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April 25th, 2011
01:41 PM ET

Billboard battle over Judgment Day

(CNN) - We've told you about the caravan of RVs touring the country to warn people about the end of the world, which they say will begin on May 21.

Now, the American Atheists are mounting a counter-campaign.

The group has posted a billboard in Oakland, California - home to Family Radio, which is spreading the "awesome news" that Judgment Day is near - declaring that such messages are "nonsense."

"The Rapture: You KNOW it's Nonsense," the American Atheists' billboard announces. "2000 Years of 'Any Day Now.'"

The billboard - which cost $27,000, according to the group's website - invites passers-by to "Learn the Truth" at the group's "Rapture Party" on May 21-22 in Oakland.

The atheists also plan to hold parties in Houston, Texas, and Fort Lauderdale, Florida, the website says.

"This is how religion hurts people, one of the many ways religion hurts people," American Atheists President David Silverman told CNN Oakland, California, affiliate KGO.

"Our hope is that those who are not suckered in will learn from the people who are."

Read the full story at KGO's website.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Atheism • Death • End times

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  1. Estevan

    Crucified is a POE. No one can be that stupid.

    April 26, 2011 at 6:06 am |
    • crucified

      Mean Atheist! I am not bound by your survivalist natural selectistic thinking...so I do not take offense...only animals attack when cornered!

      April 26, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
  2. star

    Matthew 24:36 NKJV
    "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
    Matthew 24:42 NKJV
    Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.

    April 26, 2011 at 1:57 am |
  3. crucified

    Amazing how Isaiah knew the earth was a circle and said four corners in the same book isn't it... Indicating he knew the earth was Round before Christopher Columbus.. ....Thank You for Pointing that out..

    April 26, 2011 at 1:30 am |
    • Observer

      @Crucified,

      So a sphere has CORNERS? Wow! Also, is a circle the same as a sphere to you?

      April 26, 2011 at 1:34 am |
    • crucified

      No but an orb is read above.

      April 26, 2011 at 1:58 am |
    • Steve (the real one)

      Observer

      @Crucified,

      So a sphere has CORNERS? Wow! Also, is a circle the same as a sphere to you?
      --------
      Observer,
      You seem to be stuck on circles and corners.
      1. The corners are NOT literal and stand for the north, south, east , and west.
      2. Circles and corners have NO bearing on where you will spend eternity and are but diversions from the REAL issue
      3. Jesus has everything to do with where you spend eternity. What will you do with Jesus?

      April 26, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
  4. crucified

    @observer thank you for bring up Isaiah that prophecy did happen in 1948 Isreal became a Nation.

    April 26, 2011 at 1:26 am |
  5. Science1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2HxZXuTb8Y&feature=youtu.be

    April 26, 2011 at 12:53 am |
    • crucified

      @Video Video flawed....deceptive lies to confuse only reenforce belief...for instance.. the amount of water in scripture there are 3 instances of water hieght not one... first the water greatly increased and caused the boat to move..it would of taken 47 million pds of water to displace the ark... then the scripture says...the water rose and covered every high hill...exceedingly..there is not a hieght reference... the last is another 15 cubits came down and covered the mountains.. If you are going to show a video do not do a horse and pony show..say what you believe to be truth not deception.

      April 26, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
    • Q

      Where'd the water come from? Where did it go? Depending on whether the flood was fresh or salt water, what happened to all the fish "kinds" which died given their intolerance for one or the other condition? How did the flood produce a fossil record in which there is a clear progressive order, e.g. first fish, then amphibians, then reptiles, then mammals, then birds? How did the "kinds" hyper-evolve to produce today's observable biodiversity from such limited gene pools (same for humans)? How did these organisms return to their indigenous lands? Why did every last dinosaur (present both before and after the flood and including those wonderfully adapted to aquatic environments, e.g. plesiosaurs) drown, get buried, and become fossilized long before the first old, sick, infant human incapable of swimming (same for the all the other species found exclusively in strata below humans)? Where did Neanderthal, H. erectus, and the other non-H. sapien hominids come from and how did they all get fossilized far above the aforementioned dinosaurs, etc? For all this video's faults, they pale in comparison to literal creationism and the mythical global flood.

      April 26, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
    • crucified

      @Q pretty simple answer.. take silt sediment clay limestone, and other verious earth matter put in large container shake until fully stirred let settle... guess what the sediments fall into prospective order...based on size.. and that is all the fossil record has shown.. also...explains why similing older creatures are at higher levels of elevations.

      April 26, 2011 at 5:51 pm |
    • Q

      @Crucified – Again, no. You don't even understand your own creationist model of "hydrodynamic sorting". Sorting works for rocks based on density, size, sheer forces, etc, in a predictable way under controlled circ-umstances (like those ridiculous demos for children at creation science conventions), however, in the geologic column there is not a consistent gradient of particle sizes and we can see larger particle sizes on top of smaller particle sizes indicating many, many cycles of wet/dry layering processes. This is also evident in the rocks themselves, e.g. wind driven sand invasion, reptile tracks in intervening strata, and Karst formations in the creationist mecca of the Grand Canyon (which also bears significant meandering and lateral tributaries; directly contradicting a single flood/layering event).

      Further still is the problem that similar sized organisms of similar densities are not distributed in the fossil record as this model predicts, i.e. extinct organisms of similar size and consti-tution are separated by vast layers of geologic strata.

      You wrote: "...explains why similing older creatures are at higher levels of elevations" which makes as little sense as the rest of your arguments because it is patently false. By way of simple example, there were plenty of dinosaurs with the approximate volume and density of humans, but they are exclusively found far, far below humans (given the vast diversity of dinosaurs, you could pick any extant organism you wanted, e.g. whale, tiger, fruitfly, etc and again, no dinosaurs alongside these more modern species even though the dinos were of similar size/density and occupied similar niches, in similar regions of the world). Before you return to whatever creationist website you're drawing your arguments from, I'll let you know that the other creationist models attempting to account for the order of the fossil record all fail as quickly as hydrodynamic sorting, be it "ecological zonation", "differential escape", "floating biomes" etc, etc. You truly have no comprehension of the topics you're trying to discuss here...

      April 26, 2011 at 8:00 pm |
    • crucified

      Fail- that is how you explain sea shells on mountains.. gaps in the fossil record... and seemingly older creatures at higher elevations in the mountain strata.. Not good enough.. In every attempt you have made to rationalize your belief breaks down on many levels.. one they violate the Law of causation.. the Law of thermal Dynamics.. and not "true transitional species.. and every time you try to attack intellegence by throwing out presumptions about me.. Just the Facts.... What happened before big bang? How did amino acids get the instruction to make proteins or DNA molecules? How can the mechanism of natural selection exist before the organism itself? and what gave it the intruction to know the difference? How do certain claims attract certain fish with their mantle lure and spit their babies into the gills of the predator as it attacks... this process is irreducible.if one is without the other it would not exist.. Do be intimidated by me...and attack my intelligence just answer the questions genius.. sinse you cannot, Just admit you do not want to face a creator...and would rather rebel...and keep you so called degree important..it is only important to you..and the consequense for rebellion is severe!

      April 27, 2011 at 10:20 pm |
    • Up Your Rear Admiral

      Whatever happened to punctuation and coherence?

      April 27, 2011 at 10:25 pm |
    • Q

      @Crucified – You really give yourself far too much credit. With every post, you demonstrate you know nothing of the topics you blather about. Fossils on mountaintops? Ever heard of plate tectonics and uplift (still occurring and measurable in real-time within many mountain ranges). But you apparently don't understand that the fossils are not "on" the mountaintops, they're "inside" the mountaintops. And you also fail to understand that we can still place uplifted strata within the geologic column and the all the fossils are where they should be. What you haven't even attempted to explain is the obvious discrepancy of the progressive order of the fossil record given creationist claims of all these forms having coexisted both before and after a mythical global flood.
      You reference a "Law of Causation" but clearly don't understand infinite regress and obviously, all the posts about RNA and replicators has sailed over your head. You reference "Thermal Dynamics" and clearly don't know the difference between closed and open systems. (Geez, even the major creationist groups warn their minions to steer clear of this one, lest they be exposed for the fool they are).
      "What happened before big bang?" – A singularity. What happened before this is anyone's guess, but it was not as you probably believe, "something from nothing", but rather a "something" which expanded and is still expanding.
      "How did amino acids get the instruction to make proteins or DNA molecules?" – Like RNA, amino acids can form naturally and produce peptide chains. Amino acids were most likely not the first replicators, but as I've already mentioned, given RNA's ability to encode multiple functionalities (including catalysis), amino acids could have been assimilated by catalytic replicators in any number of ways. Please educate yourself on the "RNA-world hypothesis" before attempting to argue what you don't understand.
      "How can the mechanism of natural selection exist before the organism itself?" – This question actually makes no sense but nonetheless, selection is an abstraction of a process wherein environmental constraints filter out certain characteristics. "Natural selection" (though coined to specifically describe one type of organismal selection) can act to prevent rocks from fitting in a hole that's too small, a liquid or gas from permeating a solid, ice from existing in temps above 32 degrees Fahrenheit, etc, etc. The filter of selection is a simple physical process and once organisms came about, selection acted upon them as well, filtering forms based on their environments. No "instructions" needed.
      "How do certain claims attract certain fish with their mantle lure and spit their babies into the gills of the predator as it attacks... this process is irreducible.if one is without the other it would not exist.. " – It's called co-evolution and complex interdependency can and does evolve all the time. We can witness it directly in the lab and in the field. You likely don't understand enough of "Irreducible complexity" to know what it really is. Here's Judge Jones on Behe's testimony at the Kitzmiller v Dover trial (2005): "By defining irreducible complexity in the way that he has, Professor Behe attempts to exclude the phenomenon of exaptation by definitional fiat, ignoring as he does so abundant evidence which refutes his argument." Irreducible complexity does exist, what matters is if it can come about through natural processes, and for all of the examples provided by ID/creationists, the answer is, yes, it can come about through natural processes. A stone archway when viewed completed is irreducibly complex, i.e. remove any stone in the arch and the whole thing falls. However, we know that with additional supportive structures, it is constructed and afterwhich, the supporting structures are no longer necessary and removed. Evolution has been demonstrated to work in this very fashion.
      While you are irritating in your arrogance born of your repet-itious and demonstrable ignorance, you are certainly not intimidating. You should also know that many, many devout Christians accept evolution (e.g. Francis Collins, current NIH director). Your argument inferring the Theory of Evolution is some kind of "rebellion against God" fails equally with all of your other points in that there are plenty of Theistic Evolutionists. I have no problem with a first cause creator (though I see no evidence for one), but to deny physical evidence because it jeopardizes a narrow theology betrays a lack of integrity and intellectual honesty. For your sake, however, you can certainly claim ignorance. Your post-mortem threats of my suffering for not embracing your faith-based ignorance are laughable as have been all of your posts.
      You'd better pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster and accept evolution or you will be cast into the underworld where crows will peck out your eyes for eternity and you'll only be served noodles with ketchup! No marinara, no meatballs and no parmesan! (See how ridiculous that sound?)

      April 28, 2011 at 12:28 am |
    • crucified

      @Q plate tectonic up lift.. thats funny that you believe that the fossil of a hardtissue animal can leave an impression on a rock and through the pressure and heat of plate techtonic process would not destroy the fossil. also in plate techtonics the outer portions of the plate would push up first not the center being the top of the mountain.. again another flawed conjecture... You are also stating that that is how that happened..and there is no way for you to know... math.. monkeys to man a couple million years, man to maricipual a couple nillion years.. but some debate this because they would not of come out of ice age ok so marcipial to fish or bird many million...your time clock runs out of time for the time for the earth to of forned with the solar system and go through it millions of years to cool and sustain life evolution model would be more like 5 billion years... earth model 1.6 billion years if that..your own long process model doesn't even work. and if amino acids could some how invent instruction to make DNA well we would certainly have similar easy evolutional model in our solar system since it would be a easy model to follow. Yet this Earth was prepared for us.

      April 28, 2011 at 8:16 am |
    • crucified

      @Q singularity before big bang is not a response for you are assuming that the matter and mass were already there in a point of beginning.. so where did the infinite matter and mass come from? and what ever answer you say will be further replied where did that come from... becasue it violates your LAW of cause and effect.

      April 28, 2011 at 8:20 am |
    • crucified

      @q the only one looking bad is you... you keep insulting to undermine the points that are brought up.. and try to assert that my thought are irriational by comparing or making them seem irrational by your sarcasm.. If you really believe you came from a cosmic burp great... I guess that is where you will end up in the end..but don't attack my believes and the beliefs of many others because you do not have clear answers and never can.... and by the way the word replicate will never equal CREATE... I never said organism could not copy code. that is what you do in a lab now.. but you cannot Create code. well you show me the article where you made a banana walk, live and breathe.

      April 28, 2011 at 8:25 am |
    • Q

      @Crucified – To call you ignorant is not an insult, but rather a simple statement of fact. I'm ignorant of many things too, e.g. I don't understand particle physics, I don't understand the game of cricket, etc. The difference is I don't pretend to know more about these topics than folks who have actual education or experience and I know better than to argue beyond my self-recognized limited knowledge in these topics because I could end up looking pretty stupid (e.g. like you do). You, however, repeatedly make statements that are demonstrably false and confuse your incredulity as being something resembling evidence. You make uninformed statements believing they have some weight, and when I explain why they're incorrect, you simply restate the same dumb argument, ignoring the evidence to the contrary. I've actually been rather restrained but given yet another round of dumb arguments, I have no choice but to call you the idiot you are:

      – "...rock and through the pressure and heat of plate techtonic process would not destroy the fossil. also in plate techtonics the outer portions of the plate would push up first not the center being the top of the mountain.. again another flawed conjecture..."

      Yes, many fossils are lost during uplift and other geologic processes (which is exactly why your previous claims that we should see thousands of transitional forms is ridiculous given the rarity of their formation, preservation and re-exposure. Again, that we have so many despite this rarity is strong evidence for evolution). However, given the size of the fossils in comparison to the areas being distorted, it's a near statistical certainty that many (or at least some pieces) will survive these processes. Your second sentence is equally dumb. Of course the most dramatic uplift events occur at the edges of plates where they collide (though this is not the only method of uplift). Either way, it doesn't matter because the fossils are distributed throughout the geologic column and when pushed up, those layers don't disappear, i.e. the layers shift from "top to bottom" to "outside to inside". Erosion removes the outside layers exposing the inside layers, however, these layers are matched (by substrate and fossil composition) to those layers which weren’t uplifted. What’s seen is wholly concordant with evolutionary and mainstream geology predictions, i.e. no humans alongside dinosaurs, no rabbits in pre-Cambrian. Again, my question to you was how do you explain the observed progression of the major classes of vertebrate life, i.e. fish, then amphibians, then reptiles, then mammals, then birds? How was this order established in a single event?

      – “…monkeys to man a couple million years, man to maricipual a couple nillion years.. but some debate this because they would not of come out of ice age ok so marcipial to fish or bird many million...your time clock runs out of time for the time for the earth to of forned with the solar system and go through it millions of years to cool and sustain life evolution model would be more like 5 billion years”.

      In addition to being damn near incoherent, your numbers are off. Age of the earth = ~ 4.6 billion. First cells ~ 500 million – 1 billion years later. First animals ~ 3.2 billion years after this. ~200 million yrs later = Fish. ~115 million yrs later = amphibians. ~ 60 million yrs later = reptiles. ~100 million yrs later = mammals. ~50 million yrs later = Birds. You don’t really know anything of how evolution or development works at a molecular level and in this ignorance, fail to recognize how exaptation can accelerate divergence towards the termini of particular lineages, e.g. once the genes are present, one need only slightly perturb when and where they’re turned on and off to produce radically different morphology. You simply don’t know enough to even begin discussing how long something should take, particularly when you don’t know anything about the mechanics of that “something”. But again, I ask you, how did this order of fossils come about? How do you explain this?

      – “singularity before big bang is not a response for you are a-ssuming that the matter and mass were already there in a point of beginning. so where did the infinite matter and mass come from? and what ever answer you say will be further replied where did that come from... becasue it violates your LAW of cause and effect.”

      Again, you are an idiot. The singularity is the requirement of your so called “law of cause and effect”. How it got there, nobody knows and this gap of knowledge can be filled with anything and everything. It could be a magical first cause creator. It could have always existed. It could have been produced by some other purely natural process (e.g. multiverse collision). This is called an infinite regress. We can ask “but what came before “X”?” for forever and because there’s no real evidence, it’s a stalemate. Before you start with some claim of “but God is outside of time”, or ““he always existed”, etc, your definitional fiat is not an argument, because I can with equal confidence (and equal lack of evidence) claim the singularity always existed. You’re not very good at this debate thing…

      Your last post is whiny pseudo-martyrdom. You made yourself look like a fool arrogantly speaking on topics you know nothing about. The physical evidence I keep referring to is available to anyone to directly observe and is available to you to learn more about. Your magic beliefs exist only in your book and in your head so please spare me the veiled threats of damnation for not drinking your preferred flavor of theological kool-aid. Again, I’ll ask one last time, how do you explain the order of the fossil record and remember, you’re going to have to do better than “ecological zonation”, “differential escape” and “floating biomes”? I know, I know, this is too much to ask of one with your limited comprehension and curiosity. I’ll just ask you a very simple question, why do men have nip-ples?

      April 28, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • crucified

      @Q more insults from you fledgling arguement...in your arguement on platetechnonics you validate my point by stating that the fossils would be destroyed and in the same paragraph you say that they would not.. if the softer rocks could accept the impression of fossilization..they would in no way make it through the pressure, and heat of plate techtonics..you admitted this in the same statement you denial for this, I call you bi-polar. how can h=2 calcite or mixed h=3 flourite with calcite survive plate techtonics... plate techtonics occures at the rifts or ends where the two plates meet there should be plenty of your transitional species fossils all in the middle like their are sea shells on the top of mountains. the edge of the plate does not become the top of the mountain but more rolls over the top like a wave because they are at differing densities.. they do not meet head long at the same density. oceanic plates and crustal plates have different densities.. your assertions are wrong.. and it was a frail attempt to confuse.. geologic time would never give you enough biologic time to create even at a conservative 4 billion years minus at least 1 billion cool time and stabalization to support life. You do not even have enough geologic time to change transitionally to current species much less the time you need to create the code that some how invented itself to cause life and know how to create into more complex bacteria. as far as singularity that is my specialty.. and it is a mathmatical model that has been used to try to explain imposible mathmatics of physics. Eistein its creator did not even understand it.. infinite mass and matter in one location deciding to chaoticly explode and become in ordered functions had to come from some where. you my freind are a wee little man in a big universe with a lot to be accountable for. so crawl back into your cubbie and make yourself feel better about how you are going to save yourself from the fires of Hell....

      April 28, 2011 at 9:09 pm |
    • crucified

      @q on a side note, science has already acknowledged that we live in an inferior reality than the greater one that is more real than our present state...quantum physics..sounds like Heaven..it also acknowledges more dimensions than the 4 you currently probably acknowledge being in probably the applied fields.. and as for further answers to your questions..if things were created or placed in our dimension from outside the constrants of time which dilude your theories to nothing.. then it could be created at anytime by intelligence..Time is an illusion, albert eeinstein, yet you use it to base your whole model life and belief around..try thinking outside the cubbie and really figure things out. Design is evident in everything. do not be so self absorbed to think everything happen by random accidents mr. bombedier bettle..symbiotic realionship are mutually inclusive of eachother and random chance deteriates their purposeful relationship. but if it is not so uncommon to think that these common mechanical process could occur on their own and by accident..their evidence should be evident on every planet, moon, meteor in our solor system for they would not be special and extremites would form anywhere on their own into complex creatures as ourselves for they have had just as much time to do it. for all of creation began according to you at a bang. of course chaotic explosions cannot ever produce the order that is in the universe or in our system..by the way the geologic model for the age of the earth use to be 1.6 billion years..and they had to move it back because of whinning biologist needing more time for their model..guess what. their still is not enough time. and you are still whinning because you cannot figure out how to explain in your own field how an amino acid could invent instruction to become a protein! You will never make a banana walk. so keep with your illusions of random process turning inatimatedead matter into intelligence. science can only replicate what God has already created. the God you will have to answer to, Jesus Christ.

      April 28, 2011 at 10:57 pm |
    • crucified

      @q not once have had to call you an idiot to reenforse my point.. but you continue on.. it only shows your desperation.

      April 28, 2011 at 11:05 pm |
    • crucified

      @q one more point , in your statement you said that you do not have to say what preceded because you could say singularity always was. that is a logical fallacy for you are violating the very laws you are govern by..you cannot dismiss the law of cause and effect. and to say matter always exist or even more ridiculous instructional matter that knows how to organize itself. the only thing that could place the beginning matter is something outside the constrainst you are govern by..ie Time, Dimension, and property laws. as You would go to a fish store and buy all the things to take care of your wonderful new pet.. all the things have been provided for you.. they were placed there.. to the fish born in that enviroment the would think it was always there as you do...all I can say is some fish recognize when their master is feeding them and go to the top of the tank for the food.. and some..like you look at the rock for the answer..you can still continue to look at the rocks.. but science already says there is more beyond the aquarium glass.

      April 28, 2011 at 11:45 pm |
    • Q

      @Crucified – "...if the softer rocks could accept the impression of fossilization..they would in no way make it through the pressure, and heat of plate techtonics.." – I said many would be destroyed, some would survive (it appears you're also inferring they must survive as singular wholes which is incorrect). There are too many examples of calcite-coated and calcite containing fossils to list (just google "Trilobites" and start reading), but you should note they have been recovered from a broad range of strata located within a broad range of elevations (i.e. products of uplift). The fossils can be impressions or the "rocks" themselves and they can and do survive uplift (again they're not on "top" of the mountains, they're "inside" the mountains in a manner concordant with similar lower elevation portions of the geologic column). It's really that simple. Yes there are also fossils in the middle of plates (I never claimed they weren't) providing the means to compare similar fossils/strata found at different elevations. I find it particularly ironic that you would infer heat and pressure would utterly destroy fossils when in many cases, it is these processes responsible for fossilization and, not surprisingly, you have it backwards.

      -"...geologic time would never give you enough biologic time to create even at a conservative 4 billion years minus at least 1 billion cool time and stabalization to support life." The geology, the physics of radiometric dating and stromatolites disagree wherein the latter provide the base of a progressive fossil record for which you have no explanation.

      -"...as far as singularity that is my specialty.. and it is a mathmatical model that has been used to try to explain imposible mathmatics of physics." Apparently you failed to grasp what I said before. Focusing on the big bang is an infinite first cause regress with no hard evidence either way. You reference a law of "cause and effect" but then provide the non sequitur of "God did it". I provide a singularity (or really anything, it doesn't matter) and both are subject to "what came before that" based on your "law of cause and effect". Again, I know you'll argue by definitional fiat that "God is eternal" but this is not evidence and does not remove the infinite regress problem.

      "...how an amino acid could invent instruction to become a protein!" This is why I call you an idiot. I've explained a couple of times now that this is not what is indicated but you cling to this strawman like a dingleberry to perineum hair. Please take a look at combinatorial chemistry or SELEX to learn how random assembly from random components can be SELECTED for functionality. No intelligent design, just randomness filtered (you creationists never seem to be able to wrap your minds around this simple concept). Now, mathematician, extrapolate and repeat this process to an N-dimensional hypervolume of selection pressures for replicators knowing the precursor assembly was a simple product of chemistry and polymerization. Again, we can witness this process produce functionality in the lab and in the wild, e.g. Szostak’s RNA aptamers, Lenski’s E. coli, the Pod Mrcaru lizards, etc, etc.
      -“…you are violating the very laws you are govern by..you cannot dismiss the law of cause and effect.” Yet, you do this by invoking a “God of the gaps”, eternal and outside of time, etc. Whatever trait you apply here to your first cause, I can apply to the origin of the singularity. This is the one area where your label of conjecture does actually apply. Unfortunately for you, it applies equally to both propositions. This may surprise you but I don’t care how the universe started. No evidence to indicate any strong scientific hypothesis regarding a true “first cause”. But this is all immaterial to the evidence for chemical and biological evolution. Again, the fossil record demonstrates a discrete and ordered progression which is even conceded by creationists (whence all their desperate “flood geology” models, each failing in its own right) and abiogenesis research continues to discover the requisite chemical pathways for early replicators.
      The balance of your posts are really pretty useless and you ever fail to answer the simple questions of “why does the fossil record display an evolutionary concordant order?”, or the even simpler question of “why do men have nip-ples?” You have nothing to offer but negative arguments of incredulity, no hypotheses, no models, nothing testable, no positive physical evidence, nothing but babbling apologetics and a truly poor understanding of the science you try to deny. What you do have is a palpable fear of your own mortality and a desperate need to pacify it. And when I call you an idiot, it’s because you have displayed all the requisite qualities, i.e. an inability to respond coherently (let alone to the points raised), an inability to grasp relatively simple concepts and an inability to understand that simply making wholly unsupported declarations over and over again does nothing to remove the physical evidence I kept referencing. The fossils exist, the genes exist, etc, etc , all where evolution predicts they should. And what do you have to counter these simple facts? An invisible magic man described in a book written by humans claiming magic upon magic, mythology upon mythology. To this I leave with a short narrative:
      http://www.jhuger.com/kisshankbutt.php

      April 29, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
  6. Light

    David Silverman should know, that atheistism is a religion in itself, they worship themsleves and the rest of mankind.

    April 26, 2011 at 12:46 am |
    • Estevan

      Fail.

      Atheism is the absence of belief in a deity or deities.

      Despite what your preacher may have said atheism is not a religion. It is simply the absence of belief in a god or gods.

      If you do not believe in unicorns you are an a-unicornist. If you don't believe in fairies you are an a-fairyist. If you don't believe in santa you are an a-santaist. None of these are religions.

      April 26, 2011 at 6:19 am |
    • Lycidas

      While Light is wrong in their definition, atheism is a belief of sorts. It's the belief there is no divinity of any sort.

      April 26, 2011 at 6:20 am |
  7. Light

    Judgmentday is indeed 25 days away, time is very very very short people!! God cannot lie, in 25 days, the door(Christ) of salvation will be shut forevermore, never to be open again.

    http://www.familyradio.com

    http://www.Ebiblefellowship,com

    April 26, 2011 at 12:40 am |
    • Fnord

      Your claim has no valid proof. Stop trying to scare people into giving money to dying churches. There is no evidence for Judgment Day, other than the faith of a lot of frightened, gullible people. I'll keep saying this until even the Fundies admit it: FAITH PROVES NOTHING!

      April 26, 2011 at 12:49 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      Dear Light, It's true God can not lie, but satan can, and man can be so gullible to swallow it hook, line and sinker! It appears, that's what you and your friends did!

      April 26, 2011 at 12:50 am |
    • Peace2All

      @Prism 1234

      Hi -Prism...

      So, how does one tell the difference...? What 'if' the rapture does indeed happen, 'hypothetically.' What would you say then...?

      Respectfully,

      Peace...

      April 26, 2011 at 12:52 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      Hi, Peace2all,
      The "rapture" can NOT happen on May 21. In my comment above I explained it why: Because that is NOT what the Scriptures teach. If this issue was a shady area, and there may be some indications, I would say NOTHING! But this is so way off, that it's not even worth debating... Go to their website, and read. If you know anything about rightly dividing Word of God you will see. Those who fall for it, are Biblically Illiterate!
      I must "retire" now, but I can explain more about what the Word o God teaches... But it's definitely NOT what those people say....
      Good night now!

      April 26, 2011 at 1:04 am |
    • Peace2All

      @PRISM 1234

      Thank you for coming back and making a quick response. If you make it back here to this thread again, I am interested in what you think the 'scriptures' teach. And... 'rightly dividing the Word of God.'

      Have a great night... and hopefully we can pick up this conversation at another time.

      Respectfully,

      Peace...

      April 26, 2011 at 1:09 am |
    • Peace2All

      @PRISM 1234

      Ahhh.... sorry... I just saw your posting above @12:06 am talking a bit about your beliefs.

      I think I have a pretty good idea of your worldview on these things, however, if you have anything else you wish to add, I'm certainly open to hearing it.

      Respectfully,

      Peace...

      April 26, 2011 at 1:23 am |
    • star

      its not true at all you dont know when the end will be no one does but the lord

      April 26, 2011 at 2:15 am |
  8. ScareEveryone

    When I heard about this story I found it to be just like many others. When I was growing up, as a child, this scared me to no end. I went to bed every night afraid because I was told that Jesus was coming back soon.

    I grew to to be a teen in 1979 and heard that the world would be ending that year. Again, it scared me to death. I wanted to be married and and children before this date. I gained both of the goals. Now the husband is gone and I have a 30+ son who is still trying to find himself. All I see is him finding money in my pockets.

    In 1993, a church posted that the world was ending. They had a shut in for everyone that night that the world was suppose to end. They served the people their last supper, sang and prayed. When the next morning came, they were still here. The best thing the Preacher could say was "It is best to have an umbrella and not need it than to be caught in the rain without one."

    Again in September of 1994, it was supposed to happen. I was in the processing of purchasing a house. I was debating whether to go to closing or not. If the world was ending on September 15, 1994, why am I going to sign away my life when I was not going to be here. Well as of today, I am still my same home almost 17 years later.

    I was baptized and raised a Methodist who believed in the bible. But as you see the way things are going, there is no wonder people don't believe or have a hard time believing. In the human world through college I was told the more knowledge you gain the better understanding you will have of the things around you. But when you have the "the men of the cloth" who are supposed to be saving souls but instead killing souls, because they are human just like you and me it becomes disheartening.

    People have sold their worldly possessions to follow their spiritual guide in preparation of the return of Christ. Are they telling people not to pay their bills the month of May? Why pay if you are not going to be here? After the 22, if we are still here, what are they going to say? Ooops, I didn't tell you not to pay your bills. Sorry, I can't help you. You should have paid your bills.

    People who are afraid of the what might happened have actually killed themselves because they can't face the unknown. It is frightening young people like it used to do me because they can't imagine burning when their parents are always telling not to play with fire because they will be burned.

    The world will end as we know it. But when it does, who is going to be here to tell about it?

    If a spaceship goes into space not knowing the day or nor the hour the earth ends, will it be lost in space or will the astronauts on that flight survive and start a new world?

    April 26, 2011 at 12:14 am |
  9. PRISM 1234

    "Now is the time to cry out to God for mercy!"

    That is true, "NOW" is always time to call upon the Name of the Lord, and come humbly before Him.

    But this teaching that's being spread around about the predicted set date, it's TOTALLY WRONG! I went to their website, and they are so much in error in their explaining of the Scriptures, that they have lost any credibility!
    It's just another attempt of satan to discredit Christianity, and cause the world to scoff at it.

    But no one takes glory from God, and it will be as He declares, and not as man figures in his own understanding. Here is a true example what happens when man tries to figure out God and interpret the Scriptures WITHOUT the Holy Spirit of God.
    Satan is more then willing and eager to step in and slide in the thoughts of his own, and they fall for it....

    Main thing what they did, is singled out some Scriptures, took them out of context, and ascribed to them the meanings from their own imagination. And they called it REVELATION.......That's how all cults start.... I feel for those people. How gullible can they be?! What will they do on May 22?!

    There is much damage done by those type of teachings. But it is not isolated to extreme groups.... Most today's Christians believe that there will be a secret "Rapture", which means "catching away". But NOWHERE in the Bible is to be found that this event of Christ's comming for his people will be in a secret catching away. Those who teach it are doing the same thing as those who have set the date on may 21, 2011... They are just not setting dates. But they are inserting their own thoughts into Scriptures....

    God will do what He has said He will do it, and His Word specifically says that He will come at the end of the age, when all things ar accomplished, at the sound of the LAST TRUMP, and THEN He will come and gather His own to Himself, to meet Him in the clouds.... And no man can change the course of events leading to His comming. Yet somehow, people think, that if there are enough of them believing something, it will so happen....

    God is the Lord, and He is the only one who by His Holy Spirit leads those who belong to Him into understanding. But we can not run ahead of Him, and like silly children run with it, while He is saying "but you have not heard what I have to say to you"...
    So they make a mess out of their lives, and they put on the line the faith of many who are looking to them for answers.... Foolish children!

    April 26, 2011 at 12:06 am |
  10. Rica

    If the Atheist don't believe, then why can't they just ignore it billboard signs for Judgment Day? Why do they have to put up billboards right in front of the JD billboard and spend so much money? Why only now? It's because they know our days are counted. The end is near and it's human nature to deny it because of fear. Didn't the Atheist realized that this is the actual plan of God? They felt to put up a billboard too, now, it has created attention from the media and the people. I pray that through this, many will be saved from the wrath of God and I believe it's going to be on May 21. We still have time to ask God for mercy. After that, like in Noahs day it might be too late when the doors to the Ark shuts......

    April 26, 2011 at 12:01 am |
    • Observer

      @Rica,

      PLEASE return to these religious blogs on May 22. We will be anxious to hear what went wrong.

      April 26, 2011 at 12:03 am |
  11. Rica

    If the Atheist don't believe, then why can't they just ignore it billboard signs for Judgment Day? Why do they have to put up billboards right in front of the JD billboard and spend so much money? Why only now? It's because they know our days are counted. The end is near and it's human nature to deny it because of fear. Didn't the Atheist realized that this is the actual plan of God? They felt to put up a billboard too, now, it has created attention from the media and the people. I pray that through this, many will be saved from the wrath of God and I believe it's going to be on May 21. We still have time to ask God for mercy. After that, like in Noahs day it might be too late when the doors to the Ark shuts.

    April 25, 2011 at 11:58 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Rica

      Hi -Rica...

      I'm sincerely curious... I have heard of the supposed 'rapture' coming on May 21st. I'm interested in 'how' specifically you have come to believe this to be absolute fact...?

      I mean, who know's... you 'may' be correct. So, maybe you have 'absolute knowledge' that we others don't share.

      Respectfully,

      Peace...

      April 26, 2011 at 12:50 am |
  12. Crucified

    @jesusfreaker read micah 5:2, zechariah 9:9, zechariaf 11:12, zecheriah 11:13, zechariah 13:6, isaiah 53:9 , psalms 22:16 all are 600 years before Christ born.

    April 25, 2011 at 11:54 pm |
    • Alan

      Don't use the bible to prove the bible

      April 25, 2011 at 11:57 pm |
    • Observer

      @Crucified,
      What about talking snakes, men living in whales, flat earth, etc.? Did you read about them?

      April 25, 2011 at 11:58 pm |
    • Jesusfreaker

      read my reply to your reply on p24

      April 26, 2011 at 12:00 am |
    • Maybe

      Crucified,

      Those wouldn't be the same books that Jesus and all of the NT writers read, would they?

      April 26, 2011 at 12:00 am |
    • Observer

      @Alan,

      Maybe he should be allowed to use the Bible to prove the Bible since it is SO EASY to use it to DISPROVE the Bible.

      April 26, 2011 at 12:01 am |
    • Crucified

      Why not... That is the requirement you put on Christians to prove the bible with the bible..

      April 26, 2011 at 12:01 am |
    • Crucified

      @ jesusfreaker Peace. I gave scripture..just for some insite on my thoughts...not to force them on you..

      April 26, 2011 at 12:04 am |
    • Jesusfreaker

      Alright, peace it is.

      BTW do you sometimes use the name HeavenSent?

      April 26, 2011 at 12:14 am |
    • Crucified

      @ observer It does not saying anything about a flat earth...When you lie you become an uncredible resouce that no one will listen to.

      April 26, 2011 at 12:15 am |
    • Crucified

      @Jesusfreaker nope just crucified. I have used thinkbig once.

      April 26, 2011 at 12:17 am |
    • Jesusfreaker

      You're feisty like HeavenSent.

      I prefer Thinkbig. No offense but Crucified is a tad morbid. How about a happier name, like Resurrected or Risen? Just a thought.

      April 26, 2011 at 12:41 am |
    • crucified

      @Jesusfreaker Crucified reminds me that..I am one with Christ suffering.. That I do not claim to be good enough but rely on the merits of my Savior.. It reminds me how Human I am and in need of a Savior.

      April 26, 2011 at 12:52 am |
    • Observer

      .@Cricified.
      The Bible talks about the earth being a circle, which is TWO-DIMENSIONAL. It refers to the "four corners" of the earth and talks about being able to stand at a point and see all of it.

      "When you lie you become an uncredible resouce that no one will listen to".

      April 26, 2011 at 1:03 am |
    • crucified

      @Observer The scripture you are qouting is in about three places one refers to the Angels-Spiritual, and the others I believe are about the Wind.. These are not true analysis of our belief and you are being deceptive..

      April 26, 2011 at 1:14 am |
    • crucified

      @observer also, when abraham is standing in the desert.. and sees as far as he can... making reference that his decendants would be innumberible.. this is a spiritual reference..I am sure you are going to talk about camals going through an eye of a needle next.... Don't be deceptive..to try to make a point.

      April 26, 2011 at 1:17 am |
    • Observer

      @Crucified:
      (Isaiah 11:12) “And He will lift up a standard for the nations And assemble the banished ones of Israel, And
      will gather the dispersed of Judah From the four corners of the earth.”
      (Isaiah 40:22) “God sits above the circle of the earth.”
      (Matthew 14:8) “Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of
      the world and their glory.”

      "When you lie you become an uncredible resouce that no one will listen to".

      April 26, 2011 at 1:22 am |
    • crucified

      @ Observer It happened Isreal became a Nation in 1948

      April 26, 2011 at 1:28 am |
    • Observer

      @Crucified,
      Why are you trying to change the subject?

      April 26, 2011 at 1:30 am |
    • crucified

      Amazing how Isaiah knew the Earth was Round before Culumbus... also you point out the four corners and the earth as a circle coming from the same book...which invalidates your point. especially since it was the same aurthor. Isaiah was describing that the Jews would be scattered and then come back to their own Nation which happened also in 1948...

      April 26, 2011 at 1:33 am |
    • crucified

      I did not the answer is below..CNN missed up putting it on Thread

      April 26, 2011 at 1:34 am |
    • Observer

      @Crucified:
      "you point out the four corners and the earth as a circle coming from the same book...which invalidates your point"

      What an incredible LACK of logic. It is YOUR BOOK that describes the earth as having four corners AND being a circle. Trying to blame me for it's saying that is beyond nonsense.

      April 26, 2011 at 1:43 am |
    • crucified

      Observer My point is if you read the text one is about Dispersion of the isrelites not the shape of the Earth.. The other describes God sitting on the Circle of the Earth.. which says it is round... translation of round and circle would be the same. Your point is nonsense

      April 26, 2011 at 1:51 am |
    • crucified

      In the original hebrew עגול‎ is circle or ORB pretty accurate if you ask me.. now lets talk about why he said that before humans knew it was round.

      April 26, 2011 at 1:54 am |
    • Observer

      @Crucified
      "the four corners of the earth.”, "circle of the earth", and sitting on ONE SPOT and seeing "all the kingdoms of the world"

      Which of those English words don't you know the definition of? So a circle can have corners and is the same as a sphere and you can see the entire world from the top of a mountain? I'd guess math and logic weren't your best subjects in school.

      April 26, 2011 at 2:00 am |
    • crucified

      @Observer I already proved the point..trying to belittle me because you are upset that..I overcame your questions logically only makes you look bad.. further, shows athiesm Anger.. and actually.. I graduated Honors at an impacted universitySumma, so get over yourself

      April 26, 2011 at 2:03 am |
    • Observer

      You have proved absolutely nothing. I quoted the Bible talking about a circle and the four corners and you say that discredits me when what I said was ABSOLUTELY TRUE. You then try to switch subjects and pretend that "four corners of the WORLD" has nothing to do with the shape of the WORLD. Most ridiculous of all, you claim that "four corners" indicates that the world is a sphere. It's probably not a good idea to brag about your education if you claim a sphere has CORNERS.

      April 26, 2011 at 2:11 am |
    • crucified

      Observer u are making your self look silly.. anyone will reread you should stop now.. Good night.

      April 26, 2011 at 2:21 am |
    • Observer

      @Crucified,

      Hopefully tomorrow you will have time to read a basic geometry book. I recommend you study up on spheres, angles, circles, straight lines, etc.

      April 26, 2011 at 2:31 am |
    • claybigsby

      " and actually.. I graduated Honors at an impacted universitySumma, so get over yourself"

      Wow talk about sinful pride....you need to get over yourself.

      If you were really as smart as you say, you would have brought up the fact that the translation from Hebrew to English will never be spot on. The Hebrew language lacked a specific term for sphere as well as terminology for infinite space. The word Chug, as described in context with other words in Isaiah cannot be used to prove that the Bible teaches a flat earth.

      But, when the book was translated to english in 1380 AD, the man translating the bible knew of a spherical earth which leads me to believe that the people writing the bible originally only knew of a flat "circle" of earth and thought of it as so, not a sphere considering the concept of a spherical earth evolved in the 300's BC. Man originally wrote that book and had limited knowledge of the earth at the time. there is no way that man could have known that the world was a sphere when the bible was originally written, when the greeks figured in out in the 300's BC.

      April 26, 2011 at 10:21 am |
    • crucified

      @observer ok I back to answer your absurd question about four corners.... of the earth...Well the Greek word is Kanaph which actually means Extremity, Corner, Boundary or End.If you reference Job 37:3 & Job 38:13 you will see.. also it is common to divide a map into four quadraints.. directions.. so this means the four directions of the ends of the earth... as for your circle question I already showed that it is actually Orb not circle. and the bible is correct about the shape of the earth even before columbus figured out it was round... or course if you get into quantum Mathmatics it doesn't matter anyway because everything is an illusion of a greater existance..sounds like Heaven to me....Take the Blue Pill.

      April 26, 2011 at 1:04 pm |
    • crucified

      @claybigsby I did not say out pride but because.. was attacked by observer on creditials.. there form flashed the passport. similar to Paul expressing his creditials to the Jews that he was a pharisee.

      April 26, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
    • Know What

      The Hebrew word for a sphere like a ball is Dur (דור). The writer(s) of Isaiah did not use this word to describe the Earth. "Chug" was backpedaled into meaning "orb" in later translations.

      April 26, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
    • Know What

      Crucified,
      "I graduated Honors at an impacted universitySumma,"

      I don't mind at all that you present your credentials, but please don't name this University - that they granted you an Honors, Summa degree, with your poor spelling and grammar skills (evidence of sloppy thought processes), should be an embarrassment to them.

      April 26, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      Alan
      Don't use the bible to prove the bible
      -----–
      Why?

      April 26, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
    • crucified

      Cheap shot... to attack grammer.....even though you understood the content...type fast... on small laptop... You are wrong about the orb thing...noun
      1.מעגל
      2.חוג
      3.עגול
      4.דור
      5.עוגה
      6.יציע
      7.סבוב
      8.מעגילה
      9.מסב
      verb
      1.לחוג
      2.לעגל
      3.לעגול
      cirlce could be any of these....but the one used is orb!

      April 26, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
    • Q

      @Steve(TRO) – I'm not sure if it's technically "circular reasoning" or "begging the question" but in any case, it's referencing an unproven assumption as the premise to prove the unproven assumption. E.g:
      A: The bible is true.
      B: How do you know this?
      A: Because the bible says it's true.

      April 26, 2011 at 3:16 pm |
    • crucified

      @q circular reasoning.........same could be said about evolution and the big bang theory...unproven theories that use theory mechanism for basis of arguement..

      April 26, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      Q

      @Steve(TRO) – I'm not sure if it's technically "circular reasoning" or "begging the question" but in any case, it's referencing an unproven assumption as the premise to prove the unproven assumption. E.g:
      A: The bible is true.
      B: How do you know this?
      A: Because the bible says it's true.
      -----
      fair enough ...but only as long a you stop using fossils you have never touched AND or have seen in person! And since you personally don't KNOW that the earth is billions of years old, toss that out as well! When you get finished tossing out what YOU have never see or touched in person, let me know what you have left! Otherwise all you have is belief! Hey wait, where did I hear that before?

      April 26, 2011 at 3:44 pm |
    • Q

      @Crucified – Sorry, but evolution the process is an observable, demonstrable, predictable fact. The Theory of Evolution is based on this mechanism along with all of the other concordant, demonstrable, physical evidence, i.e. the claims of Evolutionary Theory stands on the validated premises of the known mechanisms and their physical evidence. Not at all the same as the "bible is true because the bible says it's true".

      April 26, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
    • Q

      @Steve(TRO) – Also fair enough, but unfortunately for your premise, I have a bunch of letters behind my name and during the course of earning these, I have literally touched fossils, seen their excavation from particular geologic strata and witnessed their preparation. I have literally sequenced genes and constructed phylogenetic trees, induced mutations, selected for mutations, sampled biodiversity at micro- and macro-organismal scales, etc, etc. I have used radiation to ablate bone marrow and used radiometric decay to monitor isotope distributions (these latter examples are the basis for dating the earth, i.e. if these decay mechanisms weren't consistent, we couldn't use them in day to day research, let alone all the other applications in industry). You too can experience all of this by knocking on the doors of labs at your local research university or requesting a tour of the research wing of your local natural history museum. And of course that's the difference, you cannot provide any evidence for your supernatural/theological beliefs. But that's ok, faith is faith. Still, don't confuse your inability to produce physical evidence with the ability of science to readily provide it.

      April 26, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
    • crucified

      @Q That is why it is called a theory because it is fact right.... Evolution and the big bang are untestable, unobservable, therefore are always a Theory....they do not become fact because you say so.. noun, plural -ries.
      1. a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
      2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
      3. Mathematics . a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.
      I included the definition to help you out... next time I am going to have to charge you for you gross misinterpretations and deceptions across the internet!

      April 26, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
    • Q

      @Crucified – Again, I would implore you to learn something about these topics before demonstrating your ignorance. Biological evolution is a fact where the formal biological definition is: changes in allele frequencies in a population over time (e.g. genes for height, genes for eye color, genes for metabolic disorders, etc, etc). The mechanisms for this evolutionary change are well known, e.g. genetic drift, horizontal gene transfer, selection, etc, etc. The mechanisms underpinning the allelic variations are also well known, i.e. any number of mutational mechanisms.

      The scientific theory of Evolution is based on the fact of evolution and the concordant physical evidence from every relevant scientific discipline, e.g. astronomy, physics, chemistry, biology, ecology, paleontology, geology, etc, etc.

      April 26, 2011 at 7:37 pm |
    • Q

      @Crucified – I would also add that we have directly observed what is considered to be the expected scale of evolutionary change predicted by the Theory of Evolution to be available within a human life-time, i.e. speciation accompanied by significant morphological changes. Contrast this to not a single shred of physical evidence for spontaneous creation/intelligent design. No concordant supporting physical evidence, no viable models, no testable hypotheses, just apologetics. Perhaps this is why mainstream science produces technology with its discoveries and creationists produce propaganda. Tell me, how many oil/mineral companies use "flood geology" to locate reserves? Why do you think they all choose "flawed" and "useless" mainstream geology? Do they know they're jeopardizing their profits by not using the superior "creation models"?

      April 26, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
    • crucified

      @Q There is no Fact of Evolution.. You just want to keep your fellowship and brainwash innocent youth to your inductionation program.. Evolution is a theory and always will be. also, being from that oil rich area you make it seem like real geology or flood geology to find minerals and oil...."buddy, ya'll just dig where the limestone is" quit trying to confuse people and stay in your field of study... Ph. I doctorate of indoctranation.

      April 26, 2011 at 10:29 pm |
  13. Science1

    One of the main problem with this stupidity of religious belief is that we are very close to conquer death once and for ever. If even a small part of the money that is given to the churches that only scam people, would be invested in scientific research to promote longevity we could reverse aging and be healthy 30 something for ever. We could also improve conditons are the world defeat many different problems and bring wealth and prosperity to all mankind. All this can be realized by rationality and science. Heaven can be created here on Earth and it would not be an illusion like the one talked about by religion but a real one. This is the main reason it is so wrong to believe in stupid religion, it deliver false hope when supporting science would solve all our problems. If you don't agree with me on this, next time you want to refrigerate something pray god not to make the food spoil instead of using a refrigerator, you want to call your girlfriend ask god to send your thoughts to her. instead of using a cell phone, you need to fly to another city for business or vacation pray god to make you fly there on the wing of an angel, you have a serious illness, don't go to the doctor, pray, you will heal, yeah.

    April 25, 2011 at 11:52 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @Science 1
      If even a small part of the money that is given to the churches that only scam people, would be invested in scientific research to promote longevity we could reverse aging and be healthy 30 something for ever. We could also improve conditions are the world defeat many different problems and bring wealth and prosperity to all mankind.
      "
      LOL! No , dear!... You must be dreaming of some utopian La-La-Land that could never exist..... Why, you can just look at our greed infested health care system, and our celebrated Capitalistic system as a whole, and you would face the reality, you would see that what you dream about could never happen.... The masses of people would still die, never getting no benefits of scientific advancements, and there would be only the fat cats of the wealthy class that remains living, in all the comforts and excess, lavishing their immortal bodies, while the poor languishes and dies thrown aside like dung on the streets of the ghettos of 3rd world countries.... Don't, o PLEASE don't tell me , that it isn't so! I don't give money to any church, but tho those Christian ministries that he;p the poor and opressed... But I tell you the truth I would rather give the mm to the drunks, low lifers, and dirty hobos, then giving it to research that will benefit the wealthy overfed, capitalist fat cats who don't give a #$%# for no one else but themselves, and what they can grab for themselves, regardless whom they hurt!
      The truut is, man is corrupt, and if the time went on, and if man would by any chance gainn knowledge ,make himself immortal, he would make such hell on this earth, that the earth herself would convulse of evil that ;s walking upon it. But I thank our Creator, my God who it the Lord of all creation, that He has a better plan . And His plan, and His truth is not depended on any man's opinion. I rejoice at what He has for those who love and know Him.....Blessed Lord forever!

      April 26, 2011 at 12:44 am |
    • crucified

      @q same could be said about evolution and the big bang theory...unproven theories that use theory mechanism for basis of arguement..

      April 26, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
  14. Reality

    Revelation 6: 15 -17 (Part of the Rapture legend):

    "Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[g] wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”

    And what some very educated fellows had to say about the Book of Revelation:

    "Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[30] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [31]

    Martin Luther "found it an offensive piece of work" and John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."[32]

    April 25, 2011 at 11:51 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Here we go again Reality. Ingersoll, Jefferson, Luther and Calvin were born and died before the end generation came to pass (that's your generation Reality). Therefore, of course the book of Revelation didn't make sense to them. It would be as if you tried to explain a computer, microwave, CDs and CD players to them. None of them at the time they lived would comprehend anything you mentioned and argue that it didn't make sense.

      Speaking of not making sense. Why do you keep posting this same argument over and over again without accepting my, or any other Christians explanation of true answers?

      Amen.

      April 26, 2011 at 9:46 am |
  15. Science1

    And you know what I pray that all your christians are raptured, in fact, why to wait May 21st, I pray you raptured tomorrow. Can I have your house, car and bank account?

    April 25, 2011 at 11:43 pm |
    • Crucified

      I never said anything about the rapture... I am a premellinalist post trib.. I would explain but you would not care to hear.

      April 25, 2011 at 11:46 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Why pretend that you're a nice guy asking for those things? Let your true colors come out and just take them as you smile at the person you conned as you're bobbling along down the road.

      Amen.

      April 26, 2011 at 9:36 am |
    • crucified

      @Heavensent thanks for the assistance.....Jesusfreaker thought I was you..read back on I think p24

      April 26, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
  16. Science1

    Crucified, it is you that pray for stuff. I don't need to. Stay with your ignorance, let's see how it serves you.

    April 25, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
    • Crucified

      It has served me well, Thank You...

      April 25, 2011 at 11:43 pm |
    • Crucified

      I hope your cosmic burp serves you well.... say goodnight to aunt chipanzee and uncle red tail monkey for me..

      April 25, 2011 at 11:44 pm |
    • Jesusfreaker

      Crucified,

      You have a reply on p.24

      Take care.

      April 25, 2011 at 11:47 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Science1, why do you scoff at zombies when you are the spiritually dead walking among us?

      Amen.

      April 26, 2011 at 9:33 am |
  17. Science1

    I cannot stand people that claim: you cannot prove god doesn't exists so your non believers have the same standing than the people that do. It is that simple. LOL. Imagine if I was a politician and said we have to triple our defense budget because you cannot prove we are going to attacked by a hoard of flesh eating zombie in the near future. LOL. Can you see that the claim of existence of god has the same value of the zombie threat? People are wasting money, energy, time, killing other people in the name of something that cannot be proven. Like the zombies, the elves, Santa Claus. How these things given that cannot be proven not to exists make them less unreal?

    April 25, 2011 at 11:39 pm |
    • Crucified

      It is past your bed time.

      April 25, 2011 at 11:42 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I find it amazing that none of you care that you will no longer exist after the Day of the Lord. Down to the eternal flames, blotted out. No eternity for you. As you all chuckle and scoff, not believing Truth from our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

      Amen.

      April 26, 2011 at 9:11 am |
    • Nonimus

      I find it amazing that Christian don't care about spending eternity in Hades as opposed to the Elysium.
      ... about spending their next life as a grasshopper as opposed to Nirvana.
      ... about spending eternity in Niflheim as opposed to Valhalla.
      ...

      April 26, 2011 at 5:58 pm |
  18. Science1

    Because religions are a scam ! This why we need to denounce their idiocy. If a company created a billboard claiming on May 21 the price of their product would be reduced by 90 % and comes the day they would not do that, they would be sued to non -existence. Why normal people don't put up with scams like this one in other areas of life but when it comes to religion so many people believe the most absurd things?

    April 25, 2011 at 11:31 pm |
    • Crucified

      You are an angry athiest....You did not get the pony you prayed for?

      April 25, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
    • Crucified

      Actually scientist that promote evolution, big bang and other non sense are the ones that are absurd.. all this so they can keep there university jobs and that their false degrees because if people found out they would lose their crediability........and their jobs..

      April 25, 2011 at 11:37 pm |
    • Observer

      @Crucified
      "Actually scientist that promote evolution are absurd"

      Just because your idea of science is talking snakes doesn't say a lot.

      April 25, 2011 at 11:45 pm |
    • Alan

      @Crucified....thank you for exposing the scam. Let it be known that every biologist around the world has dedicated their life to the big evolutionary lie to keep their University jobs and false degrees.

      They will all burn on May 21st

      April 25, 2011 at 11:55 pm |
    • Crucified

      Not all evolutionist believe in it... you made an absolutist comment..therfore falsifing your statement.. biologist tend to mix adaptation an evolution to the same tone knowing transitional species are not in the fossil record... there should be Thousands....Thousands...

      April 25, 2011 at 11:58 pm |
    • Q

      @Crucified – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

      April 26, 2011 at 12:20 am |
    • Crucified

      @Q 90% on your link is presuposition of what they believe it to be...and the rest cater to adaptation more than evolution... hard shell with no flesh in the details.. cephlapods look the same etc... there is still no missing link..and again you should find Millions of Dead things that have this transition.. This arguement goes and flows both ways..

      April 26, 2011 at 12:28 am |
    • Q

      @Crucified – If you cared to investigate a little further, you would find that these species exhibit intermediate features between various classifications and perhaps more importantly, are found in the fossil record in appropriate strata. Science isn't searching for a "missing link", rather morphological intermediates that connect divergent groups. There are plenty of examples, and unless you are a comparative anatomist, I wouldn't base any final opinions on your cursory perusal of the list and it's images.

      But beyond this, we have molecular transitional fossils throughout our own genomes. Again, I refer you to our defunct gene for egg yolk protein. There are literally thousands of examples, e.g.: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9461395

      April 26, 2011 at 12:41 am |
    • crucified

      @q the fossil record is woefully incomplete.[1] Ideally, this list would only recursively include 'true' transitionals, fossils representing ancestral specie from which later groups evolved, but most, if not all, of the fossils shown here represent extinct side branches, more or less closely related to the true ancestor.[2] They will all include details unique to their own line as well. Fossils having relatively few such traits are termed "transitional", while those with a host of traits found neither in the ancestral or derived group are called "intermediate". From the link you sent...Ha hA..

      April 26, 2011 at 12:44 am |
    • crucified

      q What upsets me is that biologist have used word trickery to throw intermediate links combined by guess who biologist.. but they use so called intermediate links for missing links which is deceptive.. as you did by saying that this site shows transitional species.. They are not true transitional species and all is conjecture. much of this science in the field of biology is conjecture. with the hidden motive of needing a Grant..and to keep their fellowship.

      April 26, 2011 at 12:49 am |
    • Q

      @Crucified – Again, you fail to see the relevance of the forms and their support for evolution. Whether the forms are within a direct lineage to downstream lines or are present in branching lineages which ultimately led to extinction, and whether we classify them as "transitional" or "intermediate" based on their morphological characteristics in light of these lineages, the evidence indicates the morphologies did in fact exist and that they existed in the right anatomical structures and in the right geological context. No one familiar with fossils and fossilization would ever expect a perfect record of all lineages leading directly to extant species today.

      But again, that these morphological features are concordant not only with the expected geologic strata, but are also concordant with phylogenetic evidence demonstrating common ancestry is strong evidence indicating evolution.

      April 26, 2011 at 1:00 am |
    • crucified

      @Q Indicate is not proof. There should be thousands of true transitional species.. and there is not.. Only thoughts of what would look like. Darwin even said his theory! was false if they did not find them! indicating many!

      April 26, 2011 at 1:10 am |
    • Q

      @Crucified – "Proof" is only available in formal logic and mathematics. Science deals in evidence and probability and the acc-umulated, concordant physical evidence from every relevant scientific discipline indicates (yes, indicates, as in high probability) evolution. Darwin's quote is nearly 170 yrs old and yes, we have found many, many forms displaying morphologies bridging previously distinct lineages since then. What is perhaps more notable is that the fossil record displays a distinct progressive order, i.e. we don't find humans alongside dinosaurs, we don't find rabbits in pre-Cambrian strata. Understanding that the fossil record will forever be incomplete, that we have those referenced in the wiki list (in addition to others) is strong evidence, particularly when compared to a complete lack of anything resembling concordant physical evidence for special creation and claims, such as yours, that they simply don't exist.

      April 26, 2011 at 1:27 am |
    • The Middle

      "Understanding that the fossil record will forever be incomplete, that we have those referenced in the wiki list (in addition to others) is strong evidence, particularly when compared to a complete lack of anything resembling concordant physical evidence for special creation and claims, such as yours, that they simply don't exist."

      Q please have my babies.

      Crucified, scientists give out assumption or sometimes discoveries and facts based on true findings. How can you say its absurd or misleading when religion give out assumptions based on nothing?

      April 26, 2011 at 1:55 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Sociopaths, psychopaths, anti-social personalities that go against society's norm.

      Thanks for blogging and keeping your kind in the forefront of everyone's mind.

      Amen.

      April 26, 2011 at 9:08 am |
    • Know What

      @HeavenSent,
      "Sociopaths, psychopaths, anti-social personalities that go against society's norm."

      Listen, Toots, brilliant Galileo was imprisoned and banned from publishing his writings by going against "society's (dictated by the ignorant, arrogant Church) norms". That "heretic" dared to as.sert that the Sun didn't revolve around the Earth, and that the Earth wasn't the center of the Universe. Other "heretics" who claimed this fact were even put to death ( eg.,Giordano Bruno - burned at the stake). Socrates was sentenced to death for "failing to acknowledge the gods that the city acknowledges."

      Your hayseed diagnosis of sociopathy is not accepted.

      April 26, 2011 at 2:05 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Q,
      Well said!

      April 26, 2011 at 5:43 pm |
  19. Crucified

    Hebrew Translated English
    Adam Man
    Seth (is) Appointed
    Enosh Mortal
    Kenan Sorrow
    Mahalael The Blessed God
    Jared Shall Come Down
    Enoch Teaching
    Methuselah (that) His Death Shall Bring
    Lamech The Despairing
    Noah Rest
    a straight Geneology from Adam to Noah explaining the Plan of Salvation written in scripture at least 600 years before Christ Birth

    April 25, 2011 at 11:26 pm |
    • Earl Butz

      Well, I'm convinced. Time to sell all my stuff. JESUS IS A'COMIN'!

      April 26, 2011 at 6:54 am |
  20. Victor

    Hello, Judgment Day is May 21, 2011 (in 25 days) http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/may21 http://www.familyradio.com/ http://www.biblecalculator.com/ http://www.may212011.com/ http://www.the-latter-rain.com/ http://www.wecanknow.com/ http://www.may212011.com Now is the time to cry out to God for mercy!

    April 25, 2011 at 10:30 pm |
    • Observer

      @Victor,

      PLEASE get back to religious blogs on May 22 so we can hear what went wrong. We will all want to hear from you.

      April 25, 2011 at 10:46 pm |
    • Fnord

      Hello, you're being fooled again ... Faith Proves Nothing!

      April 26, 2011 at 12:38 am |
    • Estevan

      Victor...I sincerely hope all you people are just joking and pulling some sort of publicity stunt.

      EVERYONE who believes the world will end in May 2011 is a deluded fool.

      The world will NOT end.

      I hope the rest of humanity will turn and laugh at these idiots on May 22nd.

      April 26, 2011 at 6:04 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Victor, are you a wolf in sheep's clothing aka a non-believer posting as a Christian?

      Amen.

      April 26, 2011 at 9:22 am |
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