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April 25th, 2011
01:41 PM ET

Billboard battle over Judgment Day

(CNN) - We've told you about the caravan of RVs touring the country to warn people about the end of the world, which they say will begin on May 21.

Now, the American Atheists are mounting a counter-campaign.

The group has posted a billboard in Oakland, California - home to Family Radio, which is spreading the "awesome news" that Judgment Day is near - declaring that such messages are "nonsense."

"The Rapture: You KNOW it's Nonsense," the American Atheists' billboard announces. "2000 Years of 'Any Day Now.'"

The billboard - which cost $27,000, according to the group's website - invites passers-by to "Learn the Truth" at the group's "Rapture Party" on May 21-22 in Oakland.

The atheists also plan to hold parties in Houston, Texas, and Fort Lauderdale, Florida, the website says.

"This is how religion hurts people, one of the many ways religion hurts people," American Atheists President David Silverman told CNN Oakland, California, affiliate KGO.

"Our hope is that those who are not suckered in will learn from the people who are."

Read the full story at KGO's website.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Atheism • Death • End times

soundoff (2,436 Responses)
  1. Mel

    If the Pope ain't worried, I'm not.

    April 25, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
    • TheOracle8191

      If the pope reads his Bible, he won't be worried because the Bible says the nobody knows when Jesus is returning to claim his people. Jesus himself said that he doesn't know; no one knows but the Father. That's why when people give a date to the end of the world or the rapture, I just ignore them.

      April 25, 2011 at 9:14 pm |
  2. Fred

    Unfortunately, Tyler V is wrong. Therefore, you should hold off on congratulating him for his smarts.
    The Bible clearly speaks of the Rapture even though it does not use this terminology. "We which are alive and remain will not prevent those which are asleep." II Thessalonians describes how we will be caught up to be with Him "...and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
    That's straight out of the King James Version and it predates Darby by a considerable amount of time.
    Tyler V: EPIC SUPER FAIL

    April 25, 2011 at 2:59 pm |
    • Lorne

      The Bible seems to speak to a great deal, anything you want it to in fact, as long as you do not hold it to "the exact terminology..."

      April 25, 2011 at 3:07 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @Lorne- Actually, if one handles the Bible and their faith as a discipline....it can be quite precise. Though most do not do the extra study beyond just the Bible. A lot like atheists that do not go much beyond what Bill Nye tells them on tv.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
    • Bob

      *****The Bible clearly speaks of the Rapture even though it does not use this terminology.***** The swimsuit models of Sports Illustrated profess their undying love for me every day, although they do not use this terminology. (They use code words like stalking and restraining order) The Bible also clearly speaks of stoning disobedient children at the outskirts of town. And that is the terminology that is used. It also calls for death for anyone who pulls his donkey out of a ditch on the sabbath. Guess I shouldn't ever call for a tow on Sunday.

      April 25, 2011 at 4:00 pm |
    • Bob

      Odd that you would rely on the King James version for accuracy, when KJ edited the texts and re-arranged the order of the scriptures to suit his own likes and political aims. No chance for omissions or inaccuracies there, eh? Why not the Jefferson Bible? Oh yeah, he cut out the parts about the resurrection. Why not the Gutenberg Bible or the Volgate of
      St. Jerome? Do you subscribe to the Divine Right of Rule like they had in Merrie Olde Englande? Did King James have God's ear and vice versa?

      April 25, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "Odd that you would rely on the King James version for accuracy.."

      Who said that? Not I. First of all, I am not a liertalist. Second I would tell everyone to read everything from the Dead Sea Scrolls, Codex Siniactus, Codex Vaticanus...etc and develop one's belief.

      April 25, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The King James version of the Bible is the only Bible you should read. No other Bible allows you to go back to the scrolls to check accuracy of the wording being used.

      Amen.

      May 3, 2011 at 3:15 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bob, read Ezekiel 13 especially verse 20. Rapture is man made. It is NOT in the Bible.

      Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make [them] fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, [even] the souls that ye hunt to make [them] fly.

      Amen.

      May 3, 2011 at 3:18 pm |
    • Smite Me

      Too bad that "God" didn't know how to speak English... he should have known that it would be the dominant language one day.

      May 3, 2011 at 3:19 pm |
  3. simple01

    "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with the hand mill; one will be taken and the other left." "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come." (Matthew 24:36, 40 & 42)
    As we saw above, no one but the Father knows when.

    However, we do know it will take place "as lightning." Matthew 24:27 says, "For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man."

    quoted from "www.allaboutjesuschrist.org

    April 25, 2011 at 2:59 pm |
    • Christine

      That's an analogy, not a sure thing. No one knows what He will come as and now you have people freaking out about every thunderstorm that happens.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:15 pm |
  4. Jeff

    Without God, there are a few problems the athiest must deal with:

    1. There can be no objective standard of morality. Morality is all relative. I would say Hitler was absolutely evil; an athiest cannot make that statement because, without God, there is no giver of objective morality.

    2. Where did the world come from? You say the big bang, but there must have been something to cause the big bang. Right? Based on the laws oh physics, something cannot come from nothing. If we say A causes B, we have presupposed the existence of A. Matter could not just materialize out of nothing. As much as we try to explain it and reason around it, there is no way to say that nothing created something. So, there must be something that exists that is not subject to the laws of physics: God.

    As to the specific actions here, outliers do not define the mean. Just because an extreme group of Christians believe the rapture is occuring on a certain date means nothing as to Christians as a whole. Athiest pride themselves on being logical thinkers, but they are being clearly illogical with their billboard.

    April 25, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
    • Lorne

      So, because we need an objective standard of morality and science has only explained reality to -43 seconds after the big bang, we need an invisible man in the sky to make our lives have meaning?

      Strange....

      April 25, 2011 at 3:05 pm |
    • Q

      @Jeff- 1st) Take any deity and you'll see that morality is relative to their whim, e.g. Exodus 20:13 vs. 1 Samuel 15:3.

      2nd) To my knowledge, science does not posit something from nothing, but rather, an expansion of something from a singularity (which may have already/always existed or may have come about from some other purely natural process). You're simply asserting a "God of the gaps" to fill a knowledge void. This is far from a convincing argument.

      What you contend to be problems are simply the result of your failing to actually consider or investigate these "problems'...

      April 25, 2011 at 3:05 pm |
    • KD

      Where is the "LIKE" button when you need it.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:08 pm |
    • Faretheewell

      Jeff:

      Why do we need a god in order for there to be morality? Aren't most questions of morality simply answered by the proper organization of a society. That is, if murder, stealing etc were to be understood as acceptable, then we would all be subject to such crimes. However, by establishing societal standards of behavior (morality) we have established a reasoned culture of self-interest in which to live.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
    • Alverant

      How can your god's morality be objective when he himself breaks it? If you were to read your bible, you would know that god called for people who work on the Sabbath to be put to death. Is that moral? If not, does it mean our morality is better than your god's or we are immoral for not throwing stones at those who work on Sundays?

      April 25, 2011 at 3:11 pm |
    • Faretheewell

      In question 2, you have created an unanswerable paradox. Where did god come from. Something can't come from nothing as you state yourself.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
    • Bob

      1. What is the objective standard of religious morality? Owning slaves? Stoning adulterers and disobedient children? White Tail Deer, by their behavior to each other and according to your standard, are more moral than humans.

      2. The laws of which branch of physics? The physics of large bodies, small particles, light, etc. are different. Einstein spent the second half of his life trying to reconcile the Theory of Relativity (large body physics) with Quantum Physics (small particle physics) Look up singularities, how helium changes to other elements, and while your at it, let me know who created your god, because if nothing can come from nothing, if A creates B presupposes A, if a god created the world, then subject to the laws of physics or not, where did your god come from?

      April 25, 2011 at 3:19 pm |
    • Jeff

      1. Yes, it is. It is still an objective standard. Just as with my kids, my rules and standard of discipline may change based on their needs. Without the deity, it is relative to our whims. No one should be condemned for anything they do, and life has no intrinsic value.

      2. Your belief that matter was never created, it just was, is the only alternative to God. But doesn't this hypothesis invovle just as much speculation as does the belief that God created all? And isn't your view equally unprovable from a scientific standpoint? So beyond the scientific, your view still has the philosphical and the existential issues to deal with. Do you ever feel guilty for a thought you have had or action you've taken? Why do you suppose that is if there is no measure of morality? Do you ever feel like something is missing. The existential is overwhelming if we are honest with ourselves.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:19 pm |
    • Jeff

      My response was to Q by the way.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
    • BostonBill

      So is physics a religion? Some say that it is. Could you not then use physics as a way to back track to understand the origin of matter? I've need to stop smoking that stuff or smoke more of it.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
    • Jeff

      Faretheewell:

      As to your comment on social morality, I believe that is what you have without a God. The problem I see is that you do not have the ability to say the standards another society has chosen is wrong; there is no "human decency." There are atrocious things that happen around the world, that may be considered normal or customary to that culture or dictator. I would like to say that there are certain things, such as genocide or crimes against children, that are absolutely wrong. If you take the societal view of morality, we can only say they are wrong relative to our society.

      As to the unanswearable paradox point, the answer would be that God is not subject to the laws of physics. The paradox only exists if you assume all things are working within the laws of phsyics.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • Jeff

      Bob –

      1. Matthew chapter 22:37-40; and chapters 5-7.

      2. I don't know. I agree that it is equally unprovable. Since science cannot take us all the way home, we have to fill the void with philosophy and our existential questions.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      'There can be no objective standard of morality. Morality is all relative. I would say Hitler was absolutely evil; an athiest cannot make that statement because, without God, there is no giver of objective morality.'
      Your first mistake is to claim that there is no morality without god.

      'Without the deity, it is relative to our whims'
      Correct, that is right. Which is why in the past it was acceptable to own slaves, and in fact people used the bible as justification to this.

      'So, there must be something that exists that is not subject to the laws of physics: God.'
      Second logical error. Because we cannot explain fully NOW does not mean we fall back on a magic being that apparently has always existed and came from nowhere.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "science has only explained reality to -43 seconds after the big bang"

      Not quite...there is too much carbon in the universe for what science can attribute to the Big Bang.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
    • griz5106

      Jeff, following your logic, who then created the creator?

      April 25, 2011 at 4:35 pm |
    • Q

      @Jeff – 1st) Morality cannot be dependent on whim and one which directly contradicts itself while being anything remotely "objective", rather it is "subjective" to the capricious wishes of the deity, i.e. morality is relative whether or not you insist it ultimately originates with a deity (e.g. see Euthyphro's dilemma).

      2) Correct, there is enough wiggle room in "first cause" infinite regress to render the arguments useless for either view. There is no evidence for a first cause creator and there is no evidence against this proposition. However and again, you claim a false dichotomy in God as the only alternative when there are in fact an infinitie range of possibilities with purely material origins. That you slid back into discussions of morality only betrays that you fail to find meaning in life in the absence of inserting some supernatural teleological a-ssumption. Are you really denying all of the work indicating the flexibility of man's moral nature, it's physical origins in the brain, it's malleability from any number of physical manipulations (e.g. drugs, stress, etc), it's correlation to culture, etc, etc,? You dismiss this body of knowledge out of hand only to offer unsupported a-ssertions based in flawed logic and in hopes of preserving your belief of being special in the eyes of your deity of choice (no doubt spurred on by fear of death and vain hope of immortality)?

      What if life has no inherent purpose, but rather the purpose we give to it? What if there was no God planting tiny seeds of morality in our hearts? These questions really only matter if you lack the ability to provide meaning in your own life and cannot empathize enough with your fellow human beings to understand their pain very well could be your pain...

      April 25, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Jeff

      1. There can be no objective standard of morality. Morality is all relative. I would say Hitler was absolutely evil; an athiest cannot make that statement because, without God, there is no giver of objective morality.

      Interesting. I hadn't thought of that. Does god command these morals because they are good, or are the morals good because god commands them?

      Curious in Arizona

      April 25, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Q

      Well said. I am impressed. And I am not easily so.

      Cheers!

      April 25, 2011 at 5:43 pm |
    • Q

      @DJ – Thank you. Always a pleasure to read your thoughtful and well-reasoned posts here!

      April 25, 2011 at 6:37 pm |
    • Jeff

      Q – I would say that morality is objective as to humankind; not necessarily to God. For example, a parent may set down rules for a child. Children are immature and they need rules to keep them in line and to ensure they develop into responsible adults. The rules of the parent will evolve as the discipline and guidance needs of the child evolve. The standard set by the parent is still objective.

      I am not dismissing all those things you listed. I would say there is certainly morality even without a God; I just think it would be constantly changing. One persons wrong could easily be another's right. One persons detestable could be another person's norm. Which it seems to me is exactly what you are saying is the result with a God; so, I think we agree: if there is no God, there is morality, it is just that all morality is self-imposed and self-generated based on a number of factors. You ask what If there is no purpose and no creator; and it is a great question. To be clear, I don't think the consequences of no purpose is justificiation for the existence of God, but since you asked the question, I think it would seem like there is a great deal of suffering in the world for nothing. A vast majority of the world's population is in poverty, and Americans who live better than 95% of the world are still, on the whole, empty and searching for something to fill a void they can feel they have.

      David – I would say that the morals are good because God commands them. Ravi Zacharias tackles these philosophy-type questions much more brilliantly than I: http://www.rzim.org/resources/watch.aspx

      John Lennox does a wonderful job tackling the scientific: http://www.johnlennox.org/

      April 25, 2011 at 6:41 pm |
    • Q

      @Jeff – With respect, perhaps we're circling around a definition of "objective". In your example, you reference parents setting rules which do change. I believe you are describing the rules as "objective" from the perspective of the children, i.e. simply stated, the children didn't make the rules but are obliged to follow them. If this was your intent, then I agree with respect to this very restricted interaction. However, I think you would agree that from the perspective of other parents and other children, the rules set by the parents of your example are "subjective", reflecting only their desired behavioral boundaries and not some universal standard set.

      Generally, the comparison would be "relative" vs "absolute" morality. In the example you provide and your response to Euthyphro's dilemma, in both cases you are describing morality as "relative", i.e. relative to the rules of the other parents and relative to the changing mind of God. I certainly agree with both of these. However, I would again (assuming you are Christian) reference Exodus 20:13 and 1 Samuel 15:3 in which directly contradictory demands are made and murder is both immoral and moral.

      The problem of suffering (or the "problem of evil") is one that I find generally used as an argument against most theistic concepts of God (e.g. "Epicurean Paradox"). I guess I'm simply more comfortable in suffering with no "meaning" rather than unnecessary capricious suffering as the result of some divine (intermittently interventionist) plan. For myself, I have to judge outcomes in the absence of knowledge of motivations/intent, the same way I would convict a murderer claiming they were motivated by divine revelation intending to prevent some future evil. Regardless, I would offer that purpose is ever in the eye of the beholder and like morality, is ever a subjective attribute.

      April 25, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
    • Rogue

      @Q
      @David Johnson
      You guys are amazing. I sort of wish you wouldn't bother with Jeff, as he has lost every argument in his life I think. The guy is constantly wrong and never seems to learn.
      I, on the other hand, have enjoyed reading your posts this day. Very intelligent and articulate. Well done and bravo!
      But I see little need to add my voice. You guys say it all so well.
      Thanks for that.

      April 25, 2011 at 9:24 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "(or the "problem of evil") "

      In some manner there is no such thing as the problem of evil in relation to God. In this "problem" it is assumed that God is affected by good and evil. As if good and evil were independant of God. These concepts are not independant if one looks to the Old Testament. It says that God formed the good and created evil. They are thus subjegated to God and not the other way around.

      April 25, 2011 at 9:28 pm |
    • Tohrm

      @Lycidas
      So you say your god is evil and does evil? No wonder your religion is insane. You can't even prove your god is good. Good luck with the brain thing.

      April 25, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
    • Q

      @Lycidas – To my knowledge, that is the "problem" in a nutshell, i.e. God knowingly/actively created evil, suffering, etc. The "problem" when rationalized/extrapolated by theodicy only tends to confound many classic attributes ascribed to a given deity (e.g. omnipotence, omniscience, etc) but I believe is principally targeting claims of perfect benevolence/beneficence. If I gave a toddler a stuffed animal to play with, this might be described as beneficent, but what can be said if I gave the toddler both the stuffed toy and a shiny strip of razor wire coated with poison to choose from?

      April 26, 2011 at 12:09 am |
    • Lycidas

      @Tohrm- "So you say your god is evil and does evil?"

      I understand this whole reading and comprehending is a bit much for you but plz try it. No, God is not evil because as I stated before...God is not subjegated to those concepts. Can God do evil? From our perspective? Yes ,but we are rather finite in our understanding of things yes?

      April 26, 2011 at 6:11 am |
    • Lycidas

      @Q- but to continue your thought, we are rather like children and don't know what is really is good or bad for us. Many a child that doesn't get their cookie might call a parent or adult bad.

      Life's tough, no one ever said otherwise and it's a price we pay for a free will existence.

      April 26, 2011 at 6:14 am |
    • Q

      @Lycidas – Well, again, I think we're barking up similar trees, though I would contend one cannot have free will with an omniscient deity. Your statement about children not knowing what's good for us is precisely the context I intended. If we are the children and God is the parent and we are understood not to know what's good for us, then is it beneficent/benevolent to directly place suffering/harm in our midst knowing many will, by choice or by accident, fall victim. Again, I would ask how you might describe the parent that provides both the stuffed toy animal AND the poison-laced razor wire to the toddler?

      April 26, 2011 at 3:07 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "I would ask how you might describe the parent that provides both the stuffed toy animal AND the poison-laced razor wire to the toddler?"

      The problem with this is you are ignoring the aspect of free will within the finite parent. It's not a perfect analogy. A human parent is neither all knowing or all seeing but you are wanting to use such a parent as a symbol of God. Not quite fair,

      Another aspect is that we are creatures designed to grow. We are not to stay children forever. Even the Bible implies that we are to grow from spiritual children to adults.

      April 26, 2011 at 8:38 pm |
  5. ClarasBeau

    I think that whenever any organized religion feels it is their duty to promote fear and trepidation throughout the land (a form of terrorism, no?), then it is the responsibility of those with common sense to OPENLY debunk their fanatical rants... So THERE!

    April 25, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
  6. secondhalf

    If a small percentage of atheist made a radical unfounded claim, it would be unfair to assign that claim to all atheist. And it is unfair for this group to characterize the overwhelming number of Christians who do not subscribe to this date, and believe it is not for us know when Jesus will return.

    April 25, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
    • ummmmm

      Atheists only make one claim: there is no god. That's all they need to claim.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
    • Quag

      Correction if I may. Atheists make no claims. We reject god claims for which there isn't sufficient evidence.

      April 26, 2011 at 9:49 am |
  7. Milton

    The problem with a rapture mentality is the earth then becomes a weigh-station, a temporary place to hang out until god shows up. This means you are off the hook if you trash the planet. This is but one real problem with a rapture belief system. When there is a "better place" than here, you can bide your time. If this is all there is, then we all might just stop crapping where we eat and sleep, and perhaps stop treating each other quite so poorly.

    April 25, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
    • jj

      Way station

      April 25, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Sadly I don't see too many atheists hitting the streets and saving this only world we got.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
    • Rogue

      Lycidas – That is not a factual statement. You could not possibly know who is an atheist "out there" doing things to "save" the world. It could very well be that there is a larger percentage of atheists doing things compared to religious believers.
      .
      And what sort of silly thing do you mean when you talk of "saving the world"? Are we all supposed to join Greenpeace or something? What the hell are you talking about?
      You shouldn't talk out of your ass. It makes everything you say sound like a brain fart.

      April 25, 2011 at 9:07 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "You could not possibly know who is an atheist "out there" doing things to "save" the world."

      No more than you or anyone out there would know if a Christian is doing something bad out there 😉

      Thank you for assisting me in showing how dumb some atheists are for implying that religion is inherently bad.

      April 25, 2011 at 9:24 pm |
    • Scott

      "No more than you or anyone out there would know if a Christian is doing something bad out there"

      You just have to look at your communities to find your answer. As long as there are children left in orphanages, homeless begging on the streets then Christians are doing something bad and not following the teachings of Jesus. If the numbers of Christians in the US is as large as many claim then there shouldn't be any of this happening. It's because Christians are to lazy to be real in following what is ask of them in their "book." Look at you sitting on your butt replying to everyone instead of being pro-active in your community.

      April 26, 2011 at 8:38 am |
    • Lycidas

      Odd, you make wide sweeping accusations upon Christians. Tell me, are non-Christians exempted from doing good? Are you not also your brother's keeper? Are Christians responsible for all the good in the world and must bear the brunt of all the evil?

      April 26, 2011 at 8:42 am |
    • Lycidas

      Two more thoughts for you, a little theology of sorts. I believe in what Matt. says, "Judge not unless you wish to be judged." Paraphrssing that of course.

      The other is that when Jesus told the lame to walk, they had to get up. When the poor or sick was there, they had to answer the call to come. Being "good" is a two way street of sorts in what you are talking about. There must be some level of want from those that need help before one can be of help to them.

      April 26, 2011 at 8:45 am |
    • Scott

      "Are Christians responsible for all the good in the world and must bear the brunt of all the evil?"

      Interesting that you think children in need of a home and homelessness are in the category of evil. Your bible states God made you the keeper of this earth so yes Christians have to take responsibility. Just like Jesus stated if a man asks you for your tunic and you have a second one give it to him, then give him your coat. I am paraphrasing... So your Jesus would expect you too.

      April 26, 2011 at 8:47 am |
    • Lycidas

      "Your bible states God made you the keeper of this earth so yes Christians have to take responsibility."

      Not anywhere I've seen.

      As for your reference, nice....but you missed a major point. The man in need asked first. Again, you will see that much of the "good" you imply Christians must go out an do usually is preceeded by someone asking or being willing to recieve help.

      April 26, 2011 at 8:52 am |
    • Scott

      "ou will see that much of the "good" you imply Christians must go out an do usually is preceeded by someone asking or being willing to recieve help."

      Typical Christian twisting words to get out of responsibility of what is written in your book. You didn't read what I wrote. I wrote homeless begging... notice the word begging. They are asking for help. What is even more pathetic is you expect a small child to know to ask for help in getting a loving home.

      Come on now twist it around again.

      Oh, "The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men."

      So since your God gave you the earth it's ok if you sit on your butt and watch it go to crap. I am sure God would say differently since you are the shepards of this world.

      April 26, 2011 at 9:01 am |
    • Lycidas

      Calm down Scott....I saw what you wrote but my above comment was directed toward another comment of yours. Not all of them at once. And yes, there are those that beg. Christians (and I would hope) all ppl should help them if possible. I see nothing evil in the fact that not all ppl can be helped. Not all ppl, Christian or just any human, are good you know.

      "So since your God gave you the earth it's ok if you sit on your butt and watch it go to crap. "

      Again, I know of nowhere in the Bible/Torah where we were given the Earth. I might also point out that usually when the term shepherd is used in the NT, it isn't a term that is inclusive of all followers of Christ.

      "Typical Christian twisting words to get out of responsibility of what is written in your book."

      Actually....I twisted nothing. Unlike the typical non-believer that at best has an amateurish approach to the text...I try to actually understand what the book says. And before you go down a road filled with fallacies, I am not a literalist.

      April 26, 2011 at 9:15 am |
    • Scott

      "I see nothing evil in the fact that not all ppl can be helped. Not all ppl, Christian or just any human, are good you know."

      Ok now that is funny since most Christians would say their god can help A LL people. It's nice to see you don't have such great faith in your God.

      April 26, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • Lycidas

      God can help ALL ppl, but the question would be: why would God do that? Is it for the best? Job chapters 38,39,40 &41 have some interesting thoughts on these discussions.

      April 26, 2011 at 10:46 am |
    • Scott

      Your comparing animals to humans, nice touch. Pathetic using quotes of a book instead of real thought.

      April 26, 2011 at 11:24 am |
    • Lycidas

      "Your comparing animals to humans, nice touch. Pathetic using quotes of a book instead of real thought."

      ??? I will assume you are referring to something other than the immediate message I sent.

      Plz note, I did not give you a single quote. I merely referenced a few chapters for you to check out that might, or might not, add to your knowledge. But hey...I can understand why books scare you. Wouldn't want you to learn anything now would we? 😉

      April 26, 2011 at 11:28 am |
  8. CH

    Deuteronomy 18:22 says "When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him."

    In other words, according to Scripture if these "predictions" don't come true, it only proves that the "prophet" who spoke them was not of the Lord. It only proves that a certain person, or group of people, were false—i.e., Pat Robertson and his ilk. It in no way proves true, orthodox Christianity to be false.

    April 25, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
    • Watch It

      That's a great way for an organization to scapegoat someone and then continue on with business as usual.

      April 25, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
  9. youaredumb

    you people are stupid. Humans are no more than another species that will live, evolve, and eventually be wiped off this earth by the planet. focus on surviving instead of reading billboards..you wont be alive for your "rapture" if you wrap your Lexus around a telephone pole while staring up at a sign...idiots.

    April 25, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
    • Ed

      @youaredumb, the way you wrote that impliease your not human so were you from

      April 25, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
  10. Blake Hanson

    I wonder how much the atheists have to spend, sounds like these events are trying to general more capital. How long till the ad's hit network tv?

    April 25, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
  11. Tyler V

    Well besides the fact that the "rapture" is a Johnny-come-lately on the Christian theological scene, emerging in the theology of John Nelson Darby in the 19th century and the advent of Dispensationalism and didnt even gain wide spread acceptance in American Evangelicalism until the publication of Scofield's study notes in the early 20th century. In fact the overwhelming majority of Christians throughout history (and the world today) DONT believe in the rapture even thuogh they believe in the 2nd coming. So to talk about the rapture as if it is something universal to most Christians is just demonstrably wrong.

    April 25, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
    • Lorne

      Dig the mad brain on Tyler V!

      April 25, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
    • Watch It

      Careful now....

      Zealots don't like it when you actually do some research and point out those troublesome facts.

      April 25, 2011 at 5:10 pm |
  12. Tamika

    Since I am a believer in Jesus name and I will agree to disagree with the atheist...If you dont wanna believe then thats your choice good for you...But for me and my household we will serve God...It is a spiritual battle going on and weather you believe it or not you can also feel it in your spirit...I know that no one know that day or the hour...but God has been giving us sons and wonders...yes the religion of today has been ridiculed and mocked and if you can sleep at night and believe there is no God..then I thats your choice...God gives us free will...He will not force Himself on anyone...you have to receive pray that the Holy Spirit even will think about falling on you...it is a spirtual blindness without the Holy Spirit thats why you cant see and it does not matter to you...but just to say this anyway...what if you are wrong and God is real...what if I am wrong and there is no God...thats just one gamble in life I want take...because I am not a gambler

    April 25, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
    • Lorne

      There is a difference between following a shepard and being a sheep.

      April 25, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
    • Colin

      So, Tamika, do you apply the same "I'm not a gambler" logic to Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and all the other beliefs?

      April 25, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
    • Maybe

      Tamika,
      "what if you are wrong and God is real."

      What if you are wrong and the real God is Allah?... or Ra, or Zeus, or Osiris, or any of the other tens of thousands of gods dreamed up by man? Most of them are real jealous and horridly vengeful if you didn't choose them.

      April 25, 2011 at 2:55 pm |
    • BostonBill

      I'm not a believer. I think we can still be respectful of others beliefs. It's never been "God" that has interfered with my free will. It's been religious zealots that have condemned me to hell. I don't subscribe to a religion. I do try to be charitable. I try to be compassionate. I try to look at all sides of a situation. I do screw up,but I try. Most of the people I know don't subscribe to a specific dogma. But,quite honestly they live a life that is more full of understanding,kindness and compassion than many of those who claim to be Christians (as in following the teachings of Jesus). They can quote chapter and verse and they can thump the old Good Book but they have no investment in there fellow human beings. I do know many "Christians" who do try to walk the walk,but they're usually pretty quite about there religion. Just an observation.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:09 pm |
    • Aezel

      I always enjoy the religious loon posts......they constantly employ seguay dots.......so they can link together........their incoherent and unrelated...........religious ramblings and propaganda............without employing proper grammar or sentence structure.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @Tamika- Thank you for putting up what you believe. You did it in a polite manner that should have been offensive to no one but those whose goal is to be offended by anything religious.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Tamika
      You said: "It is a spiritual battle going on and weather you believe it or not you can also feel it in your spirit...I know that no one know that day or the hour...but God has been giving us sons and wonders..."

      Every generation, including Jesus', has believed god has given them signs and wonders. What signs and wonders do you see?

      You said: "God gives us free will..."

      Christians believe their god is All Knowing (Omniscient). If this is true, if the future can be known, then free will does not exist. Everything is predetermined. My being saved or damned would be known to god, even before I was born.

      If god has a plan for each of us, and schedules our days, there is no free will. Everything come about, according to god's plan.

      If the prophecies in the bible are real and are to come true, then all the events and people's actions leading up to the fulfillment of these prophecies must be predetermined. Everything must be set in stone.

      God's free will of accepting Him, is a lot like the Godfather's offer that you can't refuse. I am not making a free choice, with a gun to my head.

      You said: "what if you are wrong and God is real...what if I am wrong and there is no God...thats just one gamble in life I want take...because I am not a gambler"

      Not a gambler, you say? There is no sure thing in Pascal's Wager. Are you sure you picked the right god? What if the one true god is the Muslim god? You will be invited to a very large barbecue.

      If there are no gods, and no afterlife, then that makes this life your one and only. You will have wasted precious time, living a lie.

      Cheers!

      April 25, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "If this is true, if the future can be known, then free will does not exist. Everything is predetermined."

      Incorrect, just because one would know the course of history does not mean those that act within history do not act upon their own will.

      Use a DVD of a family function as an example. You might be watching it and already know what is going to happen. But the ppl on the DVD are acting out within their own will. The knowledge of what is going to happen does not take away from the freedom of action they had.

      April 25, 2011 at 6:53 pm |
    • Russell

      I hate re-runs they are so boring! If you know what is going to happen it takes the fun out of it! Plus then God is playing with people since he could prevent accidents but doesn't.

      April 25, 2011 at 6:55 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "Plus then God is playing with people since he could prevent accidents but doesn't."

      It wouldn't be a rerun for you now would it?

      How is letting ppl form their own destiny "playing"?

      April 25, 2011 at 8:25 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Yes, David, Jesus does know about you folks that are blinded by your big egos. He purposely tells us to be humble to learn His truth. You fools aren't humble and are written in this scripture (as well as many more) ...

      The way of the fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice.

      Proverbs 12:15

      Amen.

      May 3, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
  13. Ed

    Ithinks its great they are excersising the freedom of expression. The method seems evangelic of them though. We are write come hang with us so we ca tell why. Sounds fimilar to me

    April 25, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
    • Q

      @Ed – Agreed. Still, we're social animals and often desire some network of friendly support (birds of a feather and all that...). "Fellowship" is an inherently human desire and no doubt atheists (particularly closet atheists) can benefit from the knowledge that they are not alone and not universally-despised (just mostly despised).

      April 25, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
  14. Lycidas

    People are welcome to be dumb like those that put this billboard up. All they are doing is preaching to the faithful by putting it up because only other atheists will nod their head in approval. Those of a faith will merely ignore it or feel even more confident in their belief by it.

    My point is, if they want to have a constructive dialogue in what they believe, there are better ways of doing it than this.

    April 25, 2011 at 2:32 pm |
    • Jen

      Um, such as?

      April 25, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Oh I don't know...how about inviting ppl to learn their atheistic point of view without insulting other ppl's faith outright.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:25 pm |
    • rofl

      Yeah....

      Let me know how that getting the devout evangelicals to attend an atheist get together works out for you.

      April 25, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Why wouldn't it? I am a devout Christian and would have no problem in going.

      April 25, 2011 at 6:49 pm |
  15. CW

    Okay,

    I can say that giving an exact date is total hogwash. It states in the Bible that our Lord will come when we least expect and that no one not even the angels in heaven know when the Lord will come back for the rapture.

    As far as the message of the rapture coming...it will come make no mistake but none of us will know when. I hope and pray that there will be many ears and eyes opened to the truth that God wrote in the Bible before he makes his return to make his final judgement on us all.

    April 25, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
    • Colin

      Now CJ, THAT is what I call a religious prophecy – va-gue, uncertain, immuned to disproof, and delivered with the total confidence of a man who knows he can't possible be proved wrong.

      Where they made their mistake was they actually made their claim something we will be able to check. At some level, you have to admire the poor simpletons' honesty. Actually subjecting one's beliefs to independent verification is more than most religious people do.

      April 25, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • WhoWroteWhat

      God didn't write the bible....

      April 25, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
    • StimFar

      So by raising awareness and expectation, these people (and anyone else) is guaranteeing he will never return.

      April 25, 2011 at 2:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      WhoWroteWhat, Holy men divinely inspired by God wrote the Bible. God is the author.

      For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

      John 3:16

      Amen.

      April 25, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
    • Alverant

      HeavenSent, and how do you know man didn't write John 3:16 to keep people from doubting their fiction?

      April 25, 2011 at 3:07 pm |
    • Spud J Dog

      Aha, finally proof that god wrote the bible.

      poor fool religion is a psychosis

      April 25, 2011 at 3:08 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      'Holy men divinely inspired by God wrote the Bible'
      And you base this on what exactly?

      April 25, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @HeavenSent

      You said: "WhoWroteWhat, Holy men divinely inspired by God wrote the Bible. God is the author."

      If there is a god, I think you do Him an injustice by claiming He wrote the bible. God is reportedly, perfect. The bible is far from it.

      Cheers!

      April 25, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
    • QS

      I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the billboard in general – it's not a billboard saying that a certain group is predicting, yet again, the date that Jesus will 'come back'...this is a billboard by an Atheist group advertising that they will be having a "truth about the rapture" party on May 21-22.

      How so many people jumped to the conclusion that the billboard was indicating that somebody was making another prediction, I have no clue.

      April 25, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
    • Jesus

      "God" never wrote the Bible. Read about the First Council of Nicea. That was the true start of what you refer to as the Bible. MEN WROTE IT. OLD MEN WITH AGENDAS.

      April 25, 2011 at 8:51 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "MEN WROTE IT. OLD MEN WITH AGENDAS."

      You write as if those agendas were bad. Evidence?

      April 25, 2011 at 9:21 pm |
    • NL

      Lycidas-
      "You write as if those agendas were bad. Evidence?"
      Define what a 'good' agenda might happen to be however you wish, the point is that the books that made up the Bible were selected with a specific idea of who Jesus was in mind by men living hundreds of years after he died based on Church tradition. All other books with conflicting ideas were rejected, possibly because they challenged the authority of these bishops more than anything else. So, who is to say then that the actual truth about Jesus wasn't thrown away in the bath water?

      April 26, 2011 at 8:11 am |
    • Lycidas

      @NL- I would assume the experts in their field of theology at the time. They examined the available texts and weighed what was right vs what was wrong. As with any study, they eliminated that which wasn't true and kept that which was. No different than scientists.

      April 26, 2011 at 8:22 am |
    • Scott

      "I would assume the experts in their field of theology at the time."

      That's right, which is why context becomes so important when reading it, and some of it is not relevant today. ie...the gay issue.

      April 26, 2011 at 8:30 am |
    • Lycidas

      I agree that one should read the Bible (or any ancient text) with the context of the timeframe and world in which it was made. But, I would be wary to write off certain aspects of such texts just because they do not adhere to some ppl's current sense of right and wrong.

      April 26, 2011 at 8:36 am |
    • Donnie

      " Lycidas, @NL- I would assume the experts in their field of theology at the time. They examined the available texts and weighed what was right vs what was wrong. As with any study, they eliminated that which wasn't true and kept that which was. No different than scientists."

      Wouldn't it make sense to to take ALL the experts in the field of theology TODAY, have them examine the available texts and weigh in on what is right vs what is wrong. Imagine how much better the bible would be if we reassembled it using what we know now!

      April 26, 2011 at 7:18 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @Donnie- I don't think there has ever been a gathering of theologists in the Protestant realm ever. The Catholics have had them off an on to clarify certain positions.

      April 26, 2011 at 8:33 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Alverant, if men wrote the Bible just to control the masses, don't you think they'd fluff up the outcome how they were viewed?

      Amen.

      April 28, 2011 at 1:04 am |
    • HeavenSent

      David Johnson, how many times do Christians have to explain this truth of Jesus' to you. Anyone that believes the Bible to be flawed or has imperfections are flawed and imperfect. You believe the Bible is flawed, it is your flaws that you are viewing and are complaining about. You get all upset about many scriptures in the Bible. Christians don't. Why? Because we know those types of evil are in the world and we transcend being caught up in them. You however are reading about yourself and you don't like that your sins are being exposed. Rant and rave all you want. The only way you can help yourself and not go down that evil road is to repent. Ask Jesus for forgiveness and sin no more.

      Amen.

      May 3, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
  16. SPHeroid

    So I got 4 weeks to max out all my credit cards....

    Time to get busy....

    April 25, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
    • Jesus

      I will not come in May. I died 2000 years ago, decomposed, and will never come again.

      April 25, 2011 at 8:47 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      Jesus
      I will not come in May. I died 2000 years ago, decomposed, and will never come again.
      ----–
      Yet you sit behind a computer and type away! Explain that!

      April 26, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
  17. Matthew

    I doin't know why they didn't simply wait until the 22nd to put up billboards that say, "I told you so! Neener neener neener!"
    😛

    April 25, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
    • God

      This.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:05 pm |
    • Kay C

      LOL I agree

      April 25, 2011 at 3:07 pm |
    • Ania

      I dont call myself an ATHIEST, i just decided not to follow any religion and to raise my family on values that are important to us, like love, respect, compassion not cuz of religious reason but cuz of humane reasons. We respect all races, colors, nationalisties etc. The point is, this world would be a better place if religion didnt exist. If we lived life and respected life just for what it is LIFE. There is so many religions that it really has to make you think if any of this preaching is real. Being raised as a catholic i noticed many things i didnt like about religion, the biggest was on how ignorant the religious was towards other that were not like them. To me the church suppose to welcome anyone, but they didnt. This billboard wont change anything, just like religion wont go away. Maby one day we can live in a place where we appricaite life for wht it is and respect each other and live in peace. Until then this battle wont end.

      And "pguru79" you are a perfect example on why i have decided not to follow religion, cuz of ppl like you. I know for a fact that Athiests are more understanding and more open to religious ppl then religious ppl to athiests. Athiest dont really go around telling you your an Ass*&^%. You choose to believe in a man that lives in a sky that noone has ever spoken to or saw, some of us dont.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
    • Bill

      "the biggest was on how ignorant the religious was towards other that were not like them"

      This is true of every group towards every other group "not like them". Seriously. Cultural, class, educational, racial, country, regional, favorite hobbies, you name it!

      April 25, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bill, I hope you realized you just included yourself.

      Amen.

      May 3, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
  18. Mark

    Read about Mr. Camping (person behind family radio) from someone who's known him a long time and also happens to hold a Ph.D. from Stanford. Dr. Godfrey knows orthodox Christian theology and he exposes the flaws in Camping's teachings/interpretations.

    http://wscal.edu/blog/entry/the-end-of-the-world-according-to-harold-camping-part-1

    April 25, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
    • Alan

      I don't need a Phd to expose Campings flaws.... basic critical thinking skills will do.

      April 25, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Mark, when are you going to learn that Ph.D. means PILED HIGHER AND DEEPER. You sure learned and believe a lot of dung.

      Amen.

      May 3, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
  19. David Johnson

    Every generation, including Jesus', have believed the Second Coming would happen in their lifetime. Jesus actually predicted He would be back in the 1st Century. Jesus was wrong to. How does that go again...Lunatic, Liar or Lord? Hmm...

    The supernatural does not exist. That leaves only the natural. We need to worry about pandemics, wars, asteroids, fouling our own nest and overpopulation.

    This is another reason religion is bad for man. It allows us to believe, that we are being taken care of by an invisible parent, who will shoo away the bad things. If you look at history, there is no evidence that this will happen.

    Cheers!

    April 25, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Hope is a bad thing...yep, who needs it right?

      Invisible parent? Heck, he got the govt to take care of us. Who needs God when one has Obama.

      April 25, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
    • Nick

      Actually, Jesus' reference to his return was the 40 days that he appeared to his disciples and others after his resurrection; therefore he wasn't wrong. Also, its worth noting that this is a fraction of a percentage of people who actually think this will happen on a certain date. Jesus said himself no one will know the time but the Father, not even he himself (referring to his humanity while on earth)

      April 25, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
    • Gerry

      @ Lycidas

      Hope is never a bad thing but creating organizations that exploit hope to recruit the desperate and naive and pinch whatever money they can out of them is pretty bad. And why the hell did you inject Obama into this conversation?

      April 25, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
    • lolumad

      come on now, obama is not a nanny president. If you want to see a real nanny state take alook at Australia or the UK.

      What nanny state things has obama done? Nothing. Most everything, like stoplight cameras, is your local municipalities fault.

      April 25, 2011 at 2:59 pm |
    • KD

      I’m a firm believer in Jesus. Nick cleared up one issues already. Another is that the Atheist just may be right regarding the dates predicted by this group being wrong. Why, because the bible clearly says in Matthew 24:36 that no one knows the day and hour.

      God is real, Jesus is real... If you don't believe now I pray for your soul that you do later.

      It’s funny how people are quick to believe all that is told in history books and believe in Ghosts and Aliens but find it foolish to believe in God…

      April 25, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
    • username

      The obvious difference being that Mr. Obama can be held accountable (in this life, by his fellow man) for problems he might cause, wars he might start and lives he might ruin. The imaginary man in the sky cannot.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
    • Epidi

      Perhaps he meant he was being reincarnated and everybody got it wrong, lol.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:02 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @Gerry- "but creating organizations that exploit hope"

      So if a person just had a belief but did not belong to an "organization", you would have no problem with them or their belief?

      I just mentioned Obama because I knew it would bug someone.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
    • Gr8isHE

      I do not agree with those who are trying to predict when the end of time will come because Jesus said no one knows the day or the hour, not even him. However, I do know that it is coming because I believe the bible is the true word of God and that is what Jesus told the disciples with his own mouth. What is happening now is proof – he prophesied that followers of Christ would be persecuted for believing "such idiocy" (not his exact words but he said we/believers would be hated because of him) and that many would try to predict a time (these are false prophets) and unfortunately many will be deceived and turn away from the faith ...but he also encouraged us that even when these things happen the end still will not come right away, but it will come. Our days aren't measured as his days are measured, soon to him is not soon to us. We are to always live in a ready state and stand firm in the faith while also sharing the gospel with others so you can also live forever with Christ. – Be blessed

      April 25, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
    • Spencer

      "Hope is never a bad thing but creating organizations that exploit hope to recruit the desperate and naive and pinch whatever money they can out of them is pretty bad."

      I know the Lottery $ucks – the chances of winning is 1 in a million! OH and Las Vegas that place $ucks too!

      April 25, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • Matthew

      Can you tell me where in the bible it says that he predicted it he would return in the 1st Century?

      April 25, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Nick
      You said: "Actually, Jesus' reference to his return was the 40 days that he appeared to his disciples and others after his resurrection; therefore he wasn't wrong. Also, its worth noting that this is a fraction of a percentage of people who actually think this will happen on a certain date. Jesus said himself no one will know the time but the Father, not even he himself (referring to his humanity while on earth)"

      I understand your trying to spin this obvious OOoopsie. It is the Evangelical way! But, Jesus said what He said. It is what it is.

      If your spin was true, we would be talking the 3rd coming of Christ. LOL. No one saw Jesus coming in the clouds. etc. Your argument is flummery.

      Cheers!

      Let's look at what Jesus said:

      Jesus Speaking:
      Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” – Matthew 24:34
      Jesus states that all the signs marking the end of the world in Matthew 24 would be fulfilled before his generation ended. That generation ended 2000 years ago, and the world has not come to an end, neither has all those signs been fulfilled.

      Here is another:

      Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
      Jesus tells the high priest (Caiaphas) that he would see his second coming. The high priest is long dead, and Jesus hasn't returned yet.

      Or this:

      Jesus speaking:
      23But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. – Matthew 10:23
      Jesus is not suggesting to the disciples that it will be years before He comes, but He is suggesting that it will be a very short time.

      And this:

      Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." Matthew 16:28

      April 25, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @KD

      You said: "It’s funny how people are quick to believe all that is told in history books and believe in Ghosts and Aliens but find it foolish to believe in God…"

      An atheist does not believe in ghosts or Aliens either. There is no real evidence for them. We are equal opportunity disbelievers! LOL

      Cheers

      April 25, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      David, a day in the Lord is a thousand years for man. Another truth of Jesus' you don't comprehend.

      Amen.

      May 3, 2011 at 2:37 pm |
    • Navin R. Johnson

      I know we've only known each other four weeks and three days, but to me it seems like nine weeks and five days. The first day seemed like a week and the second day seemed like five days. And the third day seemed like a week again and the fourth day seemed like eight days. And the fifth day you went to see your mother and that seemed just like a day, and then you came back and later on the sixth day, in the evening, when we saw each other, that started seeming like two days, so in the evening it seemed like two days spilling over into the next day and that started seeming like four days, so at the end of the sixth day on into the seventh day, it seemed like a total of five days. And the sixth day seemed like a week and a half. I have it written down, but I can show it to you tomorrow if you want to see it. - The Jerk

      May 3, 2011 at 2:55 pm |
  20. Colin

    This is one we atheists are guaranteed to win. The problem is, it will get us nowhere. Your average evangelical and your average fundamentalist are so gullible and desperate that, come May 22, they will be searching for the next prophet confidently extolling the next “real” date for the rapture.

    I guess you can’t protect people from their own stupidity.

    April 25, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Yeah, because being rude for no good reason is so wise eh?

      Everyone is welcome to their beliefs, but I never understood why some ppl can't just give them the decency of not making fun of it. If a certain religion is infringing on your pursuit of happiness or other rights, fine...go at them. But putting up a billboard in a desperate need for attention is rather dumb.

      April 25, 2011 at 2:27 pm |
    • Colin

      It is one of the few times they ever make a claim that is actually testable. Publicly showing them to be wrong may help those who are influenced by them to question their other, non-testable claims.

      If they don't want to be criticized for being silly, perhaps they should not publically say silly things.

      April 25, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
    • Chris

      It may be the rare testable claim they make, but Harold Camping (the man behind this 5/21 claim) is the same guy that made the claim in 1994 or whenever it was. He was wrong then and he didn't learn; he'll be wrong again and he won't learn. I think the guy is *desperate* to have it happen in his lifetime.

      April 25, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
    • Mike

      You cannot concretely prove God does not exist any more than they can prove concretely that God does exist. They have faith, you don't. It is that simple. Who made you the protector of everyone else. If someone else chooses to believe in God that is their choice. You need to maintain your own belief and let others maintain theirs.

      April 25, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
    • lolumad

      i think some groups like the Jehovas Crazies and the Seveth Day Nutjobs have predicted the EXACT date of the world ending in upwards of 10 times since their existance.

      April 25, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
    • Scott

      apparently you fail to realize that this group of a couple dozen in no way represents or has the support of the other 2 billion christians in the world. not that you care...you seem more interested in proselytizing your own worldview...

      April 25, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
    • Bob

      Why is it if I disagree with you I'm stupid? That's an awful dangerous place to stand.

      April 25, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
    • lolumad

      Wasn't there a poll recently by gallup that said like 70% of chrisitans think the world will end in their lifetime? I think it was actually MORE than that but its a fairly telling number. Explains why they all seem to be objectivists

      April 25, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
    • Epidi

      Bruce Lee said, "If you make an ass out of yourself, there will always be someone to ride you."

      April 25, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
    • a

      I agree with you 100% Colin. and while yes this is a cheeky response, these people are dragging their poor children through their insane delusions. I've seen you tube videos interviewing five-year-old children with this group that are grappling with the fact that they are about to die in the ” rapture” and hoping that they've been good enough to get into heaven. It's really disgusting and abusive and we should be speaking out against the insanity that happens in the name of religion and somehow that makes it okay.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
    • Bill

      @Lycidas

      And how is the Billboard any different than abortion clinic protestors? If anything, the billboard is less instrusive and less of a personal attack. Besides, I'd rather a believer have to see the billboard than a non-believing doctor get his brains blown out.

      So yeah, us aethiests may make fun of people's beliefs, but we have the right to. It's better than murder.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
    • Colin

      @Bob. It is not disagreeing with me that makes them stupid. It is believing that on May 21, the World will end becuase some invisible sky-fairy will return to Earth and take all the nice people up to heaven to live happily ever after. I'm sorry, but even by fifth grade standards, that is pretty stupid.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:02 pm |
    • Michael

      "But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." (Matthew 24:36). Here Jesus himself says that people predicting the end of the world are full of it. There is more to the faith than waiting for the end of the world.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
    • Spud J Dog

      As Colin said, the billboard is there to make people think about how being foolish about religion can actually hurt the believer AND the people around them. Note that these crusaders gave up their homes, jobs, and fortunes only to make fools of themselves for the whole world. How do you think their non-believing (i.e. sane) friends and family feel about their behavior? Shame much? And now that the old folks have given away their savings I guess they want their kids to take care of them since the Dead Man on a Stick won't.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
    • Bill

      @Bob

      If someone was arguing that 2 + 2 = 5 and I called them on it, it's not because they don't agree with us. It's because they're wrong. And stupid.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
    • Colin

      @ a. I agree. At what point does religious indocrination go past legitimate, if misguided, childrearing, and become child abuse. Look what that nutcase Phelps at the Westborough Baptist Church has done to his poor kids.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:05 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @Bill-"And how is the Billboard any different than abortion clinic protestors?"

      In some ways none at all. If one is being rude out of disrespect for a person's beliefs...it is wrong. There are more constructive ways to give a counter argument than making ppl feel awkward.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:15 pm |
    • John

      @Lycidas

      I am laughing because all someone has to do is mentioned the word GAY and you'll see your statement is not true!

      April 25, 2011 at 3:17 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "think about how being foolish about religion can actually hurt the believer AND the people around them."

      @Spud- The good thing is that we are not in the 11th-13th centuries anymore. I would dare anyone to point out how Christianity hurts the believer and those around them anymore than those that are drug addicts, criminals and the like.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @John- I would be laughing, but your generalization on my fellow Christians isn't funny at all. Perhaps you could clarify what you mean.

      April 25, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Lycidas

      You said: "If a certain religion is infringing on your pursuit of happiness or other rights, fine...go at them."

      The Texas history books are rewriting history to give the conservative slant. The objective of this effort, is to create a Christian Nation, a theocracy with Jesus as head.

      A huge campaign is underway, to convince the American people, the founding fathers never intended a separation of church and state. Thomas Jefferson's role as a founding father is played down. In some cases Jefferson is smudged.

      Expect an attack on the 1st and 14th Amendments. The founding fathers will weep.

      Most of the Tea Party are for a Christian Theocracy.

      The Republicans are the puppets of the Religious Right and the Rich

      You will see an amendment defining marriage as between a man and woman. The repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell", will be in grave jeopardy. Gay rights will dwindle and die.

      Roe Vs. Wade will be reversed. Women will once again be forced to seek back alley remedies.

      Stem cell research will stagnate. The hopes of damaged and sick people will be dashed.

      P_ornography will be illegal. The Religious Right will decide what is p_ornographic , as well as what is art. You will watch television programs approved by the Evangelicals. Lots of reruns of "Growing Pains", starring that Evangelical darling Kirk Cameron. Thank you Jesus!

      Creationism will be taught in school, most likely alongside evolution rather than instead of, but no guarantees.
      Little Johnny will believe in talking snakes and trees that bear knowledge and everlasting life giving fruit. *sigh*
      The rest of the world is spending their time learning real science and math. Good luck Johnny. Can you say: "Would you like fries with that?"

      Prayer will be back in school, but only the one true god, the Christian god, will be given homage. The non-Christians will be allowed to put their heads down on their desks, during the morning worship. They can contemplate their damnation, for not accepting Jesus.

      $ex education will consist of abstinence only. Studies have shown it is a worthless concept. Ladies, cross your legs!!!

      The war against unions, commenced during the Bush administration, will continue.

      Jesus will be the Head of State! And only the Evangelicals will be able to hear His voice. They will tell the rest of us His will. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

      The Christian Right would have all help to the poor, through the churches, and not provided by the government. This would give the Right, tremendous influence over what those receiving help can and cannot do. The recipients would be forced to jump through the hoops the Right wishes them to. They would effectively control this segment of our society. You need help? See you in a church of the Christian Right's choice on Sunday!

      We will be a slave to a make believe god. If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny.

      Yes, the Evangelicals are infringing on my, and all American's rights.

      Cheers!

      April 25, 2011 at 3:39 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @David- "The Texas history books are rewriting history to give the conservative slant. The objective of this effort, is to create a Christian Nation, a theocracy with Jesus as head."

      And that isn't right. We are not a theocracy. No organization, whther muslim, christian, jewish, hindu, atheist...etc should try and force their slant onto the beliefs of others.

      "A huge campaign is underway, to convince the American people, the founding fathers never intended a separation of church and state."

      And that would be wrong. The separation of state and church protects Christians from adverse attacks on their beliefs as well as those with no religion.

      "Most of the Tea Party are for a Christian Theocracy."

      One reason why I don't care a great deal for the Tea Party.

      "The Republicans are the puppets of the Religious Right and the Rich"

      Eh...can't fully agree with you there. If you mean the elected Republicans...maybe. But everyday Republicans...nah.

      "You will see an amendment defining marriage as between a man and woman. The repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell", will be in grave jeopardy. Gay rights will dwindle and die."

      They might try, but I do not see it happening. Not along religious lines at least.

      "Roe Vs. Wade will be reversed. Women will once again be forced to seek back alley remedies."

      Or keep their pants on. That could solve a lot of problems too. RvW has nonreligious aspects as well. Just keep in mind that there are those who are not religious that look at a fetus as being a "person" as much as any Christian would.

      "Stem cell research will stagnate. The hopes of damaged and sick people will be dashed."

      Bah....stem cell research can go on without the anything to do with fetuses. That's an old and outdated excuse.

      "P_ornography will be illegal. The Religious Right will decide what is p_ornographic , as well as what is art."

      This isn't the end of the Weimar Republic you know. I think you are giving too much power to those that don't have any.

      "Creationism will be taught in school, most likely alongside evolution rather than instead of, but no guarantees."

      Nothing wrong with that as long as it's not in a science class.

      "The rest of the world is spending their time learning real science and math. Good luck Johnny. Can you say: "Would you like fries with that?""

      i think you are stretching reality a bit here. Many that are "learning" about science and math are also the nations that are learning the govt is never wrong.

      "Prayer will be back in school, but only the one true god, the Christian god, will be given homage. The non-Christians will be allowed to put their heads down on their desks, during the morning worship. They can contemplate their damnation, for not accepting Jesus."

      Prayer never left, but it's just not mandated and it won't ever be again.

      "$ex education will consist of abstinence only. Studies have shown it is a worthless concept. Ladies, cross your legs!!!"

      Yeah, because all other types of $ex ed has turned out so wonderfully right?

      "The war against unions, commenced during the Bush administration, will continue."

      Yeah, you do realize that Christians made up a great deal of unions?

      "Jesus will be the Head of State! And only the Evangelicals will be able to hear His voice. They will tell the rest of us His will. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

      Going off the rails a bit now aren't you?

      "The Christian Right would have all help to the poor, through the churches, and not provided by the government."

      I doubt you are going to see that. In fact, there is no evidence to this crazy statement at all.

      "We will be a slave to a make believe god. If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny."

      Again...not going to happen.

      "the Evangelicals are infringing on my, and all American's rights."

      No they haven't, except in you fantasy "what if" world.

      Cheers!

      April 25, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • Elizabeth

      I am angry that CNN is essentially endorsing one small cult of false prophets that call themselves Christian. No tradiitonal church has endorsed May 21, 2011 as Judgement Day. And then it seems that CNN is helping to encourage atheists to debunk all of Christianity based on the false prophecy of this tiny cult. And CNN is getting rich off this enterprise; think, who sold our Lord for 30 pieces of silver?

      April 25, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • Kevin

      @ Lycidas "I would dare anyone to point out how Christianity hurts the believer and those around them anymore than those that are drug addicts, criminals and the like."

      How about the Christians in Nigeria that are killing their children because they beleive them to be witches? that wins over drug addicts and the like.

      Religion of any kind is harmful, it takes away your ability to think critically about things and opens you up to being taken advantage of.

      April 25, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Lycidas

      I said: "The Christian Right would have all help to the poor, through the churches, and not provided by the government."

      You replied: "I doubt you are going to see that. In fact, there is no evidence to this crazy statement at all."

      Evidence:

      The Texas Republican Party Platform can be read as a blueprint for Bush administration policies, and reflects the values of Dominion Theology.

      Dominionists believe the federal government should recede into the background. This would be achieved through massive tax cuts. Then the Church would assume responsibliltly for welfare and education. Tax cuts, Faith-based initiatives and school vouchers are the cornerstone of Bush administration domestic policies and recommended in the Texas GOP Platform. These policies are putting the U.S. on the path toward becoming what the Platform calls a "Christian" nation.

      Do these things sound familiar? Huge tax cuts. Discretionary spending cuts. School vouchers. All of these are on the agenda of the Christian Right. All of these are being "pushed" by the Republicans.

      Texas Republican Party Platform page 8: Faith-Based opportunites should be increased. Until that time, "Faith-based Initiatives as proposed by President George W. Bush and currently implemented, should continue to be funded by federal monies. (In other words, the Church should assume responsibility for welfare and education. These programs would be funded through t_ithing – collecting 10% of church members' income – and through community, and business contributions. Until the churches have taken over welfare, the government would fund these programs.)

      Cheers!

      April 25, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @Kevin- "How about the Christians in Nigeria that are killing their children because they beleive them to be witches?"

      I'll take it that since you have to leave the US and go to Nigeria to find something to put just shows how weak your argument is. This is the US, we are talking abou the US....what you put up would not happen in the US. Def not anywhere near the damage of drugs and such.

      BTW, I challenge you to show it was due to Christian belief that brought about those ppl's deaths and not something ingrained in their culture.

      April 25, 2011 at 6:43 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "The Texas Republican Party Platform can be read as a blueprint for Bush administration policies, and reflects the values of Dominion Theology."

      It could also be read as something just to get the base fired up. It could be a lot of things, but what it can't be is a reality.

      "Dominionists believe the....."

      How many "Dominionists run your local govt? State Govt? Fed govt? Until you come up with at least 25%, I doubt you have to worry.

      "Do these things sound familiar? Huge tax cuts. Discretionary spending cuts. School vouchers. All of these are on the agenda of the Christian Right. All of these are being "pushed" by the Republicans."

      Not really...heard much of this from the liberal side of things too.

      "Faith-Based opportunites should be increased. Until that time, "Faith-based Initiatives as proposed by President George W...."

      What could also be read is that the govt will be taking a bigger control over factors that are traditionally religious. It couold be seen as an attack on religion instead of an attack on govt.

      Cheers!

      April 25, 2011 at 6:48 pm |
    • The Dude

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiCyOZL0hbo

      April 25, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
    • Fat Bobby Joe

      "would dare anyone to point out how Christianity hurts the believer and those around them anymore than those that are drug addicts, criminals and the like."

      That has to be the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Where in these pages is anyone condoning the behavior of the weak, the criminal or the like? You are an idiot, Lycidas.

      April 25, 2011 at 8:50 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "Where in these pages is anyone condoning the behavior of the weak, the criminal or the like?"

      I think you need to take a moment from your yapping and read the series of messages that have been written. I know actually reading what is going on is a lot of you, but try it.

      Now that you hopefully read it, try to see that I was merely bringing up real scoial problems that do damage and hurt ppl. Unlike religion.

      April 25, 2011 at 9:20 pm |
    • InFormed99

      David Johnson:

      Right on.

      April 26, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
    • Tol Trunks

      This is an insult considering what is going on. Armageddon occurs 2-3-2012, at 2:30.18.19 PM on the same day earth shall be restored. 2-3-2012.

      April 26, 2011 at 11:02 pm |
    • Tol Trunks

      You know who I am. This is the reason you put up this billboard up in Oakland. You know about Clorox and possibly Kaiser being involved to help life, and fulfill the Scriptures. If you attempt to attack if plain view, ye seek death. I shall defend. 2-3-2012.

      April 28, 2011 at 8:58 pm |
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