My Take: May 21st doomsday movement harms Christianity
Osvaldo Colon walks the streets of New York proselytizing with other believers that the world will end Saturday.
May 17th, 2011
03:27 PM ET

My Take: May 21st doomsday movement harms Christianity

Editor’s Note: Robert Jeffress is pastor of the 13,000-member First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas and the author of 17 books, including the forthcoming "Forget Saving America!"

By Robert Jeffress, Special to CNN

In January 1961, a few days before John F. Kennedy was inaugurated as president, he invited Billy Graham to spend a day with him in Key Biscayne, Florida. After a round of golf, Kennedy and Graham were returning to their hotel when Kennedy stopped the white Lincoln convertible he was driving by the side of the road.

“Billy, do you believe that Jesus Christ is coming back to Earth one day?” Kennedy asked.

“Yes, Mr. President, I certainly do,” the evangelist responded.

“Then why do I hear so little about it?” Kennedy wondered.

Were Kennedy alive today, he probably wouldn't be asking the same question.

During Kennedy’s lifetime, few mainline Protestant churches discussed the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Fifty years later, however, televangelists, network television programs, movies and books like the "Left Behind" series — which has sold more than 60 million copies — have succeeded in placing the return of Jesus Christ in the public consciousness.

A 2004 Newsweek poll revealed that 55 percent of Americans believe in the Rapture, the snatching away of all Christians prior to the end of the world and the return of Jesus Christ.

As a pastor who preaches often about Bible prophecy, I am grateful for the general awareness people have of the promised return of Jesus Christ.

But our culture’s newfound interest in the end times has a downside. Bible prophecy inherently attracts fanatics. As a seminary professor of mine used to say to our class, “Remember, wherever there is light, there are bugs!”

One of those fanatics is Harold Camping, the founder of the Christian broadcasting ministry Family Radio in Oakland, California. Camping has predicted that the Rapture will occur at 6 p.m. on Saturday, May 21, followed by the end of the world five months later on October 21, 2011.

Family Radio has plastered billboards across the nation with the warning “Judgment Day, May 21, The Bible Guarantees It!”

Road trip to the end of the world

Readers should note that Camping first predicted the world’s end in 1994. He says he was wrong due to a mathematical miscalculation.

Now I am going to make my own prediction which I’m (almost) willing to stake my life on: May 21 will come and go without any Rapture.

How can I be so certain of my prophecy? The Bible itself says that no one can know the date of the end of the world.

Predicting the apocalypse

In discussing His return to Earth, Jesus told His disciples, “... of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.” (Matthew 24:36).

If God has not even revealed to his own son the date the world will end, I doubt he has revealed it to Harold Camping.

My hunch is that the date God ultimately has chosen is one that will not be plastered on billboards around the country.

What harm is there in an 89-year-old preacher making prognostications about the end of the world?

First, such predictions give non-Christians one more reason to discount the Bible.

For example, many secularists have dismissed the Bible because they assume that it teaches the world is only 6,000 years old. In reality, the Bible never makes such a claim about the Earth’s age. Instead, some well-intentioned Christians have misused the genealogies in the Bible to attempt to ascertain the date of creation.

Similarly, when next Saturday passes without a Rapture, some will say, “See, the Bible was wrong again,” when, in fact, it will have been Harold Camping who was wrong — again.

Second, predictions about the end of the world always lead some people to make foolish decisions. When a self-professed prophet named Edgar Whisenant predicted that the Rapture would occur in 1988, a couple I know responded by charging their Visa card to the limit with a trip to Disney World, believing the bank would be left with the bill once they had left the Magic Kingdom for God’s kingdom.

Obviously, things did not go as planned.

A look at the ways the world could end

Just as every teacher knows how unproductive and unfocused students are the week before school lets out, God knows how tempted we would be to neglect the responsibilities he has entrusted to us if we knew the date we would be raptured into heaven. That is why God refuses to show us his calendar and instead instructs us to focus on our assignment.

But the most harmful consequence of Camping’s false prediction is that it discourages people from making the necessary preparation for the real event when it actually occurs.

Remember the boy who cried wolf once too often? The villagers were so hardened to the boy’s false alarms that they were unprepared when the wolf finally arrived.

When May 21 passes and Camping’s prophecy is added to the ash heap of discredited prophecies, some will be tempted to join the chorus of cynics whom the Bible predicts will mockingly say, “Where is the promise of Christ’s coming?” (2 Peter 3:3-4).

Make no mistake about it. As Billy Graham affirmed to President Kennedy, Jesus is coming back some day. Over 1,800 verses in the Old Testament and 300 verses in the New Testament prophesy of the lord’s return.

Don’t allow the Harold Campings of the world keep you from making the necessary preparation for the end — whenever it may be.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • End times • Heaven • Opinion

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  1. Avser Bastian


    July 9, 2011 at 6:10 pm |
  2. Avser Bastian

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    July 9, 2011 at 5:59 pm |
  3. Ed

    Have any of you folks considered the possibilty that the reason JC hasn't returned yet (even though he told some of his followers tat they'd still be arounfd when he returned to judge the world) is that dead people don't come back to life even if thty think that they're God? Just ask Jim Jones and David Koresh.

    July 5, 2011 at 11:11 pm |
    • Don Camp

      Jesus has actually returned, Ed. He rose from the dead long ago. What "returned" means is to return to bring down the curtain of history and establish on earth his eternal kingdom. It is for that event the pastor suggests we all might do well to be prepared for.

      July 8, 2011 at 10:29 am |
    • Disciple Mikey

      Or could it be that we are now living in the last days of this world. Actually Jesus was already raised from the dead by God and ascended to heaven, their were many eye witnesses. jesus clearly identified the times in which WE live as the last days. they're marked with pestilence, food shortages, earthquakes in one place after another, and an abundance of war. the bible is a very reliable source regarding God's plans for mankind.

      July 8, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
    • Amused

      Disciple Mikey – "WE live as the last days. they're marked with pestilence, food shortages, earthquakes in one place after another, and an abundance of war" REALLY !!!?? There has not been a single time in known history that pestilence, food shortages, earthquakes and war did NOT occur somewhere! These problems always exist somewhere on this planet! You can take virtually ANY time period of history and make these EXACT SAME OBSERVATIONS ! It seems that every single generation is convinced that THEY ARE LIVING IN THE last days on earth ! As you will see – ALL THESE THINGS will pass... and then will happen all over again... and over again ... for eternity! Life is a constant series of cycles. If you wait long enough, everything re-occurs eventually, and yet we never seem to learn anything!

      July 12, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
  4. lynn

    A real christian knows u can not predict the day Jesus will return.If u fell 4 this you need to read ur Bible. 2 all the atheist u know the old saying ...sticks & stones! Atheist u should be happy Christians give ur life a purpose.Heck u wouldnt be an atheist if it wasn't for the Christians so don't be mad scratch ur butt and get glad!!!hahahahah

    July 1, 2011 at 12:36 am |
    • LinCA

      Now you're just being silly.

      July 1, 2011 at 12:45 am |
  5. lynn

    Guess what atheist Christians will always be here no matter what!!!! haha get over it already. and just because someone says they are christian doesn't mean they r. A real christian doesn't kill,steal ect: and whats wrong with this crazy world ,that people can not have their opinions and beliefs with out some idiot getting all offended & cry about it .U don't believe in Jesus , that's fine.I do and that should be fine 2.U say being gay is OK ,that's fine . I say no & that's gross,It should be fine as well, its my opinion get over it! opinions wont kill u.

    July 1, 2011 at 12:31 am |
    • LinCA


      I don't expect christians to go away anytime soon. And, of course you are entitled to you opinions and beliefs. It's OK that you don't like homosexuality.

      As long as you don't try to force your beliefs on anybody else, we'll get along just fine.

      July 1, 2011 at 12:44 am |
    • Sporkify

      Except that historically, and even today, disagreeing with a Christian's opinion CAN get you killed.

      July 1, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
    • glenn robert

      You forget, there was a time when Christians were not here aand the world got along just fine.

      July 3, 2011 at 3:17 am |
    • Mark

      God didn't tell Jesus the last day of the world but He told Harold Camping. Give me a break !

      July 3, 2011 at 8:58 am |
    • Comment Guy

      Sporkify – Where do people die for disagreeing with Christians? MANY MANY Christians die the world over, also are imprisoned and tortured for their faith- so don't you forget that.

      July 4, 2011 at 1:18 am |
    • BobbyB

      @glenn robert, got along FINE? get some education..

      July 22, 2011 at 9:57 am |
  6. allfaith

    Our beliefs shape our reality. Look around you. What do you see? If you believe you're going to trip over that crack in the sidewalk, you probably will.
    Of course, you have to really believe.

    June 29, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
  7. Leo

    "For example, many secularists have dismissed the Bible because they assume that it teaches the world is only 6,000 years old."

    Not at all. Most of us dismiss the Bible because the whole thing is a politically-motivated set of tribal myths. And yes, I mean the collection was politically motivated even back in the days when those stories were originally written. They're all either partial or complete fabrications, designed to keep ancient peoples in line and behaving themselves.

    I've read the Bible, cover-to-cover, twice. I've done Bible studies. I know the Bible doesn't make claims about a 6,000 year old earth. But the claims it does make... belong in the same pile as the stories of Thor, Zeus, Artemis, Quetzalcoatl, and all those. The Bible is a mixture of myths, parables, and teaching stories. That's all.

    June 27, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
    • Seeker

      I could not agree more. The Bible does indeed teach some beautiful things, but although it is claimed to be God's word to man it was still written by humans and humans are flawed. Injected deep into the marrow if the Bible is the ideals of that time and their stubborn ability to persevere is due to blind faith. Faith is great, but blind faith in ANYTHING is stupid. Science is incomplete, the Bible is a collection of teachings in their various literary means, and believing in nothing is standing for nothing. Its when one sees the totality of these things as they are, that they can piece them together to create a whole image ripe with all the variables and beauty offered per view. We need a name for this whole image lol

      July 7, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
  8. eric calderone

    When evaluating whether a statement or claim has its roots in Christianity, the most reliable test is to examine 1. what the bible may say on the subject, placing any particular verse within the context of the entire bible; 2. examining what the early Church taught, by reviewing the early Church Fathers. It is quite easy to single out a particular verse, and seemingly make a plausible claim about its interpretation, which in reality is at variance with what the entire bible, taken together, says about a subject. If a verse seems to say something in contradiction to well known teachings of the bible, be aware, the chances are that one's interpretation is flawed. Not only the bible, but the Early Church Fathers, provide reliable evidence about how the early Church interpreted Jesus' message. Any modern interpretation which is at variable with the ECF, is suspect inasmuch as the ECF were closer to the source (Jesus).

    June 20, 2011 at 8:39 am |
  9. Byrd

    Let's see...Christchurch in New Zealand is whacked by earthquakes, people are leaving their homes in Waycross, Georgia because the nearby Okefenokee Swamp is on fire, and red states across this nation have been razed by fire, tornadoes and floods.

    Looks like the symbols of this false messiah/Christ/god you've been worshiping are turning to ashes all over the world. It's about Time.

    June 18, 2011 at 10:33 am |
    • Supremeamerican

      If you want to debate Christians, you need to get to the meat and potatoes. Like here in my video.

      June 19, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
  10. Momgonenutz

    God gave us Free Will, so we make our own choices...sometimes good, sometimes bad..but we should make our own decisions based on what we feel is right, and not try to "shove" our beliefs down others throats. With that being said, we should live our lives preparing for our own demise....everyday making good decisions for us. Maybe the end of the world means something different from the rather literal interpretation most people make based on the Bible. Maybe it means something different for each one of us. I guess the turn of the century wasn't it; May 12, 2011 wan't it; who knows if 12/21/12 is it....or isn't....Since God has not revealed it to anyone, why does everyone go into a frenzy when someone many of us have never heard of, does reveal a date? If you are trying to do what's best for what God wants you to do, and teach your children the same, and not judge others (altho it is hard not to judge those who are trying to kill us thru terrorism), then you shouldn't be surprised when and if that day comes during our lifetime!

    June 17, 2011 at 12:56 pm |
    • Noigiler

      "do what's best for what God wants you to do"

      What a sad, sad way to live one's life. Wondering whether one's behavior is sufficiently solicitous to an imaginary, never-satisfied being. Why not live your life ding what's right for your family and the people around you?

      June 28, 2011 at 7:39 pm |
    • Heathen in NC

      I would rather dine in your Hell with my honoured ancestors than grovel my way into your Heaven with a parcel of beggars.

      It's your Hell, Christians. YOU burn in it.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:38 am |
  11. William Demuth

    I believe the key is to remove dependent children from the custody of anyone who espouses this nonesense.

    This sickness must end.

    June 13, 2011 at 8:16 am |
    • Chris

      Amen Brother!

      June 16, 2011 at 10:30 pm |
  12. Brandon

    The sooner religion fades away, the sooner world peace comes forth. It is fine and dandy to believe in something to make you a better person, but when people begin to cause panic and begin killing others in the name of religion, we all have a problem. I hope they all keep making themselves look like idiots. Give up the Bible and start reading Hawking

    June 6, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
    • Truth Teller

      I hate to tell you but France once outlawed the Bible, and all hell helter skelter broke loose from all the Godlessness. Its the false religion folks thats behind all the negative stuff, and thats 99% of them. Jesus is the real deal as you will find out some day. Sooner than you think. You'll find how you made the biggest misteake fathomable, in rejecting God.
      Have fun while you can I guess. You'll see.

      June 7, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • antichristianleague

      My hope is that someday people will realize what crap religious belief truly is. We humans have wasted all of our history destroying ourselves and those around us in the name of a "god" who does not exist.

      June 8, 2011 at 10:23 pm |
    • Fail

      Funny that you attack all religion because of this doomsday thing. Christian or not, anyone who's actually honestly opened the Bible knows it says nobody knows what day "doomsday" is. Religious killing or any killing is wrong, but is it the religion or the person doing the killing? So you're attacking all religion based on these doomsday "Christians" or "religious killers". That's the same thing as you hating people from New York, if I told you I was from New York right before I kicked in your mailbox.

      June 16, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
    • Chris

      Carl Sagan's 'Demon Haunted World' is a must read too!

      June 16, 2011 at 10:32 pm |
  13. Jcp988

    I am a Christian and it greatly frustrates me to read things like this. I hate it when Christians act stupid and say dumb things. Here is a writing that I composed on my thoughts on the problem with the church. Feel free to read and comment: http://tiny.cc/fukof

    June 2, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  14. Mike Peralta

    Read Volume 1 of The Prophetic Book Series, I AM COMING. This Series Contains Urgent Messages From God – yes from God Himself through prophecy – about the soon Rapture and Tribulation.
    You can download the free ebook from http://www.smashwords.com
    Use the search phrase: I Am Coming

    Some prophetic words from Jesus in I Am Coming, Volume 1 :

    “This is your LORD. Time is short. Time is running out. The clock is ticking. I must come soon. Life will never be the same. You have the power to choose. Life is in your hands. I will not wait forever on MY people. This is serious. If you stay you will die. If you leave, you must leave with Me.”

    “You must choose life or death. I come quickly. MY hour is near, the hour I retrieve MY Bride. She is ready. All is ready. The hour is close at hand. Be ready. Look for ME.. Only the pure of heart will see MY face, MY beautiful face. MY heart is broken for those who will be lost.”

    “Save yourselves, turn and surrender. The hour is close at hand. All will be dark soon, but the Bride will be safely put away. Be the Bride: turn, repent, come to ME. I am gentle. I am kind. MY words are soft and tender. I am a gentle God. MY people see, MY people know I am love. I spare no expense for MY children. Love is MY moniker. This world is going to die out soon. Soon it will all be over. Repent while you still can. Please come to ME, I am waiting. These are your last opportunities. You choose: life or death.”

    “Choose against ME and discover that you have made a move that has eternal consequences. You will never see ME again. You will never hear MY voice. You will never experience MY ways: I am LOVE. I am HOPE. I am KINDNESS. I am PEACE. I am WISDOM. I am KNOWLEDGE. I am STRENGTH. I am SAFETY. I am BLISS. I am JOY. I am TRUTH. I am GREATNESS. I am LIFE. I am ADORATION. I am all the good things you enjoy in this world. Hell does not have these things. It will be never-ending sad futility.”

    “MY children who are in hell have no hope. They will not find hope or love again. They are experiencing the worst things. Some of MY children have witnessed hell and speak of it. Many have been there for short times and experienced its anguish. But there is nothing worse than an eternity apart from ME, your MAKER. I am sorry for their loss, but MY Word is clear and the people are without excuse if they choose against ME and find themselves in hell.”

    “Now I am putting forth MY final pleas and I am warning you about the horror to come. .. MY people left will have to go through the worst imaginable things. I want them to know that the choice they are making now has severe consequences if they choose against ME... It will be very hard for those who want to turn back to ME. The choice now is easy. Later it will be very difficult. Choosing for ME will be very hard after I take MY people home. Come with ME now. Follow ME now. Save yourself. Time is running out. Don’t waste precious moments. Turn, turn, turn NOW. Repent! Lay your life down before ME. Give ME everything. I will save you. Now is the deciding hour. Time is running out.”

    “I, GOD, I, JESUS am waiting for your answer.”

    June 2, 2011 at 11:33 am |
    • Truth Teller

      I suppose you mean well brother but painting God as an eternal torturer is exaulting to Satan! That false unbibical doctrine has created more atheist than any other. It is a widely taught false teaching. If Christ died for us on the cross, He payed the full price for sin. If the wages of sin is eternal suffering than Jesus didn't pay the price. You get it my brother.

      The wages of sin is death. Rm. 6:23 No more and no less. Torturing someone endlessly is the character of another, not God. There is scripture that expresses itself strongly and can easly be taken out of context. God is going to blot siners out of exsistance in the lake of fire, at the end of the 1000 year milleinum. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth

      June 10, 2011 at 10:32 am |
    • seamoney

      Wow, god himself said all that? Can I get him to read the audio book?

      I'd love a signed copy too!

      June 10, 2011 at 12:32 pm |
    • Chris

      People like you scare the hell out of me!

      I can't believe I share the road out there with people like you! It's terrifying how some people can delude themselves!

      June 16, 2011 at 10:35 pm |
    • Sporkify

      See, people like this reinforce my belief in evolution. Some of us just haven't made it as far as others...

      July 1, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
  15. Rico53

    I just went to family radio to leave a few bible verses and i was blocked from quoting the bible.
    Mathew 24: 4. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    Mathew 24 : 36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
    These are the verses i wanted to post in the comment section ,but i was blocked .
    These people are frauds and Harold Comings needs to be prosecuted.

    June 1, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • Chris

      The entire idea of a 'God' or 'gods' is a fraud!

      June 16, 2011 at 10:39 pm |
  16. Texas Slim Jim


    Steve offered references to people with alternative viewpoints. He is allowing the readers to draw their own conclusions. That appears to be more than you are doing.

    May 28, 2011 at 8:31 am |
  17. 14Mickey

    The article is a good one. Fanatics in any political, religious, environmental, scientific or any other movement harm that movement.
    A case in point is that the atheist cause is harmed by the nutty readers who flood internet sites with off topic rants that make crude, offensive remarks about religion and the people who believe in it.
    Anyway, on-line sites are for venting, not learning.

    May 28, 2011 at 2:31 am |
  18. Texas Slim Jim


    I have read the Bible (New King James Version) cover to cover multiple times and studied its contents thoroughly for well over 30 years. I have also studied other translations (New American Standard etc.) I have also considered the points of view of some of the people that Steve references. I find the point of view of John W. Loftus (for example) to be far more convincing than your own view.

    P.S. Please don't argue the claim of "General Revelation". I absolutely do not accept that argument. It is absurd.

    May 27, 2011 at 11:57 am |
  19. LetoAtreides

    Steve, Texas Slim Jim, Have you studied the Bible as diligently as you have these authors and their books you mention here? I invite you to explore the scriptures. You may still reach the same conclusion, but at least take a look. In the end though, God wants you to believe in Him by faith and love and not because the Creator proved His existence to you. If God is God, we must come to Him on His terms, not ours.

    May 27, 2011 at 9:43 am |
    • xenophilius

      EXACTLY! If atheists say that they don't believe in God because they haven't seen Him, they can't say that they believe in evolution, because they haven't seen a monkey become a human; they have only seen the ratio of white moths to speckled moths change. That isn't evolution; that's nature. I will consider evolution seriously when someone manages to create life in a laboratory. If decades of research and billions of dollars of equipment and manpower aren't enough to make basic life, then I can't believe that random chance coupled with time can create basic life.

      June 27, 2011 at 11:20 pm |
    • Heathen in NC

      I find it hilarious that you preach to us about that abusive jerk of a Levantine thunder-god you worship, while toting the name of a literary figure who was referred to as "God-Emperor".

      Oh, the irony. The irony of it all.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:41 am |
  20. Steve

    To those that can only quote scripture to make their point the world has had enough dark shinning on this subject for too long.

    For everyone that claims to be open-minded, please read:

    The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold by D.M. Murdock (Acharya S), or

    The Christian Delusion by John W Loftus, or

    Biblical Nonsense by Dr Jason Long, or

    Christ in Egypt by D.M. Murdock (Acharya S), or

    Forged: Writing in the Name of God–Why the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are by Bart D Ehrman, or

    The Fallacy of Fine-Tuning: Why the Universe Is Not Designed for Us by Victor J Stenger

    A careful reading of the above should be a great start to making us all less vulnerable to religious con artists and the plain delusional.

    May 26, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • Texas Slim Jim


      I don't think too many Christians want to be objective and consider other viewpoint(s). The cognitive dissonance would overload their circuits.

      BTW, there is good reason why William Lane Craig reportedly refuses to debate John W. Loftus. I think Loftus would expose him as being completely delusional.

      May 27, 2011 at 3:46 am |
    • 14Mickey

      Here's a good example of the kind of self defeating rant I wrote about in another comment on this page. Like fundamentalists who predict the date of doomsday (which is anti-Biblical), you have fundamentalist "village atheists" like "Steve" who like to flood the internet with their viewpoints, making their "cause" look narrow minded and mean spirited. His type of comment, common on the internet, is an adolescent process, not an attempt at intellectual discussion.

      May 28, 2011 at 2:35 am |
    • hehe101

      Just because you do not share the same views as some people doesn't mean you must put them down with literature. I'm also an atheist, but you won't see me trash talking God, Christ, Allah, Adoni, even Zeus or Osiris. Perhaps it is my background of Reform Judaism. No, it is my background of Reform Judaism. We Jews don't usually say that if you aren't Jewish you'll go to hell. We don't trash those who have different beliefs than us. It is only bigots who don't take the time to LEARN. You my friend Steve, are one those uneducated people.

      May 28, 2011 at 10:33 pm |
    • Unicornbread

      Good reading advice, Steve. Oh, and there is nothing self defeating or rant like about his post, 14Mickey. The fact is that most christians are too frightened to question their own beliefs. Anyone who looks at religious theories about how things came to be or just how things are, with an open mind, will find that almost all of it makes no sense at all. When it stops making sense, christians pull out the good old, "That's why they call it Faith". If I went around telling everyone that I read a book informing me of a giant duck that created the world, lives deep in the Andes and wants me to walk about naked slapping redheads... I would be locked up and given some pills. NOW THAT IS A RANT! BLOG FIVE!

      May 30, 2011 at 5:03 am |
    • iminim

      Close-minded fundamentalists of any religion & even in the agnostic/atheism spectrum do a disservice to their religion or cause. Unfortunently, many people think "close-minded" means anyone who doesn't make the same belief or nonbelief decisions they themselves made. There are plenty of open-minded people who conciously choose a set of faith or nonfaith beliefs after reviewing the information and religious texts. They are open to new ideas but have a totally different set of beliefs which may or may not change or evolve. Any believer/nonbeliever who criticizes people for that choice is guilty of being close-minded themselves. On these blogs there are plenty of believers & nonbelievers defending their decisions & criticizing others but there is a similarity to the rhetoric. It is all in an "I'm right, your wrong" vein. Does anyone think all this blustering & name calling really makes anyone listen to what you have to say or changes anyone's mind about their own beliefs?

      June 3, 2011 at 3:12 pm |
    • Artist

      iminim- does anyone think all this blustering & name calling really makes anyone listen to what you have to say or changes anyone's mind about their own beliefs?
      Why do you assume people want to change other people's minds? Some of us simply find entertainment value in delusional people. Change, heck no...too much fun.

      June 10, 2011 at 1:04 pm |
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