Actually, that's not in the Bible
Satan tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden right? Nope. That's one of many phantom passages that people think are in the Bible.
June 5th, 2011
01:00 AM ET

Actually, that's not in the Bible

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - NFL legend Mike Ditka was giving a news conference one day after being fired as the coach of the Chicago Bears when he decided to quote the Bible.

“Scripture tells you that all things shall pass,” a choked-up Ditka said after leading his team to only five wins during the previous season.  “This, too, shall pass.”

Ditka fumbled his biblical citation, though. The phrase “This, too, shall pass” doesn’t appear in the Bible. Ditka was quoting a phantom scripture that sounds like it belongs in the Bible, but look closer and it’s not there.

Ditka’s biblical blunder is as common as preachers delivering long-winded public prayers. The Bible may be the most revered book in America, but it’s also one of the most misquoted. Politicians, motivational speakers, coaches - all types of people  - quote passages that actually have no place in the Bible, religious scholars say.

These phantom passages include:

“God helps those who help themselves.”

“Spare the rod, spoil the child.”

And there is this often-cited paraphrase: Satan tempted Eve to eat the forbidden apple in the Garden of Eden.

None of those passages appear in the Bible, and one is actually anti-biblical, scholars say.

But people rarely challenge them because biblical ignorance is so pervasive that it even reaches groups of people who should know better, says Steve Bouma-Prediger, a religion professor at Hope College in Holland, Michigan.

“In my college religion classes, I sometimes quote 2 Hesitations 4:3 (‘There are no internal combustion engines in heaven’),” Bouma-Prediger says. “I wait to see if anyone realizes that there is no such book in the Bible and therefore no such verse.

“Only a few catch on.”

Few catch on because they don’t want to - people prefer knowing biblical passages that reinforce their pre-existing beliefs, a Bible professor says.

“Most people who profess a deep love of the Bible have never actually read the book,” says Rabbi Rami Shapiro, who once had to persuade a student in his Bible class at Middle Tennessee State University that the saying “this dog won’t hunt” doesn’t appear in the Book of Proverbs.

“They have memorized parts of texts that they can string together to prove the biblical basis for whatever it is they believe in,” he says, “but they ignore the vast majority of the text."

Phantom biblical passages work in mysterious ways

Ignorance isn’t the only cause for phantom Bible verses. Confusion is another.

Some of the most popular faux verses are pithy paraphrases of biblical concepts or bits of folk wisdom.

Consider these two:

“God works in mysterious ways.”

“Cleanliness is next to Godliness.”

Both sound as if they are taken from the Bible, but they’re not. The first is a paraphrase of a 19th century hymn by the English poet William Cowper (“God moves in a mysterious way, His wonders to perform).

The “cleanliness” passage was coined by John Wesley, the 18th century evangelist who founded Methodism,  says Thomas Kidd, a history professor at Baylor University in Texas.

“No matter if John Wesley or someone else came up with a wise saying - if it sounds proverbish, people figure it must come from the Bible,” Kidd says.

Our fondness for the short and tweet-worthy may also explain our fondness for phantom biblical phrases. The pseudo-verses function like theological tweets: They’re pithy summarizations of biblical concepts.

“Spare the rod, spoil the child” falls into that category. It’s a popular verse - and painful for many kids. Could some enterprising kid avoid the rod by pointing out to his mother that it's not in the Bible?

It’s doubtful. Her possible retort: The popular saying is a distillation of Proverbs 13:24: “The one who withholds [or spares] the rod is one who hates his son.”

Another saying that sounds Bible-worthy: “Pride goes before a fall.” But its approximation, Proverbs 16:18, is actually written: “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

There are some phantom biblical verses for which no excuse can be offered. The speaker goofed.

That’s what Bruce Wells, a theology professor, thinks happened to Ditka, the former NFL coach, when he strayed from the gridiron to biblical commentary during his 1993 press conference in Chicago.

Wells watched Ditka’s biblical blunder on local television when he lived in Chicago. After Ditka cited the mysterious passage, reporters scrambled unsuccessfully the next day to find the biblical source.

They should have consulted Wells, who is now director of the ancient studies program at Saint Joseph’s University in Pennsylvania. Wells says Ditka’s error probably came from a peculiar feature of the King James Bible.

“My hunch on the Ditka quote is that it comes from a quirk of the King James translation,” Wells says. “Ancient Hebrew had a particular way of saying things like, ‘and the next thing that happened was…’ The King James translators of the Old Testament consistently rendered this as ‘and it came to pass.’ ’’

When phantom Bible passages turn dangerous

People may get verses wrong, but they also mangle plenty of well-known biblical stories as well.

Two examples: The scripture never says a whale swallowed Jonah, the Old Testament prophet, nor did any New Testament passages say that three wise men visited baby Jesus, scholars say.

Those details may seem minor, but scholars say one popular phantom Bible story stands above the rest: The Genesis story about the fall of humanity.

Most people know the popular version - Satan in the guise of a serpent tempts Eve to pick the forbidden apple from the Tree of Life. It’s been downhill ever since.

But the story in the book of Genesis never places Satan in the Garden of Eden.

“Genesis mentions nothing but a serpent,” says Kevin Dunn, chair of the department of religion at Tufts University in Massachusetts.

“Not only does the text not mention Satan, the very idea of Satan as a devilish tempter postdates the composition of the Garden of Eden story by at least 500 years,” Dunn says.

Getting biblical scriptures and stories wrong may not seem significant, but it can become dangerous, one scholar says.

Most people have heard this one: “God helps those that help themselves.” It’s another phantom scripture that appears nowhere in the Bible, but many people think it does. It's actually attributed to Benjamin Franklin, one of the nation's founding fathers.

The passage is popular in part because it is a reflection of cherished American values: individual liberty and self-reliance, says Sidnie White Crawford, a religious studies scholar at the University of Nebraska.

Yet that passage contradicts the biblical definition of goodness: defining one’s worth by what one does for others, like the poor and the outcast, Crawford says.

Crawford cites a scripture from Leviticus that tells people that when they harvest the land, they should leave some “for the poor and the alien” (Leviticus 19:9-10), and another passage from Deuteronomy that declares that people should not be “tight-fisted toward your needy neighbor.”

“We often infect the Bible with our own values and morals, not asking what the Bible’s values and morals really are,” Crawford says.

Where do these phantom passages come from?

It’s easy to blame the spread of phantom biblical passages on pervasive biblical illiteracy. But the causes are varied and go back centuries.

Some of the guilty parties are anonymous, lost to history. They are artists and storytellers who over the years embellished biblical stories and passages with their own twists.

If, say, you were an anonymous artist painting the Garden of Eden during the Renaissance, why not portray the serpent as the devil to give some punch to your creation? And if you’re a preacher telling a story about Jonah, doesn’t it just sound better to say that Jonah was swallowed by a whale, not a “great fish”?

Others blame the spread of phantom Bible passages on King James, or more specifically the declining popularity of the King James translation of the Bible.

That translation, which marks 400 years of existence this year, had a near monopoly on the Bible market as recently as 50 years ago, says Douglas Jacobsen, a professor of church history and theology at Messiah College in Pennsylvania.

“If you quoted the Bible and got it wrong then, people were more likely to notice because there was only one text,” he says. “Today, so many different translations are used that almost no one can tell for sure if something supposedly from the Bible is being quoted accurately or not.”

Others blame the spread of phantom biblical verses on Martin Luther, the German monk who ignited the Protestant Reformation, the massive “protest” against the excesses of the Roman Catholic Church that led to the formation of Protestant church denominations.

“It is a great Protestant tradition for anyone - milkmaid, cobbler, or innkeeper - to be able to pick up the Bible and read for herself. No need for a highly trained scholar or cleric to walk a lay person through the text,” says Craig Hazen, director of the Christian Apologetics program at Biola University in Southern California.

But often the milkmaid, the cobbler - and the NFL coach - start creating biblical passages without the guidance of biblical experts, he says.

“You can see this manifest today in living room Bible studies across North America where lovely Christian people, with no training whatsoever, drink decaf, eat brownies and ask each other, ‘What does this text mean to you?’’’ Hazen says.

“Not only do they get the interpretation wrong, but very often end up quoting verses that really aren’t there.”

- CNN Writer

Filed under: Belief • Bible • Books • Christianity • Faith

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  1. private interpretations

    I understand the complaints that many have to this article; however, I believe that many fails to see the intent of the author. Mr. Blake is not pointing out any errors in popular interpretations of Biblical passages. He is pointing out that we often have a too casual understanding, and in some cases, an erroneous understanding of what the Bible actually says.
    I would remind people of 2 Peters 1:20 which warns against the private interpretation of Scripture. Yes, some matters are indeed better left to the theologians.

    June 5, 2011 at 11:01 am |
    • from the ants

      So god gave me a mind but i'm not suqosed to use it? i'll just follow blindly to the slaughter. Hmmm

      June 5, 2011 at 11:13 am |
    • KC

      Even then–I would be weary of the theologians as well–epecially if there is a political agenda as the Catholic church had that led to the Protestant Reformation

      June 5, 2011 at 11:16 am |
    • bubbles

      Actually 2 Peter 1:20 says "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things." That doesn't warn laymen not to interpret the bible. It is reiterating 2 Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"

      June 5, 2011 at 11:16 am |
    • Larry

      Apostolic Authority.


      June 5, 2011 at 11:57 am |
  2. James Black


    June 5, 2011 at 11:00 am |
  3. audrey

    The quote is only one persons paraphase with very similar meaning – from the verse we find in Proverbs 23:13:

    "Do not hold back discipline from the child, Although you strike him with the rod, he will not die."

    William Langland's, The vision of William concerning Piers Plowman, 1377, includes this line:

    "Who-so spareth ye sprynge, spilleth his children."

    'Sprynge' was commonly used in mediaeval English to mean the verb 'spring', i.e. 'rise quickly, at a bound'. It seems that Langland was using here as a synonym for 'sprig', i.e. rod or offshoot of a plant – 'Spilleth' is used to mean 'spoils'

    June 5, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • BoomBoom

      Thats cool but the Bible was not written in Europe. I saw on the history channel where the word for poisoner was mistranslated in Europe from poisoner to witch. So it changed from thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live. To thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Then I do believe a lot of ugly things happened. Just sayin.

      June 5, 2011 at 11:12 am |
  4. josef escopio

    i do read the bilble, and all saying are there, but like Jesus says,only to does that are save is given the understanding, he also says that the unsafe because he now everything are like the blind leading the blind.

    June 5, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • gremlin

      I don't believe you've actually read the Bible. Mainly because I don't believe you can read.

      June 5, 2011 at 11:03 am |
    • Leon

      Gremlin - If he cant read , he cant write . And his writing looks good to me .
      Josef has a point . Jesus did say that only the few would find the narrow path .
      Look at the world Gremlin , does it look like the world is ON the narrow path ?
      If you want to find the narrow path , you have to abandon the modern world .
      In mind and in way to live .
      The modern world is on a path to destroy itself . And quite close to in fact .

      June 15, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
  5. MeaningIsTheKey

    The problem with the misued phrase "God helps those who helps themselves" is that people have warped what was meant by that phrase in the past. In it's past usage it was not opposite of the bible, it was quite consistent. The phrase did NOT mean to be selfish. It specifically meant that people must look to themselves before looking to others to help them. It is an admonition against just sitting back and expecting others – like the government – to take care of you. Jesus railed against and gave forgiveness to the sins of tax collectors. Relying on oneself is a biblical virtue, just as being loving and unselfish and VOLUNTARILY providing for others is a biblical virtue. Frocibly taking from others to force them to provide for others is OPPOSITE of Jesus' teachings. The fact that people have misinterpretted the non-biblical phrasology of "God helps those that heps themselves" is the only reason it has evolved to be inconsistent with actual bible teaching. All the other examples this article cites are nit-picks on phrasing, but they are consistent with bible teachings. And anyway, NO phrasing would match the bible exactly since it is a translation anyway.

    June 5, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • sowgoodseeds

      That phrase was not misinterpreted, it was never in the Bible at all. You are a great example of what the author was just saying- trying to fit the Bible to your own personal beliefs. Jesus knew there will always be poor people, and He admonished us to always try to HELP them, not cure them of their poverty (which may not be possible in most cases).

      June 5, 2011 at 11:15 am |
    • MeaningIsTheKey

      Sow – you need to read more carefully – I specifically in my statement said it is a non-biblical phrase. My point was that the position the article took that it was opposite of the teaching of the bible is false. I am old enough to recall how it waqs regularly used quite a few decades ago. Jesus adminished people to HELP others – absolutely – but not to STEAL from one person to help another. Jesus was NOT pro-taxes. A person whose money is forcibly taken from him to help another has not been virtuous, nor is the person who forcibly took the money. A person who voluntarily gives his money to help another has been virtuous.

      June 5, 2011 at 11:20 am |
    • Leon

      Good point there . There is in fact ONLY 1 Bible that is correct . And that 1 is NOT available for the public . And it is full of holes at the same time , so any translation made in the last 50 years or more , is untrue . It is not possible to translate it anymore . The common people , and the small people (like me) , have no way to even get a sight of it . In order to have a close look , you would have to be a billionare or something . But that 1 Bible is the only truth we have left .All translations in the last 1500 years , at least , can indeed be considered as false .

      June 15, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
  6. bb

    Question EVERYTHING, especially religious practices and sayings. Religion, which is man-made rules and practices, is absolutely not spirituality or faith.

    June 5, 2011 at 11:00 am |
  7. VegasRage

    Also mentioned nowhere in the bible is any reference to the rapture. No reference is made to the Christian belief in the trinity. Nor is most of Catholicisms practices, positions, and many of their beliefs such as purgatory.

    June 5, 2011 at 10:59 am |
    • US Patriot

      Your first mistake was putting the word "Christian" and "Catholicism" in the same sentence. They are NOT one and the same. Do some REAL research and not just hearsay.

      June 5, 2011 at 11:15 am |
    • VegasRage

      Christians are just as deluded as the Catholics are. Like I said the word Rapture is found nowhere in the bible and yet you have a bunch Christians running around and talking about the rapture. Why would anyone follow the bible when there so many heinous passages God endorses? For example Deuteronomy 22:28-29 "If a man is caught in the act of ràping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." What nut job would force a woman to marry a man that ràped her? Apparently God was just fine with this.

      There many, many examples like this in the bible, slavery and beating slaves is also endorsed in the bible and not just the old testament take for example Luke 12:47-48 The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."

      Christians focus on what they like but ignore some pretty damning stuff.

      June 5, 2011 at 11:25 am |
    • Leon

      To Vegas - you mean something like the polarshifts that will come soon ?
      Yes , I know about them , and I know of what will come in between the 2 .
      But my faith in God is not smaller because of that .
      Should I live long enough , I will feel the same pain , as everyone who denies it now .
      Rapture you say . I have talked with a few christians around the world , and none of them has yet been able to show me where the word is in the Bible . That makes it hard for me to believe that the word rapture is even in the Bible .
      It does however mention a series of events , that will happen between 2 polarshifts . Pretty ugly ones too .
      Yet I believe they will happen , because God has said it would . I also believe it , because more than half of it is already happening around us .
      And no government is taking any action to stop their path of destruction and ignorance . They all continue to destroy our planet .
      For money .
      And then people cant understand why I hate money ?

      June 15, 2011 at 2:06 pm |
    • Camila

      YOU CARE MORE ABOUT MAN'S OPINION THAN GOD'S??!!! It's not an opinion sarhed by a majority of evangelical scholars. Really? Like back in the days these majority of so-called scholars that persecuted Yeshua Mashiach (Jesus Christ) thought they knew everything too?Suppose for one second, you DON'T know everything what then? I don't take my information from man; I take it from the Word of God and from Him only.

      June 26, 2012 at 11:24 am |
  8. Easter bunny i am

    Bible and green eggs and han are REAL, DONALD DUCK IS MY COUSIN TWICE REMOVED

    June 5, 2011 at 10:59 am |
  9. John Watson

    The bible doesn't say that "money" is the root of all evil, but rather "the love of money." That's a big difference.

    June 5, 2011 at 10:59 am |
  10. Loren Nelson III

    While I agree with the fact that the exact words do not appear in the Bible...The principles to some of your quotes do! The ignorance shows in the article..the same ignorance that is aimed at those that use the quotes!! The serpent is the devil as quoted in later books including revelation. My favorite quote is from the book of Hezekiah 3:14 "The Word of God is scary to those that do not know it."

    June 5, 2011 at 10:59 am |
    • VegasRage

      Then it would be best to quote the actual verses wouldn't it?

      June 5, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • VegasRage

      BTW you are drawing conclusions from one book such as revelations (which has many odd descriptions) written by an unknown author and attributing there intentions to another unknown author of Genesis. There is no evidence that the author in Genesis meant the serpent to be Satan. But then you'll probably argue the inspired word of God. My favorite bible passage is Deut 17:28 Even a fool is counted wise when they keep their mouth shut.

      June 5, 2011 at 11:05 am |
    • Lacey18

      I agree – I was a little baffled by some of the "misquotes" – “Pride goes before a fall.” But its approximation, Proverbs 16:18, is actually written: “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.” Sounds like a very accurate modern paraphrase to me. Many people certainly misquote the Bible, but many of these examples are just silly.

      June 5, 2011 at 11:10 am |
    • Sonu

      Hi Walter,The key words by Allah are to believe in Jesus the Messiah tltaoly and completely, also to believe in all previous prophets and messengers and their books. However, can you get me one unified copy of the Bible today? That is the reason that Islam takes the Bibble as altered by humans. The original Bibble is true and believed by Muslims. One thing that I need to clear, the Bibble is the word of God coming from Jesus. It is written as a story told by Jesus to world about God. However, Quran is the ACTUAL word of God Allah . It has descended by Gabriel to Muhammad. The reader will notice that God is talking not Muhammad. In my defense of the Quran, there is only ONE copy of it no matter where you look. This is because Allah promised in Quran that he will keep it genuine.Thank you once more for creating this website to discuss issues that normally is taking for granted by both parties and one last thing, would you please tell me more about the Dead Sea Scrolls?

      September 9, 2012 at 3:27 am |
  11. StevieBoy

    I'm shocked to hear that the Holy Babble has been twisted, misused and hardly read by the masses!! How can that be when so many self-righteous idiots are running around the world telling other how they should live their lives based on their own religious beliefs???

    June 5, 2011 at 10:57 am |
    • Mary

      I'm not at all surprised. I live in a very religious town. I don't believe in corporal punishment and I can't tell you how many times I have heard "spare the rod spoil the child" My child grew into an intelligent and well respected young man, and I didn't have to beat him into that role.

      June 5, 2011 at 11:06 am |
    • Chris

      You mean like your remarks, simply because you don't believe? Hyprocrite much?

      June 5, 2011 at 11:07 am |
    • VegasRage

      @Chris Who is the idiot? The person the requires hard empirical evidence from multiple sources? Or the person that is lead to read a book and then just runs on faith and believes something without 3rd party proof? The latter would be most religious followers such as Christianity.

      June 5, 2011 at 11:13 am |
  12. YellerKitty

    Isn't it interesting that inevitably when someone quotes (or 'quotes') the Bible, they're doing it to justify some action that would otherwise be seen as heinous?

    June 5, 2011 at 10:57 am |
    • bRad

      Yes! I quote scripture to myself everytime I feed the homeless.Sometimes when my friends are being selfish towards their wives and I tell them to love your wife like Christ loved the church. Or when someone is lonely or insecure after a breakup I tell them the Lord will never leave nor forsake you.

      June 5, 2011 at 11:16 am |
  13. W Tolles

    Tell me please John,particularily in this land of freedom isn't translation subjective and therefore different to each eye? What exactly is wrong with people drinking decafe ,eating brownies and asking eachother "What does that passage mean to you"? I've never read a bible in my life but was raised bt some of those"misquotes" and turned out okay.

    June 5, 2011 at 10:57 am |
  14. Steven Terry

    Adam and Eve ate from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, they were expel from the garden to prevent them from eating from the Tree of Life. Your article is filled with things that are actually not in the Bible.

    June 5, 2011 at 10:57 am |
    • Steven Terry

      Maybe a little research would be a good idea next time.

      June 5, 2011 at 10:58 am |
  15. Nikki

    I would like to know how much this sir , got paid for writing this article? He should be ashamed... just because of his own ignorance.. he clearly did NO research on his own, then blast others for misuse , FUNNY... you can truely see he doesn't read the bible at all himself or when he was writing this article he would have been "oh I remember about hearing spare the rod spoil the child from church" in the teachings of children need discpline and if you teach them now it will stay with them through out their lives. Bless him!!!

    June 5, 2011 at 10:57 am |
    • Matt

      The bible is misquoted, misread, and misinterpreted because it is just a book like any other. What would go along way to proving the divine would be if everyone who read the bible never forgot any of it because the power of god. All of this seems just bit too normal to be divine.

      June 5, 2011 at 11:02 am |
    • Father McToughy

      John 8:7.

      You might want to examine yourself before you criticize anyone's journalistic credibility.

      June 5, 2011 at 11:09 am |
    • Leon

      To Matt - The Bible is misread , largely because people today readit , as they think it means to them .
      They forget the fact that it is Gods words , and that we should read the Bible from His view . Not our view .
      Only then can one understand the Bible , and see what it means .
      And how can one read the Bible from Gods view , IF he does not know God ?
      That can only be done , IF God has something speciel in store for that person .

      June 15, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
  16. Sarah

    BTW I grew up a Christian, and scared to death that I was going to burn in hell if I even had a bad thought. I have read the Bible several times front to back>>>Everyone has their own opinion – then there is common sense.

    June 5, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • Adalet

      Well I KNOW the Word of God is infallible; it's 1,000% true. I beileve EVERY SINGLE WORD IN IT. I have no doubt this world is 6,000 years old, I have no doubt of Noah's ark holding hundreds of thousands of KINDS of animals and a whole lot more.You stated, If you beileve the Word of God is preserved through the KJV line, well, that's your opinion. It's possible, but We're not convinced.

      June 26, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
  17. Stormy One

    It's a story about interpretations and misquotes. Funny how people some people are saying that Christians are about love and peace, yet many are spewing hatred about this article. Thanks for making my day!

    June 5, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • Leon

      That is because the modern christianity is NOT of God .
      By reading the Bible , one will know what the old christianity is about .
      One will know what Gods love is about .
      And I dont see that anywhere in the modern world today .
      I dont see Gods love anywhere . I see peoples destructive force , mentally and physically .
      Modern christians does not know God .
      Of that simple fact , that God has once said , that HE does not change .
      We also now from history , that once He has said something , it will happen so .
      The old christianity is the true way , IF we must choose a way in christianity .
      Personally , I say that my faith and believe , is to the one God that created us humans .
      And look at us now . I am ashamed of being a human today . Once , there were humans . Now .....
      Now there are aliens in human form .
      Hard words , yes , I know .

      June 15, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
  18. Juli Simmons

    Im glad to see the Bible making headlines even if using Mike Ditka but please this is a headline. Since the Bible was written it has been misquoted.

    June 5, 2011 at 10:56 am |
  19. brad1001

    I think it speaks to the heart of the reader. I don't need a know it all to advise me as to the intent of the scripture.

    June 5, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • Charlie

      It is not necessary to be a know it all, the question I have for these "Scholars" that see the need to say the KJV Bible was not written correctly or that since the past 50 years there has been over 400 tensalations.
      How many people know the phrase,"Lost in Transalation"? So what we need is a formula to be able to read and discern the Holy Bible. That formula is in the Holy Bible, Acts 2:38. Once you have been Baptised in the Name of Jesus, you have been promised the Comforter and He will give "Power" to understand and discern what you read. Attention scholars who interpret the bible: Have you been Baptized? Have you recieved the Holy Ghost? Have you spoken in "tounges?" If not then the Holy Bible is just a book to you.

      June 5, 2011 at 11:32 am |
    • Fhella

      Max First, I should say that this is an awseome video that speaks some great truth, and I pose this question mainly to facilitate discussion and thought. I asked this question to Gary a few weeks ago: Many churches are accused of over emphasizing certain parts of the trinity. For example, overly charismatic churches would be accused of over emphasizing the Spirit and under emphasizing Christ and the Father. A cessationist church would be accused of over emphasizing the Father, and under emphasizing the Spirit and Christ. So the question is, do we belong to a Christian movement (like minded with ministries such as Acts 29, The Gospel Coalition, etc ) that is over emphasizing Christ, and under emphasizing the Spirit and the Father?

      June 27, 2012 at 2:41 am |
  20. Joe

    Yes it is not directly said, however anyone with common sense can imply the meaning...

    Prov 13:24: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently)."
    Prov 19:18: "Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying."
    Prov 22:15: "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him."
    Prov 23:13: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die."
    Prov 23:14: "Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (Shoel)."
    Prov 29:15: "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."

    June 5, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • Sarah

      So you believe in child abuse? No God in the Universe, no matter what anyone calls him – teaches violence or to harm others.

      June 5, 2011 at 10:59 am |
    • jim

      Feel the love.

      June 5, 2011 at 11:04 am |
    • US Patriot

      Well stated. Thanks for not re-writing the Bible- rather just quoting it and letting it speak for itself.

      June 5, 2011 at 11:10 am |
    • VegasRage

      Eddie Long's favorite pick up line to young altar boys was Psalm 23 ...your rod and your staff, they comfort me

      June 5, 2011 at 11:17 am |
    • Stormy One

      Vegas Rage, that was really funny!

      June 5, 2011 at 11:21 am |
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The CNN Belief Blog covers the faith angles of the day's biggest stories, from breaking news to politics to entertainment, fostering a global conversation about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives. It's edited by CNN's Daniel Burke with contributions from Eric Marrapodi and CNN's worldwide news gathering team.