My Faith: How I learned to stop 'praying away the gay'
Don Lemon with his grandmother on his third birthday.
May 22nd, 2011
01:00 AM ET

My Faith: How I learned to stop 'praying away the gay'

Editor's Note: Don Lemon is a CNN anchor and author of Transparent, a memoir .

By Don Lemon, CNN

"School day, time to get up, sleepy head. School day."

Although she's been gone since 1998, my grandmother's words ring in my head just about every morning of my life. That's how MaMe, as I called her, got me out of bed and off to my Catholic school when I was growing up and in her care.

But before I shuffled my way to the bathroom to begin my morning routine, I had to hit the floor on my knees to pray, just as I had the night before.

It was usually The Lord's Prayer ("Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name...") followed by asking God to watch and guide me through my day until I returned to the safety of my home that evening.

But MaMe (pronounced MAH-me) didn't know that at a very early age her favorite grandson had begun to pray, silently, that God would change him from being different, from having crushes on boys, from being more curious about boys than girls.

By age four or five, I was too young to sexualize my infatuations but I knew that everyone else, including my family and friends, would think it was wrong.

Perhaps it was the conversations I overheard from adults around my hometown of Port Allen, Louisiana, who'd mimic gay people, calling them "funny" or "sissy" or "fagots."

Perhaps it was Sunday mornings at our Baptist church, where preachers taught that liking someone of the same sex was a direct and swift path to hell. And that if that person would just turn to the Lord and confess his sin, then God would change him back into the person He wanted him to be - a person who only had crushes on the opposite sex.

All of which meant that, from a very early age, I began to think I was dirty and that I was going to hell. Can you imagine what that feels like for a kid who was just learning to read and perform basic arithmetic? It was awful.

And talk about guilt - I was a Baptist attending Catholic school!

I prayed the silent prayer for God to change me every chance I got until I started attending college in New York. That's when common sense began to take hold and I realized that no amount of prayer would change me into something that wasn't natural to me.

With my religious upbringing, I'd had the opportunity to study religious doctrine. But I learned from different perspectives, from Catholic Mass on Fridays to Baptist services on Sundays to vacation Bible school in the summer to Bible study with a Jehovah's Witness as a teenager.

As I got older I began to realize that all these people and institutions interpreted the Bible somewhat differently. I had a sort of epiphany: the Bible was about the lessons you learned, not about the events or words.

When I became old enough, intelligent enough and logical enough to discern the difference between metaphor and reality, everything changed. I realized that Jonah living in the belly of a whale was a parable written in the same vein as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. saying that he had "been to the mountaintop."

Neither Jonah nor King had actually been to those places. They were metaphors for lessons for those of us who cared to absorb them.

So many of us, especially in the black community and in churches, tend to think that religious teachings happened word for word as they were written in Scripture. I think that's naïve, even dangerous.

That type of thinking - or non-thinking - keeps many religious people enslaved to beliefs that they haven't truly stepped back from and examined.

That type of thinking causes people who are otherwise good to shun and ostracize young gay people.

It causes people to want to control and change people who aren't like them. And who wants to be like someone else?

Imagine if we had allowed Christian doctrines and teachings that supported slavery, segregation and the subjugation of women to pervade our society all the way up until the current moment. What kind of world would that be?

Instead, we got on our knees, just as I did as a little boy, and prayed that slavery, segregation and the subjugation of women would end. In the United States, at least, those prayers have largely been realized.

I'm no longer the member of any church but I do believe in a higher power.

It's time for us, especially black people, to stop trying to pray the gay away and to get on our knees and start praying that the discrimination of gay people ends.

What we're doing to our young gay people now is child abuse. It's plain old bigotry and hatred. And if African-Americans don't know what that feels like in America, I don't know who does.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Don Lemon.

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Walter

    "..common sense began to take hold and I realized that no amount of prayer would change me into something that wasn't natural to me." D.Lemon
    Don, you couldn't be more wrong. So many angles to approach to this. First, if what you "pray" to is simply a higher power rather than the author and creator of prayer, then you're simply dancing around alters like the 450 fools in I Kings 18:17-36, praying for rain from gods that don't exist. One God. One Truth. Secondly, how dare anyone minimize the redeeming blood of Christ by submitting his or her life to such a lustful and trite nature. "…The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective..." James5:16-18

    May 22, 2011 at 6:40 pm |
    • welladjusted

      so walter, you prayed to turn straight and it worked? cool!

      May 22, 2011 at 6:43 pm |
    • DonD

      No, at that time, Don was praying to the Christian god. It either does not exist, or it likes to create people so it can have fun condemning them. Much like it's followers.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:45 pm |
    • Scott G

      The work of one man is a billion times more powerful than a billion prayers said a billion times.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
    • David


      I'd like to be the first to welcome you to 2011.

      It's disappointing to see such a closed minded individual, such as yourself, posting on this board. You must be one of those people that blames every fault of society on the lack of religion/faith that everyone seems to lack today. I hope that one day you can open your mind and truly enjoy life and all that it has to offer and be able to embrace everyone with an open minded perspective. Unfortunately, I'm sure you will never have the privilege. My best advise.... wake up. Gone are the days when close minded antics of the church will be tolerated. You and your kind are slowly dwindling in number.

      Have a great day

      May 22, 2011 at 7:09 pm |
  2. Observer X

    Welladjusted... To tell a lie is a Mosiac law.Does the new coveant say its ok to lie?

    May 22, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
    • welladjusted

      i havnt lied..u however said it was in the ten commandments.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:41 pm |
    • Observer X

      I said read the ten commandments meaning read the part where it talks about adultry. Being gay falls in that category of sin because being gay and marraige is not legal in most states or by God. If it was ok it would be legal in the whole United States

      May 22, 2011 at 6:46 pm |
    • Observer X

      Anwser my question? I didn't say you lied I said is it ok to lie since th Mosiac law doesn't matter to you anymore?

      May 22, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
    • Observer X

      I'm waiting.......

      May 22, 2011 at 6:55 pm |
    • Dorianmode

      Ahh, you mean to NOT tell a lie is a Mosaic law ? The ninth, (the eighth in the Lutheran and Catholic traditions) commandment does not forbid lying, it forbids "bearing false witness against one's neighbor".
      Did you mean COVENANT ? What is a coveant ?
      Adultry ? Did you mean "ADULTERY" ?
      Since the Ten Commandments preceded the "States" by about 2300 tears, to conflate the two in any way is preposterous, and to say that just because a law does not exist in all fifty states makes it invalid, is equally ridiculous. Slavery was legal in some states, not all, did that make it right ?
      OMG, why did I even bother to do this ? It's like talking to a rock.
      Over and out.

      May 22, 2011 at 7:27 pm |
  3. Flora

    I agree with most of the article. While I'm happy that he was eventually able to sort out the truth from the hate & learn to love himself in his natural state. taking some of the Biblical parables as literal is in no way naive or 'dangerous'.

    What a lot of people tend to forget is that the Good Book is really an anthology of 26 shorter books, written by 26 different authors at 26 different time periods. As a writer myself, I can tell you that your writing style is pretty much like your fingerprint – they can be similar, but not the same.

    That alone leads me to believe that certain parts of the Bible were meant to be interpreted differently from others. Some parts are metaphoric, while some parts are literal. To me, saying that the whole Bible is metaphoric only is basically the same as saying that it's literal only, possibly with the same (or similar) negative results.

    May 22, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
  4. paul

    This world is a cease pool of immorality,and everybody here can call it whatever they like, or make up any lame excuse that fits to justify their conscience.God calls it for what it is, SIN plain and simple black and white. Many are called and few are chosen,im so glad i know the truth and am not blinded by Satan.Where are all the true Christians? they are to scared to post on a site that is supposed to be about belief?there only atheist here who wanna bash the truth.MAN I CANT WAIT TILL JUDGEMENT DAY.

    May 22, 2011 at 6:36 pm |
    • Lori

      I think you meant 'I can't wait until the next judgment day'

      May 22, 2011 at 6:37 pm |
    • welladjusted

      Im a true Christian, and I'm gay. I'll argue bible with you all day, and can prove it to you jesus is cool with me being gay.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:38 pm |
    • Aginor

      It's a dysfunction. Clearly.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
    • Colin

      wow, just....wow. Enjoy the Kool Aid?

      May 22, 2011 at 6:41 pm |
    • 1word

      I'm with you Paul, they can say I'm judging all they want but God wants to save souls. How can you save someone without telling them the truth. That's why the world will never end until God has met his quota, once he has enough righteous souls to worship him he will cast the Devil away from this world and all the Saints will live in peace and Harmony while serving Jesus Christ!

      May 22, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
    • 1word

      well adjusted, you're kidding yourself! Keep living in sin, have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? Well until you have you don't know Jesus!

      May 22, 2011 at 6:53 pm |
  5. Observer X

    Since gays cannot marry in most states. Does it fall in the adultry category?

    May 22, 2011 at 6:34 pm |
    • welladjusted

      yes, in the states where it is not legeal for gays to marry it is adultry, and in those where it is legal, and those involved have jesus...it is not adultry.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:36 pm |
    • Aginor

      It's a dysfunction, and should continue to be seen as such. They need help.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:54 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      I think there's a pill for that.

      May 22, 2011 at 7:29 pm |
  6. Yolanda

    You need to get back on your knees and ask God for deliverance. Your grandmother turning over in her grave. Rebuke that devil in the name of Jesus. Tell that devil to get thee behind you. Cry out to the Lord. It can be done. Ask God to cleanse you and give you new beginnings. He is able. I promise you deliverance in the name of Jesus. I will pray for you.

    May 22, 2011 at 6:31 pm |
    • Observer X

      Amen!! America still has hope...

      May 22, 2011 at 6:32 pm |
    • welladjusted

      I did all that. That is when Jesus showed me in the bible that as long as I believe in him, all those mosaic laws are void.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
    • Theodore

      My grandmother came out when she was 52. She is fine with it.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
    • Colin

      Praying? Isn't that where you think certain thoughts and god reads your mind. Da-mn you Christians believe in silly superst-itions.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
    • Observer X

      Colin... Who's being hateful now? Does your religion say its ok to bash Christians?

      May 22, 2011 at 6:41 pm |
    • Aginor

      What a way to live. "I'll just void everything I don't agree with so I can do whatever I want" No responsibility. No expectations. Perfect.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:42 pm |
    • Colin

      ObserverX – Not hatred, but intellectual disdain. I have no respect for people stupid enough to blindly accept 2,000 year old myths, then tell others (including, topically, gays) how they must behave based on such nonsense.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
    • Flora

      Don't make promises you know good & well you can't keep.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:48 pm |
    • Observer X

      @Colin That's totally fine to believe whatever you wish.It is also my right to believe whatever I want.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:50 pm |
  7. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    It's not a sin to be born deficient, as Aginor was. It is a sin to remain that way purposely.

    May 22, 2011 at 6:28 pm |
  8. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    Being born as stupid and ignorant as Aginor isn't a crime. Staying that way is.

    May 22, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
    • Aginor

      You're comments reflex you're intolerance to opposing views. Nothing more needs to be said to you.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
  9. welladjusted

    observer....adultry is only if you are not married.

    May 22, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
    • Observer X

      right..so is being gay a sin?

      May 22, 2011 at 6:31 pm |
  10. Reality

    o All "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    Of course, those g-ays who belong to Abrahamic religions abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences and Abrahamic and other religious traditions said mon-ogamous ventures should always be called same-s-ex unions not same-s-ex marriages.

    May 22, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
  11. Damian


    10 – You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by
    other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

    9 – You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people
    evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical
    claim that we were created from dirt.

    8 – You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

    7 – Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah,
    but you don`t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered
    all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic
    groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

    6 – You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods
    sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit
    impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back
    to life and then ascended into the sky.

    5 – You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically
    established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing
    dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that
    Earth is a few generations old.

    4 – You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those
    who share your beliefs - though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity
    in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant"
    and "loving."

    3 – While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to
    convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues"
    may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

    2 – You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers.
    You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the
    remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

    1 – You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the
    Bible, Christianity, and church history – but still call yourself a Christian.

    May 22, 2011 at 6:26 pm |
    • Colin

      Ok, copying, sending to everybody I know. Great post.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:29 pm |
    • Peace2All




      May 22, 2011 at 6:40 pm |
    • keefah

      It's amazing how knowledgable and full of declarative authority you are about points that are so irrelevent as to be ignorable by real Christians. Where do you get this stuff, Mad magazine? What a blow-hard.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:40 pm |
    • paul

      Typical. you dont know squat! the more science discovers about biology and astro physics, the more it points to intelligent design! Im done sugar coating the truth GOD wants believers. Sorry you dont qualify.Jesus Christ said many are called and few are chosen!

      May 22, 2011 at 6:42 pm |
    • Zahara

      Love it! Too true...you just put into words everything I have felt...wish I had written it...instead, I will copy and repost it everywhere!

      May 22, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
    • Scott G

      Yep – belief in a higher power completely defies all logic . . and the xtian fables in particular are hilarious and dangerous.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
    • Jon

      Damian, EXCELLENT post... but I'm not swayed. I respect your honest challenge and indictment of Christians – I think a LOT of people will probably agree with your post. That said.. you are mistaken on some KEY points.

      #10 is absolutely correct.

      #9 It isn't so much that I personally feel "insulted" by claims that I came from a monkey or primordial ooze or whatever... rather, I find it offensive because the Bible says that man was created in the image of God.

      #8 You say as a Christian, I "have no problem" believing in a triune God. That's not exactly true. I know MANY Christians who can't wrap their brains around the idea of the Trinity. With my limited brain (not to mention the fact that we only use 10% of our facility), I think there are going to be some things about God I'm just NOT going to be able to fully grasp. And that is okay.

      #7 Another assumption – as a Christian, I am not suppose to "flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt... and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups..." You are quite wrong. I DO flinch. The Bible teaches FEAR of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. There are horrible "atrocities" (which you rightly point out) in scripture, a lot of it God-ordained... it should give Christians pause! Absolutely! The God we say we worship is a God of war, a God of Justice, and a God who will judge the world in righteousness! He did not spare His own son. So, you are incorrect... Recognizing these attributes of God absolutely makes the Christian flinch!

      #6 I don't laugh at Hinduism. Nor do I laugh at the Greek claims about gods sleeping with women. But you are right about the third point: I have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to Jesus who was crucified, buried, and on the third day rose. You are correct. I have no problem believing this. Why? Let me ask you a question – if I say I believe that God is the Creator of the universe, which I do say, which I do believe. Then which is more difficult – to create the entire universe out of nothing? Or to have the Holy Spirit impregnate Mary and so on and so forth...

      #5 I don't know how old the Earth is. I've read some stuff on the 6,000 year claim, some stuff on evolution, some stuff on intelligent design, some stuff on the GAP theory.. but I'm not informed enough to make a decision. One thing's for sure – with all the news of people suffering in the world (tornadoes, storms, starvation, etc.) no, I'm not going to spend my life looking for loopholes. Got more important things to do.

      #4 "Sharing MY beliefs" will not SAVE anyone. Agreeing with me will not save anyone. Jesus said "No one comes to the Father except through me." How He chooses to reveal Himself and make Himself known to people – well, that's His business. It may not be through the quote-unquote "sinner's prayer." It may not be through a traditional altar call. It may be through a thief-on-the-cross type situation where someone merely recognizes "I'm not right with the man upstairs." It may be through a dream or a vision. BUT having said that... as HORRIFIC (and I really want to stress that word – HORRIFIC)... as HORRIFIC as it is to consider, the Bible does warn that "wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are MANY who go in by it." (Matthew 7:13) Not my words. Not even what I would wish on my worst enemy. But it says what it says. Again, God is who He says He is. I am not going to defend Him. He makes no apologies for who He is. It is up to YOU to come to terms with Him.. or not.

      Oh, and you are incorrect in your statement that I believe my religion is "most tolerant." Absolutely false. God is a God of mercy, grace, justice, wrath, love, all of it... but tolerance ain't on that list. There will come a day when God judges the world in righteousness. The Bible says "every knee will bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord." God is a jealous God... His desire is that none should perish. That in mind, why on earth would He (or SHOULD He) be tolerant of anything that would distract or steal your heart from Him?

      #3 No. Signs and wonders didn't work back in Jesus's day, so I'm not convinced that some dude rolling on the floor speaking in tongues (which I've actually witnessed) would move anyone toward Christianity. It might actually have the opposite effect. And as far as PROVING Christianity, do you mean PROVING it to YOU? Or PROVING to myself? I think I've already established that FAITH plays a vital part in Christianity. Again, the Bible says "That which is not done in faith is sin" (to paraphrase Romans 14). How can I do anything that would actually bring honor to God if I don't personally believe that He even exists?

      #2 I don't agree.

      #1 I probably know more scripture than some, and less than other folks. Never really took time to measure my brain against others. But knowing a LOT doesn't necessarily make you WISE. The Bible says "knowledge puffs up." So I could go around boasting about how much I think I know... and maybe I'll run into someone who knows more than I do, or maybe i won't. Bottom line? The definition of "Christian" is to imitate Christ. That's all. What does having a big brain matter? The question is: do you have a heart to serve God? Jesus did. "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." (John 6:38)

      May 23, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
  12. Colin

    10 Reasons Why Gay Marriage is Wrong

    01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

    02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

    03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

    04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

    05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; My parents ran out and got divorced the minute they heard two gays got married in Vermont.

    06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

    07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

    08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. We really want social policy to be set by people who follow Iron Age myths from the Middle East that were codified during the Dark Ages.

    09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

    10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

    May 22, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
    • klarg

      Your point 7 has been soundly refuted by demographic, psychological ans sociological research. Utterly and completely. I used to believe, that as you contend, gay parents would cause any children to also be gay, but facts refuted my belief so I abandoned that erroneous belief.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:29 pm |
    • klarg

      Oops, for a moment I took your post seriously. Mea culpa.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:31 pm |
    • Robert

      @Klarg...Based on the rest of the post #7 is actually sarcasm.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:32 pm |
    • Peace2All


      Absolutely fck-ing brilliant !!! LOL...!!! 🙂


      May 22, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
    • mojojo

      klarg, you do realize that whole post was sarcasm?

      May 22, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
  13. John Thomas

    Don – Whats the chance of you going to an Arab country and doing a story on Gays?. You are part of an agenda thats here to attach Christianity. " The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."

    May 22, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
  14. nicole

    I'm Christian and I believe Jesus would not be condemning people for who they love. Neither should we. I have many gay friends, and I wholly support them. I feel a lot of people in my religion are claiming their bias is founded because of a few verses and ignoring the whole of acceptance that Jesus taught.

    May 22, 2011 at 6:23 pm |
    • Zero Tolerance

      Jesus also said "Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand." (Matt 3:2)

      Do not confuse his fellowship with sinners as "acceptance" or "tolerance." He befriended them to win over their hearts to holiness...as should we.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:36 pm |
    • Scott G

      If jesus was real he hated humanity with a passion. To think jesus COULD have prevented millions of deaths and countless suffering with a little advice on germs and how to make lenses and movable type.
      But he chose not to educate the primitive and ignorant man.
      Instead he purposefully withheld that information KNOWING it would result in the deaths of millions of innocent children and the countless suffering and torture of billions of human beings.
      The idiot savior decided to perform silly magic tricks instead of doing some REAL good.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:50 pm |
    • 1word

      Nicole, Jesus gave his life for our sins. Being GAY is a sin, don't let his sacrifice be in vain! If he can lay his life down for us, we should do the same for him and give up SIN!

      May 22, 2011 at 7:01 pm |
  15. Colin

    If (and I admit its highly doubtful) there reallyu were 12 apostles, it is statistically likely that one or two of the mwere gay.

    May 22, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
    • klarg

      0.36 to 0.48.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:26 pm |
    • Observer X

      If you don't even believe the bible what is your argument?

      May 22, 2011 at 6:29 pm |
    • Colin

      observerX – that even if you buy into the Christian fiarytales, the ypredict that being gay is ok.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:32 pm |
    • Scott G

      If there was a jesus he hated and disrespected women and thought of them as second class.

      May 22, 2011 at 7:05 pm |
  16. klarg

    There is no passage in the book in question that reports the direct words of of the two main protagonists that even mentions gay behavoir. Seems it "pales by comparison" with many other issues which they did directly address.

    May 22, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
    • welladjusted

      Go get em tiger! Sorry observer...looks like you are the one who hasnt read the bible.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:22 pm |
    • klarg

      For some reason any mention of the deity, the book, or certain behaviors caused my post to be sent to moderation (aka deletion), so I wanted to see if any semblance of my comment could get through. Free speech ain't free or easy.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:23 pm |
  17. Colin

    You can be pretty sure you created god in your image when it turns out he hates all the same people you do.

    May 22, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
    • paul

      you really are ignorant! I could tear you apart in an apologetic argument, but I wont waste my breath. Christ said dont cast your pearls before swine!

      May 22, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
  18. Observer X

    Define marraige...Define gay...read the ten commandments

    May 22, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
    • welladjusted

      gay isnt in the ten commandments.......

      read any of the bible.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
    • dalis

      Civil marriage or sacramental marriage?

      May 22, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
    • Observer X

      It falls in with adultry

      May 22, 2011 at 6:23 pm |
    • Robert

      An interesting fact is that the translation of Leviticus, the primary source for Christian prohibition against being gay, is not correct in King James Bible. The original translation uses to Greek words that translate as 'in your nature' and 'not in your nature'. Translated correctly the most popular verse against being gay actually suggests that it is a sin to lie with someone of the same gender if it is 'not in your nature'. It does not say anything about whether or not it is natural.

      Sheds a whole different light on the issue.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
  19. klarg

    Is anything I write sent to "moderation?"

    May 22, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
    • Reality


      The moderators of this blog have set up a secret forbidden word filter which unfortunately not only will delete or put your comment in the dreaded "waiting for moderation" category but also will do the same to words having fragments of these words. For example, "t-it" is in the set but the filter will also pick up words like Hitt-ite, t-itle, beati-tude, practi-tioner and const-tution. Then there are words like "an-al" thereby flagging words like an-alysis and "c-um" flagging acc-umulate or doc-ument. And there is also "r-a-pe", “a-pe” and “gra-pe”, "s-ex", and "hom-ose-xual". You would think that the moderators would have corrected this by now considering the number of times this has been commented on but they have not. To be safe, I typically add hyphens in any word that said filter might judge "of-fensive".

      • More than one web address will also activate “waiting for moderation”. Make sure the web address does not have any forbidden word or fragment.

      Sum Dude routinely updates the list of forbidden words/fragments.

      Two of the most filtered words are those containing the fragments "t-it" and "c-um". To quickly check your comments for these fragments, click on "Edit" on the Tool Bar and then "Find" on the menu. Add a fragment (without hyphens) one at a time in the "Find" slot and the offending fragment will be highlighted in your comments before you hit the Post button. Hyphenate the fragment(s) and then hit Post. And remember more than one full web address will also gain a "Waiting for Moderation".

      And said moderators still have not solved the chronological placement of comments once the number of comments gets above about 100. They recently have taken to dividing the comments in batches of 50 or so, for some strange reason. Maybe they did this to solve the chronology problem only to make comment reviews beyond the tedious.

      “Raison's Filter Fiber© (joking about the copyright)
      1. Here's my latest list – this seems like a good spot to set this down, as nobody's posting much on this thread.....
      bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to post that wonderful argument:
      Many, if not most are buried within other words, but I am not shooting for the perfect list, so use your imagination and add any words I have missed as a comment (no one has done this yet)
      – I found some but forgot to write them down. (shrugs).
      c-um.........as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, etc.
      sp-ic........as in disp-icable (look out Sylvester the cat!)
      ho-mo...whether ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, etc.
      t-it.........const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, etc.
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, (an unexpected one)
      va-g....as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant
      ar-se....yet "ass" is not filtered!
      jacka-ss...but ass is fine lol
      p-is.....as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, etc.
      o ficti-tious, repeti-tion, competi-tion.
      There are more, so do not assume that this is complete.
      okay words that you might not expect to be filtered....!!!

      Here's a word to add to the banned list: co-co-on
      whether it's c-oc, or co-on, this is ridiculous.”

      May 22, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
    • Faithful

      That's hilarious! (and very helpful, thanks!)

      May 22, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
    • klarg

      Good gosh! Was that (previous sentence) also intercepted? This bowdlerization shall not stand, man (poorly quoting the dude poorly quoting George Bush).

      May 22, 2011 at 6:36 pm |
    • klarg

      For some reason any mention of the deity, the book, or certain behaviors caused my post to be sent to moderation (aka deletion), so I wanted to see if any semblance of my comment could get through. Free speech ain't free or easy.

      Really naughty stuff.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:40 pm |
    • Bucky Ball

      Thanks. We were talking about this earlier, and I mentioned you might be along, and you were THE expert on this.
      (Copying your list), hope that's ok.

      May 22, 2011 at 7:32 pm |
  20. rfoster20

    No Mattter how much you try to rationalize your lifestyle choices, it doesn't change Gods' word. If your living a gay lifestyle your are living in sin. God didn't make you like that bruh. Perhaps your lack of parenting or the childhood abuse, but God didn't do it. And your desires are not an excuse. Everyone has a desire to sin. Grow up and be responsible. And Jonah was really in the belly of a whale by the way. If you actually read and paid attention you would know that biblical parables dont have names in them. Youre not intelligent you're looking for a cop out. You want it both ways. Is Romans chapter 1 metaphor too.

    May 22, 2011 at 6:17 pm |
    • Observer


      No matter how much you try to rationalize, the Bible contains the GOLDEN RULE. Try reading about it and following it.

      May 22, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
    • TheyNotHim

      God's word to me was: "Tell all who will listen to reject the bible for that collection is not my Word, but the word of man."

      June 2, 2011 at 12:03 am |
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