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April 27th, 2011
06:58 AM ET

Pope John Paul II's blood to be shown at beatification

By Hada Messia and Richard Allen Greene, CNN

(CNN) - Blood taken from the late Pope John Paul II will be used Sunday as the Vatican declares him "blessed," the last step before sainthood, the Catholic Church announced.

The blood will be on display as a relic for Catholic faithful to venerate at the beatification ceremony, the Vatican said this week.

Special relic holders have been made for two small glass bottles of John Paul's blood, the church said.

Pope Benedict XVI will preside Sunday over the beatification at St. Peter's, an event expected to draw hundreds of thousands of Catholic faithful to Rome.

Benedict ruled that his predecessor should be beatified after a nun suffering from Parkinson's disease said she was cured after sisters in her order prayed to John Paul II.

Doctors took the from the pope before he died in 2005, the Vatican said in a statement Monday.

Medical staff wanted it for possible transfusions during what turned out to be the pope's final illness, but John Paul died without using it, the church said.

The blood was divided into four small bottles, two of which were kept by John Paul's secretary Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz and two of which remained at the Bambino Gesu hospital in Rome, the Vatican said.

One of the hospital's ampules will be on display on Sunday and will then enter the Vatican's "sacrarium," while the other will stay at the hospital.

The blood is still liquid because doctors added anti-coagulents to it when it was taken.

The Catholic tradition of venerating saints' physical remains - known as relics - dates back to the earliest days of the church.

With the beatification Sunday, John Paul II will not become a saint, but will be one step below it, and will be known as the Blessed John Paul II. The Vatican would have to credit him with a second miracle for him to be declared a saint.

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Catholic Church • Christianity • Italy • Pope Benedict XVI • Pope John Paul II • Vatican

soundoff (269 Responses)
  1. coder

    i wonder how many catholic saints were actually pedophiles?

    Hey, its a legitimate question......

    April 27, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • chief

      if you aska a catholic.... none. they were never caught

      April 27, 2011 at 6:33 pm |
  2. ProudToBeCatholic

    I believe in one holy Catholic and Apostolic church when Jesus said to Peter that upon this rock you will build my church and the gate of hell will not overcome it.

    April 27, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
    • Artist

      ProudToBeCatholic

      I believe in one holy Catholic and Apostolic church when Jesus said to Peter that upon this rock you will build my church and the gate of hell will not overcome it.

      ================================

      And Peter asked, "God, can I have the little boys." And God said, "Yes, do as you will with them in my name."

      April 27, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
    • coder

      you must be so very proud of the damage felt today from the crusades your church inflicted upon the world back then

      April 27, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
    • Ed

      @coder that was a thousand years ago its time to let the crusades go. The church as admitted it was wrong.

      April 27, 2011 at 4:34 pm |
    • Up Your Rear Admiral™ ® ©

      But Ed said "git" just yesterday. He did he did he did. Check it. He went all ad hominem.

      April 27, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
  3. Maryjo

    The tradition of man is what have a lot of people in ERROR AND TROUBLE today.

    April 27, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
    • gerald

      Ya, it's called the 30,000 protestant denominations that each teach different and conflicting theology. Once Saved Always Saved vs. Arminianism, vs. Predestination vs. Free Will. Pre-trib, post Trib, no-trib, amil, post mill, no mill. Constubstantiation, symbolic lords supper, spiritual lords supper, real prescence.... Shall I go on and on and on. Luther said "there are more theologies than there are heads when he saw the genie in the bottle he had opened.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
    • chief

      well well gerald the priest and defender of pedafiles has an opinion to blast Christians. Your gonna ridicule Christians? and your catholic? my side hurts.... so 10 our fathers and 10 hail marys and pay penance to the dead.... oh yeah thats your job to tell people that priest

      April 27, 2011 at 6:32 pm |
  4. Reality

    Putting the final nail into the Great Resurrection Con Game: (and the sainthood of JPII)

    From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

    Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

    To wit;

    From a major Catholic university's theology professor's grad school white-board notes:

    "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
    Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

    Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

    Also in Paul in 1 Cor 15 speaks of the body of the dead as transformed into a "spiritual body." No one knows exactly what he meant by this term since Jesus supposedly appeared to many after his "resurrection".

    Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

    The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

    Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

    It is amazing how this agrees with Professor Crossan and the Jesus Seminarian's conclusions based on attestations and stratums.

    See http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php/017_Resurrection_of_Jesus for added details

    Then there is this:

    "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
    http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

    The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

    Of course, we all know that angels are really mythical "pretty, wingie, talking thingies".

    With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

    An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,

    p.4

    "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

    o p.168. by Ted Peters:

    "Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

    So where are the bones? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

    As per Professor Gerd Luedemann,

    "While noting that the burial tradition may be simply a postulate "derived from the fact of Jesus' death or knowledge of Jewish purity concerns" rather than the memory of an historical event, Luedemann's own preference, influenced in part by John 19:31-37 and Acts 13:20, is that Jesus was buried by Jews who were not his followers. There was no act of affection or devotion involved in the disposal of his remains. His body was simply removed from the cross and buried in some unknown location by Jewish people wishing to protect the imminent festival from the desecration of a dead body remaining on the cross over night."

    April 27, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
    • gerald

      Reality,

      Get over yourself. I don't think anyone reads your longwinded, name dropping, dump trucking, redherring posts.

      April 27, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
    • Reality

      Updating gerald's knowledge with a prayer:

      The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians during the past 200 years)

      I might believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created state of bliss called heaven.

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary.

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
      ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen

      April 27, 2011 at 8:18 pm |
  5. ProudToBeCatholic

    It's a tradition. What if I mock your family, religion or culture tradition, make fun of it, and call names on your father, mother, brothers or sisters. Do not judge if you don't want to be judged!

    April 27, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
    • Artist

      If you have thin skin then I might suggest you pray for strength. If you do not like your church being judged, then perhaps you should hold your leadership accountable, anything less is supporting it. The world will continue to judge your church and its leadership and I suspect you will keep supporting their actions. Also do not think you are your family would be important enough or relevent enough to even mock.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      Someone needs to reread Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery" before declaring tradition to be sacrosanct.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
    • Artist

      Sean, no reason to use fancy words here.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:15 pm |
    • Buckminster Fullerene

      I like to be judged, especially by someone in one of those black dress thingys.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @ProudToBeCatholic
      Just because something is deemed "traditional", that doesn't somehow exempt it from criticism.
      Female genital mutilation would be one example.
      In Timor-Leste, women spend three months next to an open fire with their child, often causing infant asthma and other problems stemming from smoke inhalation.
      In countries like Pakistan, there is a tradition called "vani" in which girls as young as 4 are forced into marriage.
      In Solapur, India, parents drop their infants from a 15 meter high tower in a religious shrine to make then grow up strong.

      But I guess since lots of people have been doing these things for a long time, everybody else should refrain from commenting and let these folk injure women and children, right?

      April 27, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @Artist: My bad.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
    • ProudToBeCatholic

      Right or wrong in tradition is just a matter of opinion. It's like saying rice should be the main nutrition instead of bread. It may be true in eastern culture but not in western culture. So, who has the right to say this church is better than other or this man commits more sin than others. You can see the dust in someone's body but not the stone in your eye. How is it your opinion is more correct than mine? Why should I believe you not the others? Beside, One bad apple does not represent the entire church. So mine your own business if you don't want me stick on yours.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
    • Artist

      ProudToBeCatholic

      One bad apple does not represent the entire church. So mine your own business if you don't want me stick on yours.

      -----------------–

      Actually, the big apple (pope) did represent yoru church. The CEO, the big enchilada, numeral uno #1 and while under his watch he allowed, supported and condoned ra pe and cover up. His hands were dirty with the sins he allowed to go on. The followers support and condone the rap as well by their continued support. Your "family" is what it is..deal with it.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @ProudToBeCatholic
      So you're saying that so long as it is a long standing religious rite, it is perfectly A-OK to cauterize a pre-adolescent girl's cli.toris and marry her off to a man 30 years her senior?
      Giving tacit approval to the mutilation and se'xual exploitation of children is just like chosing rice over bread to the devoted Catholic, it seems.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
    • Ed

      Hey Proud calm down some. Most of these guys don't get our traditions some judge them other just make fun of them lets not start any religious wars over it though. I agree some of them are being jerks but at the same time some of the comments are a little funny. God created humor too so lets have some about our faith.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
    • Artist

      Ed

      Hey Proud calm down some. Most of these guys don't get our traditions some judge them other just make fun of them lets not start any religious wars over it though. I agree some of them are being jerks but at the same time some of the comments are a little funny. God created humor too so lets have some about our faith.

      -----

      Ed, you are catholic!!!!!!!! This changes everything..I have to be rude to you now. j/k
      .
      I am like a machine, they keep feeding me quarters.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
    • Ed

      some traditions are wrong some are not genital mutilation should be stopped but the eucharist or using catacombs to intern the dead. I think even if you don't follow these customs you can respect those that do or at least live and let live.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
    • ProudToBeCatholic

      The pope is human and he has limitation. He's also the servant of the lord. Yes, you could say he is the CEO but he's neither king nor dictator and priests who work for him are not robot and they are all sinner. We don't know why thing happens but thing happens for reason. I'm sure there are also filthy things occurred in other churches which involve the pastor and congragation ministries (pedophiles and thief alike). So, don't judge the book by its cover. At the end we are all sinners.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • Ed

      @Proud Our leaders really scr ew ed up on the pedophilia problem. You can not deny this. I agree its not fair for every one to keep claiming all priests do it. But the church should have handled it much better. The leaders betrayed their duty and the congregation as a whole. No we have to take our lumps. That included John Paul II the leaders all of them should have done a better job.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
    • Artist

      Ed

      @Proud Our leaders really scr ew ed up on the pedophilia problem. You can not deny this. I agree its not fair for every one to keep claiming all priests do it. But the church should have handled it much better. The leaders betrayed their duty and the congregation as a whole. No we have to take our lumps. That included John Paul II the leaders all of them should have done a better job.

      ---–

      Perhaps if they had been more transparent in the handling of the ra p e cases and ex po sed everything...put it all on the table? Whenyou think integrity, you would think the leadership of one of the big gest churches would come to mind. When it does not, it is very revealing. Perhaps my lack of trust has also to do with being familiar/as sociated with what we are talking about.

      On a side note, I do appreciate what the catholic church has and does in the form of charities and helping the needy.

      April 27, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • Ed

      @Artist, I appreiciate your being willing to give credit where it is due on the charity fron. I agree when you think intergrity you would think the Catholic church would be a leader in that and church really, but we are discussing the catholics. They should have handled it better. That lack the intergrity and the guts to due it right. Now we the catholic congregation need to call them to the mat on it so the do better in the future. the church exist to lead us towards God they can't do that by behaving badly. Sorry proud but they have to be accountable for this mistake.

      April 27, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
    • Ed

      @ Artist

      Perhaps my lack of trust has also to do with being familiar/as sociated with what we are talking about.

      If I'm reading that statement correctly then all I can say is I'm sorry

      April 27, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
    • Artist

      Ed

      @ Artist

      Perhaps my lack of trust has also to do with being familiar/as sociated with what we are talking about.

      If I'm reading that statement correctly then all I can say is I'm sorry

      -----

      Ed, dont feel sorry, rather make sure justice is served. Speak out and hold your leaders accountable.

      April 27, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
    • Ed

      @Artist Hopefully they cau ght the sc um and his being pun ished preferably ex ecu ted

      April 27, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
  6. Sandi

    Do Catholics even read the Bible?

    John 14:6
    "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
    Not through Mary, the so called "saints" or popes-only through Jesus! And Jesus' blood is the ONLY blood that has the power to heal. Why would Jesus, the Son of God, have to DIE a most horrific and humiliating death and shed his own blood if the blood of just anyone MAN deemed worthy could be elevated to the same status??? It's a mockery of the very thing CHRISTIANITY stands for. The REAL church ought to be fighting mad-I certainly am. This is yet another form of idolatry practiced by the evil that is the Catholic church. Why not use their resources to investigate and oust the priests and other church officials who have abused thousands of children?!?

    April 27, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • Artist

      SeanNJ

      @Doc Vestibule: No, they drink "blood" too. It used to be reserved solely for the priests, and communion only consisted of the wafer, but that changed sometime in the 70's or 80's, I think. I just remember at some point we didn't get any, and then one day we did.

      -----–
      I hope they put a stake in his heart to make sure.

      April 27, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
    • Artist

      bobgeeks

      Excellent point Artist! Never occured to me, but yeah, c'mon Jezuz, what about amputees? A little harder to pull off m'thinks...

      ---–

      The less va g ue the miracle, the greater chance of never happening. Keep it va g ue, the masses can accept easier and run with it in their imagination.
      .
      IN JESUS NAME HEAL THE AMPUTEES!
      .
      I am waiting quietly.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:02 pm |
  7. bobgeeks

    Um yeah, right. When Jezuz cures my Dad of Parkinsons too I'll start believing...

    April 27, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • Artist

      When god heals amputees I will start believing. Can you believe there is not one recorded case of god healing an amputee. Come on god, make their arm grow back!

      April 27, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
    • bobgeeks

      Excellent point Artist! Never occured to me, but yeah, c'mon Jezuz, what about amputees? A little harder to pull off m'thinks...

      April 27, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
    • Artist

      Ed

      The doctors took it before he died in case he needed a transfusion. After he died they turned it into a relic but it was taken for a possible medical need

      -----

      Hmmm they didnt have much faith in their god it sounds like.

      April 27, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
    • Ed

      @Artist, first time you talk to me in a week and its snarky really

      Just to point out the catholics respect medical science they don't say prayer will cure all its not a olack of faith in God just adding some common sense too

      April 27, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
    • Artist

      Ed

      @Artist, first time you talk to me in a week and its snarky really

      Just to point out the catholics respect medical science they don't say prayer will cure all its not a olack of faith in God just adding some common sense too

      ---------

      Ed, wasnt directed at you personally, rather the idea they kepthis blood for a possible transfusion. We are talking about Uno numeral rep for god. I would think him of all people would have 100% faith in his god and let the chips fall where they would. So no, I wasnt directing my sarcasm at you. Hope this explains.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
    • Ed

      @Artist, didn't really take it personally sorry should have commented on it at all. I can take my share of good natured ribbing its the mean spirited stuff that gets old. Any way I get your point but letting the chips fall were they may should not mean don't seek medical help when necessary. Heaven helps tey that help themselves idea. I you're seek see a doctor not a priest. If your dying see a priest for last rights.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:08 pm |
    • Artist

      Ed

      If your dying see a priest for last rights.
      -----

      Now Ed, I would be out of my mind if I asked to see a priest. God help me if I ever do. Did I just say that? How about SOMEBODY save me if I do. lol

      April 27, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
    • Ed

      @Artist Ok I'll see a priest and ask God for forgiveness he knows I need it. You see a friend go and pet the dog goodbye fair enough

      April 27, 2011 at 3:18 pm |
  8. chief

    At what point would someone say when some has passed away, "hey lets get some of their blood?" or at what point this this seem sane?

    April 27, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
    • Artist

      I wonder if it is all clogged up and goo eeeeee

      April 27, 2011 at 2:19 pm |
    • Ed

      The doctors took it before he died in case he needed a transfusion. After he died they turned it into a relic but it was taken for a possible medical need

      April 27, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
    • RTFA (Read The F***ing Article)

      "Doctors took the from the pope before he died in 2005, the Vatican said in a statement Monday."

      Oh, and I think most Medical Examiners and Morticians do that very thing.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
  9. Crumbs for the laity

    Let's all take blood from every Catholic by force and display it proudly.
    Or we can wait until they are dead and do it then.
    And body parts make a good display, too. If anyone doesn't like it they should be burned alive at the stake for heresy.
    Heck, let's just kill everyone and swim in their blood – oh,wait, there wouldn't be anyone left but God to see the error of his ways.
    God should repent of his evil. Or maybe he did and killed himself long ago in remorse and that's why no one can find any proof of him anywhere.

    April 27, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
  10. Artist

    hmmmm rosy cheeks, apparently the pop had a drinking problem. He looks like an old drunk guy.

    April 27, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
  11. Artist

    Wow................catholics support child r a p e and are also vampires. ewww

    April 27, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Artist
      They're cannibals, not vampires!

      April 27, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @Doc Vestibule: No, they drink "blood" too. It used to be reserved solely for the priests, and communion only consisted of the wafer, but that changed sometime in the 70's or 80's, I think. I just remember at some point we didn't get any, and then one day we did.

      April 27, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      I just find the ritual cannibalism, drowning and genital mutilation to be a tad odd.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:03 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @Doc: Not sure about the genital mutilation thing. I assume you're talking about circ.umcision. That's Judaism, not Catholicism, although most American males my age were circ.umcised as infants for "hygienic" purposes, not religious reasons.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:12 pm |
    • Maybe

      SeanNJ,

      I know I'm going off-topic; but there was a great article in the SFGate yesterday about a proposed ban on circ.umcision:
      http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/cityinsider/detail?entry_id=87788

      Get a load of the costumes 🙂

      April 27, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
  12. Molly, NYC

    Does the Holy Father have any idea how creepy that is?

    April 27, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
  13. Mark

    If you start your "science" discussion saying your "science" was started by a magic man in the sky, you are NOT a scientist. Philosophy is mostly a bunch of B.S. made up by people with too much time on their hands. Just like one "philosopher can B.S. on a topic, so can I too B.S. my own B.S. on the very same topic and my B.S. would be just as valid as their B.S.

    April 27, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
  14. Dan613

    I'm gonna puke! Catholics eat their "god" and drink his "blood" (supposedly), although it is just a type of bread and wine. But they make the mumble jumble and voila! their "god" is right there on the table. With that mentality, no wonder what they do with their "saints", their bones,and their blood. It is just disgusting. Christianity is a crazy religion.

    April 27, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
    • bornacatholicgirl

      All Christians take communion, not just Catholics. Food is a symbol in most religions. It's not morbid or sickening. It is simply a part of the tradition. Now, I was born Catholic, don't think for a second that I believe in all that's preached. Every religion was started by man...so it's honestly all smoke and mirrors no matter what the idolatry is for.

      April 27, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
  15. Scathing

    They should cut out his sphincter and display it as a sign of his faith.
    Surely he received more "instruction" through that orifice than any other.

    April 27, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
  16. HeavenSent

    I like to copy and paste bible quotes in here. I want people think Im smart.

    Amen.

    April 27, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
  17. P M Beyer

    The Catholic church needs to come out of the Dark Ages. The pope is just another animal of the "human kind" he's no more special than any other human animal. As I learned in all my science classes blood is a contagion, and since this is no longer the 15th century we are unamused. This is why the church preys on the uneducated. We are no longer mystified by smoke and mirrors, and magic does not exist. There are no saints, and all humans are equal. We are made of water and cells and we die like any other animal.

    April 27, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
  18. Big T Aquinas

    Wow. Talk about having false idols to worship. Sick, creepy, and absolutely no different than Thugs that drank the blood of the fallen for their Prana, or cannibals in Borneo consuming the spirits of their enemies by eating the dead. In the West it is Eucharist-consuming Christians who eat the transmogrified flesh and blood of their "god." Creepy and sick and totally backward. Just because the West has indoor plumbing doesn't mean the rituals are any different than their dirt-worshipping, people-eating cousins. Christians are phuckin' Chrazy.

    April 27, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
    • Ed

      Ok I agree its a litle weird and I don't thinks its necessary but they aren't drink his blood just saving it. I don't think thats quite on the same level as the cannibals

      April 27, 2011 at 2:00 pm |
    • Big T Aquinas

      Hey Ed! The preserving of the relic is not cannibalism, but the Eucharist most certainly is a ritualized cannibalistic act akin to eating one's enemies for their power, digesting one's relatives to "Grok" them, or ingesting wine and a wheat thin because once it is ingested because the flesh and blood of a savior. The preserving of body or blood as a relic is an extension of the same reverence that a cannibal gives the flesh of the person consumed. The body and blood are "magik" and contain powers–whether temporal or spiritual–that persist after the person has expired. Same concept, marketed differently.

      April 27, 2011 at 2:12 pm |
    • chief

      re ed.... you know if a NORMAL person took the blood of one of their parents that passed, and then let say poured in on their tombstone on the deceased birthday, they would be evaluated for psychological problems.... but not the catholics... just nuts and we all know it...

      April 27, 2011 at 2:13 pm |
    • Ed

      @Big T I see your point and I have to agree that is a strange ritual. I idea is we are continuing his instructions at the last supper, but I can certainly understand why any one would think it strange to put it nicely

      April 27, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
  19. A reader

    What the hell is this?
    CNN posted this article:
    .
    Abuse crisis fuels debate over John Paul II’s legacy
    By John L. Allen, Jr., CNN Senior Vatican Analyst
    .
    And comments are closed! How is this deserving of being in this blog if there are no comments allowed to be made on it? What the F?

    April 27, 2011 at 12:56 pm |
    • Sam P.

      I read that article. A gushing apologist piece, so blatantly pro-pope it makes me want to puke. No wonder they aren't allowing comments on it.
      If this is what they keep this Catholic apologist on staff for, then CNN needs an enema. Why not just change the name to Fox News? Then it would let us know enough to avoid this place when we want real news.
      Hey editors! You'd better check yourselves. There's a real stink in here.

      April 27, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
    • Buckminster Fullerene

      That's easy. Mr. Allen, while an excellent writer, is permanently assigned to the Vatican, as a correspondent for CNN. He is also on the staff of the National Catholic Reporter. He HAS a dog in this fight. He is well aware of the HUGE amount of untapped anger and outrage any piece he would write on that subject would ignite. It appears he made a deal with the CNN editors that there would be no comments allowed to be posted on this article. Maybe he's been working at the Vatican too long, and their high handed, manipulative behaviors have rubbed off on him, and he's afraid of what they would hold him responsible for, in raising this matter in public. Ironic, as just yesterday, on these boards, I was recommending his book, The Future Church. Today it's "No talking back allowed, children". Oh well. Another idol falls.

      April 27, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
    • Jose Sanchez

      It's funny this blog is so pro religion. From the comments, it clearly doesn't reflect the opinions of its readers.

      April 27, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
  20. bornacatholicgirl

    I view relics more of a history than of a thing to worship, Catholics don't actually worship relics. Just as we look to the tomb of King Tut and study him and the life he led, many of the relics in the Catholic church are from ages past and just bring a sense of history to the faith. They are not worshiped, as much as they are regarded with respect, in the same manner as you would respect the grave of one of your relatives,

    April 27, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
    • Dan613

      Sorry girl, I don't incense or light candles, or kneel , or pray, or sacrifice to my dead relatives. NO. You seem to be confused. Look what they do with their relics, saints, and virgins. Then talk. That is worshiping plain and simple.

      April 27, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • Ed

      @Dan613, We revere of saints and relics and I am assuming the virgin you mentioned is Mary. We do not worship them, we worship God. We pray to them, but the word pray means speak not worship. We speak to the saints to asked them to speak to God for us. Its the same idea as asking a friend to pray for you about someting. We do that too. We don't speak to relics some of us use them as a focus for some people it helps to be able to see something or touch something. As for the virgin Mary she's a saint so its back to speaking to saints. we believe the saints are with God in heaven and can help bring our concerns to him. We know we don't need to pray to them just to God. But it helps some people to have allies in prayer. I understand why some people confuse pray and worship, prayer is considered by some to be worship. Pray is a latin word and it trasnlates to speak so if you speak to some one you pray tyo some one. But worship is something more

      April 27, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
    • chief

      moron ... when my father died, i forgot to drain some of his blood and put on his tombstone.... idiot

      April 27, 2011 at 1:55 pm |
    • bornacatholicgirl

      @Chief, I certainly hope you were not calling me a moron. If you read what I wrote I never said anything about pouring blood on the tomb of anyone. The fact of the matter is, and I myself do not necessarily understand WHY they would have saved his blood, it was a piece of him...unfortunately in this case it is morbidly a piece of him. My parent's church has a relic from St. Padre Pio...it is simply a cloth that he used to tie around the palms of his hands. It has stains on it...supposedly blood stains, but the relic is not that part, it is the cloth itself, it is a piece of the history of the church now because the church is named for that saint. It is NOT worshiped. It is framed and held at the back of the church with a picture of Padre Pio next to it. It is historical, that's it. When my grandmother died I used to fondly look over the wedding ring set that she gifted to me before she died...that is a symbol I have of her, a relic, if you will...as I'm sure you have one of your father...THIS does not, and never will make me a moron!

      April 27, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
    • Artist

      Well I guess it is better than an ear or something.

      April 27, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
    • chief

      re ed.... after rereading what you had written about using relics ( statues, cloth or even blood in this case ), and your monkeying around with the word pray... dont give me the latin, how about greek and hebrew? and that mubo jumbo about praying to saints..... yes you are a moron.... if you can in any way go along with thie pope blood nonsense you are a moron

      April 27, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
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