June 16th, 2011
04:44 PM ET

Super Bowl hero warns of 'anarchy' if NY approves gay marriage

By Jason Kessler, CNN

(CNN) - Former New York Giants receiver David Tyree's celebrated catch in the closing seconds of Super Bowl XLII was pivotal to his team's victory. Now out of football, he is trying to claim a last-minute win over another foe - same-sex marriage.

On the same day that the New York State Assembly approved a same-sex marriage bill, Tyree warned of dire consequences if the legislation becomes law.

The bill's passage would "be the beginning of our country sliding toward ... anarchy," he said

Tyree made the comments in a video released Wednesday by the National Organization for Marriage, which is spearheading opposition to the bill. The legislation must now clear the Republican-controlled State Senate where its fate is uncertain.

His disapproval of gay marriage is based on religious as well as secular grounds, Tyree said.

"Marriage is the only relationship that actually mirrors the relationship with God," he said.

Read the full story here.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Church • Gay marriage • New York • Politics • Sports • United States

soundoff (321 Responses)
  1. APerson

    I don't accept gay marriage for my own reasons, most of you support it for your own reasons. Ok, cool. But I don't find it fair that Tyree is given a call to make clear what he meant by his anarchy statement, only to be ridicualed over television. Just as I'm sure no Gay Rights supporter would want to get a phone call from a religious station, asking to discuss their opinions, only to have it mocked in front of hundreds of others. That's all.

    June 17, 2011 at 10:22 am |
    • Seriously...

      He accepted being part of the ad campaign, he's the one that went public with his opinions so yes people have the right to scrutinize him.

      June 17, 2011 at 11:26 am |
    • Frogist

      @APerson: If he had anything worthwhile to say, any salient points, any evidence or valid intelligent arguments he would not been so soundly humiliated. Sadly he had nothing but the usual anti-gay, religious, fear-based crap. And when that's all you have, you come out looking like the idiot you are.

      June 17, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
  2. HungNFun

    @zelda – Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law.I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.
    1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
    2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
    4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbours. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
    5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath.Exodus 35:2. Clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

    June 17, 2011 at 10:06 am |
    • JohnQuest

      HungNFun, these would only apply if we obtained our morals from the Bible, clearly we do not. I would suggest you just ignore those and only adopt the passages you like and agree with (like everyone else).

      June 17, 2011 at 10:10 am |
    • Link

      My two cents:

      1. Canada is like America Jr, so that's probably why they don't count.
      2. Given the current state of the economy, that price certainly would be lower than a decade ago, I would think. You may want to wait to get a better return on your investment.
      3. Not gonna go there.
      4. Smite whenever possible. It's a great stress reliever.
      5. Either probably works, but nothings as fun as a good ol' neighborhood stoning. It really brings the community together.

      June 17, 2011 at 10:15 am |
    • HungNFun

      ah yes, then – well in that case...I seem to recall a Matthew 12:5 English Standard Version (©2001): stating he (Judas) went and hanged himself; and Luke 10:37, English Standard Version (©2001), And Jesus said .. “You go, and do likewise.” Of course, I do not mean that towards you! It just illustrates what you can do when you pick and choose which versus to put together! lol

      June 17, 2011 at 10:25 am |
    • HungNFun

      ah yes, then – well in that case...I seem to recall a Matthew 12:5 English Standard Version (@2001) stating he [Judas] went and hanged himself. And Luke 10:37 English Standard Version (@2001) And Jesus said.."You go, and do likewise." Of course, I do not mean for you or anyone to actually go and do anything harmful rather just to illustrate your point what can happen when you pick and choose versus – lol

      June 17, 2011 at 10:29 am |
  3. James Black


    June 17, 2011 at 9:54 am |
    • Earnest Lee Saddened

      Thanks for the musical interlude, it took the edge off as i read the insulting and useless spammers that have the freedom of speech to say what they do about a matter that bothers me. Maybe all blogs should have a sedation soundtrack.

      June 17, 2011 at 11:11 am |
  4. Camden Smith

    I'm preplexed as to why CNN is attacking David Tyree for his solid religious beliefs which clearly outline his opinion. Right now CNN is actually lambaasting him because of his opinion and this pompous anchor thinks she knows everything and is smirking on television. He has a right to his opinion whether you agree with it or not and God bless him for stating his opinion. Even if I don't share it – doesn't mean I have to attack it. You talk about acceptance CNN well that's the pot calling the kettle black if I've ever seen it. Positively tasteless what you did today.

    June 17, 2011 at 9:49 am |
    • David

      I'm a child molester: example, the woman speaking with Mr. Tyree spoke of gays and lesbians ability to "raise successful productive kids, etc." ... The guy who kidnapped the girl when she was 14[duguart?, hid her in his backyard 18 years... She's a good mom, productive kids...[Don't put him in jail for 400 years] Give me kids to molest, [make illegal] I'll pay my taxes..
      I almost want to see gays get the right to marry...[Beat African Americans... Cops get away with it, I want to see the wrath of GOD destroy America and all her sickness

      June 17, 2011 at 10:06 am |
    • JohnQuest

      David, What?

      June 17, 2011 at 10:13 am |
    • Earnest Lee Saddened

      A perfect example was the womans last question, after being stymied by simple statements. Your peers have opposing opinions, how can you speak otherwise? I wonder when freedom of speech was forgotten? Mister Tyree made simple and well backed opinions. 96% of this nation thinks similiar if not the same. So the weak argument of peer pressure is used.
      Leave religious ceremony alone. If a civil law is needed, do not imply that it has a bearing on a rite that is diametrically opposed to the act. Bring up the litany of old news articlkes that show the real point of gay wedlock, the passing of insurance and legacy, a purely civil problem.

      June 17, 2011 at 10:15 am |
    • Stevie7

      Gay marriage = anarchy is not a religious belief. Its an as.sinine, uneducated, ridiculous comment. Why should it not be subject to criticism as I have to imagine that the majority of Christians, including those who oppose gay marriage, don't actually believe that government and society would collapse if gay marriage is adopted. We need only look to states that have legalized gay marriage to see that things remained pretty much the same

      June 17, 2011 at 10:19 am |
    • Frogist

      @Ernest Lee Saddened and Camden Smith: Were you watching the same interview? Tyree had absolutely no answers to very fair questions. He had no evidence to back his claims. He couldn't even define what "natural" meant even though he kept repeating it. And then to hide behind freedom of speech? Freedom of speech doesn't mean someone else doesn't have the freedom to speak back to what you said. Like he is supposed to make the statements that he does, seek a platform like CNN to spread claims he has no evidence for and then not be questioned about it in an interview he agreed to? And the reporter asked "what's your response to that?" not "how can you speak otherwise?" – no peer pressure or bias in that. You've resorted to making things up to support your faulty position.

      June 17, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    • Earnest Lee Saddened

      The man is far from a theology major. He spoke from his point of view, not from a script. I watched the woman freak at least twice when he made points that she couldn't refute. What possible motive could she have had to use his friends opposing opinions? I would DARE the interviewer to try those questions on me, or him, now that the script is out of the bag. Gays have no "right" to usurp the word marriage. It is a weak complaint since everything they need is viable only through a civil service, and only 5 out of 50 states, at this moment, will even accept it as a civil union. Sorry there. No gay sale here.

      June 17, 2011 at 11:00 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Ernest Lee Saddened: He doesn't have to be a theology major. He just has to be a spokesperson for his cause. And he proved himself to be a very poor one indeed. I would love to know where the interviewer "freak"ed at things she couldn't refute. There were no irrefutable points as regards why gay marriage shouldn't be legal in anything he said. And you can dare anyone you like, he had his chance and he blew it. This is not a schoolyard game. Gay people are left out of many rights simply because they are not considered legally bound together. No one should support that.

      June 20, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  5. Zelda

    It's clear here; in USA the religious people do not have freedom of speeches but only the perversion supporters do. Shame on America! So far from the American Dream and Ideals.

    June 17, 2011 at 8:55 am |
    • Rick

      Who is squashing his freedom of speech? He has a right to say what is on his mind, and others have a right to comment on it if they wish

      June 17, 2011 at 8:57 am |
    • Zelda

      Rick, then maybe it's the CNN problem. Don't they have decent Americans with them?

      June 17, 2011 at 9:08 am |
    • Seriously...

      "in USA the religious people do not have freedom of speeches"

      That's why Phelps can protest military funerals with his garbage religious beliefs. You're clueless.

      June 17, 2011 at 11:23 am |
    • Earnest Lee Saddened

      This is an example of a business catering to the popular following, not the majority. If gay backers bring more hits to this blog, the questions reflect the gay advocates. If 96% of the comments were from anti gay advocates and people that just want gays to keep it in the bedroom, then the spot would have reflected the religious and moderate views. Seeing the huge tendency toward insincere and caustic comments, I don't think CNN cares who they cater too as much as seeing results. Once the die is cast, frustration tends to shake more people out of the discussions. I would like to see a simple useless or ridiculing report key too. Many of these comments are neither abuse or germaine. Religion is at a disadvantage since it is not as well exclaimed as a gay agenda is. Religion is at the loss when the dabates arrive. Religion uses faith and gay agenda uses lawyers in a civil arena.

      June 17, 2011 at 3:25 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Ernest Lee Saddened: Yes, people are more comfortable with gays and gay marriage. No, people don't like bigots who use their religion to prop up their anti-gay bias.
      That still does not change the fact that there is absolutely no valid argument against legalizing gay marriage.

      June 17, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
    • Earnest Lee Saddened

      Please Frogist, nobody made yoy the last word. Stop pretending you hold the gavel. You are ignoring what I am saying, and just deciding what you have no business deciding. 45 more states to change. And I expect that GAY biased judge to be overturned real soon. No, you are not right on any count. Not more people, which you have no comparison to. No final gavel slam either. You turn a blind eye to reasons.

      June 17, 2011 at 11:06 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Ernest Lee Saddened: Provide a valid reason gays shouldn't be allowed to marry. You have not. So far no one has.

      June 20, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  6. The Bobinator

    We already have gays already living together as if they're married. So what is this guy saying? That the legal situation changing to include gay marriage will cause the country to spiral into anarchy?

    What's he basing this on, sociological evidence? Historical evidence? Because I don't see either.

    Clearly this guy's head is only used only for resting a helmet on.

    June 17, 2011 at 8:10 am |
    • Rick

      He was a football player. This hardly qualifies him to comment on public policy.

      June 17, 2011 at 8:56 am |
    • Zelda

      Right, the Hollywood producers and stars should shut up.

      June 17, 2011 at 9:06 am |
    • JohnR

      Maybe he took too many head shots!

      June 17, 2011 at 9:44 am |
  7. Tio Taopi

    Stupid. Gay people are discriminated against. We need to stop racial, ethnic and cultural hate crimes. This whole marriage thing is crazy anyway. Isn't it frightening to see Christians leaders pretend that they are the role model for the world? This whole thing started with the Catholick Church who had a contest to see who had the best stories to be put into a religious book. These fictional stories were compiled into what is now the New Testament. It is supposed to be the Truth with a capital T. But it is Fiction with a capital F. What makes believers of fiction superior to believers in fact? Hype. Stop the crap. No religion is based on reality. Nonsense based on nonsense leads to insanity. Our laws are insane because of this.

    June 17, 2011 at 8:09 am |
  8. Doc Vestibule

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The hom.os want to marry
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.
    The pastel rainbow tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of marriage is drowned

    June 17, 2011 at 8:04 am |
    • Rick

      The ceremony of marriage is not drowned. Take government out of it and the churches can decide to "bless" gay unions (or not). Civil Unions for all. Church marriages would be only ceremonial, and not hold any legal standing at all

      June 17, 2011 at 9:01 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      The above posting is a joke (albeit a bad one) referencing the Yeats poem "The Second Coming", ok?
      This guy's comment about anarchy brought it to mind.

      June 17, 2011 at 9:10 am |
    • Frogist

      @DocV: I thought it was awesome... except the bit about the pastel rainbow tide. Pastels are so last season...

      June 17, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
  9. EricZ

    "be the beginning of our country sliding toward ... anarchy"
    "Marriage is the only relationship that actually mirrors the relationship with God"

    ..I wonder what's going on in this guy's head.... How strange...

    June 17, 2011 at 5:14 am |
    • Zelda

      @EricZ: Anarchy means moral chaos such as a state where you can marry anyone(anything) in any fashion. Marriage reflects the spiritual relationship of God with His people in the following points: #1 Exclusive love and loyalty for lifetime #2 People are to be subordinate to God as wife submits to her husband. Every beautiful human relationship on earth spiritually signifies our relationship with God. It's a symbol. Marriage is also in-sti-tu-tion-ed exclusively as one man and one woman's mutual co-ve-nant relationship by God Himself. All others are not marriage.

      June 17, 2011 at 7:18 am |
    • Link

      You may want to hit up a dictionary and review the definition of anarchy. Using a 2000+ year old book written by men (and many would argue taking it out of context as well) to justify hatred, bigotry, and oppression (the whole women submitting thing) is really just kinda pathetic. This same drivel was used to opposed interracial marriage as well – its just as disgusting.

      June 17, 2011 at 7:35 am |
    • Zelda

      @Link, the Bible is timeless and borderless. People errored in their own arrogance and sins and needed to come back to it every time. USA did not exist without the Bible. The Bible alone taught mankind freedom, equality, justice and civility.

      June 17, 2011 at 7:49 am |
    • Link

      Actually, Adelina, FairGarden, Zelda, whatever, all of those existed WELL before the bible, and existed just fine in many areas before people in those areas had access to the bible. It would seem your knowledge of both your own bible and of grade-school level history is lacking, to say the least.

      June 17, 2011 at 7:56 am |
    • Zelda

      @Link, Thanks. Do you like my new name? It means "warrior" in German.
      You are wrong and ignorant on the history. Mankind was all-out barbaric and lived only in darkness without any hope when the Bible was out of reach. The Judeo-Christian values changed everything. Americans were able to create USA because of the Bible.

      June 17, 2011 at 8:02 am |
    • Link

      Actually, your name is a Yiddish variant of the german salida, meaning happiness. Which, far as I can tell, couldn't be further from the truth.

      June 17, 2011 at 8:08 am |
    • The Bobinator

      Zelda's a troll people. Jeez, he's not even good.

      June 17, 2011 at 8:13 am |
    • Stevie7


      I guess you missed the part in history class, and in the bible, where the pagan Greeks invented democracy, the pagan Romans developed the republic, and the jews existed in a Monarchy. Or would you rather us be ruled by an earthly king? Because America was founded exactly because we did NOT want to be ruled by an earthly king.

      June 17, 2011 at 8:17 am |
    • Link

      @The Bobinator – I know I shouldn't feed the trolls. But I know I shouldn't feed the ducks at the lake either – but sometimes its
      just fun to watch.

      June 17, 2011 at 8:21 am |
    • Zelda

      @Stevie, now I wish you stayed with the Roman/Greek primitive stuff so that the Chinese could have found American continents and occupy them. Chinese found the continents first anyway. The Jews are smart because they have the Old Testament. Look at Europe and America; you have nothing valuable if you had no Christianity. Maybe just the Mongol and Arab slave-owners. And they'd be better than the history-ignorant American atheists.

      June 17, 2011 at 8:22 am |
    • Earnest Lee Saddened

      Again, as to discrimination.
      Recognize a distinction; differentiate. We can do what it means, and detail what makes a religious ceremony different from a civil union. Then we can leave the church and state separate. Marriage is not steeped in jihad. In effect, once enough radical muslims are citizens, their religious tenets will be legislated into American civil law. It could bring anarchy. Keep Church and state seperate.

      June 17, 2011 at 10:47 am |
    • Seriously...

      "The Bible alone taught mankind freedom, equality, justice and civility."

      LOL! Try telling that to the Native Americans they robbed, didn't treat with civility and certainly no justice was done. Or try telling that to all the slaves that were brought over that actually built this country, who weren't treated equally without justice and absolutely no civility. You're clueless.

      June 17, 2011 at 11:29 am |
    • Artist


      "be the beginning of our country sliding toward ... anarchy"
      "Marriage is the only relationship that actually mirrors the relationship with God"

      ..I wonder what's going on in this guy's head.... How strange...

      Yeah it started to get wierd. I think the guy really needs professional help or meds.

      June 17, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
    • Don

      Anarchy does NOT mean moral chaos; it means no government. Period. Nothing else.

      June 17, 2011 at 11:20 pm |
  10. emmy lomat

    full violations of God's Law

    June 17, 2011 at 1:49 am |
    • Stevie7

      Which god?

      June 17, 2011 at 7:16 am |
    • Zelda

      Stevie, there is only one God. So many Americans are ignorant pagans nowadays. They should be relocated into the islands on the Pacific or something.

      June 17, 2011 at 7:24 am |
    • Stevie7

      Very "American" of you. I guess you're not a big supporter of either the first or fourteenth amendment. I guess you also missed the part in your bible about the parable of the good samaritan, loving your neighbor, etc.

      June 17, 2011 at 7:31 am |
    • Zelda

      Stevie, I love you in Christ. But you need to learn and get educated in the islands.

      June 17, 2011 at 7:45 am |
    • Ron

      Actually Zelda, I'm proud to be Pagan. I see Wicca, in my case, to be the religion that conservative/evangel Christians would like to think they are...but simply are not. In the end, it doesn't matter because people in the U.S. are beginning to see the hypocrisy in their words and religion. POINT, I am not saying all Christians, just the conservative sect.

      June 17, 2011 at 10:04 am |
  11. Reality

    "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because Abraham's god made them that way.

    To wit:

    o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences and Abrahamic and other traditions said monogamous ventures should always be called same-se-x unions not same-se-x marriages.

    June 17, 2011 at 12:17 am |
  12. adex

    every creature on earth fights a constant battle for survival by procreation.humans seem to b forgetting dis fact

    June 16, 2011 at 11:07 pm |
    • frank

      Do you think the human population is dangerously small? Lol.

      June 16, 2011 at 11:25 pm |
    • Stevie7

      And other animals have same se x relations. So our species is just doing what other species do, or do you like to ignore that fact?

      June 17, 2011 at 7:20 am |
    • Zelda

      Stevie, humans are not animals but morally responsible beings. Animals are polygamists. Do you want that in USA as well?

      June 17, 2011 at 7:57 am |
    • Seriously...

      "Do you want that in USA as well?"

      There are polyg-amist already in the US.

      June 17, 2011 at 10:46 am |
    • Frogist

      @Zelda: Animals, apart from humans, are not polygamists. Animals, apart from humans, do not get married.

      June 20, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
  13. frank

    "Marriage is the only relationship that actually mirrors the relationship with God,"
    –seems like "rape" would be a more accurate mirror of the relationship (if there was a God), since He repeatedly f*ucks everybody without their consent?

    June 16, 2011 at 11:07 pm |
  14. Don

    We could only hope for anarchy. Statism is immoral in the first place, and has clearly failed.

    June 16, 2011 at 10:46 pm |
    • Earnest Lee Saddened

      I would hope humans could clear this up without deadly conflict. Statism? One gay judge is far from a statism, though the precident should not be set by letting him overturn two popular votes. That needs to be addressed by Californians.

      June 17, 2011 at 3:44 pm |
    • Don

      It is statism. There are only two option: anarchy and statism. No government or government. That's it. Jointly exhaustive and mutually exclusive.

      June 17, 2011 at 11:21 pm |
  15. Miss Scarlet's Home for Lascivious Gentlemen

    I declare. The sky is falling.

    June 16, 2011 at 10:36 pm |
    • Miss Magnolia

      Do you really think so? Whatever are we going to do? Will our houses become flat? Oh, dear...

      June 16, 2011 at 10:43 pm |
    • Miss Scarlet's Home for Lascivious Gentlemen

      Magnolia dahling, when you stroll out to the veranda please check with Miss Violet, make sure she has the key to the liquor cabinet in her bosom, someone seems to have been imbibing, and then commenting for the media again.

      June 17, 2011 at 3:19 pm |
  16. Luke

    Something tells me that David Tyree doesn't exactly know what anarchy is.

    June 16, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
    • SuperBowl of Cereal Killer Gay Football Or-gy Kickoff to Anal-gedidon End Times

      Maybe he meant "anal key" or something. Maybe that's secret gay football talk. Maybe he is speaking to his brothers there in the closet with him that the future holds an "Anal-gedidon" where everyone fills a stadium in one big or-gy to the death.
      The NFL will show us the way to the Rupture!!

      June 16, 2011 at 10:51 pm |
    • Artist


      Something tells me that David Tyree doesn't exactly know what anarchy is."
      He is an athlete, what do you expect. lol He didn't get where he is at from brain power.

      June 17, 2011 at 11:36 am |
  17. Ron

    Tyree, you know what exactly? Based on what exactly?
    Big mouth, self-righteous, he must be evangelical. They know everything...yawn!
    Those people like you make me laugh. If you're what your religion represents and if you represent you god, you can keep both.
    I don't want to be a part of a religion so shallow and worship a 'god' that is dysfunctional.
    I'm simply glad to know that this particular sect DOES NOT speak for all Christians, in spite of thinking that they do.
    Gay marriage will happen, the following day will come and go as it's meant to do, and you will all look like religious hypocrites and everyone will see you for you for what you truly are, bigoted hypocrites who hide in their bible.
    ***Remember, not all religious zealots and terrorists live in the Middle East! Sadly, we have our own share. They simply hide in their religion and think themselves as being right on all things...just like the Taliban.

    June 16, 2011 at 10:08 pm |
  18. tallulah13

    Wow, it seems this fool has forgotten that pretty much the same thing was said when black Americans were fighting for equality. I hate hypocrites.

    June 16, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
    • Zelda

      The white people enslaved the colored people before and now they impose perversion upon us. It's time to fight back again.

      June 17, 2011 at 8:05 am |
    • Free

      So, you really should have no problem with gay people fighting back against those who are oppressing them, like this guy, right?

      June 17, 2011 at 8:26 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      "The white people enslaved the colored people before and now they impose perversion upon us."
      Are you implying that only white people are gay?

      June 17, 2011 at 8:30 am |
    • Zelda

      @Free and Doc; the white people started the weird, immoral campaigns, and the gay supporters oppress those who don't agree with them like communists oppress the believers.

      June 17, 2011 at 8:45 am |
    • Seriously...

      "and the gay supporters oppress those who don't agree “
      LM*AO! Too funny, it's dis*gus*ting that there are un-informed bible thum*ping people like this in the world.

      June 17, 2011 at 10:42 am |
    • Free

      "and the gay supporters oppress those who don't agree with them like communists oppress the believers."

      More like how the civil rights supporters 'oppressed' the segregationists, you mean?

      June 17, 2011 at 11:20 am |
  19. Miracle Manna

    "Marriage is the only relationship that actually mirrors the relationship with God," he said

    Let me see if I have this correct. In a marriage the husband would be God and the wife would be man? That is the mirrored relationship he is talking about? God rewards and punishes man and the husband follows God's example when interacting with his wife. What really amazes me is that women still follow this man made religion. Some religions are worse than others. The FLDS may be the worst, but they all express some form of male domination. Another characteristic that they all share is prejudice and hate.

    June 16, 2011 at 10:04 pm |
    • Free

      I think that it's more fair to say that most religions were founded long ago, when stuff that we now call 'prejudice and hate' were the accepted norms for society, and that they all tend to cling to that era because their traditions are grounded in it. That's why they reject modern society, because to embrace it would seem like a rejection of their founding masters' teachings.

      June 17, 2011 at 12:04 am |
    • Rick

      No, mirroring the relationship with god means the man is god, and the woman is an unsuspecting virgin

      June 17, 2011 at 2:27 am |
    • Zelda

      The relationship of God with His people is signified in many other human relatioships; husband-wife(bride) is just one of them. There are also: father-son, mother-child, brothers(Jesus), friends, king-subject, master-servant, general-soldier, and so on. Each has unique pictures to give us the ultimate hope and joy of meeting the all-surpassing, wonderful, holy and loving God.

      June 17, 2011 at 7:43 am |
    • Link

      Would this be the same loving god that instructed parents to stone their disobedient children? Actually, that seems like a very accurate comparison to the relationship between man and god – submit and do exactly as I say or suffer for all eternity. Sounds more like and abusive parent or spouse.

      June 17, 2011 at 7:48 am |
    • Zelda

      @Link, those children were grown traitors. Of course national traitors deserve execution. Moral laws in the Bible are all good – we'd have much better-behaving adults and kids if we practiced them. Jesus fulfilled all ritual laws.

      June 17, 2011 at 7:53 am |
    • Link

      @Zelda, can you please provide the passage in Leviticus stating that those children were grown traitors? A child being disobedient = national traitor? The lengths you go to to justify you're warped view of the bible never cease to amaze.

      June 17, 2011 at 8:03 am |
    • Zelda

      @Link, you are the one who brought that up. Find it. Don't make others do your work. Unless you read the entire Leviticus and also Genesis through Revelation, you won't understand a verse.

      June 17, 2011 at 8:07 am |
    • Link

      @Zelda, Leviticus 20:9 talks about executing disobedient children. I can't find any passages about those children being national traitors because I can't find passages that you just make up out of the top of your head. I can't find what doesn't exist. What your doing would actually be considered blasphemy ... I thought that was a sin, no?

      June 17, 2011 at 8:12 am |
    • Free

      In human relationships people learn how to treat subordinates by first being one, and then the get the opportunity to put what they have learned into practice by rising in ranks. Thus, children can become parents themselves, soldiers can become officers, and workers can become bosses, but who can become God? That's where the relationship fails to mirror human ones; it always puts the person in the subordinate, controlled position. Some seem to recognize this and are dissatisfied, perhaps. They appoint themselves to act as God on this Earth, judging those THEY see as being sinful. Isn't that right?

      June 17, 2011 at 8:23 am |
    • Zelda

      @Link: Read also Deutronomy 21:18-21. Those are grown kids. Also see what happened if the justice wasn't enforced, in I Samuel chapters 1-4. Those sins were not just specific blasphemous rebellion against God under theocracy but also directly brought national calamities. And they knew it. @Free, those human relationships are like mirroring parables. In parables, not every aspect is applied but only certain aspects. Read and study. In short, we are in a loving relationship with the holy and almighty God and obey Him, knowing who He is. If further questions, come back.

      June 17, 2011 at 8:34 am |
    • Link

      So, just so we're clear, any adult child who curses his father is a national traitor and should be executed? I mean, that's the logic you're using. If the US were to use your logic, I'd happily move to a pacific island.

      June 17, 2011 at 10:08 am |
    • Free

      "Read and study."
      Are you suggesting that further research would reveal that these things actually do make real sense, or is this just Christian-speak for "take it on faith that what I'm saying is true"?

      Remember that many of us atheists know the Bible better than the average believer, so that bluff don't impress us much. All the "study" in the world won't help, but it may get people to give up trying to understand it all and just accept everything on faith, which I suspect is your real purpose with this. In the end, all you are trying to do is place the blame for believers having doubts in the system back on them, and hoping that they give up trying to actually understand it all and simply come to trust your authority like some child might their parent. Is this how you get to 'graduate' within the relationship, by assuring those with honest doubts that it will all make sense some day when, in fact, you haven't made sense of it yet yourself?

      "we are in a loving relationship with the holy and almighty God and obey Him,"
      Loving, but never equal. Obeying, but really because you fear him, yes? In human terms this would be considered a rather oppressive relationship, right?

      June 17, 2011 at 10:30 am |
    • Frogist

      @MiracleManna: "In a marriage the husband would be God and the wife would be man?"
      Yes. And since God is male that means He totally supports gay marriage.

      June 17, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
    • Earnest Lee Saddened

      Frogist, arter that amazing debate, don't ever comment to me again. Your real face showed through.

      June 17, 2011 at 11:11 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Ernest Lee Saddened: Still waiting on a valid reason from you why gays can't be married.

      June 20, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
  20. mike c

    Gays (and Muslims and immigrants) now occupy the place in American culture previously inhabited by African-Americans. What a shame that some parts of America cannot outgrow this need to put someone down in order to feel better.

    June 16, 2011 at 9:53 pm |
    • Free

      Some people just never grow out of that high school way of thinking.

      June 16, 2011 at 11:38 pm |
    • Zelda

      America should adopt Sharia Law to be really fair. It should not just listen to gay supporters and oppress others.

      June 17, 2011 at 7:22 am |
    • Seriously...

      "It should not just listen to gay supporters and oppress others."

      It's the gays that are oppressed since they don't have equal civil rights. What a prejudice person you are, you must be a Christian.

      June 17, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • David

      I should be able to rob and burglarize, steal and take what I want because there is no ' right or wrong" .....
      It's funny: society hates Christians, soon as someone gets hurt they run to
      St. Mary's Queen of Angels hospital [some other hospital created by the church] ...
      When there's an earthquake, disaster, church pews are full!

      June 17, 2011 at 10:48 am |
    • David

      To John Qwest: since there is no "right or wrong, " ... Striving for "equality for all," the pedophiles want the right to do as they please, make it legal to do what they want... The couple kidnapped the 14-year-old... "She's a good mom" a productive citizen, a good person...
      Apparently she wasn't as psychologically damaged as perhaps we thought...[Abortions legal, keep killing them!]

      There are laws, there should be laws. Gays should have all the rights[man and wife] but they should not be able to get married... That is for a man and a woman

      June 17, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • Seriously...

      David your statements prove your clueless about gays stop being so lazy and actually do some research so you can become better informed.

      June 17, 2011 at 11:33 am |
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