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Survey: Millennials echo parents on abortion, much more supportive of gay marriage
June 9th, 2011
01:46 PM ET

Survey: Millennials echo parents on abortion, much more supportive of gay marriage

By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

(CNN) - Ask Sarah Mattingly for the first word that comes to mind when she hears the word "abortion," and she heaves a huge sigh.

Then there's a long pause before she answers: "Sadness."

Mattingly works at Northland Church, an evangelical megachurch in Orlando, Florida, and she regularly passes an abortion clinic on her way to work.

"There are always picketers. The parking lot is always full. I see these women sitting in their cars and just feel full of sadness," she says.

There's no doubt in her mind that abortion is wrong: "not what God has ordained."

And yet, she says, she's not entirely convinced abortion should be against the law.

"I know a lot of people my age who struggle with that - who say we will never agree with it, but at what point is it the government's responsibility?" she asks. "I would tend to say I think it should be illegal, but I can see both sides of the story. It's a tough one."

Mattingly is part of what's being called the millennial generation, born in the 1980s and coming of age around the year 2000.

A huge new survey finds that she is not alone among her peers in feeling conflicted about abortion.

Just under half of 18- to 29-year-olds say that abortion is morally acceptable, but six out of 10 say it should be legal in most or all cases, and nearly seven out of 10 say it should be available locally.

The survey, by the Public Religion Research Institute, contains a number of startling findings.

One is that millennials are not significantly more supportive of abortion rights than their parents are, even though they tend to be better educated and less churchgoing - factors which tend to predict people are pro-choice.

There's no noticeable difference in the number of 20-year-olds and 50-year-olds who say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, for example, according to the PRRI.

But young people do break ranks with their elders on the other major "value voters" issue, gay marriage.

Only four out of 10 millennials say sex between adults of the same gender is morally wrong, about 60% of 50- to 64-year-olds say that, and seven out of 10 people 65 and older think it is.

The millennials are driving a massive shift in American views on gay marriage.

In 1999, just over one-third of Americans said gay marriage should be legal. Today, just over half do, according to the PRRI survey, which is consistent with other recent findings.

Views on abortion, by contrast, haven't budged in the last dozen years, with 57% of Americans saying in 1999 that abortion should be legal in all or most cases, and 56% saying so in the PRRI survey.

"The decoupling of attitudes on abortion and same-sex marriage suggest that these topics, which served in the past as the heart of the 'values' agenda, are no longer necessarily linked in the minds of Americans," says the survey, which was released Thursday.

It's called "Committed to Availability, Conflicted About Morality: What the Millennial Generation Tells Us about the Future of the Abortion Debate and the Culture Wars," and is based on 3,000 English and Spanish telephone interviews conducted in April and May.

One of America's most prominent cultural conservatives admits that when it comes to gay marriage, the movement is not as influential on young people as it would like to be.

"There's a lot of ground to make up there," said Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, a Washington-based organization that promotes "marriage and family" and opposes abortion.

He disputes the PRRI findings on abortion, asserting that "young people are stronger in their pro-life views than their parents."

But he concedes that conservatives haven't had a similar impact on young people's views on homosexuality.

"Cultural influencers have weighed in heavily" in favor of gay marriage, he said.

But the millennial generation could well change its mind as it grows up and starts families, he said.

"There is certainly this live-and-let-live attitude, but once the younger generation gets married and has children it falls by the wayside out of a necessity to protect their children," Perkins predicted. "They begin to re-evaluate the value construct."

Back at Northland Church, Sarah Mattingly is torn about gay marriage the same way she is about abortion. Married to a musician who works in musical theater, she and her husband have gay friends.

"Again, I don't agree with it, I really don't," she says of gay marriage. "God specifically in his word has ordained marriage to be between a man and a woman. But at what point is it the government's responsibility to step in?"

She thinks gay marriage is "misguided," and feels the "church and believers" need to be involved.

"We would never say that this is a good thing in the sense that we don't like it, we wish it didn't exist. But the reality is, it does," she says.

And she as she wrestles with whether the government should let gay people marry, she can't come up with a definite answer: "I can answer yes and I can answer no to that."

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Abortion • Gay marriage • Politics • Polls

soundoff (584 Responses)
  1. dekons

    Why does this article give so much time to a woman who works at a church?

    How is she or her views representative of the average Millenial?

    Young people are more accepting of LGBT persons ... because young people can see through the lies and distortions of hateful old people. When a young adult has access to a world of knowledge ... you can't tell him a bunch of lies and think he'll embrace them thru sheer ignorance.

    June 9, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • Peter

      I would guess one of the main reasons it has changed is that so many of the most public figures in religion and politics who have built their careers in opposing gay marriage have been discovered to be having intimate relationships with members of the same s3x.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:57 pm |
    • markkoenig

      Everyone is an idealist and optimist when they are young, old people are more pragmatic. If these young people see through the lies so much how is it they haven't affected any real change in this country, the tolerance movement is a direct result of the civil rights and hippy movements, what have 'the young people' of this generation done? Besides Americans buy into a lot of things based on ignorance, both young and old. A quick study of history shows that what Americans believe our country is about and how our international actions have never reflected that you know almost all Americans drink of the kool-aid.

      June 9, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
    • MM

      Agreed. the hypocrasies have been shining through more and more. Also, all the weenie touching priests, especially in the catholic church, have caused our younger generation to question what the motives of the church are really about. Raping boys is NOT the work of God. And even worse the current Pope was part of the cover up in Poland/Germany. Such a disgrace!

      June 9, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
    • Walter

      @markkoenig

      Your post implies there is something pragmatic about opposing gay marriage. Is that what you believe?

      June 9, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
  2. YourLoveChocolate

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fgXeLoML7Y&w=640&h=390]

    June 9, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
  3. CT

    Could the author really not find a single person who had definitive views? I'm not interested in reading about a girl who answers "maybe" to everything.

    June 9, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
    • Memyself

      and yet, you read it.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
  4. sheetiron

    Maybe the reason opinions vary depending on what Christian you talk to is because the question can be different depending on whose asking. What are you really asking? Do I think gay marriage should be legal, or do I think the government should pass a law with specific language banning gay marriage. Those are two different questions.

    To the first one, no. I do not think gay marriage should be legalized. As to the other question, I do not think it is necessary for the government to pass a law with specific language in it banning gay marriage. the DOMA does just fine in establishing "one man, one woman" as the only recognized marriage in this country. Any other language is just over doing it.

    June 9, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      Again, the issue being, we are NOT a Christian nation, and marriage should not be defined by Christian dogma.

      DOMA needs to go. Marriage needs to be equally available to all adults of the age of consent, without regard to gender. No church will be required to perform same gender ceremonies if they hold it as wrong.

      There are plenty of churches and other religious bodies of various faiths that are happy to step in and perform those ceremonies.

      June 9, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
  5. YouKnowBetter

    Sorry that is the weakest analogy ever. If a train was actually coming right now there is empirical proof that I could get injured, and so one should warn. But you and the Revelation boys never seem to get that day right, do you hmmm? I guess I could tell each person I run into for my entire life that an alien ship is landing on their house – who knows maybe one day 50 years from now I could be right. Odds are I will just be an annoying pest blowing hot air and would be better served telling it to my dog in my OWN yard, while working on my OWN relationship with my Creator.

    June 9, 2011 at 3:39 pm |
  6. Shorn

    "There's a lot of ground to make up there," said Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council...

    Gross.

    Instead, how about, "Gee, maybe discriminating against people is wrong!"

    I'm actually glad these stupid churches hate gays. It pushes a whole group of people toward the Left. So, thank you, biggots! Now keep your backwards religious judgements to yourselves.

    June 9, 2011 at 3:39 pm |
    • Lmerr

      Just because someone doesn't support gay marriage that doesn't mean that they hate gays. Stop being so closed minded while you "enlighten" us.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
    • Bill

      Shorn it is deliciously delightful that you decry stereotyping people on one hand, then go on ahead and do it in the same breath.

      But, you get a pass, right, because your side is right? LOL! Consistency would be nice.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Lmerr: What you say is true. But I would counter that those who do not support gay marriage aren't exactly loving towards their gay brothers and sisters, are they?

      June 10, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
  7. KandyR

    Andrea,
    Kudos to you for your openmindedness. But–Why should you be freaked out by a decision your mother made for her own reasons? It's not your business. What I don't get is why Christians (and others) have so much time to fuss and fume about what others do. Sure, you can quote the Bible all over the place, but why don't you put your time into something more constructive? I am sure there are enough issues in the world to work on if you just get up and start working. Go out and help the poor, work toward feeding hungry kids and helping young mothers learn to take care of their kids. Stop sitting around bemoaning how others live their lives and get out there and make a difference in the world. Love one another doesn't just mean lip service–it means action. Instead of sending out all of this negative energy, why not follow your own leaders–love one another! Really, tangibly.

    June 9, 2011 at 3:38 pm |
    • neoritter

      That kind of rests on your definition of what is constructive or what is important enough to spend time on. The people you speak of (and I assume you mean the ones that run these advocacy groups etc) view these issues as important. While they may not be in reality or just to us doesn't matter. It is important to them; to them it may be viewed as constructive. And as such I think we should all respect that, maybe listen to their argument, decide whether we agree with their view point or not, and then move on in whatever way we deem.

      June 9, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
  8. Kristi

    Hope I'm long gone when the "millenials" lose the country or simply hand it over to the likes of radical Islam.

    June 9, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
    • Shorn

      I hope your gone sooner than that.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
    • Simon

      You could just pretend it is going to happen next week and go now.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
    • Jon

      So...supporting Gay Marriage = handing the country over to radical islam?

      Are you familiar with the term Cognative Dissonance? I would guess no...

      June 9, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
  9. MSfromCA

    The g a y marriage struggle was over as soon as same s e x couples started adopting children; a lot of people just didn't realize it at the time. I predict same s e x marriage will be common in 10-20 years. I have no problem with that – at least there will be child support for the kids and alimony when the couples split. There is no danger for opposite s e x marriages here, people. I DO cringe a little for the couple standing behind the two men in wedding dresses or two women in tuxedos at the court house, but I guess it no worse than getting married in cutoffs and a t-shirt.

    June 9, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
    • btinc

      Thanks for your support!

      I have been to many same-gender weddings, and have never seen two men in wedding gowns getting married. I have seen two women in tuxedos, but I've also seen a woman in a tuxedo marrying a man, and know a lot of men who think women in tuxedos are hot.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
  10. The Voice of America

    Google the "Silent Scream" video. Then tell me if you are still pro abortion. Warning: it is graphic.

    June 9, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      I've seen that, and others. I watched them when I was anit-abortion.

      I have since come to realize I was wrong. I still don't think abortion is a good choice, but sometimes, in some situations, it is the best one available.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
  11. Waylander

    The real question is.... If marriage is ordained by god between a man and a women why is the government a part of it at all? Marriage in a legal sense is more about financial ties and family then the observance of a holy doctrine. The state should do civil unions that are EXACTLY THE SAME LEGALLY for gays and non gays, just between any 2 people. Then leave marriage to the church and have it be something that is not recognized by the government, like being a prophet. If you want to have a llegal civil union when you marry you can, and if you want to join without a religious wedding you can.

    June 9, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
    • btinc

      Exactly. There is WAY too much confusion between civil marriage, which is secular and governed by laws of the secular state, and which provides rights, benefits, and legal protections, and holy matrimony, which is a religious sacrament, and provides nothing int he way of legal protections.

      That confusion comes directly from many churches.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      There are religions that are not against same gender marriages. Why have a different word for something that is exactly the same?

      June 9, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
  12. Aristocles

    Don't trust the polls. Voters in at least 30 states oppose gay "marriage", and if not for Roe v. Wade, most or all abortions would be illegal in over half the states. People poll as more liberal than they really are, because they think that is what the pollster wants to hear. It's called the Bradley effect.

    June 9, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • Memyself

      Your "voters in 30 states" is meaningless. Don't trust the polls, but trust someone with no links or data to back them up?
      Also, if only two people who vote in a state are against gay marriage, then we could say that voters (plural) in that state are against gay marriage.

      Your words are meaningless... you must have heard it on Fox and regurgitated like a good boy.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
    • Shorn

      Voters in 30 states, huh? Where did you get that info? A poll?

      June 9, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
    • Barleyman

      This article is about a specific demographic. Nothing to do about the general electorate, but a sign of what is coming. Hold on...

      June 9, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
    • Simon

      The Bradley effect works the opposite way in traditionally conservative areas. It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative. It is related to dominant social expectations of where you live.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
    • Nelson the Cat

      The 30 least populated states in the Union have, all together, only about a fourth of the total US population.

      June 9, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
  13. Jim

    The main reason that gay marriage is acceptable to young people is that they know gay people and they see right through the lies perpetrated by groups like the Family Research Council. They know real people who contradict the myths spread by people who don't know and don't think.

    The groups that marriage should be protected against are groups like the Family Research Council and Protect Marriage.

    June 9, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • JohnR

      Bingo!

      June 9, 2011 at 3:44 pm |
    • Bucky Ball

      -------------------
      10 Reasons Why Gay Marriage is Wrong

      01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

      02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

      03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

      04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

      05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed. My parents ran out and got divorced the minute they heard about a gay couple getting married in Vermont.

      06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

      07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

      08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. yes, we really should base 21st Century social policies on a collection of Bronze Age myths from the Middle East, that were cobbled together during the Dark Ages.

      09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

      10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

      June 9, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
    • JohnR

      @Bucky One of my very, very best friends ever is a lesbian. She is also almost a foot shorter than me. When I first heard the line "Hanging around gay people makes you gay, just like hanging around tall people makes you tall", I just HAD to share it with her, knowing she would find it a hoot. But nope, I'm still straight and she's still short!

      June 9, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
    • Sean

      @Bucky Ball
      My first usage of this ever: LMFAO

      June 12, 2011 at 4:11 am |
  14. The Voice of America

    Google the video "The Silent Scream", watch it, and then tell me if you are still pro-choice after watching the baby being torn to shreds during an abortion. It is very graphic. I dare you!

    June 9, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
    • Bill

      Us normal folk don't get off on watching stuff like that. I know you just love digging into your own back during your late night flogging sessions, but lemme tell ya something: you aren't Jesus, so stfu and gtfo.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:34 pm |
    • The Voice of America

      Keep your head buried in the sand while millions die then.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
    • shootmyownfood

      Not everyone is into slasher films, thank you very much.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
    • Bucky Ball

      Before you presume to speak for America, perhaps one might check out the facts :
      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/08/pew-poll-clear-majority-of-americans-support-legal-abortion/

      The last comprehensive survey shows that abortion rates are declining.
      http://www.guttmacher.org/media/presskits/2008/01/12/abortionoverview.html

      What are single issue obsessives going to "beat their heads against the wall" about when the rates continue to drop, and, given the increasing options for reproductive choices available to women and couples today, will have to find something else to "knee jerk" about ? The ground is shifting, they don't see that ?

      June 9, 2011 at 3:59 pm |
    • Bill the Human

      No head burying here, bro. I know what an abortion is and I am glad my sister was able to get one. If you personally had prevented her from doing it, you would have been the world's first Post Birth Abortion.

      June 9, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
  15. The Jackdaw

    Wow, what shocking news. This generation does not care about the petty hangups of the past. We have real issues to deal with, like the Kardashian wedding!

    June 9, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
    • Bill the Cat

      Exactly! They have no structure, and no logic guiding their responses. Those that find abortion wrong but gay marriage fine have no logical argument for their contradiction. It's all about their feelings.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
    • The Jackdaw

      Feelings they have backed up with religion. Dont look for logic there either.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • Bill the Cat

      Sorry, Jack, but Christianity is quite logical. And defensible.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
    • logical?

      The Bible is jam packed with contradictions. Christians say Jesus is all about love and tolerance while organized Christianity seeks to control every behavior imaginable in everyone else. Control yourself and let other people make their own decisions. If God is all powerful, let it sort the wheat from the chaff and leave yourself out of it.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:44 pm |
    • Bill the Human

      How can you defend your faith beyond saying you believe? Why would someone so stalwart in their assumptions even entertain a random internet post?

      It's called FAITH because there is nothing but your personal interpretation of the Bible. However, you christians can't even do that right; you pay someone else to interpret it for you!

      June 9, 2011 at 3:44 pm |
    • The Jackdaw

      Please read the Bible with a criticle eye Bob. It is not logical. It is a mishmash of earlier religions and little more.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
    • Bill the Cat

      "@Logical;

      I've seen the "1001 contradictions" lists, and they are alla loke and garbage misunderstandings of basic knowledge of context and genre. ANd the rest of your post is just emotional rantings.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
    • Roland

      Are you sure that shouldn't be "Bill The Crusty 80 Year Old Cat".

      June 9, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
    • Bill the Cat

      @ Human:

      "How can you defend your faith beyond saying you believe"

      It's called EVIDENCE. Historical, archaeological, logical, philosophical... you should try it sometime.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:51 pm |
    • Bill the Cat

      @Rolaids:

      I'm not even half that old. The ad hominem attack is the last resort of the defeated.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:52 pm |
    • The Jackdaw

      Billl The Cat, what is this archaeological evidence? I would be very interested to see it. I am not be sarcastic, I am truly interested, because in my personal search as a student or archaeology, I have seen nothing convincing, just locations in the bible that exist in the world. I am not impressed when people of the old world knew of the locations of their day. I have seen no evidence of the divine.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:59 pm |
    • Doug

      @BillytheCat, and now tell me why the bible is called the book of god, though written by People. and also while at it how did adam and eve create such a big crowd, without their kids consummating with each other?

      June 9, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
    • Nelson the Cat

      It always creeps me out when religious people with unorthodox views pretend to speak for their religion as a whole, thereby perpetuating misconceptions held by other. Most Christians, and by far most Christian theologians don't view the bible as anything other than a book written by humans with all the flaws, errors and personal opinions that that entails. According to orthodox Christianity, the word became flesh, not paper and ink. According to orthodox Christianity the new testament is just the best available record of that event. Some Christians, especially in America, being jealous of the relationship Islam has with the Koran, have tried to put that bible into that same role, but it's not a good fit, as Bill the Cat demonstrates.

      June 9, 2011 at 4:35 pm |
    • BuffordT

      I believe in God but I’d much rather live with people who care about each other than those who only care about God or heaven.

      – Bill Blackman

      I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

      ~ Stephen F. Roberts (born: 1967 age: 43)

      Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.

      ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca (born: 4 BC died: 65 AD at age: 68)

      He who begins by loving Christianity better than truth, will proceed by loving his own sect or church better than Christianity, and end in loving himself better than all.

      ~ Samuel Taylor Coleridge

      June 9, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
    • The Jackdaw

      I waited a day to hear Bill The Cat’s evidence, but he never replied. What a convincing argument, score one for religion!

      June 10, 2011 at 8:40 am |
  16. someoneelse

    Religion is dumb and one day people will look back at you fools the same way we look back on the people who believed goat entrails would tell you the future.

    June 9, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
    • The Jackdaw

      What?! I check my goat entrails every morning!

      June 9, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
  17. Poppy

    Ive never understood how gay marriage affects hetero couples. I had a friend who said it made her marriage seem less, that it was a lot of hard work etc etc. I asked her how gay marriage would change any of that. she couldnt really answer

    June 9, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
    • Bill the Cat

      And I've never seen a logical reason for government recognition of gay marriage for any other reason than laziness and a demand to be validated.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
    • Bill the Human

      So what does that say about all the Heteros out there that do get married? Not a very good argument, bro. Not a good one at all.

      I get it though, you want to keep the laziness and validations to yourself. Makes sense to me, I guess.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
    • Bill the Cat

      I'm sorry, but nothing you said made any sense. Please try to explain yourself better.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
    • Bill the Human

      You said that gays want to get married because they are lazy and want validation. So I am asking, what does that say about every other person that wants to get married?

      June 9, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
    • Bill the Cat

      No, I said they want Government RECOGNITION. Nothing is stopping them from doing the whole wedding ceremony thing now.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
    • Bill the Human

      Does it make sense now, ya dense bible thumper. Here's what you don't get: I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN. THERE ARE PLACES CALLED CHURCHES. You can go do your thing there, and I'll stay at my home and do my thing here. I won't bug you, don't bug me. Deal? Oh, and no, I won't make your daughter or wife get an abortion. But if mine wants one, stay out of it.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:55 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @Bill the Cat, I'm afraid I do not understand why wanting to get married makes a person lazy or in need of validation?

      Most want to get married because they are in love and want to spend the rest of their lives together.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:55 pm |
    • Bill the Human

      Ok, so why even have government sanctioned marriages then? Why not give everyone a Civil Union, and then let the Christians go get married in their churches? That way everyone gets the financial benefits of coupling, and the believers save their concept of marriage?

      June 9, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • shootmyownfood

      I don't believe gay marriage affects hetero couples, with the possible exception of the religiously inclined mother with an ugly daughter who can then say – well, all the available men were able to participate in gay marriages instead of marrying my stupendously incompetent hideous daughter.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:59 pm |
    • Bill the Cat

      @Human –

      Then you condone the murder of innocent human beings.

      June 9, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
    • Bill the Cat

      @Weight.

      They can get married now all they want. They want GOVERNMENT validation, and their excuses to change the law are over validation and legalities.

      June 9, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • Bill the Human

      No, I condone the murder of unwanted parasites. Whether it is a flea on a dog or a baby in a human, doesn't matter much to me. Once that little cutey crosses the finish line, though, he's all yours.

      June 9, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • Bill the Human

      Oh no! A gay couple has a legal reason for pursuing a government sanctioned marriage! RUN FOR THE HILLS!

      June 9, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @Bill the Cat...well...yes. Your point is?

      Of course they want the legalities. They want equality. I'm not seeing your what your objection actually is?

      June 9, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
    • Poppy

      YO! bill's....chill out dudes...have a beer it will be ok just a question didnt mean for things to get out of hand. Maybe you are both right and you should just sit back and relax. who knows, no way to prove either one. be excellent to each other

      June 9, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
    • BuffordT

      @Bill the Cat

      History supports the reasonable conclusion that the native americans of North America were absolutely and completely unaware of the existence of "God" or "Jesus Christ" until presented with Christian stories by settling Europeans.

      Why did God create an entire population of people, and then deny them the knowledge of his very existence....for well over 2,000 years?

      In addition, can you please explain why you don't believe in and/or worship the Greek god Zeus? If your response to this question is some sort of bible quote that "thou shalt have no other gods before me" or something like that, does that mean you believe Zeus to be real but that you simply choose not to worship him?

      Thank you.

      June 9, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • Artist

      Jeff
      Just illustrating that the human mind is easily fooled and that something like an optical illusion could easily account for everyone's sense of an outside intelligence being near. Just Google the term "God helmet." I'm not a believer yet, but the experiment is very interesting.
      -------–
      Well this isn't that far off when you consider how some people with mental issues act around the full moon. Visions etc. Perhaps someday they will prove religion being related to a mental illness???

      June 9, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
    • Sean

      Please let gay men get married. The single ones keep hitting on me.

      June 12, 2011 at 4:14 am |
  18. Jeff

    Here we go...all the anti-God people show up now. Love it. Sure, morality evolved...you can clearly see that in the Animal Kingdom, right?

    ...and I'm sure that the 90% of the world that believes in some form of higher power are just delusional. I'm sure the other 10% are the only ones tuned in.

    June 9, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • Poppy

      its not about being anti-God its just about letting other people make their own mistakes. Everybody gets tired of the sermons...Im a Christian and if I had a penny for every time someone told me my infant baptism doesnt count I would be rich. I cant stand to be around Evangelical Christians...seriously bugger off

      June 9, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
    • Memyself

      If you want to base your morals and your life on the animal kingdom, then I guess you should be vegan. It obviously means that my cat and dog are making moral decisions as well – which is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
    • Jeff

      @Poppy...??

      I said nothing about this article as it's nothing more than an exercise in futility. Infant baptism? What's your point? Your baptism is between you and God. That said, an infant can't make a conscious choice for God. Has nothing to do with it "not counting" as you say. Baptism isn't a requirement, it's nothing more than a display of obedience.

      Bugger off? Whatever...

      June 9, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
    • Jeff

      @Poppy...my point was that every time an article comes out, these boards fill up with how God doesn't exist. My point is that over 90% of the world believe in some form of higher power. I'm fairly convinced that the majority of this board is filled up with a good amount of that other 10%.

      @Memyself...I was being sarcastic. There aren't morals in the animal kingdom, only instinct.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:38 pm |
    • Free

      Most people can see the dark dots on this scintillating grid optical illusion too, but that doesn't mean that the dots are really there.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElXW-dsUr-A

      June 9, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • Anthony

      The animal kingdom is "moral" in the sense that ,without human interaction, it is balanced. Where'd u get 90%? There's a difference between believing and acting like it to fit in. I know so many closet atheists that go to church it's not even funny. Religion is outdated. Don't believe me? Do you believe the earth rotates around the sun? Tell that to the Spanish inquisition in the 1400s and u would have been tortured for blasphemy Science has and will forever win.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
    • Jeff

      @free...what's the point? 90% of the world is under the guise of an optical illusion? Come on...

      @Anthony...I didn't say anything about religion. The 90% (and it's actually over that) of the world believe in some form of a higher power. Call it God, intelligent design, or whatever. It's still belief in something more. To your science will always win argument, how often has science been wrong?? Phlogiston theory, Geocentric theory of the solar system, The classical elemental theory. I could go on, but why? Science continues to move forward and as more knowledge is gained, other parts of science are subsequently removed.

      June 9, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
    • Poppy

      sorry Jeff, I kinda used your post as a jumping off point for my own rant.. wasnt telling you to bugger off...no buggering off required. I apologise

      June 9, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Jeff
      90% of the world believes in a higher power.
      Not sure where you pulled that datum, but regardless – truth is not democratic and cannot be determined by consensus.
      What percentage of people believe that Thomas Edison invented the lightbulb? Probably a lot, but that doesn't make it fact.

      June 9, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • Slash

      1. There is no evidence whatsoever of any deity, making the existence of God precisely as likely as the Kool-Aid Man being the creator of the universe.
      2. Evolution is a fact. Deal with it.
      3. Yes, anyone who believes in magical invisible men with absolutely zero evidence of their existence are idiots. They are precisely as sane as the guys in mental wards talking to monsters only they can see.

      June 9, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
    • Jeff

      @Poppy...no worries!

      June 9, 2011 at 4:09 pm |
    • Anthony

      "To your science will always win argument, how often has science been wrong?? Phlogiston theory, Geocentric theory of the solar system, The classical elemental theory. I could go on, but why?"

      You probably shouldn't go on, given that every thing you mentioned was a theory. Argument fail.

      June 9, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
    • Anthony

      Hey Jeff, I'm confused. Did Noah put 5,000 species of frogs on his arch? If so how did he catch them all? or did he just get 1 frog and it evolved into 5,000 different ones?

      June 9, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
    • Jeff

      @Anthony...EVERYTHING in science is a theory, constantly being reviewed, re-evaluated, and modified. What are there, like 18 scientific laws, right? Outside of that, everything is theorized.

      ...don't get me wrong, science is great. The more that's discovered, the more the hand of God is apparent. Darwin's Theory of Evolution can explain how living creatures can evolve from one form to another, but it cannot explain how something that was not alive evolved into the first life on Earth.

      Just sayin'

      June 9, 2011 at 4:24 pm |
    • Jeff

      @Anthony...I inadvertently responded to you in a separate post. It's on page 5...sorry!

      June 9, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
    • Free

      Jeff
      Just illustrating that the human mind is easily fooled and that something like an optical illusion could easily account for everyone's sense of an outside intelligence being near. Just Google the term "God helmet." I'm not a believer yet, but the experiment is very interesting. 🙂

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YPOTaUyvA0

      June 9, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
    • Artist

      Schizophrenia is a mental disorder that makes it difficult to tell the difference between real and unreal experiences, to think logically, to have normal emotional responses, and to behave normally in social situations.
      As the illness continues, psychotic symptoms develop:
      • False beliefs or thoughts that are not based in reality (delusions)
      • Hearing, seeing, or feeling things that are not there (hallucinations)
      ---–
      So the people prior to your religion were right in their mind in what they "saw" or "believed"? Our history is littered with "visions" and "sightings" of various gods.

      June 9, 2011 at 5:59 pm |
    • JohnR

      You can see nascient morality in the way members of social species behave towards members of their own group. Even social animals aren't particularly "moral" towards members of other species or members of other social groups within their own species. But neither are humans.

      June 9, 2011 at 6:26 pm |
  19. LeeCMH

    As long as Christians quit trying to use government to oppress me I really don't care if they hate me. I hate Christians back as much as they hate me.

    June 9, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
    • Ivanhoe

      It makes me sad that Christians hate. If they knew what they claimed to believe or at least lived it, I think it would be different.

      After all, Christ said that the greatest commands were to "Love God and love people."

      June 9, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
  20. truth2power

    ANTI-Choice is UN-American.

    June 9, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
    • Bill the Cat

      Bologna. Pro-murder is anti-American. And before you give me the garbage abour a fetus not being a human, bone up on Connor and Laci's Law.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
    • Bill the Human

      Ahhh, you want to bring the law into it. Guess what? Abortion is legal. Thanks for playing, ok? Your consolation prize is waiting backstage.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • hypocrite

      Bill, U.S. citizens are extremely pro-murder. Look at our proclivity towards keeping handguns (and using them). Canadians aren't like that at all. Look at the total acceptance of factory farming. Do you know where bovine serum albumin comes from? Aborted cow fetuses ripped from the mother and rapidly exanguinated right after she's killed at the abbatoir. If you're ok with that, what's the problem with someone wanting to end an early term pregnancy? It is your values that are very conflicted. Look at all the violent movies men flock to see: Explosion Man I, Explosion Man II, Explosion Man III. U.S. citizens love violence and death. The people have spoken. Let them do what they will or shut it all down.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:55 pm |
    • Bill the Cat

      And it is a contradiction. That's why the pro-aborts wanted to strike down Laci and Connor's Law. L&C's law makes the provision that the fetus is a separate human being in utero, and that anyone other than the mother who intentionally kills it is subject to life in prison. So you can take that prize of yours and open it yourself. Hopefully, it is a book on logical argumentation.

      June 9, 2011 at 3:57 pm |
    • Bill the Cat

      Wow, Hypo... so, babies are equal to cows now?

      June 9, 2011 at 3:59 pm |
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