May 4th, 2011
10:02 AM ET

Imam talks of bin Laden's death and beyond

Imam Johari Abdul-Malik taks with CNN about the reaction to Osama bin Laden's death, his burial at sea and what's to come.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Islam • Osama bin Laden

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  1. tuvia






    September 7, 2012 at 10:42 am |
  2. tuvia







    September 7, 2012 at 10:41 am |
  3. James Black


    June 2, 2011 at 7:34 pm |
  4. THOR


    May 17, 2011 at 6:55 pm |
  5. Muneef


    May 16, 2011 at 6:36 pm |
    • Muneef

      Old Investment was scapegoated for the sake of the new investment that is being created to replace it....!!!

      May 16, 2011 at 6:38 pm |
  6. Bucky Ball

    Thank you, Mr. Abdul-Malik for your reasoned comments here and on the air this past week.
    My concern about the Muslim community in the United States, and in the wider Western World, is that there seems to be no unified central group or spokesperson from which Americans, Muslims or otherwise, know they can get authentic public guidance, and opinion. So many times in the past 10 years, (for example, first on the occasion of the reporting of a Fatwa "against", (if that is even a correct use of that term), Salmon Rushdi, on the occasion of the publishing of his "Satanic Verses"), I have heard from many assorted sources, such as yourself, or on NPR, or CNN or whatever, indications that the actions of a few extremists, either here or abroad should not be taken as the authentic voice of the Muslim Community in general, yet I really don't know of any one person or place I can go to, (any obviously neither does the media), to get a serious reasoned comment. That seems to be serious failing. Could I suggest you folks get together and elect an attractive, media savvy, (hopefully accomplished academic or religious) person, who could, over time, be developed as that voice ? Just a suggestion. It may improve the image and perception of the Muslim Community in the West , and specifically the United States. Occasionally I hear things I really like from various men and women, such as youeself, but there needs to be a consistent, deliberate promotion of one central figure the media can turn to in times such as these, (dare I say such as the Pope), to whom the media can turn to condemn the actions and statements of those we sort of know instictively do not represent the beliefs of millions of Muslims in this country.

    May 5, 2011 at 6:21 am |
  7. rSquar3d

    The bottom line actually is this: no one, no religion (except maybe Buddhism, but that's debatable) is blameless. Let's not base it on the "holy" texts; that is subject to interpretation, and if that is the case, it cannot be debated logically.

    Yes, the Muslims, in the past, committed atrocities in the name of their religion. Now, it still occurs, but it would be wrong to generalize or stereotype people. I have Muslim friends, and they don't want to dominate or anything. The fact remains that there are different sides in a religion: extremists and moderates (and maybe many more sub-sides).

    On the other hand, Catholics/Christians/whatever you want to call them have had their own set of atrocities. Let us not forget the Inquisition, which had the Catholics engaging in torture, and for what reason? Not interrogation, or any logical reason; simply because those people DID NOT SHARE THEIR BELIEFS (the very same accusation Catholic radicals/extremists place upon Muslims). Let us note their crimes against human knowledge (the Middle Ages in the West, dominated by the Church, was the epitome of human unintelligence, at least for the masses and not the ruling/upper classes).

    No such thing such as innocent religion; even Buddhism, which is pacifist, involved some of their members committing suicide (i.e. self-immolation, during the Vietnam War). Don't condone other religions for what your own religion has done; such thinking and actions will only further the misunderstanding and conflict which Bin Laden was, and still is (at least for me), a symbol of.

    May 4, 2011 at 11:12 pm |
  8. GSA

    @Catherine- I don't think you understood what Maroof was saying. You are a Christian and yet you will lie as well when you take one line of a text and take it out of context and try and make a point. Either you're a troll or inbred, not sure which one.

    I have a bible as well, if I take it line by line and out of context then Christians are shown as horrible ppl as well.

    I sincerely hope you are not raising any kids, there are enough mor-ons in the US already.

    May 4, 2011 at 10:20 pm |
  9. Reality

    o More on the koranic passages and world domination:

    "Mohammed could not have known the size of the world, but several passages in the Koran show that he envisioned Islam dominating all of it, however large it might be: “He it is who sent his messenger . . . that he may cause it [Islam] to prevail over all religions´(Koran 9:33, M.M. Ali; see also 48:28 and 61:9). M.M. Ali designates these three passages as “the prophecy of the ultimate triumph of Islam in the whole world.”

    Mohammed’s successors, the caliphs, quoted passages like these to inspire Muslim armies as they advanced out of Arabia, imposing Islam by the sword upon a peacefully unsuspecting Middle East and North Africa, as I described in the previous chapter.

    Islamic armies, imbued with what Mohammed claimed was divine authorization, imposed Islam by force over vast areas, all the while extorting wealth from subjugated Jews and Christians to fund their ongoing conquests. As I noted, major defeats at Tours, France, in A.D. 732, and again at Vienna, Austria, in A.D. 1683, halted Islam’s attempt to take all of Europe by force. Gradually Islamic forces were forced to retreat from Europe, except for part of the Balkans. But Islam has again set its sights on a conquest of Europe and of European civilization, wherever the latter has spread to North and South America and other regions. Muslim strategists ask their followers, Why do we find in these modern times that Allah has entrusted most of the world’s oil wealth primarily to Muslim nations?

    Their answer: Allah foresaw Islam’s need for funds to finance a final politico-religious victory over what Islam perceives as its ultimate enemy: Christianized Euro-American civilization. So, Islam follows Nazism, fascism and communism as the world’s latest hostile takeover aspirant.

    Nazis, fascists and communists failed. Does Islam have a better chance at success? I believe it will flounder if we awaken to its threat in time; yet, if there is not adequate planned resistance, Islam does have a better chance of succeeding. Communism’s world takeover attempt was guaranteed to fail because its economic policy was naively contrary to human nature. Advocating the rubric What is mine is thine, and what is thine is mine, communism failed to see that human nature will not keep those two balanced propositions in equilibrium. Like a female black widow spider consuming her mate, the latter part of the formula makes a meal of the former, leading to the collapse of any system based upon that formula.
    In contrast, political systems do well if they can persuade people to adhere to What’s mine is mine and What’s thine is thine maxims.

    Only if a strong religious incentive is added does such an idealistic formula have any long-term chance. Even then success will be spotty. But communism (and Nazism, for that matter) excluded religion. And that mistake was the final nail eventually clamping a lid on communism’s coffin. Communism, on a historical scale, perished while still in its childhood.
    Islam is not repeating communism’s mistake. Mating political cunning and incredible wealth with religious zeal, Islam does have a chance to succeed and will succeed unless major parts of the Western world unite to take appropriate countermeasures. But many Western leaders, unable to believe that a mere religion could possible be a serious political threat, keep proclaiming themselves as Islam-friendly, reasoning that all religions are good-aren’t they?

    A Muslim strategist in Beverly Hills, California, declared several years ago, as quoted by a friend of mine: “Now that the struggle between Western democracies and international communism is winding down, it is time for the real and final struggle to begin, and we are going to win!” – Don Richardson

    May 4, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
    • Realty

      More copying and pasting Reality's Stupidity











      May 5, 2011 at 9:07 am |
  10. Catherine

    Yes Maroof,

    To get authentic and accurate quotes I had to use the Quran which I have studied. I also have a quran.
    So you can't say it is not in the Quran

    May 4, 2011 at 3:34 pm |
    • Fatimah

      @Catherine. I am pretty sure you are reading the Quran in English because when you read it in its original text . The text is arabic and the context or meaning of it is different. It would not matter if everyone proved to you that Islam is not what you or your books tell you what it "truly" is because your choose to stay in the pool of ignorance.

      May 11, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
  11. Catherine


    In a.d. 632, Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Asia Minor, North Africa, Spain, France, Italy, and the islands of Sicily, Sardinia, and Corsica were all Christian territories. Inside the boundaries of the Roman Empire, which was still fully functional in the eastern Mediterranean, orthodox Christianity was the official, and overwhelmingly majority, religion. Outside those boundaries were other large Christian communities — not necessarily orthodox and Catholic, but still Christian. Most of the Christian population of Persia, for example, was Nestorian. Certainly there were many Christian communities in Arabia.

    By a.d. 732, a century later, Christians had lost Egypt, Palestine, Syria, North Africa, Spain, most of Asia Minor, and southern France. Italy and her associated islands were under threat, and the islands would come under Muslim rule in the next century. The Christian communities of Arabia were entirely destroyed in or shortly after 633, when Jews and Christians alike were expelled from the peninsula.(6) Those in Persia were under severe pressure. Two-thirds of the formerly Roman Christian world was now ruled by Muslims.

    The attacks continued, punctuated from time to time by Christian attempts to push back. Charlemagne blocked the Muslim advance in far western Europe in about a.d. 800, but Islamic forces simply shifted their focus and began to island-hop across from North Africa toward Italy and the French coast, attacking the Italian mainland by 837. A confused struggle for control of southern and central Italy continued for the rest of the ninth century and into the tenth. In the hundred years between 850 and 950, Benedictine monks were driven out of ancient monasteries, the Papal States were overrun, and Muslim pirate bases were established along the coast of northern Italy and southern France, from which attacks on the deep inland were launched.

    Desperate to protect victimized Christians, popes became involved in the tenth and early eleventh centuries in directing the defense of the territory around them. READ THE REST OF HISTORY FOR YOURSELVES.

    May 4, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
  12. Catherine

    What nonsense, Imam. You know you are lying in keeping with the teachings of Islam. You are a very, very good Muslim.

    In the Quran Muhammad said: "Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; A LIE TO AN ENEMY, FOR WAR IS DECEPTION; or a lie to settle trouble between people" [Ahmad, 6.459. H] http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Lying_for_Islam_(taqiyya)

    You are trying to deceive ignorant people in the west by saying Muslims love Jesus. What nonsense.

    The Islamic Government of Pakistan was only following the teachings of Islam when they repeatedly said that they did not know the whereabouts of Osama. WAKE UP YOU WESTERN SOCIETIES.

    "I was ordered to fight the people until they say ‘there is no god but Allah, and his prophet is Muhammad'." Muhammad 632,
    Osama bin Laden said this in 2001.

    HE WAS A VERY DEVOUT Muslim and followed what Mohammad wrote in the Quran. All Muslims who calls themselves good Muslims follow these teachings. Please do not say it is a misinterpretation. Kill means kill in any language. To lie means to tell lies. Below are quotes with references from the Quran. You will see Osama just repeating Quranic verses.

    "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

    Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

    Bukhari (8:387) – Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah

    Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

    So Imam don't try to fool us. We too must not fool ourselves and and try to fool others with our ignorant and misguided political correctness and sophistry.

    Some people will be fooled some of the time but NOT ALL THE TIME. LET'S CALL A SPADE A SPADE.

    May 4, 2011 at 2:43 pm |
    • Maroof

      For dear Miss Catherine: your extraordinary effort at copying and pasting qoutes and Quranic verses out of context to paint Islam in bad name is commendable. Kindly follow the exact same misinformed mental inability to list out 'bad violence' of Christianity and i am pretty sure you will end up with a more grotesque list.

      May 4, 2011 at 3:22 pm |
    • Fatimah

      Insha'Allah ( God Willing) God will put you on the correct path of knowledge and let you see the true beauty in Islam and not stay in the state of ignorance that you are in. Just like Allah says in the Quran. Deaf , Dumb and Blind. I never knew that until reading some of these posts.

      May 11, 2011 at 10:36 pm |
  13. Muneef

    Interesting site although not related to the blog subject but could be a source of informations related to the Holy Quran....

    May 4, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
  14. Reality

    What's to come based on history: More of the following unless the koran is dramatically changed:

    A historical summary:

    The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

    ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

    and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

    and more recently

    1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

    1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

    2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

    3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,483 and 925 in non combat roles. 99,901 – 109,143 Iraqi civilians killed as of 3/3/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

    4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

    5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

    6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

    7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

    8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

    9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

    10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,141 killed in action, 242 killed in non-combat situations as of 03/03/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

    11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

    12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

    13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

    14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

    15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

    16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

    17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

    18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

    19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

    20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

    21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

    22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

    May 4, 2011 at 11:37 am |
    • Realty

      What's to come based on your idiocy:More of the following until you got a brain.

























      May 5, 2011 at 4:37 am |
    • Reality

      o The comments from this "Reality" are not from the original Reality. Unfortunately, the blog moderators still have not figured out how to restrict commentators' names to one no matter what the email address is. This is strange because such restrictions are in place on most blogs.

      May 5, 2011 at 7:20 am |
    • realDUmB

      @Reality..that's what you get copying and pasting babbles. You can't even (properly) read a single word.

      @Realty..you owned Reality BIG TIME! LOL!

      May 5, 2011 at 8:54 am |
    • CNNblogModerators

      Restriction not needed, Realty is apparently diffirent from Reality.

      You need glasses.

      May 5, 2011 at 8:58 am |
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