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My Take: How technology could bring down the church
May 15th, 2011
01:00 AM ET

My Take: How technology could bring down the church

Editor's Note: Lisa Miller, formerly the religion editor at Newsweek, is the author of “Heaven: Our Enduring Fascination with the Afterlife,” recently released in paperback.

By Lisa Miller, Special to CNN

This year marks the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible, and Bible publishers are ostentatiously commemorating the landmark by producing an abundance of gorgeous doorstops. Leather bound Bibles. Two-volume sets. Replicas of the 1611 version complete with “original” illustrations.

The hoopla is entirely justified, since the King James Bible revolutionized Bible reading, bringing Scripture into a common vernacular for the first time for the English-speaking world.

It is not too much to say that the King James Bible - mass produced as it was, thanks to a new technology called the printing press - democratized religion by taking it out of the hands of the clerical few and giving it to the many.

Today, another revolution in Bible reading is underway – one that has nothing to do with gilt-edged paper. If the King James Bible brought the Bible to the English-speaking masses, today’s technology goes a giant step further, making Scripture - in any language and any translation - accessible to anyone on earth with a smartphone.

Just like the 500-year-old Protestant Reformation, which was aided by the advent of the printing press and which helped give birth to the King James Bible, changes wrought by new technology have the potential to bring down the church as we know it.

In the face of church leaders who claimed that only they could interpret the Bible for the common people, Reformation leaders like Martin Luther taught that nothing supersedes the authority of the Word itself.

"A simple layman armed with Scripture,” Luther wrote, “is greater than the mightiest pope without it."

In that vein, digital technology gives users the text, plain and simple, without the interpretive lens of established authorities. And it lets users share interpretations with other non-authorities, like family members, friends and coworkers.

With Scripture on iPhones and iPads, believers can bypass constraining religious structures - otherwise known as “church” - in favor of a more individual connection with God.

This helps solve a problem that Christian leaders are increasingly articulating: that even among people who say that Jesus Christ is their personal Lord and savior, folks don’t read the Bible.

According to a 2010 survey, more than a third of born-again Christians “rarely or never” read the Bible. Among “unaffiliated” people - that is, Americans who don’t belong to a religious congregation - more than two thirds say they don’t read the Bible.

Especially among 18-to-29 year olds, Bible reading has come to feel like homework, associated with “right” interpretations and “wrong ones,” and accompanied by stern lectures from the pulpit.

Young Christians “have come to expect experiences that appear unscripted and interactive,” the Christian demographer Dave Kinnaman told the Christian magazine Charisma in 2009, “that allow them to be open and honest with their questions, that are technologically stimulating, that are done alongside peers and within trusted relationships.”

This yearning for a more unmediated faith - including Bible verses live in your pocket or purse 24/7, available to inspire or console wherever and whenever they’re needed - has met an enthusiastic embrace.

For growing numbers of young people, a leather-bound Bible sitting like an artifact on a stand in the family living room has no allure. It’s not an invitation to exploration or questioning.

Young people want to “consume” their spirituality the way they do their news or their music. They want to dip and dabble, the way they browse Facebook.

Thus the almost-insane popularity of Youversion, a digital Bible available for free on iTunes and developed by a 34-year-old technology buff and Christian pastor from Oklahoma named Bobby Gruenewald. He conceived of it, he told me, while on a layover at Chicago O'Hare International Airport, wishing he had a Bible to read.

“What we’re really trying to address is, how do we increase engagement in the Bible?” he said.

Now available in 113 versions and 41 languages, including Arabic, Youversion has a community component that allows users to share thoughts and insights on Bible verses with friends. It has been installed on more than 20 million smartphones since 2008.

On May 2, Youversion staged its own King James commemorative event: for 400 seconds, starting at noon, more than 10,0000 users logged on and read a portion of the Bible – King James translation, of course - a kind of 21st century Bible-reading flash mob.

Traditionalists worry that technology allows young believers to practice religion without committing to what in the south is called “a church home” - and they’re right.

I did a public Q&A with Michigan pastor Rob Bell on the eve of the publication of his new bestseller "Love Wins" and was astonished, during the book-signing that followed, at how many acolytes felt they knew Rob through his sermons, which they regularly downloaded off the internet, even though they had never met him. They hailed from places like Australia, South Africa and New Jersey.

They listen to Bell while they’re working out, or commuting to work. They get their religion - like their meals - on the run.

It is now possible to imagine the extinction of the family Bible, long given as a gift on graduation day or other big occasions and inscribed with special dates: births, marriages, deaths.

Instead, the Bible may someday exist exclusively online, with features that allow for personalization: Link to photos of weddings and baptisms! “Share” favorite verses!

When Bible study can be done on Facebook as easily as in the church basement, and a favorite preacher can teach lessons via podcast, the necessity of physically gathering each week in the same place with the same people turns remote.

Without a doubt, this represents a new crisis for organized religion, a challenge to think again about what it means to be a “body” of believers.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Lisa Miller.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Opinion • Technology

soundoff (1,564 Responses)
  1. Aaron

    Technology is not the problem. The problem is when it provides a superficial way to connect to people while simultaneously being a detriment to real human connections. The original churches described in Acts and through the Epistles met in people's homes and not only shared ideas, but also their possessions and helped each other through their struggles. Miller makes this point at the end of her article that this is what we may lose. Church is not just for us to grow as individuals in our ideas; it's also a place to grow in our giving of time and resources to others. It's also a place where sometimes you won't grow at all, but your example and service will help other believers grow. The gospel is not about head knowledge, but heart transformation.

    May 18, 2011 at 9:22 am |
  2. theoldadam

    Technology will not bring down the church. Nothing will.

    The gates of hell will not prevail against God and His purposes.

    But, in the process, many of us will be lost to the world, the flesh, and the devil.

    That's just the way it is.

    May 18, 2011 at 2:27 am |
  3. Bigstrat

    Ms. Miller seems to confuse the act of Bible study with full church community. I can't see how technological advances that make the Word more accessible is a threat to anything.

    May 17, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
  4. Eating as a Path to Yoga

    http://www.patheos.com/community/jesuscreed/2011/05/16/internet-bringing-down-the-church-lisa-miller/#more-16762

    Wow, Lisa has many errors in her piece.

    May 17, 2011 at 2:37 pm |
  5. Mitch

    I don't think the smartphone is really doing anything new here in terms of bringing the Bible out of the hands of the clergy and into the hands of the masses; that was accomplished decades ago with the prevalence and cheapness of individual Bibles. Technology might make it a tad easier, but there is no new "crisis" because of technology. However the church must deal with the issue of "lone Christians", looking to only their Bible and not a church home, this is not a new issue to the 21st century.

    May 17, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
  6. G

    @crucified you cannot prove God...

    May 17, 2011 at 12:50 pm |
  7. Reality

    What the technology of rapid and thorough historical and theological reviews is doing to Christianity:

    The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians during the past 200 years)

    I might believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven.

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
    ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen

    May 17, 2011 at 12:14 pm |
  8. someone

    uh, did we forget the Gutenburg bible????
    first bible ever printed?

    May 17, 2011 at 10:49 am |
  9. Worshiper of God

    I think religion is a very confrontational subject, of course everyone will believe what they want to believe. Fact of the matter is, most people that say the Bible is nothing but a storybook, or that is is written from 2000 years ago so it's not reliable, or that the words in the Bible really have no meaning...have not taken the time to study it in its entirety for themselves. They've gone off of what the church acts like or what the preacher or priest or whoever tells them. You can't argue a subject you don't know about until you've studied it thoroughly.
    There is prophecy in the Bible that has all come true, throughout history. But it's fake? How then can you believe a history book? You know things from history from written account right? You weren't there living it, you weren't a part of it. But you believe it based on the things that you've learned from OTHER people. Correct?
    There are other people even aside from the Bible that have written about Jesus being alive and performing miracles and being a good human being in general. Whether or not they believe He was the Savior, they still write about His life.
    How is that false? How are all the prophecies that have been fulfilled false?
    They're not.
    As the Bible says in Ephesians 4:5 There is "One church, one faith, and one baptism"
    Study it for yourselves.

    May 17, 2011 at 9:31 am |
    • Natalie

      I have studied, both the book itself and it's history. I've studied the time period, the people and societies in which the purported events took place.

      What I found was a book that tells the faith journey of a specific set of people. It is filled with allegory and metaphor, myth and legend, some of which is corroborated through independent sources, but most of it is not.

      There are no CREDIBLE outside sources for a single person named Jesus performing all of the acts and miracles attributed to him.

      May 17, 2011 at 11:29 am |
  10. juan carr

    the beauty of faith is that some things are true whether we believe it or not. and we all have faith we were created with a measure of it and faith produces hope when invested in the truth or the word, but the silly part is you 1st have to agree that you cant recieve this from the world aand admit youve tried and not only failed but have left Christ out in the process, not a priest or pastor or church but Christ,this is huge dont be side tracked into thinking just because anyone thinks they have this faith stuff down they can claim any glory not even Jesus did so He consantly pointed to the father and lets not forget the grace and humility part or character of Christ, John3;17 for I did not come to judge or condemn but that you may be saved through me, God is Awesome unlike us and each one of us is guilty of a sinful nature. The fruit of the spirit is exactly what it says it is, if we even tasted of this, one would be ignorant to think they could take any credit in this area but yet we particpate in trying to make faith work, Gods word makes it VERY clear ALL glory and honor is His He only can glorify Himself, hence the less of me more of Him, or when I am weak He is strong, or the cool part He who humbles himself will be exalted and he who exalts himself will be humbled. we are so screwed up as believers let alone none believers as the flesh wars against the spirit, so lets leave the God stuff (judging) to Him as He desires it to be. its all a way that the adversary detoures us from the issue at hand which is us, Gods word says to examine yourself daliy,were either having a personal relationship with God because were confident that we are smack in the center of His will OR were TAKING this relationship personal because others are not, Children of God lets get our act or (will in line with that of our Father God)we are so greiving the Holy Spirit, believe me God knows exactly what Hes doing unlike us, the question is do you agree. We dont know the end from the beginning He does, This whole what would Jesus do? His word says VERY clearly His ways are not our ways, Jesus already did everything thats why He stated it is finished so pretty much left up to us on the to do list and its called crucify or take EVERY thought captive, you know to die is gain this is why satan wants to keep us busy being Jesus only Jesus can be Jesus we come off as hypicrites or selfrightous when we do Jesus. thats why we are perishing we want to walk on water? were not even on the boat, we are missing the boat part, we are the vessel if we surrender our will to Him DAILY He will use us, this where the whole I can do all things through Christ who strentghens me part comes in because it is impossible not to judge others or to love your wife as christ loved the church,or to love God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself or to simply listen to God when hes trying to talk,the list goes on but God Is God lets start giving Him the fear and reverance He deserves He did make things happen for you today whether you beleive it or not

    May 17, 2011 at 12:53 am |
    • Another Larry

      "the beauty of faith is that some things are true whether we believe it or not"

      If something is true it's true whether you believe it or not, and likewise something that is false is false whether you believe it or no. Belief in something that is false does not make it true.

      A belief in things that are not true is also a form of faith. Religion emphasizes faith and treats it as a virtue. This sends the message that you're a better person if you cling to a belief even when the facts and evidence don't support it.

      May 17, 2011 at 6:56 am |
  11. Observer

    A recent poll/survey showed that the average atheist and average agnostic know more about the Bible than the average Christian and have a higher education.

    May 17, 2011 at 12:34 am |
  12. sharon

    The King James Bible only good for a door stop? This editor will give account to God for this statement. Many followers of the Lord suffered terribly, some were martyred to bring the Holy Scriptures to print, they gave their lives for this cause and those that mock will give an account for every idle word.

    May 17, 2011 at 12:16 am |
    • gozer

      sharon, if you have a stack of bibles, they're good for propping windows open too. But that's about it.

      So, anyway, how come your god needs a book to get its message across? Pretty incapable and technologically pathetic god you've created for yourself there.

      May 17, 2011 at 9:48 am |
  13. crucified

    E\psi(r)=-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2\psi+V(r)\psi(r) actually GOD is Fact. there is the Quantum Equation proving God! also, for those pursueing evolution..look up the Measurement problem. this is from Wikipedia and you cannot post your silly rebuttle based on it.

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It has been suggested that this article or section be merged with Quantum mind–body problem. (Discuss)

    The measurement problem in quantum mechanics is the unresolved problem of how (or if) wavefunction collapse occurs. The inability to observe this process directly has given rise to different interpretations of quantum mechanics, and poses a key set of questions that each interpretation must answer. The wavefunction in quantum mechanics evolves according to the Schrödinger equation into a linear superposition of different states, but actual measurements always find the physical system in a definite state. Any future evolution is based on the state the system was discovered to be in when the measurement was made, meaning that the measurement "did something" to the process under examination. Whatever that "something" may be does not appear to be explained by the basic theory.

    To express matters differently (to paraphrase Steven Weinberg [1][2]), the wave function evolves deterministically – knowing the wave function at one moment, the Schrödinger equation determines the wave function at any later time. If observers and their measuring apparatus are themselves described by a deterministic wave function, why can we not predict precise results for measurements, but only probabilities? As a general question: How can one establish a correspondence between quantum and classical reality?[3]
    Your reality is subservant to a greater reality.

    May 17, 2011 at 12:14 am |
    • crucified

      and further since things are holographic or imaged..they have design and purpose..and therfore require a Designer..Namely Jesus Christ! There's the facts..now deal with it!

      May 17, 2011 at 12:18 am |
    • Observer

      No mention of God there or religion. The idea that we might not know what reality is has nothing to do with the existence (or not) of God.

      May 17, 2011 at 12:19 am |
    • sharon

      Yes, as it is written, "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God."

      And again, "The wisdom of God is FOOLISHNESS to those that are PERISHING."

      And again, "The Scripture is not of any private interpretation, but unto whomsoever God gives the understanding."

      And again, "My ways are above your ways."

      And again, "Let God be true and every man a liar."

      God WILL have his way in the history of this world, everyone will have to give an answer for all of the mocking, for deriding God the Father and God the Son. I would say to those people, where is your fear? Eternity is a long time.

      May 17, 2011 at 12:25 am |
    • crucified

      @Observer I was not out to prove religion... It proves Dimensionless Intelligence creating an Imaged "holographic" enviroment for you to exist..translated by your brain to understand. That would be God. nonlocally connected!

      May 17, 2011 at 10:25 am |
    • YaThink

      Crucified you are making a big leap in your theory. Its a theory that could prove we have consciousness. Consciousness is what chooses the precise wave frequencies and downloads them to a human brain, which then converts them into space/time particles and out pops our “reality." I believe you are trying to equate this "consciousness" as being a god but that has yet to be shown. Our society has over the years equated consciousness as being spiritual or a soul but those are just labels. The one label I wouldn't give it or equated with is a "God."

      So you are of the "new age" religion I take it?

      May 17, 2011 at 10:48 am |
    • Observer

      @crucified,

      In NO WAY have you proved that God exists. Your unproven theory only leads to the issue of how did God get created.

      Even if your theory was correct, there is ZERO PROOF that if a God did exist that he couldn't be far different than the one in the Bible. God could exist and be far more like Jesus in the Bible than the often vain, arrogant, indifferent mass-killer God of the Bible.

      May 17, 2011 at 10:49 am |
    • crucified

      I did not push my God on you...or bring up religion.. you did.. I simple state that Quantum proves God by design. It also proves your interpreted world has design and purpose, designed by that Creator.. It also, further establishes a truer reality, namely the spiritual realm.. My God is Jesus Christ. and I believe Him through Christian experiences..I did not bring that into the engagement because I new you would not accept until you accepted the fact of a singular God. there is no giant leap..just mathmatics.E\psi(r)=-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2\psi+V(r)\psi(r) philoshocally speaking, It is a requirement of "Love" to have an imperfect enviroment. one of rejection, embracement, hope, doubt, faith, and lose.. only perfect love can be arranged through an imperfect enviroment.. for if you never experienced lose you would never know gain. I believe you are misrepresenting God into incidents of a chosen people that accepted..and a people who rejected.. I do not believe it is Evil for God to destroy the unbelieving.. If a car keeps breaking you go replace it! A potter's clay if not easily molded is through into the water to gain suppleness. a potter's clay is left to harden if it cannot maintain its shap..only those that allow the potter to shape them and hold that shape will be accepted as a finished Creation. Those that do not accept Creation are simply Broken creations deamed for the results of their choices.. they are not broken by the creator..it is their choice to be broken..God could of made you a Chair and forced the obedience as you so call perfection..I do not.. I call perfection allowing us to choice to want to fulfill the prupose of our design!

      May 17, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • Artist

      crucified – you are so self absorbed of your own self delusion, you cannot see past your imaginary vision.

      May 17, 2011 at 12:07 pm |
    • Observer

      @crucified,

      It is fascinating how people can claim that people have a "choice" of heaven or hell. It obviously isn't a choice. For those who believe, there really isn't a choice. For those who don't believe, there is no heaven or hell to chose from. In either case, there is no real choice.

      May 17, 2011 at 12:14 pm |
    • crucified

      @ the person who said I must be new age... actually No!!!!! I am a Christian,believe in the Trinity of God. I would be labeled a prootestant, probably. Labels are ugly since I do not serve the religion, only GOD! what I present is not New Age. it is a mathmatical model that proves our reality is a subset of a greater one. Which is what all Christians believe...that there is a greater reality we will experience.. of course if you do not believe in the Truer reality how can you experience it?

      May 17, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
    • G

      Hahaha please never use Wikipidia as a source

      May 17, 2011 at 12:52 pm |
    • YaThink

      It is amusing that a God as powerful as the Christians are trying to sell to the masses would be so simple minded as to fit into a mathematical equations. LOL! So now, I am curious what is the mathematical equation for love?

      May 17, 2011 at 1:55 pm |
  14. Epicurian

    Google Ëpicurus:

    " Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
    Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing?
    Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able, and willing?
    Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him God. "
    -EPICURUS-

    May 17, 2011 at 12:02 am |
    • sharon

      Thus saith the Lord, "My ways are above your ways."

      You, Epicurian, will be brought into account by AllMighty God for your mocking.

      Life is short.

      May 17, 2011 at 12:29 am |
    • sharon

      Silly, ignorant ramblings are all you have to offer?

      May 17, 2011 at 12:30 am |
    • David Johnson

      @sharon

      You asked: "Silly, ignorant ramblings are all you have to offer?"

      Actually, the argument is pretty good. Maybe you missed the point.

      Why, since god is all powerful, all knowing and perfectly good, is there so much evil / suffering in the world?

      Doesn't god know about all the pain? This would be inconsistent with His being all knowing. God knows everything.

      Doesn't god care? This wouldn't be consistent with His being perfectly good. He must care.

      Can't god stop, or at least allow no more suffering, than is absolutely necessary? God is all powerful. He can do anything.

      There are many theodicies that attempt to justify the attributes of god, and the presence of extreme evil. They aren't totally satisfying.

      Cheers!

      May 17, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Funny how logic always shuts up the morons. Epicurian and David, you rock.

      May 17, 2011 at 10:15 pm |
  15. Q (also?)

    @GarrettH – Exodus 20:13 vs 1 Samuel 15:3. Seems a bit of a contradiction there.

    May 16, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
  16. sharon

    Rob Bell is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He is a messenger of Satan. For all of the people who believe his message and go to the eternal flame, Rob Bell will receive the Greater Damnation, as spoken of in the Bible. He has bloody hands.

    May 16, 2011 at 11:21 pm |
  17. PRISM 1234

    Wow! What a stupid and shallow article! She (Miller) is a former religion editor at Newsweek... Good for Newsweek for making her "former"....
    And CNN goes and picks up the refuse, gives it alluring ti-tle and posts it....CNN should be embarrassed!

    May 16, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
  18. baronsternberg

    I disagree with this writer's premise. Personal proximity and sharing is an essential part of worship. Becoming scattered technological hermits will not satisfy that basic yearning. This is just a vehicle for the ever-accelerating trend of fragmentation and alienation of the Body's members, one from another, that is the fruit of the Protestant "Reformation."

    Authority of interpretation and teaching is another thing for which people have a basic yearning, and is reflected in the accelerating conversion to Catholicism as denominations like the Anglican break down and fall by the wayside.

    May 16, 2011 at 10:54 pm |
  19. Nanaverm

    The Church isn't just a place to get the Word or its interpretation. It is a community of believers who get together for mutual accountability, support, and practice in loving each other. This is hard to do solely in cyberspace.

    May 16, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
    • James

      I hate to sound nitpicky – especially since I aggree with you – but I think that's part of the allure of this technology. You don't have people looking over your shoulder making sure you're doing what they feel you should. You are responsible for yourself and your beliefs.

      May 17, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
  20. T-party

    despite science,common sense,diverse cultures,natural selection,evolution being proven, religious fanatics are still and will always exist.

    May 16, 2011 at 10:22 pm |
    • crucified

      Evolution is a Theory! genius.

      May 16, 2011 at 11:32 pm |
    • Observer

      God is a theory.

      May 16, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
    • Nancy A.

      Technology is here to stay. It will be far better if the church views it as an opportunity, rather than a crisis, and learns new ways to communicate.

      May 16, 2011 at 11:51 pm |
    • Q (also?)

      For the record, evolution the process is a fact, i.e. a change in allele frequency in a population over time. The Scientific Theory of Evolution uses the fact of evolution combined with the concordant evidence from every relevant scientific discipline to explain extinct and extant biodiversity. Yep "just a (Scientific) Theory", like Atomic Theory, Theory of Gravity, Theory of Relativity, Germ Theory of Disease, etc, etc....

      May 16, 2011 at 11:51 pm |
    • crucified

      @Q as we have already gone through as you state.. it cannot be proven on get closer to the result. It doesn't matter anyway because the process of evolution acording to quatum Mechanics is an illusion because the observer effect occures. -Look it up.

      May 17, 2011 at 12:16 am |
    • Q (also?)

      @crucified – What we've been through is your various attempts to dismiss the physical evidence supporting evolution. I see that lately you've retreated into that last bastion of crazy apologetics claiming quantum mechanics proves God (perhaps the most perfect example of a non sequitur I've ever witnessed). Whatever ultimate reality (or realities) exist(s), whatever the "first cause" may or may not have been, however life arose on this planet, we don't know, we may never know and so I don't really care all that much. Nonetheless, genes change in populations and provide new functions, the fossil record demonstrates a progressive order inconsistent with ID/creationism and ID remains nothing more than apophenia/pareidolia. All the two slit experiments in the world haven't changed this.

      May 17, 2011 at 12:35 am |
    • Carynn

      Evolution is a theory. For any question or dispute that you or anyone has with the bible, or with God, open the bible up and read it. This lady makes some awesome points, and I agree. My generation of so-called "Christians" doesn't take God seriously. It's about much more than just "religion".

      May 17, 2011 at 9:02 am |
    • crucified

      @Q never retreated... I proved God through Quantum.. I also, proved that the physical science have no bearing on reality because of the Measurement effect and the observer effect. You want people to believe that what they believe is false, what is your motive.. for in reality that is all we have.. consciousness...as the sub atomic losses dimension in the smallest level and becomes energy with intellect our imaged reality becomes strangly designed.. the design has purpose and function and intelligent processing. God fashioned your reality..in the same way you would go to a fish store and create an entire eco system for a fish..the fish would believe it always existed..you are a sub reality of a greater one. You will face a Creator and it is reasonable to say He will judge you because you did not believe in him.E\psi(r)=-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2\psi+V(r)\psi(r) that is the proof of God..

      May 17, 2011 at 10:20 am |
    • bp

      Crucified- proved God through Quantum.. I also, proved that the physical science have no bearing on reality because of the Measurement effect and the observer effect. You want people to believe that what they believe is false, what is your motive.. for in reality that is all we have.. consciousness...as the sub atomic losses dimension in the smallest level and becomes energy with intellect our imaged reality becomes strangly designed.. the design has purpose and function and intelligent processing. God fashioned your reality..in the same way you would go to a fish store and create an entire eco system for a fish..the fish would believe it always existed..you are a sub reality of a greater one. You will face a Creator and it is reasonable to say He will judge you because you did not believe in him.E\psi(r)=-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2\psi+V(r)\psi(r) that is the proof of God..

      Your actually still wrong. you've offered evidence that we percieve the reality we live in that is all. you still havnt proved God created this reality as he would exist outside of our space-time. Since you have no idea what exists outside of our space-time you can only BELIEVE it was God that created the reality we live in. Thus you still have zero evidence that God in fact does exist. Though it was an interesting argument to say the least.

      May 17, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @crucified

      You said: "Evolution is a Theory! genius."

      In layman’s terms, if something is said to be “just a theory,” it usually means that it is a mere guess, or is unproved. It might even lack credibility. But in scientific terms, a theory implies that something has been proven and is generally accepted as being true.

      Here is what each of these terms means to a scientist:

      Scientific Law: This is a statement of fact meant to describe, in concise terms, an action or set of actions. It is generally accepted to be true and universal, and can sometimes be expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. Scientific laws are similar to mathematical postulates. They don’t really need any complex external proofs; they are accepted at face value based upon the fact that they have always been observed to be true.
      Specifically, scientific laws must be simple, true, universal, and absolute. They represent the cornerstone of scientific discovery, because if a law ever did not apply, then all science based upon that law would collapse.
      Some scientific laws, or laws of nature, include the law of gravity, Newton's laws of motion, the laws of thermodynamics, Boyle's law of gases, the law of conservation of mass and energy, and Hook’s law of elasticity.

      Hypothesis: This is an educated guess based upon observation. It is a rational explanation of a single event or phenomenon based upon what is observed, but which has not been proved. Most hypotheses can be supported or refuted by experimentation or continued observation.

      Theory: A theory is what one or more hypotheses become once they have been verified and accepted to be true. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. Unfortunately, even some scientists often use the term "theory" in a more colloquial sense, when they really mean to say "hypothesis." That makes its true meaning in science even more confusing to the general public.
      In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.

      Cheers!

      May 17, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
    • Q

      @crucified – "I proved God through Quantum.. I also, proved that the physical science have no bearing on reality because of the Measurement effect and the observer effect."

      Laughable at best, actually quite sad at worst. But again, no, you most certainly did not. The first statement is one typical of that wonderful combination of arrogance founded in ignorance producing non sequitur upon non sequitur. The second is contradicted by your posting here, using the products of physical science (and every other application of physical science you employ daily). Nothing is real ergo God is proven but then, nothing is real. It appears you're trapped in an endless loop confusing your solipsistical fantasy with empiricism...

      May 18, 2011 at 4:03 am |
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