that God are not valid.
Start at the begining. Provide the verifiable evidence to support your God claim and everything else can be discussed. Without the proof, you have no position to argue.
Luke 1:41
41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost
Isaiah 49:1
1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (KJV)
Jeremiah 1:5
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Amen.
Eric G,
Considering the complexity of that debate, I was at least trying to be nice and keep it simple. However, I am in complete agreement with you!
Eric G, the only thing that validates you is that you are sucking up oxygen on earth.
That's it. Nothing more but a dry bones, well without water, spiritually dead zone zombie, walking talking robot.
Amen.
Eric G. Open your eyes. As far as the eye can see, God created. Not your scientists in this world. God created all. Or, did the sun not rise this morning? Tell me which one of your scientists created the sun? The moon? The rivers? The mountains? All life? You even.
I'm so tired of reading your foolishness.
Amen.
Still no evidence. Thank you for proving my point so eloquently.
Why do you find it necessary to attack others and call them names when they ask you to explain your belief? Do you have doubts? I have respected your views. I only ask that you provide evidence to support them. Scripture is invalid until you can proove that your God exists. I can provide verifiable evidence to prove how the sun came to be. Can you provide any evidence at all that your God was responsible?
Eric G. You have never respected my views. If you did, you wouldn't be asking the same thing over and over again on multiple articles. You, like all the non- believers take our answers and throw it in the waste basket. Then you start all over again on your non-believing rants. As for what you claim to be name calling. I use the descriptions of what Jesus wrote about non-believers in His written Truth (the Bible). You don't like His descriptions of what a non-believer is? It's easy. Humble yourself, meaning shelf your ego, and you too can be on the winning side. You do know satan looses. Don't you? If you think you aren't taking any sides. Think again. There are only 2 teams in this test called life. Jesus (truth) heads the winning team. Satan lies to recruit his team.
Amen.
"Humble yourself, meaning shelf your ego,"
HeavenSent that is hysterical coming from you because obviously you can't.
Tamara, have you met Tommie Tom? LOL. Cut from the same moth eaten cloth.
Amen.
Is a fetus a human being?
How about an embryo?
At what stage of development should one stop considering abortion as the elimination of a cluster of cells and start thinking of it as murder?
If we concede that the right to self-determination is inalienable and an embryo is part of the mother's tissue, it is therefore a part of the mother. An undeveloped brain cannot possess the capacity for self-determination, so it is up to the mother to make the choice.
A woman's right to self-determination is recognized in other areas of pregnancy. Behaviours that directly affect the development of a child, such as smoking or drinking while pregnant, may be actively discouraged – but they are not illegal.
Unwanted pregnancy is a disaster for both mother and child.
To force someone to carry a child to term when they're not ready will do nothing but engender resentment for the child by the parent.
Giving a child up for adoption may seem like a noble option, but statistically speaking – foster children are far more likely to be abused and in turn be abusive. The poverty, abuse and incarceration rates for kids who have spent time in orphanages is exponentially greater.
Right now there are hundreds of thousands of unwated children languishing in the United States, doomed to a life on the margins of society.
HeavenSent
"Besides, Christians have answered this exact post numerous times for which you non-believers never accept Jesus' truth on it. Jesus is our passover. He died for all our sins."
Amen.
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And babe, we have been trying to tell you that fairies fly around Zues sits up high watching. We have asked you to prove us wrong. Yet you haven't.
Nema
Artist, or whatever handle you are using. I have answered you non-believing fools a zillion times. I can't help that you have no eyes to see the sun when it rises and sets. The mountains, the seas, the rivers, the stars, the moon, all the other souls housed in human form, babies being born, animals, everything the eyes can see, the heart to feel, ALL is what God created. Just because you don't believe, you can never say a scientist created ALL. Or, a big bang created life without having to accept that if that were true God was the only one around to light the fuse.
Stay foolish. It's your life. You own it. When you get about 40 or 50 years older. Write to me. Then we'll really talk.
Amen.
@HeavenSent
So who was around to light the fuse that created God?
Doc, not only do I know this is a big leap for you, even though you've been told this many times on previous article posts. He is the I AM. To stoop to your level it means He always was. He's the Alpha the Omega, which means, the beginning and the end. Eternity. Know you can go back to being foolish and not accepting any truth Christians try to explain to you. Oh, end of days generation.
Amen.
Oh those wonderful conservatives.
They are so concerned about the Government's responsibility in protecting and maintaining life, that is until a person is actually born.
After that it's all "personal responsibility," and "free market," and "individual rights."
And Artist, Christians have been telling you fools that you are a dime a dozen. Know nothing, do nothing, say nothing are nothing down on earth, as it is in Heaven. No eternity for any of you until you shelf those big moronic egos of yours, repent, ask Jesus for forgiveness and sin no more.
Until then, you just take up space as you suck up oxygen.
Amen.
Mark from Middle River
"The fact that you are willing to blindly blame everyone's decisions on their "love of satan" just goes to show how completely ignorant you are. "
Not taking up for Reality's little brother H.Sent but calling another's following of something that you might not believe or agree with as "a sheep" ...does get you just about as dirty as H.Sent.
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Actually christians prefer to be known as sheep. In fact they kind of get off on the idea of being sheep and a mythical being watching over them. Just pointing out the obvious.
Artist, being referred to as sheep and Jesus is our shepherd beats hands down any day being known as fools that refuse to learn His wisdom, dry bones, wells without water, spiritually dead who only get this life with no eternity for those with big egos if they don't shelf the PRIDE, humble themselves, repent, ask Jesus for forgiveness and sin no more..
SMILE. You own it.
Amen.
HeavenSent what will be the biggest joke of all is when you get to the other side and your standing in hell wondering why? It's obvious you don't have a clue.
Tamara, you're not the only sinner on this site that is miffed that I write Jesus' truth and don't stroke your ego of the man made lie to love the sinner, hate the sin. All baloney to stroke the egos of the sinners that refuse to give up their sinful natures and doesn't save souls. You want to listen to lies. Feel free. I'd rather write His truth. If that bothers you. Good. Too bad for you.
Amen.
HeavanSent – I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't say anything about abortion. In fact, I'm pretty sure Jesus never said that if you don't specifically believe in me, you will go to hell.
You don't have to be religious, or follow certain teachings like a sheep, to live a life of caring for your fellow man. I run a volunteer Search and Rescue Team that has saved the lives of many. And I do not believe in God. Go figure.
I don't think that passing judgement on people is what jesus intended. In fact, didn't he stop a stoning of a woman by saying ,"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.."? or something like that...You can't pass judgement on anyone until you yourself have been there. Have you every been impregnanted by a rapist? Have you ever been forced to decide whether its your life or your baby's life? The problem with making absolutes is that when it all boils down, Abortion is a medical issue. Not a moral one. And you can't make absolutes regarding medical issues because there are too many variables. Abortion is a sensative topic and it paints women in a bad light. I don't think ANY woman faced with that decision took it lightly.
The fact that you are willing to blindly blame everyone's decisions on their "love of satan" just goes to show how completely ignorant you are. And passing judgement was NOT in jesus's teachings...
"The fact that you are willing to blindly blame everyone's decisions on their "love of satan" just goes to show how completely ignorant you are. "
Not taking up for Reality's little brother H.Sent but calling another's following of something that you might not believe or agree with as "a sheep" ...does get you just about as dirty as H.Sent.
Cathym112 said to HeavenSent, "The fact that you are willing to blindly blame everyone's decisions on their "love of satan" just goes to show how completely ignorant you are."
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Not to mention very old and insane/delsuion she is. You have to take what HeavenSent says with a grain of salt and see the humor in the ramblings. She is actually quite entertaining...but batty
Cathym112, give it a rest. Abortion is big business. Period (in your case). Who are you or anyone to insist that abortion is the way to go instead of motherhood being put back in it's proper place, that being the highest honor that any woman could/should undertake. Frankly, if abortion continues to exist, I'd like to see it put on the books that the man who impregnates a woman, then insist she get an abortion should do prison time. Then will see how many of these cowards stand up and take responsibility for their actions.
Amen.
HeavenSent religion is big business – in the billions! It's called GREED!
Tamara, if you think your statement was insulting to me. Think again. I've stated many times in previous articles I do not attend church. I am a Christian that reads Jesus' truth (the Bible).
Amen.
I don't care whether you think abortion is morally right or wrong.
Religion has no place in politics.
Whatever happened to love thy neighbor? All I'm hearing from both sides of this argument is hate...
You have those that love thou neighbors "choice" and you have those that love they neighbor that resides both in the womb and out of it.
I declare jihad against all infidel fetuses...
What is the official Muslim stance on abortion?
I'm pretty sure they are against it if the women is married. If she's not married then they just kill her.
Fascinating... do you think they kill the fetus too?
Actually Islam doesn't take much of a stand on abortion. They tend to be more conservative but they don't take the stand that Christianity does. I'm surprised that Christians are against it considering their god committed one of the first abortions.
Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.
And this is where Christians find their morality?
The scripture where God or Jesus said he knew thee when thee were in the womb.
I think its Jeremiah, not sure.
Mark from Middle River,
I'm not sure what point you are making. Are you saying that God knew the people that he ripped out of the women's wombs?
I think the verse that you are referring to is saying the same thing as, I knew you when you were just a little baby. Or I met your mom when she was pregnant. Or I got your mom pregnant.
http://www.100abortionpictures.com/ If you think fetuses aren't children, look at these pictures...
If they were real children they'd not be in the womb still would they dear?
If they didn't want to get pregnant and have a baby maybe they should have thought of that BEFORE they got pregnant. Why punish a child ( and yes a fetus is a childand if you don't agree why don't you check out some abortion pictures and tell me that it wasn't a child) just because the parents were too stupid to use proper birth control. Condoms are not enough especially when it is so easy to get proper birth control.
I got pregnant on an IUD. I was only 21 and had a planned 5 month old. It wasn't the right time for another baby especially because my husband is disabled and I had lost my job. But instea of punishing the baby just for being concieved we would have rather put the baby up for adoption than kill it.
Abortion is killing a baby because you don't want it. If the baby was already born and you decided you didn't want it, would you kill a baby then? No because it's WRONG.
@Independent
You said: "Abortion is killing a baby because you don't want it. If the baby was already born and you decided you didn't want it, would you kill a baby then? No because it's WRONG."
No, because if you kill a baby it is murder.
The womb belongs to the woman. The fetus, in her womb has no legal rights until it reaches a stage that it is able to live outside it's mothers body.
Cheers!
Won't it be better to save the mother first If you want to save a baby so someone will take care of her/him and love him or her? Let's compare it to a tree, for a tree that is sickened its fruits will also be. For what was that was writen? "A good tree will not bear bad fruits so as bad tree never bore good fruits." Now if part of the tree is only the problem then you may cut the part and cure it to be save. But If that tree refuses to be cured then you may ask the owner that he may it cut off . For she or he who believed in Mighty God the Father should let him be the judge.
Ramon: don't know much about trees do you? An arborist trims off tree branches that will give the tree the wrong shape in the future. The tree will be far more likely to grow correctly than if it is misshapen.
I agree with Ramon and Floyd
Abortion is not the problem, it is the result of not addressing the real problem. Making sure that the mom and dad understand what they may be potentially getting themselves in to. Self control is severely lacking in our society.
Floyd, yes we are pruned of those things in our lives which would cause us harm so that we can grow more fruitful.
Some notes to digest:
The growing baby's heart beat is detectable at six weeks.
Obama says abortions should be "safe, legal and rare" but says nothing about the basic tenet of proper human conduct i.e. Thou Shalt Not Kill. And where is BO's sense of indignation that abortions are not rare and that these acts of horror demean the Golden Rule considering that he says he is a Christian. And where is his sense of indignation that women who use the Pill do not use it properly resulting in an failure rate of 8.7% as per the Gu-ttmacher Inst-itute statistics. Using these and other Gu-ttmacher Insti-tute data, this failure of women to use the Pill properly results in ~1,000,000 unplanned pregnancies every year. And the annual abortion rate in the USA is?? ~1,000,000 as per the CDC.
And do males use co-ndoms properly? No, as said failure rate for this birth "control" method is 17.4%!! Again using Gu-ttmacher data, said failure rate results in another ~1,000,000 unplanned pregnancies every year.
The Gu-ttmacher Insti-tute (same reference) notes also that the perfect use of the pill should result in a 0.3% failure rate (35,000 unplanned pregnancies) and for the male condom, a 2% failure rate (138,000 unplanned pregnancies).
Bottom line: Obama and most other US citizens are not aware of the basics of birth control. Obama still remains the leader of the Immoral Majority and will remain so until he becomes a true Christian and one who respects and protects human life in all its forms and who at least emphasizes the proper use of birth control methods!!!
News flash – not everyone believes what you believe. All your other facts are irrelevant to the central principle that religious dogma has no place in law. And if the pill is so great, why do "Real Christians" move to restrict it's use?
Keep your church out of my state and I'll be less inclined to blaspheme your God for the works of his followers.
Good grief...All Christians lets huddle around and protect our new brother Reality.
ROF'ingL
Heck, I don't even have to check any other of the belief blog threads today..... Patrick attacking Reality of all people was enough to make my day.
Don't worry kid, the first steps are the hardest.
Patrick Lewis–I agree with you.
Of course everyone has a right to practice their own beliefs (or lack thereof). There are way too many people out there that have their own beliefs, but consider all other belief systems as false. These are the ones to run away from–far, far away. The Christian fundies are the ones that are worst.
I don't care if Obama is a true Christian, fake Christian, true Muslim, or a fake Muslim as long as he doesn't allow it to affect with his duties as President.
Newsflash:
If you have do the deed, you may end up pregnant. Don't do the deed unless you are ready for those consequences. Pretty simple concept regardless of your religion or lack of. Anything else is just kind of self centered of you.
Some added conclusions for those who do not think "Thou Shalt Not Kill" and "Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself" and "Do No Harm" do not pertain to the youngest members of the human race:
o Conclusion #1: The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions (one million/yr-CDC data) and S-TDs (19 million cases/yr- CDC data) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.
Conclusion #2 – Currently, a perfect birth control barrier system does not exist. Time to develop one. In the meantime, mono-masturbation or mutual masturbation for heterose-xuals are highly recommended for those at risk. Abstinence is the another best-solution but obviously the se-x drive typically vitiates this option although being biological would it not be able to develop a drug to temporarily eliminate said drive?
Believers are responsible for 70% of the abortions in the USA.
Hot Air, I wonder what the statistics truly are for all the non-believers doing a hit and run?
Amen.
@HeavenScent
I assume you are classifying my statement above as a hit and run and probably implying that the claim is not accurate. Well, I might be hitting, but I'm certainly not running...
Now, if you would like to verify my claim all you have to do is a little homework – simply google "abortions by religion" and you should find a source of reputable data.
I look for to you letting me know if I've misunderstood you, or if you need help finding the data.
Against abortion? Then don't have one. Other than that, mind your own business.
How many abortions have you had Keith?
If Keith could get pregnant then this wouldn't be a political issue. Keith would go to his local priest to get an abortion or it would be an over-the-counter pill that he could find in the checkout line at Walmart.
Against guns? Then don't own one. Other than that, mind your own business.
When I was a teenager I had an abortion. One of the problems is a lack of information on the issue. It seemed to be the religious nuts siad it was a life and the scientist/media I chose to trust said it wasn't...it was a choice. When I got to the clinic they did an ultrasound. I asked I could see it. No. Against policy. I asked if it was a baby yet. I was told no. So I had the procedure. Few years later when I had my first child and bought all the baby books, had unltrasound, etc. I ws angry b/c I realized the baby I had aborted had a heart beat, arms, etc. I felt information was withheld. It may have been withheld b/c they were trying to "protect' me but I got robbed of truly making an informed decision. Goodness, i don't even feel right about killing bugs. There was no way I would abort my own child that had a heart beat. I thought it was a glob of tisssue. I feel for all the young girls out there making these decisions. The counseling they provide before procedure is a joke. And when I called to complain about what happened I got hung up on.
Kaylee, thank you for your perspective.
Kaylee how were your parents involved in all of that? Or did you just do it on your own?
I'll give up my abortion when you take it from my cold, dead hands ...
Abortions don't kill, abortion doctors kill...
No. Anti-abortion activists kill Abortion Doctors. Doctors terminate a pregnancy. A fetus is not a human.
Abortion is a tragedy, sure, but it is an ending to an even bigger tragedy of an unwanted child. This choice is up to the people involved which is the bigger tragedy. It's not up to the courts and it is not up to total strangers who will never help the child or the mother, or the family or even the community in which that child will be thrown unprepared and unloved.
This is why people hate Christians. Christians believe that it is their right to convert their beliefs into law for others. I am intolerant of their intolerance.
Patrick, if your mother terminated HER pregnancy, you wouldn't be here today. How would you tolerate that? Have a nice life!!
Patrick Lewis,
First you say a fetus is not a human but then you say that abortion is a tragedy…then you call it an unwanted child. How do you tolerate your inconsistency?
CatholicMom Wrote:
First you say a fetus is not a human but then you say that abortion is a tragedy…then you call it an unwanted child. How do you tolerate your inconsistency?
He's not inconsistent. You're just incapable of reading in context it seems. If you don't abort a fetus, you will have an unwanted child. He's talking about one leading to another.
@Patrick I am an atheist, so this is not based on any religious belief. You are wrong. A fetus is in fact a human, that's not a debatable opinion, hypothesis, or theory, it is scientific fact. It is possible to argue that an embryo is not yet human, but that argument is pretty thin. According to genetics human life begins when the 23 chromosomes carried by the sperm combine with the 23 chromosomes contained in the ovum. As an atheist, I'm prone to believing the world's leading scientists, rather than religious nuts or left wing ideological zealots, each looking to advance their own codes by manipulating the facts. 8 weeks after fertilization, there is a indisputably human life. If you wish to continue debating for abortion, you will need to come up with another argument. It's not religion that is contradicting your argument, it's the facts.
@ Patrick FitzLewis & Lewis FitzPatrick
If my mother chose to abort me, I simply never would have existed. The world would have continued to turn, flowers would continue to bloom, and wars would be started and ended, just as they always have. Would the world be less than it is now without me? Who knows? What if Hitler's mother chose to abort him? What about Darwin's mother? We can never know.
Same goes with you Bobinator. What if your parents believed in abortion when they were pregnant with you? You folks are so quick to stand up for abortion for what you know nothing about, just reading all your propaganda sites of other hate filled non-believers sucking up oxygen in this world..
Amen.
HeavenSent what have you done for the children waiting for adoption? Those that need loving homes.
Psalm 82: 3-4 Defend the poor and fatherless; Do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy; Free them from the hands of the wicked.
Deuteronomy 15:7-8 If there is among you a poor man of your brethren, within any of the gates in your land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart nor shut your hand from your poor brother, but you shall open your hand wide to him and willingly lend him sufficient for his need, whatever he needs.
Deuteronomy 15:11 For the poor will never cease from the land; therefore I command you, saying, 'You shall open your hand wide to your brother, to your poor and your needy, in your land.
Karen, stop worrying about me. I do my part. And you? My private life is none of your business. What I wish to share, I will and have. As for you continuing to bagger me is typical of a fool. You own it. Deal with it.
Amen.