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May 20th, 2011
12:35 PM ET
What would Jesus do: Florida church to pray Sunday for Osama bin LadenBy Amy Sullivan, Time The mass this Sunday at Holy Name of Jesus Catholic Church in West Palm Beach will be offered on behalf of five people. Only one of them is a recently deceased head of a global terrorist network. Parishioner Henry Borga requested the mass intention, on behalf of one Osama bin Laden, which is a long-standing tradition in the Catholic Church in which masses are offered for souls in purgatory or to remember someone who has died or in honor of someone still living. Borga told a local television channel that he placed the request for bin Laden because "he needs forgiveness and compassion from God." Read the full story at Time.com
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YOU CAN'T PRAY FOR DEAD PEOPLE
GIVE IT A REST ALREADY
YOU CAN'T PRAY FOR DEAD PEOPLE
Is it just me, or is muneef's comment rather incoherent? I just woke up. Maybe I should read it again!
OMG....I do not believe what I hear ....Where one man saying would cause a whole nation or race be suspected and discriminated all over the world...!!! This is not fair not fair at all... This one man just with few word has thrown atomic bombs against all Muslims in the name of Taliban Pakistan by their speaker (Mahsood)...
This man not only thrown the bomb on Islam but even against Christians,Jews and those whom he called Infidels...!?
How can a man execute nations bringing distrust,fear and hate among them in the country as well as to those aboard working or citizens in other countries!!!?.this is unfair and unbelievable.... He has made of the late Ossama as the Prince of believers!!
Now only I understand what these blogs were talking about...what's happening to the world is far more dangerous Plague than any Birds Flu... Pigs Flu...or Cow Madness..!!!! This is madness from some one speaking in the name of Islam to do any believers or non believers for a crime they have not committed...that was one of the commandments made to Children of Israel;
Grossness of Murder
[5:32] Because of this, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. Our messengers went to them with clear proofs and revelations, but most of them, after all this, are still transgressing.
Huh?
TOP 10 SIGNS YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN...
10 – You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by
other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 – You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people
evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical
claim that we were created from dirt.
8 – You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 – Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah,
but you don`t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered
all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic
groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 – You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods
sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit
impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back
to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 – You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically
established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing
dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that
Earth is a few generations old.
4 – You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those
who share your beliefs - though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity
in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant"
and "loving."
3 – While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to
convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues"
may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 – You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers.
You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the
remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 – You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the
Bible, Christianity, and church history – but still call yourself a Christian.
Well said. The better you understand the Bible and history of Christianity, the less likely it is that you will be a Christian. I was raised a Christian as a child, and a thorough reading of the Bible was all I needed to realize the whole thing was a crock.
Diamond.
You are right,
They said;
The Pope Has All Power in Heaven and Earth and Can Change Divine Laws
"The Pope is of great authority and power, that he is able to modify, declare, or interpret even divine laws. The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth...".
They said;
"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians.
The Quran said;
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[3:79] Never would a human being whom GOD blessed with the scripture and prophethood say to the people, "Idolize me beside GOD." Instead, (he would say), "Devote yourselves absolutely to your Lord alone," according to the scripture you preach and the teachings you learn.
[3:80] Nor would he command you to idolize the angels and the prophets as lords. Would he exhort you to disbelieve after becoming submitters?
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[9:31] They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.
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[3:64] Say, "O followers of the scripture, let us come to a logical agreement between us and you: that we shall not worship except GOD; that we never set up any idols besides Him, nor set up any human beings as lords beside GOD." If they turn away, say, "Bear witness that we are submitters."
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Special Warning to the Leaders
[19:68] By your Lord, we will certainly summon them, together with the devils, and will gather them around Hell, humiliated.
[19:69] Then we will pick out from each group the most ardent opponent of the Most Gracious.
[19:70] We know full well those who are most deserving of burning therein.
Everyone Sees Hell*
[19:71] Every single one of you must see it; this is an irrevocable decision of your Lord.
[19:72] Then we rescue the righteous, and leave the transgressors in it, humiliated.
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Diamond.
But not totally right.
I do not fit a single one of these ten criteria, and yet I am a Christian, and publicly so – I work on a the staff at a church. The whole point of Christ, and thus of following him as a Christian, is love – encountering the ultimate reality which is acting for our benefit, and participating in that pattern of care by affirming the dignity and beauty of all people, including and especially people who disagree with us or try to hurt us, and working for the common good in a way that respects each person's humanity. This is not easy or normal, so many Christians have a hard time with it. But it is possible, and all of the Catholic teachings are based on experiencing and spreading love. I hope you get the chance to have some deep conversations with Christians who are interested in the same questions you seem to be – science, peace, and justice, humility and integrity. In the mean time, please know two things: that you are absolutely right in criticizing the actions of Christians that are hypocritical, selfish, or in any way un-loving, and secondly, that many Christians are quite loving. Take Catholic sisters, for example. http://www.womenandspirit.org/
The story of Palestine&Israel conflict.
This story will go on for ever until the date life ends on Earth....this ever lasting conflict was planted there because ever since it started it created jobs for war arms manufacturers,it has created good business revenue for war and arms lords,made a good business for those con-fis-cat-ing Palestinians lands&olive trees,turning them in to residential areas for imported Jews,gradually removing Palestinians of all faiths further out of range every time....?
Palestinians having lost bloods,lands and forced out by foreighn people who first came as immigrants needing shelter from Nazi's (generosity of Palestinians have allowed them and treated them kindly) but then the shock was when they Zionests managed in the name of Jews into becoming legal owners of the Palestinians lands because America&the UN thought that was right or rather were threatened into recognizing and signing such ownership deed which understood was signed by the American president at midnight at the white house wearing his sleeping ware and half asleep....!
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So you should not complain since having planted such evil group into the Middle East only helped American&Friends to continue with arms industries,increasing their production and sales to Arabs who needed it fearing attack of the boogyman who claimed that his boarders extend from Palestine towards the Persian Gulf,including within it the Arabian Penisaler,North Africa and to Syrian area....so when such virus threatens that this is his plans...what do you expect from All Arabian countries to do what ever their religion was, would do...!?It was said that "the best of defense is to attack"...
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Those allowed such to be signed knew all the time that this is what was going to happen because it happened repeatedly through out history from time of the crusaders but still they continued with signing it because it meant for them money pouring in for all involved with the trading on this issue which has spoiled the life of the Palestinians and all Arabs ever started war over those lands started with swords and horses that has developed into the present arms that we became to know and only God knows how future arms would look like in few de-ca-des or cen-tur-ies that are yet to come ....?!
this is so STUPID! You can NOT pray a dead person into Heaven; this is the worse FALSE TEACHING (of many) that the Catholic Church has! You have to ASK for forgiveness for yourself. This reminded me of the true story of a mobster hit man using money he got killing someone to pay a priest to pray him into Heaven!
If this animal can go to Heaven then I refuse to go! Osama is sharing a flame with Mohammad.
Jim, you are right. Don't let some false practices of a church put you away from Jesus. This news indicates the level of unconditional compassion of Christians, however wrong the practice is. Loving and forgiving enemy is unique to Christianity. The holy loving God Almighty does justice. You can be at ease. You need repentance and faith for your salvation if you haven't accepted Jesus as your Savior and Lord.
Right on Jim Britt, I only hope this gets some attention on the news and brought out into the open for discussion ....the man in
question is a anti-Christ along with all his followers.
Aren't we all going to share the flame first before can those purified go to heavens?!
Special Warning to the Leaders
[19:68] By your Lord, we will certainly summon them, together with the devils, and will gather them around Hell, humiliated.
[19:69] Then we will pick out from each group the most ardent opponent of the Most Gracious.
[19:70] We know full well those who are most deserving of burning therein.
Everyone Sees Hell*
[19:71] Every single one of you must see it; this is an irrevocable decision of your Lord.
[19:72] Then we rescue the righteous, and leave the transgressors in it, humiliated.
They said;
The Pope Has All Power in Heaven and Earth and Can Change Divine Laws
"The Pope is of great authority and power, that he is able to modify, declare, or interpret even divine laws. The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth...".
They said;
"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians.
The Quran said;
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[3:79] Never would a human being whom GOD blessed with the scripture and prophethood say to the people, "Idolize me beside GOD." Instead, (he would say), "Devote yourselves absolutely to your Lord alone," according to the scripture you preach and the teachings you learn.
[3:80] Nor would he command you to idolize the angels and the prophets as lords. Would he exhort you to disbelieve after becoming submitters?
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[9:31] They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.
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[3:64] Say, "O followers of the scripture, let us come to a logical agreement between us and you: that we shall not worship except GOD; that we never set up any idols besides Him, nor set up any human beings as lords beside GOD." If they turn away, say, "Bear witness that we are submitters."
-------They said;
The Pope Has All Power in Heaven and Earth and Can Change Divine Laws
"The Pope is of great authority and power, that he is able to modify, declare, or interpret even divine laws. The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth...".
They said;
"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians.
The Quran said;
------–
[3:79] Never would a human being whom GOD blessed with the scripture and prophethood say to the people, "Idolize me beside GOD." Instead, (he would say), "Devote yourselves absolutely to your Lord alone," according to the scripture you preach and the teachings you learn.
[3:80] Nor would he command you to idolize the angels and the prophets as lords. Would he exhort you to disbelieve after becoming submitters?
-----
[9:31] They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.
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[3:64] Say, "O followers of the scripture, let us come to a logical agreement between us and you: that we shall not worship except GOD; that we never set up any idols besides Him, nor set up any human beings as lords beside GOD." If they turn away, say, "Bear witness that we are submitters."
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Now go and find who was really behind 9-11
It was either 9-10 or 9-12, depending on which way you are looking.
Oh, that's not what you meant?
I tend to loathe Noam Chomsky, but I recommend that all "truthers" check out his writings and videos on the matter. One of the most efficient debunkings I've ever seen.
What was really behind 9/11:
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Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.
This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.
And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.
It's so very interesting and mildly disturbing that there's so much misconception about the Catholic Church, and/or Christianity in general. This FL Church is doing exactly what Jesus said we should all do, and what the Church says we should do. Love your enemy. (It can be tough sometimes... especially with someone like OBL.)
Also, the Catholic Church doesn't say that people of other religions will go to Hell.
You can NOT pray dead people into heaven. The Catholic "church" LIES and has lied since the horrors they did (worse then modern-day Muslim terrorists) during the middle ages!
If we "loved our enemies" we would all be subjects of a Nazi government!
This church is guilty of TREASON and the pastor should be put on trial and SHOT.
YOU CHRISTIANS and OTHERS who THINK they are RIGHT with JESUS are DEAD wrong! YOU are SO stupid that 99% don,t understand that if GOD is the Father..HIS name is...GOD CHRIST..! NO ONE..POSITIVLY NO ONE can HONESTLY say..JUSUS DIED ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS BECAUSE....NO BODY HERE SAW IT...as Judge Judy would say.."Thats HERESAY "..Even Charlie Manson was a NICE KID ..BUT SOCIETY change that...ALL WILL BE FORGIVEN if anything because you are CLENSED of ALL sin! REMEMBER..IF there is a HEAVEN...NOTHING...NOTHING you are USED TO HERE...drive-in,s..Lowes..Bars...K-Mart..Drinking..ALL that and MORE...ARE NOT THERE..what ya gonna do...?
Actually sir, the execution/crucifixion of the ancient itinerant apocalyptic preacher you refer to WAS well doc-um-ented by the the contemporary Roman historian T-i-tus Flavius Josephus. Non of us were there to see George Washington, but there is no question, by the same logic, that he existed. Before you start calling everyone else names, maybe you better do your homework,
Ignorance is a terrible thing. As Bucky said do your homework. It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt. Mark Twain