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1919 signed letter contains Hitler's first known stance on Jewish 'removal'
June 7th, 2011
06:35 PM ET

1919 signed letter contains Hitler's first known stance on Jewish 'removal'

By Dana Garrett, CNN

New York (CNN) - A signed letter by Adolf Hitler, which contains what is believed to be the earliest written expression of his views on Jews and anti-Semitism, was unveiled at a press conference in New York on Tuesday by the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

Rabbi Marvin Hier said the letter, written in 1919, is "one of the most important documents in the entire history of the Third Reich."

Wearing white gloves to protect the fragile, yellowing document, Hier, founder and dean of the Wiesenthal Center, pointed out what he considered to be the most significant phrase in the four-page, typed letter - the words "Entfernung der Juden," German for "removal of Jews" - which Hitler wrote must be the government's "final goal."


"In 1919 he wrote this. Twenty-two years later he implemented it as Chancellor of the Third Reich," Hier said. "He removed the Jews altogether."

The Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish human rights organization, purchased the letter from a private dealer for $150,000 and will put it on permanent display in July at the center's Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles.

Hitler was a 30-year-old veteran of World War I when he wrote the letter on September 16, 1919. At the time, he was working for the propaganda unit of the German army, Hier said. It was Hitler's supervisor, Capt. Karl Mayr, who assigned him the task of articulating the army's position on the Jews for Adolf Gemlich, who was an army spy. (At about the time he wrote the letter, he also attended a meeting of the German Workers' Party to find out more about them, at Mayr's request. Later, it would be the National Socialist Workers' Party, and Hitler would be its chairman.)

The letter, which was written on a German army typewriter, is addressed to Gemlich. It was authenticated in 1988, according to the Wiesenthal Center.

In the letter's English translation provided by the Wiesenthal Center, Hitler identifies Judaism as a race, not a religion, that has been preserved "through a thousands years of inbreeding" and is only concerned with "the pursuit of money and power."

"The result of which is that a non-German race lives among us with its feelings, thoughts and aspirations, while having all the same rights as we do," Hitler wrote.

He warned against anti-Semitism "born of purely emotional ground," which he wrote would only lead to pogroms - referencing the organized mob attacks that targeted Jews in Russia and, later, Germany. Hitler's letter makes clear he had a larger objective in mind. "The final goal must be the removal of Jews," he wrote. "To accomplish these goals, only a government of national power is capable and never a government of national weakness."

Hier said the letter was found in 1945 in the Nazi Archives near Nuremberg by an American soldier, William F. Ziegler, and sold to an historical documents dealer.

It has remained in private hands since then. Hier said a dealer offered him the letter in 1988, but then sold it to another collector before the Wiesenthal Center could verify its authenticity.

When it was offered a second time, Hier said there was no hesitation.

"We knew immediately that the Gemlich letter is absolutely historic. There is nothing like it in the world," he said.

Hier said an unsigned "office copy" of the letter exists in Munich, which scholars have known about, but that the copy now in the hands of the Wiesenthal Center is the only signed copy. It has never been publicly displayed.

Hier said the letter is significant in large part is because there is no known signed order by Hitler for the extermination of the Jews. Instead, it was the No.2 man in the Reich, Hermann Goering, who gave the order in July 1941 to Reinhard Heydrich, the head of the Nazis' security apparatus, to carry out "the final solution of the Jewish question."

"This is the first document and only document of its kind that deals with the Jews exclusively and postulates the solution," Hier said of the Hitler letter.

Whether Hitler had in mind concentration camps and mass extermination at the time is not a question that can be answered by this document, Hier said. "But I can tell you that Hitler in 1919 said we don't want any Jews in the country that I live, and I don't want them removed by corner pogroms. I need them removed by a legal system where the government legally removes them," Hier said. "That is unprecedented." he added.

Hier said he hopes the letter, which will be part of an interactive display in Los Angeles, will be used to teach students young and old about demagogues and the consequences of taking them lightly.

He said if people had taken bets in 1919," they all would have bet this is a lot of nonsense, nothing would happen like this. And 22 years later, it happened exactly as he wrote it.," he said.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Europe • Germany • Holocaust • Judaism • New York • United States

soundoff (931 Responses)
  1. palintwit

    Our government's "final goal" must be the removal of all things Palin.

    June 8, 2011 at 9:44 am |
  2. SpeakOklahomaCom

    To those who think that atheist are on the attack...did you ever consider we're just defending ourselves against HATE SPEAK and the actions it causes?

    "Psalm 14 (New International Version, ©2011)

    1 The fool[a] says in his heart,
    “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

    2 The LORD looks down from heaven on all mankind
    to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God.

    3 All have turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good,
    not even one.

    4 Do all these evildoers know nothing? They devour my people as though eating bread;
    they never call on the LORD.

    5 But there they are, overwhelmed with dread, for God is present in the company of the righteous.

    6 You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the LORD is their refuge.

    Footnotes:
    Psalm 14:1 The Hebrew words rendered fool in Psalms denote one who is morally deficient."

    June 8, 2011 at 9:41 am |
    • purnellmeagrejr

      "And Lo! They will mistake a book for a calendar and a fairy tale for a science book." Book of Purnell 4:20

      June 8, 2011 at 9:57 am |
  3. Believer?

    Einstein was too smart to believe in God because faith is not a proven scientific method. Read the Bible and try to find a story that you can prove is true beyond a reasonable doubt.

    June 8, 2011 at 9:38 am |
    • Fidei Coticula Crux

      First: Albert Einstein was a pantheist. Pantheism: everything that exists is God.

      Second: If it is proven, then it is no longer faith.

      Third: I can provide over 100 proofs for the Bible to include archaeological finds that help confirm the Bible’s accuracy, finds that help us understand the bible better, and finds that help explain Bible backgrounds and cultures.

      June 8, 2011 at 10:00 am |
    • Bucky Ball

      "... in science there is no 'knowledge', in the sense in which Plato and Aristotle understood the word, in the sense which implies finality; in science, we never have sufficient reason for the belief that we have attained the truth. ... This view means, furthermore, that we have no proofs in science (excepting, of course, pure mathematics and logic). In the empirical sciences, which alone can furnish us with information about the world we live in, proofs do not occur, if we mean by 'proof' an argument which establishes once and for ever the truth of a theory."

      Sir Karl Popper, The Problem of Induction, 1953

      @Fidei Coticula Crux
      "First: Albert Einstein was a pantheist."
      -- Where did Einstein state he was a pantheist, and what did saying that mean to him, (assuming he said that). ?
      "Pantheism: everything that exists is God."
      -- That MAY BE, one of many definitions of pantheism, but it's not one that any pantheist I know would agree with.
      -- They don't invest the natural universe with a personal and /or supernatural concept of deity, last time I checked.

      "Third: I can provide over 100 proofs for the Bible to include archaeological finds that help confirm the Bible’s accuracy, finds that help us understand the bible better, and finds that help explain Bible backgrounds and cultures."
      -- That's nice. But to go from the position from accepting that many known historical events are referenced to, or alluded to in those ancient texts, (which almost everyone agrees with), to saying that that justifies a position of faith is a huge illogical leap.

      June 8, 2011 at 10:23 am |
  4. Self centerred?

    It is interesting that WW2 is not mainly about the holocaust, it was very much complex and objectives were more important than killing some Jews. But all we know about it is the Holocaust. I think the Jews are self centered and they like to play the role of victim ALL the time. so far this strategy is working and good for them. but as a reminder for history lover, WW2 had way deeper roots and objectives than killing Jews. the latter was a side objective not a main one in Hitler's life.

    June 8, 2011 at 9:33 am |
    • peculiear

      His signature looks like it says Rosy Kitten, Coincidence? I think not.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:35 am |
    • NOo..oON

      The war was about stopping the threat of German Nazis conquering much of the world. Historically, that aspect is many times overshadowed by one of the worst systematic government ordered atrocities in human history. Whereas military aggression is common in history, atrocities of that scale are hopefully not.
      It deserves to be remembered so we can remain vigilant against it happening again.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:45 am |
    • HW

      Not sure I agree with your statement. Germany began WWII with an excuse; however, it had already implemented the plan to exterminate Jews. Behind the invading troops there was a special class of troops whose primary mission was to round up Jews and place in concentration camps. It might not have Germany's primary goal, but it was certainly tied to its war mission.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:45 am |
    • Sally

      Well said!

      June 8, 2011 at 9:45 am |
    • Laughing

      You're totally right, those jews have no right to complain about being rounded up and exterminated just for being part of a perceived race. How dare they play "victim" as you call it and show the world what fear mongering and hate can do so it will never happen again, to anyone. You're totally right that the jews, who have throughout history always been the scapegoat and been subject to pogroms, the inquisition and being kicked out of country after country.

      In case you didn't get that, it was pure sarcasm. You are right that WWII was more than just the holocaust, however they were the targets of some of the biggest atrocities ever committed in human history so I think it's a little understandable that jews would be upset. You know why you always hear about the holocaust instead of just WWII? It's because they are permanantly linked, you can't study one without the other and further more it's the duty of every jew, every person really, to make sure that no one ever forgets. I'm glad you are a history lover, maybe if you study the timeline according to the jews you might change your tune.

      June 8, 2011 at 11:20 am |
    • Guillermo

      Simply said, the Jews stole WW2. Never mind that more than the '6 million' non Jews who died were not Jews. Amazingly, in Poland, they were 'the main victims'. Its amazing that Stalin's kill of 20-30 million humans is not act as evil as the one that the Jews claim they suffered. Maybe it is because he did not kill as many Jews or it is convenient to blame a defeated country? I begin to wonder why that war is called WW2, was there a WW1? If so, did not that war and others before it in Europe set the tempo? Also, if as claimed by the Jews, they were the main victims why do to others what they supposedly 'suffered' ?

      June 8, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
    • highspeedCU

      just like blacks try to make the civil war about slavery. there were a lot more things going on in both.

      June 8, 2011 at 1:53 pm |
    • Dwayne

      @Guillermo

      >>Simply said, the Jews stole WW2.
      From whom? Did it belong to someone?

      >>Never mind that more than the '6 million' non Jews who died were not Jews.
      Usually "non Jews" are "not Jews"

      >>Its amazing that Stalin's kill of 20-30 million humans is not act as evil as the one that the Jews claim they suffered. Maybe it is because he did not kill as many Jews or it is convenient to blame a defeated country?

      You don't hear about it because Stalin acted in the name "socialism" and much of the intelligentsia in this country is ideologically incapable of admitting that "socialists" can commit atrocities. Jews were prominent among his victims as well.

      >I begin to wonder why that war is called WW2, was there a WW1?

      Are you that ignorant or do you just spew before looking things up? During WWI, the Ottoman Empire, a German ally, committed the first genocide of the Twentieth Century, about 1.5 million Armenians. The Nazis knew about this and that there had been virtually no reaction from the rest of the world. That gave them reason to believe they could execute one against the Jews with impunity.

      >>Also, if as claimed by the Jews, they were the main victims why do to others what they supposedly 'suffered' ?

      Jews are not doing what happened to them to others, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that someone who doesn't know about WWI would believe this. Apologists for the Palestinians and other Muslims often make this claim, but the facts are clearly in the opposite direction. During the Holocaust, about two-thirds of European Jews were murdered in six years. During the nearly century of the Muslim war against the Jews, the total number of Arabs killed, including combatants, is about four days' toll in a typical death camp, where none of the dead were combatants. During this period, the Palestinian population multiplied by a factor of about ten.

      June 16, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
  5. Fernando1958

    money and power? ....mmmmm...... Madoff?

    June 8, 2011 at 9:28 am |
    • pafmurray

      Mmmmmmm. Money and power; Bill Gates

      June 8, 2011 at 9:34 am |
  6. John Ramsey

    It's kind of strange, look at these two quotes.

    "the words "Entfernung der Juden," German for "removal of Jews" – which Hitler wrote must be the government's "final goal."

    "The result of which is that a non-German race lives among us with its feelings, thoughts and aspirations, while having all the same rights as we do," Hitler wrote.

    Now read them again:
    "the words "Entfernung der Juden," German for "removal of immigrants" – which Hitler wrote must be the government's "final goal."

    "The result of which is that a non-American race lives among us with its feelings, thoughts and aspirations, while having all the same rights as we do," Hitler wrote.

    Funny how this is still happening in the U.S.A. with immigration.

    June 8, 2011 at 9:24 am |
    • Steve

      Moronic.

      Jews had been resident in Germany for centuries, unlike the Third World invaders you seem to be defending.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:27 am |
    • JDT

      Illegal immigration, mind you. Legally immigrating to the US should be the only means to get here.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:31 am |
    • Axemass

      Yeah, except for the fact that we're not sending them to concentration camps. I can't believe you would even consider trying to compare the two.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:34 am |
    • NOo..oON

      Try it with *illegal aliens*, not immigrants.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:38 am |
    • Brew987

      No camparison.....only in your dillusional mind.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:39 am |
    • Mark

      That was pretty much my thought as well... swap "remove jew" for " remove immigrant," and its eerily similar.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:40 am |
    • Whatthef

      You're an idiot.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:41 am |
    • Cedar Rapids

      Ah you think the 'third world invaders' are a new phenomenon huh?

      June 8, 2011 at 9:46 am |
    • Realityblowz

      Clearly he was talking about martians.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:49 am |
    • Cedar Rapids

      "The result of which is that a non-American race lives among us with its feelings, thoughts and aspirations, while having all the same rights as we do,"

      So funny to see posters scrambling to try to say this isnt the same thing. Come on guys you all know you have seen countless posters saying almost the exact same thing...'they dont want to fit in, they come to america but dont want to be american' etc etc etc.
      And they arent just talking about illegals when they are saying this, we all know it, no use trying to pretend otherwise.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:50 am |
    • btm

      i want 20 seconds of my life back for reading this comment.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:52 am |
    • Science

      Steve. The "thirld world country" happened to be the owner of Texas (back then New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas) and California (much larger than the California we know now). The latter was stolen by US to Mexico (it is in all the history books). While I do not agree in illegal immigration, it is unfair to ignore that fact.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:52 am |
  7. Michael G. Crist

    First thought that comes to mind? Forgery!

    June 8, 2011 at 9:23 am |
  8. Anon

    THere are two schools of thought. Fundamentalists believe that events in WWII led to the Final Solution. Intentionalists believe it was Hitler's goal all aong to annihilate the Jews. This is more evidence that supports the intentionalist point of view. I for one think it was his goal all along. Anyone whos read any exerpts from Mein Kampf would agree.

    June 8, 2011 at 9:22 am |
    • Zane

      There's no sign of genocidal intention here. It's clear that he simply wanted to expel the Jews from Germany.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:25 am |
    • JustTheFacts

      I think that's pretty obvious now. The actual nazi land grab of europe was just so Hitler could have easy access to ALL of europes jewish population. The extermination levels actually increased towards the end, even though the war was lost.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:35 am |
    • Steve

      WWII did not revolve around the Jews. Hitler had much more on his mind, like expanding Germany's borders to include majority-German lands, and defeating what he - and many others - called "Judeo-Bolshevism," i.e. Soviet Communism.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:42 am |
  9. Zane

    No call for extermination in the paper, but simply removal, which is in line with what most "holocaust" revisionists have said.

    June 8, 2011 at 9:21 am |
    • Steiger

      Oh I'm sure. (/sarcasm)
      How do you see to drive with your head crammed so far up there?

      June 8, 2011 at 9:58 am |
  10. JustTheFacts

    @Reality

    The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:

    http://necrometrics.com/warstatz.htm#u ( a "must read)

    o The Muslim Conquest of India

    "The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

    Rank <<<Death Toll <Cause <<Centuries<<<Religions/Groups involved*

    1. 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists/atheists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")

    2. 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)

    3. 40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)

    4. 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)

    5. 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)

    6. 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)

    7. 20 million Joseph Stalin 20C (Communism)

    8. 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)

    9. 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C

    10. 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)

    11. 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)

    12. 15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs. Pagans)

    13. 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C

    14. 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C

    15. 10 million Xin Dynasty 1C

    16. 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)

    17. 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans vs. Pagans)

    18. 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)

    19. 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)

    20. 7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C

    *:" Is religion responsible for more violent deaths than any other cause?

    A: No, of course not – unless you define religion so broadly as to be meaningless. Just take the four deadliest events of the 20th Century – Two World Wars, Red China and the Soviet Union – no religious motivation there, unless you consider every belief system to be a religion."

    Q: So, what you're saying is that religion has never killed anyone.

    A: Arrgh... You all-or-nothing people drive me crazy. There are many doc-umented examples where members of one religion try to exterminate the members of another religion. Causation is always complex, but if the only difference between two warring groups is religion, then that certainly sounds like a religious conflict to me. Is it the number one cause of mass homicide in human history? No. Of the 22 worst episodes of mass killing, maybe four were primarily religious. Is that a lot? Well, it's more than the number of wars fought over soccer, or s-ex (The Trojan and Sabine Wars don't even make the list.), but less than the number fought over land, money, glory or prestige.

    In my Index, I list 41 religious conflicts compared with 27 oppressions under "Communism", 24 under Colonialism, 2 under "Railroads" and 2 under "Scapegoats". Make of that what you will."

    @Reality

    That's a pretty impressive list you got there but I never said the words "VIOLENT DEATHS" anywhere in my post.
    I said, "MORE DEATHS THAN DISEASE, FAMINE and NATURAL DISASTERS...... COMBINED"
    When you get that list together could you add both of them up for me would you and see which is higher?
    Am I pushing some buttons yet? LOL

    June 8, 2011 at 9:18 am |
  11. Jimmy

    That looks nothing like Adolf Hitler's signature.

    June 8, 2011 at 9:15 am |
  12. Kipper

    A letter signed by Hitler for ‚removal of Jews‘. I’m sure there are have many letters aimed at removal of peoples, not in the least the removal of the Palestinians. History both reminds and repeats itself.

    June 8, 2011 at 9:11 am |
    • Ralphy

      Your politics get in the way of using your head. This is NOT an article about the Palestinians, it is about the beginning thought of exterminating Jews as if they were unwanted vermin. But if you insist on a rant, Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and despite their aggressive attempts to ensure their survival, they treat others much much better than those "others" would treat Jews and Christians. And you damn well know that.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:21 am |
    • Steiger

      Ralphy, what he's trying to say is that there are people who have similar intentions today, and that say similar things. We must be vigilant, so that words spoken in places like Arizona, Israel, Iran and other places don't become the actions of Kosovo, Darfur, Rwanda. We, humanity, have failed so many times despite the warning signs being the same.

      June 8, 2011 at 10:07 am |
  13. stevie68a

    The only useful definition of "God", is the universal consciousness. We are one. That one, is the One. Hitler was raised catholic.
    Religion is by it's nature, divisive. People must get past religious fantasies that have been forced into their heads as children.
    If you think about it, religion is likely to be the thing that brings hell on earth, while expecting an afterlife in "heaven". Just like
    the World Trade Center terrorists who shouted "God is great", as they flew planes into the buildings. I doubt their reward came
    in the way of their lounging on clouds in the sky. Please, wake from the delusion of religion, and grow up.

    June 8, 2011 at 9:10 am |
    • Hiky99

      Stevie68a,
      You seem to be a misinformed individual on this subject, religion. What I know of the religions I have read about so far is that they are the source of all good in the overall. Great civilizations of the world have resulted essentially from religious beliefs. Not knowing about something doesn't mean you should hate it. I think the best way to argue is to use facts and not emotional reactions.

      June 8, 2011 at 10:13 am |
  14. JustTheFacts

    @Fidei Coticula Crux

    In the "name of religion" or "because of religion", it is different cultures or peoples interpretation of religion that has caused more unnecessary misery, death and destruction than it has done good for this planet. I'm not saying that there is no God or Gods or that you can't be spiritual. I'm talking about Organized Religion. I'm saying is as long as there are religious differences on this planet, mankind will continue to needlessly suffer somewhere on this Earth. You can't have "religious differences" without "religion". It's simply impossible.

    June 8, 2011 at 9:07 am |
    • Fidei Coticula Crux

      There are many differ types of differences between people groups, not just religion, that causes man to give reason to hate: race, culture, ethics, gender, age, economic, government, etc. Man will use any excuse to impose their will onto other individual people groups that are not like them; and, it is typically done by a leader who is in the position of power.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:32 am |
  15. Matthew

    That signature looks fake. Too dark, too new. Wiesenthal center got duped.

    June 8, 2011 at 9:04 am |
    • Fidei Coticula Crux

      The reason you see a difference in their darkness is because the ink in a typewriter ribbon and the ink you will find in a pen are not the same type of ink; therefore, they will fade at a differ rate.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:15 am |
    • Zane

      The Weaselthal Center is more than capable of "duping" on its own.

      I have no reason to believe this is a fake. There is no call for extermination, simply expulsion.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:23 am |
    • tcp

      @Zane – And that makes it all better doesn't it?

      June 8, 2011 at 9:30 am |
    • Jim

      Actually - it looks exactly like his signature. Decide for yourself: http://www.rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a4.html

      June 8, 2011 at 9:42 am |
  16. Ancient History

    My middle school kid had no idea who Hitler was until taking 7th grade history. When do we put World War II to rest as we have for, say, World War I, Spanish-American War, etc? The vast majority of the world's population properly consider the swastika to be an ancient sign of luck (among other good things) – indeed, they never have considered it evil and never stopped using it to mark temples and more. When do the rest of us join them?

    June 8, 2011 at 8:51 am |
    • Kevin

      Yeah... great idea there Einstein! Let's just forget history; that way it would truly never repeat itself since it never happened... that we know of anyway.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:03 am |
    • Wulf

      I know what you mean here, however as the other responder said, lets not forget history or we're doomed to repeat it. However the holocaust is sort of shoved down our throats as Americans, which to me cheapens it rather than respect what happened. To forget history, such as the events of World War 2, we would end up sounding like Sarah Palin recounting Paul Reveres ride!

      June 8, 2011 at 9:12 am |
    • tcp

      I don't know that your assessment that we have "put away" WWI or the Spanish American war is accurate. If the schools system where you live has done that, shame on them and shame on YOU for letting it happen...

      June 8, 2011 at 9:16 am |
    • tcp

      Hey Wulf, I think we have shown that she was not inaccurate...why must you always "jump to Palin"...it's actually pretty lazy of you.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:18 am |
    • Nick

      Its sad that kids today have no clue who even fought in world war II. To neglect history is to create a culture devoid of values....For if you forsake history, you will repeat it. This is a fact.......

      June 8, 2011 at 9:20 am |
    • To Kevin

      History is already repeating itself: just replace the word "Jews" by " Palestinians"

      June 8, 2011 at 9:22 am |
    • Ancient History

      We for sure have relegated World War I and others to the past where they belong. In fact, the history lesson(s) on World War II were only about a week long (and even the Vietnam war was almost a mere mention). After these lessons my middle schooler HAS moved on and literally has no strong feel for anything that happened then, just as you and I have no real feel for what happened during World War I. They're history. They're a BLIP in history. And as already noticed, the VAST majority of the world's population has no clue that, for example (simply because those of us old enough in the West have said so), the swastika meant anything to anyone other than something lucky.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:23 am |
    • John

      Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it

      June 8, 2011 at 9:25 am |
    • Katie

      It's interesting to see swastikas on ancient ruins in various places, long before the Nazi party ever existed, because as you said, it's a sign of good things in many cultures.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:27 am |
    • Wulf

      @tcp, Not to sidestep what the poster initially said. But there was very little that was accurate about what Palin said other than Paul Revere rode a horse somewhere in New England. I really would not continue that argument, it will make you look like a fool.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:43 am |
    • libertarian

      Seriously?? When are we going to forget about WW2?? You, my friend, are a nimrod. #1, WW2 isn't ancient history, it happened less than 70 years ago. #2 it involved the mass killing of millions of innocent people, some of the survivors are still around today. And it's results are STILL being felt. It's not like the spanish american war...which, by the way, the results are still being felt too. Same with the civil war...should be we stop talking about that too?? When we finally pull out of Afghanistan, should we just stop talking about it immediately, because it's "in the past"? Wow...that has to be the worst thing I have ever heard on here, and I have heard from Sara Palin fans.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:43 am |
    • tcp

      Wulf – But you did sidestep. And you made baseless claims with zero support by facts. The accusation was made, prove it. Revere historians have clearly indicated her comments were not inaccurate. You simply stating that she wasn't (and throwing in a sad attempt at ad hominem) only makes you look foolish.

      June 8, 2011 at 10:04 am |
  17. raka

    Atheist believe in God as well. they are just really mad at Him. Why do you think they troll the Internet evangelizing their cause? Have you ever trolled on a campaign against Santa?

    June 8, 2011 at 8:50 am |
    • jim

      You only imagine that we hate your god because you have invented a god so contemptible that you would hate him yourself if you had the balls!

      June 8, 2011 at 9:01 am |
    • SpeakOklahomaCom

      Hitler believed in god and believed he was doing "god's work", Christians own the Holocaust....and Christians own the wars that they voted for to attack Islam in supporting W into office. SSDD...

      We all expect an apology.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:10 am |
    • tcp

      Christians don't "own the holocaust", Germany owns it. There was almost zero religious zealotry involved. It was pure nationalism and jingoism that drove this particular train.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:21 am |
    • Lee

      Santa followers aren't trying to create legislature restricting the freedoms of others.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:23 am |
    • Lee

      And we don't campaign against a god or gods. That would be as silly as worshipping one. Those that "campaign" do so against religion. That is very different.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:30 am |
    • Cedar Rapids

      'Atheist believe in God as well. they are just really mad at Him'
      so do you just not know the meaning of Atheist or what?

      June 8, 2011 at 9:53 am |
  18. FairGarden

    Hit-ler was Dar-win-ian. Both Ger-many and Ja-pan killed for greed, using what-ever names avail-able.

    June 8, 2011 at 8:48 am |
    • StoopidIzAzStoopidDuz

      If you really wanted to effectively make your comment in the obnoxiously sarcastic "separate every syllable" kind of way you should have typed it like this:

      Hit-ler was Dar-win-i-an. Both Ger-ma-ny and Ja-pan killed for greed, using what-e-ver names a-vail-a-ble.

      Just sayin...

      June 8, 2011 at 9:20 am |
    • tcp

      You forgot just one: u-sing (or would it be us-ing?). 🙂

      June 8, 2011 at 9:23 am |
  19. Ummmm ok?

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    June 8, 2011 at 8:41 am |
  20. JustTheFacts

    However, in the comprehensive list of the history of human warfare, in the Encyclopedia of Wars 1763 wars, of which 123 (7%) have been classified to involve a religious conflict.

    Fidei Coticula Crux

    Does that include WWII in that 7% by the way? Hitler said he was "Doing God's Work" in Mein Kampf by making plans for the Final Solution for the Jews. I'll answer my own question. Of course WW!! is not included as a religious conflict in that war book or any other history book for that matter.

    Of course that refers to wars where the religious conflict was obvious and on BOTH sides. Tell me the wars where only ONE side had a religious difference and waged a unprovoked war against a multi-religious nation or peoples. Good luck finding that little factoid. LOL

    June 8, 2011 at 8:37 am |
    • Fidei Coticula Crux

      Like I said before: Certainly there are people who kill in the name of religion, but just because they kill in the name of religion doesn't really mean they kill because of religion. To determine if they kill because of their religion, one would have to review and study the religion’s individual doctrines. Furthermore, religious designations are sometimes used as shorthand for cultural and historical differences between combatants, giving the often misleading impression that the conflict is primarily about religious differences.

      June 8, 2011 at 8:43 am |
    • Ryan in Michigan

      Bear in mind there were many, many wars that involved expansion of land, such as wars waged by the Greeks, the Romans, and tribes in Africa and pre-Colonial America. World War II would be included among those because the war was started not by Hitler's desire to exterminate all unfit races (it wasn't just Jews, but also any colored people, Christians, Muslims, and many others), but by his desire for expansion. It started with Austria and Hungary, the alliance with Italy, which was expanding in North Africa and the Balkans, then ignited with his joint venture with Russia in the invasion of Poland. The Jews came a little after that. Besides, Hitler wasn't what you'd call a Christian, Catholic, or anything like that. He was putting them in his concentration camps, burning Bibles, and other atrocities. Muslims don't burn the American flag because they support America and what it stands for, and you never seen Buddhists burning the work of Buddha.

      June 8, 2011 at 9:43 am |
    • libertarian

      oh, and I guess that's why in Mein Kampf, all he did was talking about expansion and didn't mention jews once, right?

      June 8, 2011 at 9:48 am |
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