May 15th, 2011
07:30 AM ET
State TV: 2 dead and 60 injured in clashes involving Coptics in Cairo
From Mohamed Fadel Fahmy, For CNN
Cairo, Egypt (CNN) - Violence erupted in the Cairo neighborhood of Maspero when pro-Coptic protesters clashed with unidentified men, leaving at least two people dead and 60 injured, state TV reported early Sunday.
The demonstrators initially staged a sit-in in front of the state TV building to demand greater rights for the religious minority.
Problems between Egypt's Muslim majority and its Coptic Christian minority have been on the rise in recent months, with a number of violent clashes reported between the two groups.
Dozens of unidentified men, dressed in plain clothes, began firing live ammunition into the air and attacking the demonstrators around the entrance of the sit-in enclosure with sticks and stones. They also threw Molotov cocktails. It was not immediately clear who the attackers were or what their motive was.
"They did not have beards. It was just a bunch of bad guys carrying guns and clubs," said Maged Girguis, a pro-Coptic protester.
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Adelina.. nice try but no.. religion is just as corrupt as any other insti-tution secular or not. You are the same as any other. Gays are not safe while the att-itude of the church and it followers take guidance from a book and a supernatural being. I do not see any of the religious folks with much in the way of good things to say about gay people. The horrors perpetrated on "witches" or others who dared to cross the church were done in the name of the "lord" they knew what they were doing and felt god gave them that authority to kill. Until you throw off the veil of traditional hate or dislikes you will never see the world as anything but evil.. You are a human being... embrace it.
I love America. In America, Christians can defend themselves from intolerant people with these [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMBpy24rr_k&w=640&h=390]
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@EvolvedDNA, Every majority's religious body's leaders had supreme authority in most civilizations because people were not educated, and religion was tied to the nation or the tribe. In Europe, when some church leadership got corrupted so bad they prohibited the Bible, true Christians stood up and corrected it. Such correction happened only in Christendom and the freedom of coscience spreaded to all over the world from that. Access to the Bible made Westerners highly intelligent. Gays are not yesterday's witches. They are given freedom and safety. We just do not want public education to treat it as a norm or treat their marriage marriage because those are immoral errors. Gays are safe only with Bible-literate Christians.
@T-party: A good question. I suggest you to tune in Christian radio broadcasts and ask them for help. The Christian leaders whom CNN identify as Evangelicals, such as Mr. Franklin Graham and Mr. Rick Warren, sound good. Go to their websites. I also hear that Baptist and independent churches are Bible-based in USA. Get a study Bible from a bookstore and start reading.
Muneef, I have a couple of questions for you:
Are you part of the protests in Yemen?
If my understanding of islam be correct, Jesus is only a prophet and he will serve as the executioner of Jews and Christians (those who refuse to convert to islam) under mahdi? Because if that's the case, he sounds an awful like the Anti-christ. Also, He was never cruicified?
I apologize if I can't respond to your reply right away.
Hello, there and sorry for the late reply...
No am not part of the protests in Yemen but can say I do not agree with the opposition nor that am satisfied of the present ruling party and their silence to corruptions in the country...all I care about is that the country lives in peace and be able to advance among nations...
About Jesus the son of Mary...yes in the Quran he is mentioned to be the Prophet and the Messenger to the children of Israel...he is mentioned as well to be the Messiah...he was the spirit and the word of God on earth...
About serving as an executioner of Jews and Christians those as you said ;((those who refuse to convert to islam) under mahdi?))
Well that I have not heard or read of before....but have learned that he will be coming to fight the armies of the Anti-Christ whom we call "The Dajjal" or "The Corrupter" who will be coming before the landing of Jesus to mislead the people of faith claiming to be the God of all....but it was said that the majority supporting and fighting in the army of the Dajjal would be from the Jews..
Surely he would as well come to explain that he was no Son of God or God and lead his people to the true path...guess he will kill those rejecting his directions of belief....
About Almuhdi it was told that he would be fighting in joint forces with Jesus in fighting the armies of al-Dajjal...
Isn't the Arab Spring just wonderful? Fresh, clean scent. So glad Obama supports the Muslim Brotherhood and their caliphate. Read Psalm 83 to see the end game of the Arab Spring.
@GSA, It's not just Egypt. American atheists will show what they really are in any minute, and USA will be the most freedom-deprived nation on earth as the result. America needs Christian sanity.
@EvolvedDNA, atheists kill the religious or anyone who don't comply, but Christians protect and nurture all people including atheists.
Adelina.. total garbage...you are deluded and are not rational. It was the Christians who killed suspected witches, heretics or any one who disagreed. I see nothing in your comments that are conciliatory, and as such you perpetuate the divisions that religions have invented
@EvolvedDNA, The same people who killed witches and heretics killed million times more of Bible-reading Christians. And no scientist was killed by the Church. Learn history wholesomely. You Westerners were hopeless barbarians before Christianity educated you to be human. And you are returning to your own evil paganism by supporting perversions and murdering the most helpless humans whom Christians try to rescue.
Adelina.it was Christians who burned and drowned suspected witches because they believed they were evil.. all based on fear and a lack of understanding. Remember evidence, as is the case today, was not required for the faithful to conclude that a person or group are "evil" the word of a priest sufficed . The gays of today were yesterdays witches. not sure about your remark regarding killing of scientists but they too were persecuted for their studies except ofcourse Giordano Bruno who was actually burned at the stake by the church because he said the earth went around the sun, which was not what the church, incorrectly, taught. Many other scientists were persecuted.. Copernicus, Galileo, as the more famous examples. You still seem a little angry at your fellow human beings even though some are trying to help you understand that science is not your enemy, but an aid to helping you understand the world
Sadie Sadie The slaughter on both sides will continue until either Christians and Muslims realize that they are the same and are in fact human beings, or one of the Prophets actually comes back and set things straight. Don't hold your breath on any of these things happening soon, if at all.
Guess who messed up things in the area with their political experiments??
Blame it on Islam;
Islam as a Religion has been forced now to pay for what American politicians had sown into earth. The genuine peaceful muslims have been polluted by those created and many innocents are being harvested among those created ones ...!!!
Old Investment was scapegoated for the sake of the new investment that is being created to replace it....!!!
Listen & Watch this;
"Lets be careful with what we sow because we will harvest".(US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton).
What Islam has sown over the centuries:
The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century
■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "
and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.
and more recently
1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured
1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh
2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured
3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,483 and 925 in non combat roles. 99,901 – 109,143 Iraqi civilians killed as of 3/3/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf
4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.
5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.
6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.
7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.
8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.
9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.
10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,141 killed in action, 242 killed in non-combat situations as of 03/03/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror
11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.
12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.
13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,
14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.
15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.
16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.
17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.
18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.
19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011
20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011
21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.
22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.
Turkey's foreign minister talks about how the region has rediscovered its sense of possessing a common destiny. http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/03/20113131351569612.html
@ Adelina you seem like a good person ....you mention me to listen to Christian leaders??? Benny Hinn? Koresh? Swaggert? Haggerd? Jim Bakker ? Nooo I would much rather listen to you.
T-party, your information is not only partial but also warped intentionally. Go to a nearby Bible-believing church and ask for help.
@ adelina How can I discern the fakes from the real ones? they all preach the same message? They all claim the know the truth
The Egyption gov't does not care whether you're Christian or Muslim, if you're in the way of their agenda than they will dispose of you. Add to that the fact that the Muslim majority does not and will not tolerate the Christians and it seems there is no end in sight for Egypt's problems.
I pray for these Christians and all my fellow Christians world wide. I pray that we will stay strong and steadfast in the face of adversity. I pray that we will cling to the way and the truth that is Jesus Christ.
The suffering of this world is but temporary, with an end in sight, but God's promise and love is eternal.
May God bless us all with stronger faith and the ability to proclaim His name to the very end.
For Jesus' very name has power over His dominion.
May God bless you all.
I am agnostic and realize most wars,revolutions and terror involve religion. I think a lot of Egypts turmoil is economic injustice
T-party, people are born religious. Atheists did the worst in the shortest time and were defeated by Christians just as any other barbarians were. The West is facing a new barbarism of paganism and hedonistic atheism as it entered into a post-christian era. Insists on the Eastern selfish, petty, personal peace won't be a help. The legal murder and legal perversion in the West alone will be sufficient reasons for continuous unhappiness for mankind. Blood cries out from the soil, you know. There is no peace for murderers. Listen to Christian leaders instead of your stupid inner voice.
Problems in economy is a surface thing, unless the citizens are literally starving. People must learn to be honest, wise, content, diligent and generous and governments transparent, fair, just and strong. Everyone needs Judeo-Christian values to live.
Many reformations, revolutions and wars(responses to evils and terrors) in Christendom were absolutely necessary for the whole mankind to have true progress.
Adelina.. the only way to peace is to eliminate the most destructive and divisive invention of man.. gods. I feel sorry for the people of the middle east as they have little to no hope with religion driving their mindset. To continue to blame atheists and make them the only source of "evil' in the world is one way to as-sure the continuation of hatred between the religions. If you were honest with yourself and not afraid to confront the truth, you would see that it is religious inspired violence that is the real threat to world peace. While your tradition drives you blame the atheists it is other forces causing you the anguish you experience.
@ evolved DNA
" the only way to peace is to eliminate the most destructive and divisive invention of man.. gods."
I don't think I've ever 'talked' with you, so I'll ask someone different for a 'fresh perspective' on exactly how you would go about getting rid of this oh, so pesky.. "god" problem? Think it can be done, say, in the next century or so? Maybe longer? or was this your personal New Year's resolution?
Some history to peruse:
The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:
http://necrometrics.com/warstatz.htm#u (a "must read!!!)
o The Muslim Conquest of India
"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "
Rank <<<Death Toll <Cause <<Centuries<<<(Religions/Groups involved)*
1. 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists/atheists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")
2. 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)
3. 40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)
4. 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)
5. 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)
6. 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)
7. 20 million Joseph Stalin 20C (Communism)
8. 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)
9. 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C
10. 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)
11. 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)
12. 15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs. Pagans)
13. 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C
14. 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C
15. 10 million Xin Dynasty 1C
16. 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)
17. 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans vs. Pagans)
18. 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)
19. 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)
20. 7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C
*:" Is religion responsible for more violent deaths than any other cause?
A: No, of course not – unless you define religion so broadly as to be meaningless. Just take the four deadliest events of the 20th Century – Two World Wars, Red China and the Soviet Union – no religious motivation there, unless you consider every belief system to be a religion."
Q: So, what you're saying is that religion has never killed anyone.
A: Arrgh... You all-or-nothing people drive me crazy. There are many doc-umented examples where members of one religion try to exterminate the members of another religion. Causation is always complex, but if the only difference between two warring groups is religion, then that certainly sounds like a religious conflict to me. Is it the number one cause of mass homicide in human history? No. Of the 22 worst episodes of mass killing, maybe four were primarily religious. Is that a lot? Well, it's more than the number of wars fought over soccer, or s-ex (The Trojan and Sabine Wars don't even make the list.), but less than the number fought over land, money, glory or prestige.
In my Index, I list 41 religious conflicts compared with 27 oppressions under "Communism", 24 under Colonialism, 2 under "Railroads" and 2 under "Scapegoats". Make of that what you will."
You Said to @T-party..."People are born religious."
I'm curious as to your -meaning- ...?
BG Unfortunately I do not see any gods disappearing soon, nor a safer world. I am sure that your personal god view does not include many of the others that inhabit the planet, and that appears part of the issue. With out any evidence to the contrary religions can claim anything. As we see in some of the mixed Muslim /Christian countries.. god is more than a pesky.problem. it is out right dangerous. If they would think of them selves as humans first they may be able to hold off on killing for god. Not sure what the "surf fishing" comment was?
[2:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
[2:2] This scripture is infallible; a beacon for the righteous;
Three Categories of People
(1) The Righteous
[2:3] who believe in the unseen, observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), and from our provisions to them, they give to charity.
[2:4] And they believe in what was revealed to you, and in what was revealed before you, and with regard to the Hereafter, they are absolutely certain.
[2:5] These are guided by their Lord; these are the winners.
(2) The Disbelievers
[2:6] As for those who disbelieve, it is the same for them; whether you warn them, or not warn them, they cannot believe.
[2:7] GOD seals their minds and their hearing, and their eyes are veiled. They have incurred severe retribution.
(3) The Hypocrites
[2:8] Then there are those who say, "We believe in GOD and the Last Day," while they are not believers.
[2:9] In trying to deceive GOD and those who believe, they only deceive themselves without perceiving.
[2:10] In their minds there is a disease. Consequently, GOD augments their disease. They have incurred a painful retribution for their lying.
[2:11] When they are told, "Do not commit evil," they say, "But we are righteous."
[2:12] In fact, they are evildoers, but they do not perceive.
[2:13] When they are told, "Believe like the people who believed," they say, "Shall we believe like the fools who believed?" In fact, it is they who are fools, but they do not know.
[2:14] When they meet the believers, they say, "We believe," but when alone with their devils, they say, "We are with you; we were only mocking."
[2:15] GOD mocks them, and leads them on in their transgressions, blundering.
[2:16] It is they who bought the straying, at the expense of guidance. Such trade never prospers, nor do they receive any guidance.
In the name of rational thinking:
There never was and never will be any angels i.e. no Gabriel, no Islam and Muneef is now free to move about the globe without bowing five times a day to Mecca!!
From an article on this same subject on CNN,
it states: "Egypt's military rulers and interim civilian government were losing patience with the protesters and that they "will be the losers if this sit-in continues."
It would appear that the Egyptian government really doesn't care about the Coptic Christians as it never even addressed the Muslims who attacked the Christians. Obviously, Islam is anything but peaceful or loving but Christianity isn't too far behind, either.
Dear Arabian Brothers Muslims and Christians or Jews or what ever living together in the Egyptian lands as an Arabian from the land of Yemen beg of you to keep and develop your unity breaking the walls standing between you to stand together living with each other as one body...in the love of God, Land and nationality...your unity will stand as an example for our Arabian Unity whether on Different Religions or Different Doctrines or Tribes or even Political Parties....otherwise what breaks once keeps on breaking further every time for different reasons....Egypt and Egyptions were our revolution example and their soldiers have fought with us for the Republic of Yemen 1962 and many lost their life with us fighting Royalists...Your unity against all odds will be inspiration for the unity of all Yemenies....Infact Egypt has more rights to resolve the existing problems in Yemen for bringing Republicans more than the existing intervention by the GCC countries since being Royalists....!!! Unless it was meant for us as a new system to drop Republican systems for the Royalist systems that are taking place now that Jordan and Morocco both Royelists are planed to join GCC as one with a change to the name of the GCC since the Royalist empire will be extending to countries outer of the Arabian Gulf Countries...
What ever it is all we need is freedom of rights,justice,peace,equality and to live in prosperity...Egypt is not in the heart of Egyptions only but as well in the heart of every Arabic nation, Egyptions were our teachers in our schools and Egypt was the university of our Yemeni students....Egypt was the source of islamic educations, Egypt was the face of all arts,books,papers, TV plays and movies to all of Arabian speaking countries...Egypt is our Arabian Icon so please please other nations are becoming larger and stronger in the area on your account as a living icon for the Arabian Unity what ever our faiths or beliefs are we are brothers in blood,culture and language, God Bless to All.Amen. My love and regards to all of my Arabian Brothers where ever they are and what ever their faith is and say please please do not fall into "Fitnah" that they few bad ones try to sow bad seeds among you to weaken you and your unity and Arabian Leadership in the Area which all three players within the area are seeking to take over. Wal Salam.
How to solve Muneef's problems and those of all Muslims in less than two minutes:
The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:
( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)
Are you ready?
Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.
The First Five of the 77 Branches:
"1. Belief in Allah"
aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your cleansing neurons.
"2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."
Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".
"3. To believe in the existence of angels."
A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.
"4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."
Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.
Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.
Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.
"5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."
Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.
Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!
Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.
Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism at your request.
This must be the new, improved, post Mubarek Egypt we were promised. So much for "Hope & Change".
The following posted on all Egyptian mosques and churches will put an end to this signficant stupidity:
SAVING 1.5 BILLION LOST MUSLIMS:
THERE NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE ANY ANGELS I.E. NO GABRIEL, NO ISLAM AND THEREFORE NO MORE KORANIC-DRIVEN ACTS OF HORROR AND TERROR
SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS:
THERE WAS AND NEVER WILL BE ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS I.E. NO EASTER, NO CHRISTIANITY
SAVING 15.5 MILLION ORTHODOX FOLLOWERS OF JUDAISM:
ABRAHAM AND MOSES PROBABLY NEVER EXISTED.
Added details upon request.
sorry you'll be burning in hell forever
It's the regular interfaith thing.
Religion is tribalism, it's INSANE tribalism.