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April 15th, 2011
04:07 PM ET

What if there is no hell?

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Michigan pastor Rob Bell recently appeared on CNN's "American Morning,"  speaking about his book "Love Wins" and the controversy surrounding it.  Many conservative pastors have accused Bell of misrepresenting the Bible's teachings on heaven and hell, with some going as far as calling him a heretic.

Bell reiterated to CNN that he very much believes in both heaven and hell.

Read more about Bell and the controversy from the Belief Blog:

Christian author's book sparks charges of heresy

Firestorm grows over 'Christian heresy' book

Rob Bell punches back against claims of heresy

Bell is also the subject of a cover story in this week's TIME magazine.

Watch American Morning weekdays 6am to 9am ET. For the latest from American Morning click here.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Content Partner • Michigan • Pastors • TV-American Morning • United States

soundoff (419 Responses)
  1. Capercorn

    Can I believe it? A 21st Century Søren Kierkegaard?

    April 17, 2011 at 12:18 am |
  2. frank

    @Evan "The problem with atheists however, is they over-generalize"

    That's funny...or not.

    April 16, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Definitely funny.

      April 19, 2011 at 9:44 pm |
  3. EvolvedDNA

    uneef..it is important to you, and other believers and religions to believe that atheists( non believers) are "bad" people. It is not true of course but without that believe it weakens your argument. As religions are all death cults.. fascinated in the extreme with an afterlife, it is why they want you to suspend common sense, and replace it with fear and superst-ition. I am sure a lot of what you are told you do not agree with, or you just know it makes no sense, but you are duty bound to swallow it... Faith is just another word for sustained ignorance.

    April 16, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
    • Evan

      Atheists are not bad people, no. You can be an atheist yet still be a friendly, intelligent guy. The problem with atheists however, is they over-generalize: "As religions are all death cults.. fascinated in the extreme with an afterlife" You say that as if every single religion in the world is the same. Besides, I am not a Christian because it makes the promise of eternal life. If the Bible said there would be no life after death, I would still be Christian. "it is why they want you to suspend common sense, and replace it with fear and superst-ition" Atheism: the belief that there was nothing and then nothing happened to nothing and then nothing randomly exploded for no reason, which created everything, and then everything randomly rearranged itself into self replicating bits which turned into dinosaurs. Common sense? "Faith is just another word for sustained ignorance" So every religious person who has ever existed was just an ignorant idiot? I really doubt that.

      April 16, 2011 at 11:21 pm |
    • Don

      Evan, with respect to certain things religious people are idiots, yes.

      April 16, 2011 at 11:34 pm |
    • NL

      Evan-
      "The problem with atheists however, is they over-generalize"
      Yes, we say that all gods are myth, whereas believers say this is an over-generalization by one.

      April 17, 2011 at 12:31 am |
    • EvolvedDNA

      HI Evan..it is not atheist view that things came from nothing.. evolution tells us that live evolved from a common ancestor billions of years ago.. what started that life is still open top debate.. this has been mentioned many times..As it is human nature to explore and find answers, the search for answers continues. To simply say god did it is not an answer because you only open up the inevitable counter question, who made god. So you are no further ahead. Religion discourages study of things it deems to be counter to its doctrine, and in saying that god created everything and drives everything is intellectually and morally wrong, and as such, yes, religions are sustaining ignorance. I think that in Islam, any thought of evolution is a dangerous and potentially lethal endeavor' is that not sustaining ignorance? . I do not think, nor did intend to suggest that Christians or Muslims are ignorant, just that the religions hold intellectual thought back and allow it to stagnate. I think that most religious folks, if given the opportunity to read recent scientific studies and evidence , would agree that evolution is as close to a fact as you could get .

      April 17, 2011 at 12:49 am |
    • Muneef

      E.DNA.

      Did not realize that I have call atheists any thing bad....was just stating definition of the word...it is not for me to judge them since many could be kind, extending hands to help, assist the poor and the needy...more than any religious would do...

      After all we all are judged by God for what our hearts has earned and intentions....

      [22:17]. Those who believe, those who are Jewish, the converts, the Christians, the Zoroastrians, and the idol worshipers, GOD is the One who will judge among them on the Day of Resurrection. GOD witnesses all things.

      [2:225] GOD does not hold you responsible for the mere utterance of oaths; He holds you responsible for your innermost intentions. GOD is Forgiver, Clement.

      April 17, 2011 at 10:19 am |
  4. Muneef

    About Atheists;
    As understand from the oxford English English that the word means non-believer,disbeliever.unbeliever,sceptic.doubter,doubting.Thomas,agnostic,nihilist.
    Well seem as those are not specifically being towards Religion only but towards all that goes on in life and life it self ! 
    Not having faith or trust is a problem and blindly giving a faith and trust is another problem !

    Was informed that N.Korea system is an atheist system and for that they are more advanced than religious systems ! 
    Just heard on the news that N.Korea 2012 will declure her self A Super Power ! And that they are annually visiting as a pilgrimage the Idol of their deceased ex President offering flowers,for they had considered him their eternal President !
    Soon they will have the Son Idol to visit, after that all they need a holy ghost !
    Seeing that atheist system means you become to worship idols such as those (men of ideologies,political parties or even movie stars or football teams) those get of you  all love and attention rather more than God !    

    In such though could those who worship and fear men and ideologies more than God like the Mafia or Similar Gangs be considered as atheists for they have God Fathers and War Princes to fear more than God ! Or is it that no one fear God any longer ? Is it in disbelief or in belief such as those who think God is all about love and would not punish while others think they have been saved by having their Prophet sacrificed as a sin taker and that no matter what they do today they are sure to go to Paradise only because they think there is no place for Hell for it does not exist nor punishment exist ? Forgot to ask them whether for all or them only or for other faiths as well ? Then if the other faiths have paradise and hell or only hell because all were wrong not accepting their named son or the 3in1 formula ! ? For they have made idols that are considered holy as well as many other faiths who have made for them selves live and dead idols to worship than God or worship them beside God or assigning them as God's partners that are feared by them maybe even more than God ! ? It is those who are killing,corrupting the earth and the sea !? 

    Now how could atheists and disbelievers to become to believe in such teachings and practices over the what the creator been calling upon us to believe !? 

    If i thought to ask what is needed to be seen for man to believe in God ? And if need an individual to see it or needs the world to see it with him for him to become to believe in the unseen ?  And if need to see it while fully awake or while you are fast asleep ?

    Many do get all the signs and warnings in their asleep in their dreams !   
    For that they have to go to bed in ablution state and no alcohol then pray asking God to be able to see the truth and might you one day see some thing if kept on trying !!
    God only answers those who call upon him wanting him and his guidance but might not to those who remember to call upon him only when they are in trouble and when they are saved they fail to remember him and go back to what they used to do before then rather than to do what should have to be done in return !
     
    What is happening to mankind and am one of them that as well not perfect or trying hard to be as perfect as should be as a follower of the Quran on the faith of Abraham and the path of Muhammed (SAW)to both... My God help and guide me and who ever wishes before death and after death and on the judgment day.  Ameen 

    April 16, 2011 at 9:40 pm |
    • Evan

      Muneef, so if you are saved by believing in one G-d, why can't a Jew be saved?

      April 16, 2011 at 11:25 pm |
    • civiloutside

      "As understand from the oxford English English that the word means non-believer,disbeliever.unbeliever,sceptic.doubter,doubting.Thomas,agnostic,nihilist.
      Well seem as those are not specifically being towards Religion only but towards all that goes on in life and life it self ! "

      We're down to lying about the definition of words to make our point now? An atheist is nothing more or leas than someone who does not believe in supernatural gods. Making up stuff to make them look like something they're not is lying. And this from the side that tries to make the argument that only they are moral. Almost laughable, really.

      Got news for you. North Korea may label themselves atheists, but by encouraging the worship of a god, even in the form of a human being, they are functionally theist. Which kind of demonstrates that the urge to worship something in no way supports the idea that said thing is worthy of being worshipped.

      April 16, 2011 at 11:31 pm |
    • Muneef

      Civiloutside.

      Why would I lie and makeup words ? Have given you my source of information so have you checked it before calling me liar? Here find the exact source; (Oxford En-En/Concise Oxford Thesaurus) version 2.4.3 CB 35...Oxford university press,2007. Website: http://www.epocware.com:

      So now you can contact them to ask them to change the meaning of the word to your liking....and good luck.

      April 17, 2011 at 9:45 am |
    • Muneef

      Evan.

      Who said Jews will not be saved? They will have the same of what is going on all...example;
      Not all Muslims will be saved, Not all Christians will be saved, Not all Jews will be saved...those who will be saved are those who did Good deeds of the righteous and whom God chose to save...
      This does not apply on those three parties only but to most beliefs....  

      [2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

      [5:69] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the converts, and the Christians; any of them who (1) believe in GOD and (2) believe in the Last Day, and (3) lead a righteous life, have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

      17. Those who believe, those who are Jewish, the converts, the Christians, the Zoroastrians, and the idol worshipers, GOD is the One who will judge among them on the Day of Resurrection. GOD witnesses all things.

      April 17, 2011 at 10:02 am |
    • civiloutside

      Your source is a thesaurus, not a dictionary. A thesaurus provides single words that are similar in meaning, it does not provide a definition. That would be a dictionary. The Oxford American DICTIONARY defines atheism as "the theory or belief that God does not exist." That's it. Nothing more than that. You have posted words from a non-dictionary source that are similar enough in meaning that you could twist and expand on them to make a dishonest point. If that's not lying, it's still dishonest argument.

      April 17, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • Magic

      Muneef,

      Civiloutside is correct. The word Atheism is derived from 'a'=without, 'theism'=belief in a god/gods.

      The rest of the synonyms that you list may or may not describe some Atheists.

      Here are some synonyms for Theism:
      acosmism, adoration, allotheism, anthropolatry, anthropomorphism, anthropotheism, autotheism, churchgoing, conformity, cosmotheism, cultism, deism, devotedness, devotion, devoutness, di.theism, dualism, dutifulness, dyotheism, faith, faithfulness, henotheism, hylotheism, love of God, monolatry, monotheism, multi.theism, myriotheism, observance, pantheism, physicomorphism, physitheism, pietism, piety, piousness, polytheism, psychotheism, religion, religionism, religiousness, reverence, tetratheism, theopantism, theriotheism, tritheism, veneration, worship, worshipfulness, zootheism.

      Are you *all* of those?

      ©2007-2011 freethesaurus.net

      April 17, 2011 at 1:05 pm |
    • Muneef

      Civiloutside.

      Another thing I add I was not trying to be dishonest at all,the issue that this is the only dictionary I have on my mobile and did not know that American English dictionary has a vast difference from the British English dictionary...guess have to apologize for such a mistake ? I find that really strange because I have depended on oxford dictionaries for 25 years now and today I find it has been giving me wrong information about the meanings of words ! I really feel now like writing to them complaining their ignorance...?!

      April 17, 2011 at 7:17 pm |
    • Muneef

      Magic.

      No I can't be all but as explained I was merely looking for a meaning for the word and that what I got...no intentions to be dishonest or a liar as civil-outside has accused me of...
      Any way now can we cut it short to mean "Divine Disbelief" or what "Vast Disbelief" ??

      April 17, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
  5. Enoch2000

    A brother questioned Abba Poemen in these words, "What does the Scripture mean: 'See that none of you repays evil for evil?'" The old man said to him, "Passions work in four stages: first, in the heart; secondly, in the face; thirdly, in words; and fourthly, it is essential not to render evil for evil in deeds. If you can purify your heart, passion will not come into your expression; but if it comes into your face, take care not to speak; but if you do speak, cut the conversation short in case you render evil for evil."

    April 16, 2011 at 8:42 pm |
  6. brucemo

    Christianity would be improved without Hell, but I think it's pretty wishful to argue that the Bible can be interpreted such that everyone is "saved" regardless. There is a pretty strong "If you believe, then you are saved" message there, the implication of course being that if you don't, you're screwed. It's hard to change this without creating a new religion.

    Without having read the links, bought the book, etc., I am still willing to bet that this guy gets death threats.

    April 16, 2011 at 8:34 pm |
    • Evan

      Couldn't have said it better, my friend.

      Atheists say that a loving G-d would not create a Hell. Well, G-d loves atheists, but they hate Him. G-d isn't going to force them to spend eternity with Him.

      Besides, it's not like G-d is asking us to do something we cannot do. 95% of the time, atheists don't believe because they don't want to, not because there is no evidence.

      April 16, 2011 at 11:14 pm |
    • Reflection

      Evan,

      "95% of the time, atheists don't believe because they don't want to, not because there is no evidence."

      That's a pretty bold statement there, pardner. Do you have evidence for it?

      April 16, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
    • Evan

      Reflection, yep: experience.

      April 16, 2011 at 11:22 pm |
    • Don

      So you have no evidence for your claim, Evan. Great.

      April 16, 2011 at 11:34 pm |
  7. Info

    Heavensent and prisim keep forgetting God is a loving God who will not rest until the entire creation is redeemed, All creatures will be saved but of course thats not good for them that they have to share heaven with everyone,sadly for them there is no hell.

    Eternal damnation solves the tricky business of what is evil? Why do bad things happen to good people? A place call Hell for those who escaped a well deserve punishment in this life, balances the playing field. If not, not only is life unfair but so would the afterlife if we were all giving a piece of heaven. Therefor Hell was created for those "bad people" "no eternity" for them as you put it.

    You project your retributive arrogant claims of who gets damnation with presumption that God has a appeti-te for vengence and hellfire but it's nothing but for your own satisifaction using Gods name to justify the people you don't like or disagree with to be sent to Hell. You turn God into a jailer.

    Jesus taught to forgive and love your enemies, "Your enemies to be damned" is not part of his gospels

    Justice, mercy, and forgiveness were his big three you showcase none of those traits yet tell everyone else to seek him, you should take your own advice.

    if there is a hell I look forward to sharing it with you since you go against all his teaching jeffersons bible is a good place to start he took all has many teachings and scriptures.

    There is no hell will all be together one day

    April 16, 2011 at 7:25 pm |
    • Evan

      "For God so loved that world that He gave His one and only son that whoever believes in him will not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send His son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son" (John 3:16-18). God wants us all to be saved, but it is ultimately our choice whether or not we accept His love. God will not force people who hate Him to spend eternity with Him.

      You are correct: Hell is not necessarily a place of physical punishment, but of the mental torment of being seperated from God's Kingdom. However, Jesus makes it clear the believers and the non-believers will be seperated.

      April 16, 2011 at 10:59 pm |
  8. Evan

    A Dialouge Against an Atheist

    Theist- How did the universe, "something", come form nothing?

    Atheist- Scientists don't believe the universe came from nothing...

    Theist- Yes, you do. There can be no states between "something" and "nothing". Either something is, or it isn't. Something cannot be, yet not be. Therefore, if there was never a time when there was nothing, there was always something. Therefore, if the universe did not come from nothing, it must have come from something. But what is this "something"? There are two options here: this "something" is either transcedent or non-transcendent. Theists believe this being is transcedent, and exists completely outside of the universe. We believe this being is eternal, but the universe it created is not, which is the only logical conclusion in this case. Atheists believe this "something" is non-transcedent and is merely part of the universe. But this is not logical. First off, something cannot create itself. Something that is part of the universe cannot create the universe. Second, according to the Second Law of Thermodynamic, a perpetual motion machine is impossible. This applies to the universe as well. If the universe has always existed, why hasn't it collapsed into a state of entropy?

    Atheist- The Second Law of Thermodynamic applies to energy, not matter. If something has always existed, that does not mean energy has always existed...

    Theist- If energy has not always existed, but matter has, that means that energy must have come into existence at some point. But doesn't this violate the Law of Conservation of Energy? If the universe did not come from nothing or something transcedent, it must be eternal, because something within the universe must have always existed. But this is violating the laws of science. If the universe did come from nothing, this is a violation of the laws of science and the laws of logic; something cannot come from nothing. To say "We don't believe a transcedent being created the universe, but we don't believe the universe came from nothing" is to throw yourself into a logical dead-end. Back to my first question: How did the universe come from nothing?

    Atheist- We don't know...

    Theist- "We don't know" isn't going to work here. There are only three options: the universe was created from nothing, the universe was created by something non-transcendent, or the universe was created by something transcendent. You yourselves have denied the universe being created from nothing, yet science and logic contradict the very idea of an eternal universe or the universe creating itself. That leaves us with only one logical option: the universe was created by something transcendent.

    Atheist- But we don't know that those are the only 3 options...

    Theist- That doesn't work either. There are no states between something and nothing; something cannot be yet not be. There can be no states between transcedent and non-transcedent; something cannot be of the universe yet not of the universe; something cannot be restricted to the laws of nature yet not restricted to the laws of nature. You can deny this, but that would be to deny the laws of science, which leads us to the question: why are you using science to defend yourself when it contradicts your reasoning? You can deny this, but that would be to deny the laws of logic, which leads to the question: why are you even debating if you cannot trust your own logical reasoning?

    Atheist- This transcedent being is not necessarily "God".

    Theist- True, but this argument is enough to dispose of atheism.

    April 16, 2011 at 7:07 pm |
    • Don

      1. Evan, you believe that something came from nothing.

      2. Only you believe that.

      3. Nothing isn't something ontological, but a contradistinctory concept to something. Only something can exist.

      4. Thus, your "dialog" is a strawman.

      5. You presume that the universe was caused. This begs the question that causality makes sense apart from the universe–and that apart from the universe makes sense.

      6. Thus, your dialog fails.

      7. Grow a brain.

      April 16, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
    • Evan

      Don, "Evan, you believe that something came from nothing".

      Nope, I believe everything came from G-d.

      "Nothing isn't something ontological, but a contradistinctory concept to something. Only something can exist".

      You're arguing about words, not their meanings. "Nothing" is the lack of "something". If something does not exist, than nothing exists. However, you said that "Only something can exist". Well, atheists don't believe anything exists outside of the universe exists. Therefore, this "something" must have been part of the universe. You believe the universe has always existed, which science condemns.

      "You presume that the universe was caused. This begs the question that causality makes sense apart from the universe–and that apart from the universe makes sense"

      I do not assume the universe was caused. I only assume that there are no states between "nothing" and 'something", and there are no states between 'transcendent" and 'non-transcedent". I'm not the one making the faulty assumption: you are. You assume that nothing can exist outside of the universe. But is this a valid argument? No, the universe cannot be eternal and the universe cannot create itself. Newton's First Laws said that an object's motion will change when an unbalanced force acts upon it. Therefore, if no force acts upon an object, it will not move. However, the universe does move. Therefore, something must have acted upon it. So was Newton wrong?

      "Grow a brain"

      Gettin' personal, now....

      April 16, 2011 at 11:10 pm |
    • Don

      Ok Evan, where did god come from. God had to come from somewhere. Saying god always was means that you admit that there is no god.

      And no, I'm not arguing about words. "Nothing" is not an ontological concept. Nor does science condemn the universe always existing. You're confusing the state change which was the big bang with a creation event (Newton's 1st law thus works perfectly). Morons like you typically do that because you don't know any better.

      And yes, you presume the universe was caused AND that nothing is some sort of alternate existence to something, when it's not.

      Please get an education so that you don't continue to look like an idiot.

      April 16, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
    • PraiseTheLard

      Do you talk to yourself often?

      April 16, 2011 at 11:34 pm |
    • Steev

      @PraiseTheLard – You have to ask? Of course Even talks to himself. No one else can understand a damn thing he says.

      @Evan – I see that, despite hundreds of people trying to talk sense to you, you still cling to your lack of understanding. People have tried to explain to you what certain words mean, and you just ignore it.
      People explain to you what "theory" means and you ignore it.
      They explain that you obviously do not understand other words, that you are not making sense, that you are so confused, yet you refuse to listen and blindly go forward with your errors that have been pointed out for all the world to see over and over and over.
      You are one of the worst commentators I have ever seen. You can't even hold up your end of a conversation. You are a waste of space and air, yet I wish you could understand what you are doing wrong.
      I know it doesn't do any good to talk with you, but I keep trying.
      You are either very young or very brain-damaged or both. Not many options to pick from here. Your language suggests a definite lack in the brain department. There could be many reasons for this. But it doesn't matter.
      You have no understanding of anything to any worthwhile degree and appear to lack any motivation to better yourself.
      Sad if true. I wish I could help you, but you appear to be beyond anyone's help. Too bad your "god" does not exist. It would be your only option.

      April 17, 2011 at 12:23 am |
  9. Snaglepuss

    I can pound my fist on the table and insist that the moon is made of green cheeze. Doesn't make it so.
    That is not unlike a lot of what I read. In a scientific age, we are created to think scientifically, for a reason.
    Show me the evidence.
    (Exit....stage left).

    April 16, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
  10. Don

    Hell is something from someone's myth. It doesn't exist.

    April 16, 2011 at 4:46 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Oh really Don. Jesus can not lie. Can you say that about man (meaning women too)? I'd read up a few posts from this one. I posted end days scriptures for you to read Jesus' truth and stop believing the lies of man.

      God Bless.

      Amen.

      April 16, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
    • Don

      There is no god, child.

      April 16, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      heavensent..how do you know jesus cannot lie.. did he tell you, don't tell me it was in that book ..written by man,, whom you do not trust...

      April 16, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
    • Steev

      Whoever wrote those Pauline lies lied. Maybe your Jesus did not even exist to lie as such. But the words attributed to him are most definitely LIES.
      You worship your Bible written by men and do nothing to seek out the truth of your "god". You get nothing but chemical pleasure in your brain and think that this proves your god exists, but all it proves is that you are experiencing pleasure from the chemicals in your brain and nothing else.
      Sorry to tell you the harsh truth about your lack of real evidence, but truth is often harsh. You can scream and babble all you want and say "god did it" all over the place about everything but it does not prove a single thing other than that you are literally insane.

      April 17, 2011 at 12:08 am |
    • NL

      HeavenSent-
      Whatever 'truth' Jesus ever said died with him on the cross. All we have are faith docu.ments written by men decades after he died claiming to include his words. We have historical debate on what's said by people nowadays when we have videotape of them saying it. You can't seriously ask people to take the New Testament as historically accurate.

      April 17, 2011 at 12:27 am |
    • NL

      HeavenSent-
      Fact number 4 of the Time story "Top 10 Surprising Facts About the World's Oldest Bible" states that this version had "27,000 Corrections — but No Secret Da Vinci Code."

      http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1910141_1910142_1910130,00.html

      The Bible was a crafted thing, made by humans. Get over whatever romantic notions you may have of it's surviving unchanged since Jesus' death, because it clearly didn't, which rises enough reasonable doubt never to take it literally.

      April 17, 2011 at 12:45 am |
    • Steve (the real one)

      Steev
      Whoever wrote those Pauline lies lied. Maybe your Jesus did not even exist to lie as such. But the words attributed to him are most definitely LIES
      ---–
      If you have no proof you are spouting only opinion! Sound familiar?

      April 17, 2011 at 5:56 pm |
  11. I_get _it

    @Steve,

    Yes. PRISM does direly need peace and grace (as in graciousness and gracefulness).

    April 16, 2011 at 4:45 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      we all could use a bit more!

      April 16, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
  12. PRISM 1234

    It looks CNN done it again! Created another blog where mockers can gather to squawk... It must be an amusing thing to them.... In fact, those of CNN may be joining with them in their mockings behind the scene..... Those CNN's "Belief Blog" places have become regular dumps!
    Go ahead, have a squawking party to yourself , you morons..... make fools out of yourselves...

    @Steve ,the one who said,
    "The Bible is very clear! Both Heaven and Hell does exist! For all of you clamoring for proof, all in due time!"...

    Just let the mockers find out! They willl have loooooooong time to squawk afterwards!
    Peace and God's grace to you!

    April 16, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      Peace and God's grace to you as well Prism1234!

      April 16, 2011 at 4:39 pm |
    • Don

      Prism, jesus was very clear when, in Matt 5:22, he said that anyone who calls another a fool shall be liable to burn in hellfire.

      And you are now liable to burn in hellfire.

      April 16, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Prism1234 What gives religion a free pass to be immune from ridicule? The claims made by religions are subject to as much scrutiny as any other, the fact that the attempts to support them are weak at best and mostly non- existent is a problem you have to overcome.

      April 16, 2011 at 10:33 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      More of the usual threats from a nut-job who thinks he/she has the correct and only valid point of view.

      God appeals to me; people like you and HS are repellant.

      April 17, 2011 at 12:57 pm |
  13. Reality

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen

    April 16, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      I imagine you have proof? Could it be you are simply embellishing the thoughts of liberal "theologians?

      April 16, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
    • Snaglepuss

      Reality,
      Correct. And if they keep repeating it, (the human sacrifice), enough times, maybe it will "take" one of these times.
      (Exit....stage left).

      April 16, 2011 at 2:31 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Keep listening to man Reality, none of them backing your non-belief in Jesus' truth will save your soul. Only Jesus can save your soul. That's if you humble yourself, ask Him for forgiveness and love and follow His truth.

      Here's what happens in the end generation...

      Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

      Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

      Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

      Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

      Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.

      Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

      Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

      Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.

      Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

      Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

      Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

      Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

      Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

      Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

      Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

      Amen.

      April 16, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • Reality

      "Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[30] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [31]

      Martin Luther "found it an offensive piece of work" and John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."[32]

      April 16, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      heavensent..you listen and read to what man has written but interpret it as the word of one of the gods that humans have invented. As your beliefs are reincarnations of ancient pagan rituals ,it is not surprising that you have a lingering feeling to worship something .. whether it is the sun, moon, trees or an unseen alien being. Do you still believe that a comet is a portent of a disaster. There is no more evidence for heaven and hell as there is for Hogwarts.

      April 16, 2011 at 10:26 pm |
    • Finger Puppet

      @ HeavenSent,
      Can you say "anal retentive" ?

      April 17, 2011 at 2:16 am |
    • Steve (the real one)

      Reality
      "Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[30] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams."
      ------–
      Reality, I submit the book of Revelation is a tough one. How much more without the guidance of the Holy Spirit? Your Ingersoll quote is no surprise! He was agnostic! Your Jefferson quote was no surprise either! I know people right now (Christians and some even pastors) who avoid the book. So how much much more those that are not believers?

      April 17, 2011 at 5:53 pm |
  14. Steve (the real one)

    The Bible is very clear! Both Heaven and Hell does exist! For all of you clamoring for proof, all in due time!

    April 16, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Steve the real one...I actually have the CD heaven and hell by Vangellis this was in the bible|?

      April 16, 2011 at 11:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Nope. If you don't have any proof now, you have none at all, Stevie. As usual. All you have is belief.

      April 17, 2011 at 11:03 am |
    • Steve (the real one)

      EvolvedDNA
      Steve the real one...I actually have the CD heaven and hell by Vangellis this was in the bible|?-
      ------–
      Was it?

      April 17, 2011 at 5:43 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son
      Nope. If you don't have any proof now, you have none at all, Stevie. As usual. All you have is belief.
      -----------
      As well as you. I BELIEVE the Bible is true. You BELIEVE it is not. One of us is wrong! Pascal's wager or not Tom, one of us is wrong!

      April 17, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Well, dear, that would be you. You claim you 'know' that what you believe is true, yet you concede you have no proof, only belief. You lose.

      April 19, 2011 at 9:51 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son
      Well, dear, that would be you. You claim you 'know' that what you believe is true, yet you concede you have no proof, only belief. You lose.
      ------–
      Tom,Tom, what are you doing? A drive by blogging? You are all over the place and responding to different stories. Are you sure I lose? As I said earlier you BELIEVE the bible is incorrect and I believe it is true. One of us is wrong. Are you so sure it is me?

      April 19, 2011 at 10:00 pm |
    • Yolo

      There is a heaven and hell.What is your knowledge of heaven and hell.@Tom Tom the piper son

      April 30, 2011 at 5:42 am |
  15. yohoho

    this cnn belief section is retatded

    April 16, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
    • tom

      oh irony

      April 20, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
  16. Jcork

    There IS no hell. Just as there is no such thing as Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny. There is also no heaven.

    If you'd like to think about it this way...you are ALREADY at heaven just by being lucky enough to be alive. Whether your life sucks or not, you still are lucky enough to be alive over so much time. That is a much more magical thought than that of heaven and hell. Plus it's true, so that always helps.

    April 16, 2011 at 10:55 am |
  17. shawn

    There is no proof of it...so why obsess over something only mentioned by mystics?

    If there is a god he's not worried about our petty needs and minds...he created the universe (maybe). We are not that important.

    There is most likely no god...no quit worrying and go enjoy life...

    April 16, 2011 at 10:42 am |
  18. Nancy

    what if there is no easter bunny?

    April 16, 2011 at 9:12 am |
    • JohnR

      Don't even SAY that!!!!!

      April 16, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Nancy... very one knows there is no easter bunny..the tooth fairy however is real...i have evidence of teeth being with money under my pillow... explain that!!

      April 16, 2011 at 11:03 pm |
  19. doctore0

    What if there is no hell.. there is no IF, there is no hell, no heaven; The bible and most other magic books are like "Nigerian" emails from the past.
    Throw them in the bin, or look silly

    April 16, 2011 at 7:10 am |
  20. Muneef

    My own belief is that Hell found in;
    -Hell punishment is found in Life. (disasters).
    -Hell punishment is found in Grave.(conscience).
    -Hell punishment is found after judgment date.(All sort of punishments).

    April 16, 2011 at 6:43 am |
    • Reality

      Saving 1.5 billion lost Muslims:
      There never was and never will be any angels i.e. no Gabriel, no Islam and therefore no more koranic-driven acts of horror and terror i.e. no more Islamic-imposed hell on Earth

      Saving 2 billion lost Christians:
      There was and never will be any bodily resurrections i.e. No Easter, no Christianity

      Saving 15.5 million Orthodox followers of Judaism:
      Abraham and Moses never existed.

      Added details upon request.

      April 16, 2011 at 8:06 am |
    • EvolvedDNA

      muneef. why do you have to torment yourself with such beliefs... there is as much evidence for heaven and hell as there is for Hogwarts.

      April 16, 2011 at 10:11 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So natural disasters are "hell" and are "punishment"? How do you explain the fact that Washington DC has very few natural disasters of any kind, but Kansas has a tornado about every 3rd week?

      April 17, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
    • Muneef

      Not sure what city does to attract disasters or avoid it...! But can use another example and that JPN out the gloom she gets those crises continuously been getting earthquakes since the last tsunami they had...what were their acts to deserve that is some thing that I do not know nor can judge...

      April 17, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You moron, the only 'acts' were the fact that the islands they inhabit are located on a fault line.

      April 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm |
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