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June 16th, 2011
04:44 PM ET
Super Bowl hero warns of 'anarchy' if NY approves gay marriageBy Jason Kessler, CNN (CNN) - Former New York Giants receiver David Tyree's celebrated catch in the closing seconds of Super Bowl XLII was pivotal to his team's victory. Now out of football, he is trying to claim a last-minute win over another foe - same-sex marriage. On the same day that the New York State Assembly approved a same-sex marriage bill, Tyree warned of dire consequences if the legislation becomes law. The bill's passage would "be the beginning of our country sliding toward ... anarchy," he said Tyree made the comments in a video released Wednesday by the National Organization for Marriage, which is spearheading opposition to the bill. The legislation must now clear the Republican-controlled State Senate where its fate is uncertain. His disapproval of gay marriage is based on religious as well as secular grounds, Tyree said. "Marriage is the only relationship that actually mirrors the relationship with God," he said. |
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this BLACK man is saying the same thing (essentially, warning of anarchy) that WHITE people said when black folk got voting rights. And equal rights. And when BLACK folk were considered WHITE folk property. I am so sure that HE is glad that the WHITE folk's bigotry did not stay LAW.
Is that what he said? Clean your ears out. Listen again.
You're right ron, the black people tend to forget where they've came from. Now they've gotten all high and mighty and don't care about anyone else civil rights but their own. If I can marry the person I want, then maybe I need to (1) try to get enough people to sign where once your married NO ONE CAN DIVORCE and (2) get a law pass where you can't have inter-racial marriages, that would upset the black greatly.
I agree 100%.
I find it amazing that there are African Americans who can argue against equal rights for a minority group! It's like they forgot the VERY RECENT history of there own people! Even those who argue against "gay marriage" but support "civil unions" don't seem to realize that they are essentially supporting the case for "separate but equal" classes!
If there were a god, he would smite these hypocritical morons!
@Dan: Well said.
Some notes and questions:
Hmmm lets see, in ga-y se-xual activity, who plays the guy and who plays the gal? Who is on top and who is on the bottom? A coin flip? To say the least, an unusual situation. Then there are those "made in China" toys/strap-ons. Lets hope the FDA has checked them for lead and other toxic components. And do said "toys" come with sanitizers and/or sterilization instructions?
Lots and lots of "ga-ys" doing their hot and heavy things on Internet tube sites but nothing about coin flipping, who is on first, and sanitizers sites?? There must be some "Gaying It For Dummies" books out there somewhere. Hmmm, I wonder if said books/sites have to have FDA and CDC approval??
Is said activity wrong and worthy of a trip to hell? Of course not but to the general heterose-xual population it is yucky, unusual and not normal to them. With that mind set, approval by the majority is not always sanctioned in law.
The general population to include many of the voters in California, rightly or wrongly, find gay se-xual activities, married or not, to be "yucky" and unusual and typically associate such activity with the spread of AIDS which is of course wrong. Said AIDS epidemic in the g-ay male community at the start of the AIDS crises will always remain unfortunately a stigma on the g-ay community.
" And after all of this rhetoric, gay "marriages" simply simplify and somewhat sanitize what are still defective acts caused by a variant gene(s) and/or hormone imbalance. One wonders if stem cell research will find a cure??
Hmmm, would the embryos formed from the sperm of ga-y guys and the eggs from ga-y gals make more ethical embryos for this and other types of research?? "
Impressive list of ga-y people who did not let their defect get in the way of being a contribution to society. Unfortunately, they were not able to contribute to the evolutionary process of DNA improvement via procreation.
And one will never know whether they would have achieved even greater achievements without said defect.
And from below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, ga-y se-xual activity is still mutual mast-urbation caused by one or more complex se-xual defects. Some defects are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell. Of course not all having these abnormal tendencies, show it outwardly.
Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male.
Stop by when you hit New York, I can intro you to a bunch of straight women that have husbands, kids and tendencies that make Ellaen Billie and Rosie look like Daisy Mae Clampett. I doubt its the genes or the brains. Live in lion country, you learn to roar.
Catching footballs makes him a religious expert?
He must think his athletic abilities extends to his brain lol
It must have been all those Hail Mary passes, man?
omg that interview was hilarious! And not in a good way. It was just really embarrassing for him. As a spokesperson, he is really out of his depth. I wonder why he was picked by NOM (lol) to plead their case. Shouldn't he have been prepared with statistics and definitions to prove his point? He certainly proved the point of every last person who is supportive of same se-x marriage – that those in opposition are simply biased and willfully ignorant. Presented with evidence that same se-x families raise kids who turn out to be very understanding and welcoming of diversity (like race diversity), he had no answer. Presented with the fact that his dad wasn't around and he turned out quite successful, he still insisted on that nuclear family ideal as the only way. He just kept repeating "unnatural" and making religious references. Where was his secular opposition? It doesn't exist.
Frogist, this proves you haven't got a clue or a CONSCIENCE.
Frogist
@MiracleManna: "In a marriage the husband would be God and the wife would be man?"
Yes. And since God is male that means He totally supports gay marriage.
Stop pretending this is a playpen. Adults would like to have an adult discussion.
@Ernest Lee Saddened: Yes, that was quite funny, wasn't it? Too bad you didn't get the joke.
BTW, since you are resorting to personal attacks, I can only assume you still haven't come up with a valid reason why gay people shouldn't be married. Keep trying though. I could use another laugh.
Also maybe you can look your gay friends in the eye and talk to them about 'conscience' when you deny them their rights. That's not something I could ever do.
I was not trying to attack CW, but he/she seems to think all of human kind is bise-xual, including him/herself. I was only pointing out that as far as I can tell, most people are not bise-xual.
Most guys who watch po.rn seem to think that all lesbians are actually bise.xual, and eager to invite men into thr.eesomes. Clearly, there is a lot of ignorance about the gay community, and non-gay Christians are probably not the best source of information to base one's opinions about these folks.
H ell, an idea invented in Iran and stolen by the Jews during the exile.
Wait.....what?
I think you'd be more on the mark for blaming Hell on the Greeks who were influencing the Jews just before Jesus showed up, and were still heavily influencing the gentiles that Paul and others brought the new faith to. The NT uses the word 'Hades' for hell more than any other word, after all.
CW is BI now that is interesting
IF CW is female that would be hot
@Artist: Again, this must be a guy thing... How could you possibly find CW with all the religious crazy and biased nonsense hot?! You can't even read this, can you? Too busy picturing lesbian three somes...
Artist
Ann Coulter hot. In other words, you'd do her just to get her to shut up. 🙂
CW is just a troll, plain and simple. And if she or he isn't and actually believes in the hate and lies he/she spreads, they he/she is just a repugnant person who hates her fellow man, that's plain enough.
CW, you still haven't stated when you decided to not to be with one se-x and decided to be with the other.
NOTE: If you are attracted to both se-xes (bise-xuality) and decide to only be with one, you are a bise-xual that decided to only be with one se-x. If that's your situation then it's cool (don't judge others for making a another decision).
Or you might me like most of us, I am not a bise-xual I did not choose to be a heterose-xual I just am. I was never attracted to the same se-x, are you saying that you are\were attracted to the same se-x?
I doubt they will even notice in the hood.
"Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because Abraham's god made them that way.
To wit:
o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:
“ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "
"Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8
Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.
And because of basic biology differences and Abrahamic and other traditions said monogamous ventures should always be called same-se-x unions not same-se-x marriages.
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There's a ridiculous statement if I ever heard one. Honoring individual rights and promoting lifelong union among all people will SURELY lead to the decline of our society.
I think American Football is leading to the decay of our society, rewarding irresponsible, undeserving 'athletes' who play a game with so many stoppages that it contributes to the widespread ADD of our society.
@ Sean,
What an oxymoron,
you say:
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There's a ridiculous statement if I ever heard one. Honoring individual rights and promoting lifelong union among all people will SURELY lead to the decline of our society.
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I say:
What a bunch of lies...you know if you would consult the Bible...you would know that this is wrong.
"Honoring individual rights and promoting lifelong union among all people will SURELY lead to the decline of our society."
Nice sweeping generalization being a little to dramatic now it wouldn't be ALL people moron.
Hey CW – check this out!
In what the U.S. State Department is calling a "historic step," the U.N. Human Rights Council passed a resolution Friday supporting equal rights for all, regardless of se-xual orientation.
The resolution, introduced by South Africa, is the first-ever U.N. resolution on the human rights of lesbian, gay, bise-xual and transgendered persons.
Yeah!
Thank you David Tyree for speaking up,
This behavior is an abomination....truly sad. At least I know the state I live in will never entertain this. g-ay marriage is wrong....period. This behavior is wrong....you have a problem with it...take it up with God...I didn't write the Bible God used man to write his perfect word.
CW it's being proven that blocking their marriage is unconsti-tutional. Once the California case makes it to the supreme court it will be over. Prop 8 lost it's second appeal – it was found to be unconsti-tutional.
Your prejudice is disgusting because people keep telling you the truth that they are born this way, it's not a choice, it's not a mental illness and it can't be voluntarily changed. You continue to lie about them is why you are going to hell.
@ Seriously,
If you read my comment I said that this is a BEHAVIOR period. So with this being a behavior...like anger, or any emotion or state...ITS A CHOICE.
"If you read my comment I said that this is a BEHAVIOR period. So with this being a behavior...like anger, or any emotion or state...ITS A CHOICE."
Again the experts disagree with you. Human beings cannot choose to be either gay or straight. Psychologists do not consider se-xual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed.
Keep spreading your lies you are going to hell.
".I didn't write the Bible" no, hundreds of ignorant nomadic people living in the dessert did.
CW
How do you know that it's just a behavior? Is this what the gay community, or the medical and scientific establishments are saying? Oh, that's right, you have all those people who have been 'cured' of being gay. People like Kirk Andrew Murphy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlqSejPKdn0
Al, As a Black Man I find ridiculous (hypocritical) not to see civil rights as civil rights. We fought and died to obtain the same rights as every other free American, how is that different than what gays are fighting for? We fought for the right to Marry anyone we choose, how is that different" We fought not to be discriminated against, how is that different? We fought for the right to fight, how is that different? We fought for our dignity, how is that different?
Except for your religious beliefs (which should not be forced on anyone else), what objection do you have against gay people? I can not think of one, if gays get married how does it effect my marriage, if they live across the street how does it effect my home, city or country. I can't see one reason other than religious or cultural bigotry why any citizen should not have the same rights as any other citizen, do you?
@ JohnQuest,
you say:
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Al, As a Black Man I find ridiculous (hypocritical) not to see civil rights as civil rights. We fought and died to obtain the same rights as every other free American, how is that different than what gays are fighting for? We fought for the right to Marry anyone we choose, how is that different" We fought not to be discriminated against, how is that different? We fought for the right to fight, how is that different? We fought for our dignity, how is that different?
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I say:
The difference here is that you DON'T have and will never have a "CHOICE" as to what your sk.in color is. Trust me this is SOOO DIFFERENT
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You say:
Except for your religious beliefs (which should not be forced on anyone else), what objection do you have against gay people? I can not think of one, if gays get married how does it effect my marriage, if they live across the street how does it effect my home, city or country. I can't see one reason other than religious or cultural bigotry why any citizen should not have the same rights as any other citizen, do you?
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I say:
Your views and all the "its okay to be g-ay crowd" shouldn't be able to have its views FORCED on me and other christians either. You ask if this abomination was allowed how it would affect you? Maybe from your point of view it wouldn't but from mine it would very much so. First off if you have kids then this not only confuses them but also exposes them to this IMMORAL behavior. Second...remember the good ol' days when television used to not allow all the junk it does now?...you see...it has influenced society to the point that "anything now goes". Trust me....you may not feel that this would harm anyone but it would.
"The difference here is that you DON'T have and will never have a "CHOICE" as to what your sk.in color is. Trust me this is SOOO DIFFERENT"
The experts have shown that it has their brains which is why it's not a choice.
"First off if you have kids then this not only confuses them but also exposes them to this IMMORAL behavior"
Studies comparing groups of children raised by ho-mos-exual and by heteros-exual parents find no developmental differences between the two groups of children in four critical areas: their intelligence, psychological adjustment, social adjustment, and popularity with friends. It is also important to realize that a parent's s-exual orientation does not indicate their children's.
CW, obviously you are bise-xual and made the CHOICE to only be involved with the opposite se-x.
Your argument about TV doesn't make sense unless you think that, TV causes Gayness?
As for your children being exposed to something you do not approve of, unfortunately, gays are a part of our society, they are fellow tax paying citizens. They have always been around your children (no matter what country you move to they will always be around).
I think it would be better to teach our children to treat everyone the same, you don't have to agree with them but we do have to respect them.
You still haven't explained how gays effect you, other than saying that you don't like to see them, that answer is not good enough to discriminate against them, is it?
"The difference here is that you DON'T have and will never have a "CHOICE" as to what your sk.in color is. Trust me this is SOOO DIFFERENT'.... micheal jackson, dud
CW
You seem to imagine gay se.x as one man establishing dominance over another, like in prisons or on ancient battlefields. Are you in the mindset that all se.x is something that one person, a dominant, does to a weaker person?
CW
"The difference here is that you DON'T have and will never have a "CHOICE" as to what your sk.in color is. Trust me this is SOOO DIFFERENT'
Interesting then that so many white people choose to tan their skins as darkly as they can. That, my friend, is a choice.
Now, when you go looking for a little romantic company do you actually, consciously choose only amongst the opposite gender, or do you find both genders equally attractive? There are bise.xual people out there who do, and I'm supposing that you think that all gays are likewise bise.xual. I blame the por.n industry for this, and their girl-on-girl-welcomes-boy fantasy. Sorry to break it to you, bud, but real lesbians are about as interested in you as you are in other men.
Dear CNN,
Before we make up our minds on this subject we also need to hear from Justin Bieber. Can you help us with that ?
I found the interview with David Tyree and that smug "reporter" to be very distasteful,even appalling. As an interviewer/reporter your job is to seek the truth and report the facts, not to invoke your own theories or ideologies. Her arrogance was nauseating to watch and hear. And what was up with that question about him being a black man, what does that have to do with anything. If a person cannot be respected for his\her faith and beleifs, how can you expect to be respected for your beliefs.
"And what was up with that question about him being a black man"
Ummm, lets....see....discrimination comes to mind....oh and the fight for civil rights too... or don't you get that about gays that they are being discriminated against and fighting for their civil rights.
I love these videos as they try to make a premise that does not exist and exclude the Anthropic principle. People need to get over their egocentric beliefs and just accept the only things that we know without making anything else up.
A society without beliefs really would be anarchy... point made...checkmate...
"A society without beliefs really would be anarchy... point made...checkmate..."
Society will always have laws so anarchy won't happen....checkmate....checkmate...
You have to believe in the law to abide by the law, or at the very least have some kind of faith in the law that justice will prevail. There are some that do not believe in the law, nor believe that justice is blind. So then, they begin to take the law into their own hands, and start brand out justice according to their own selfserving individual laws. This my friend is anarchy...it first starts in the home, then in schools, and then in society. At what point do we draw the line and take a stand to say this is as far as we're gonna go as a people, as Americans, and as a nation.
@Leo Lionheart: And making gay marriage legal will make people not believe in the law? Can you provide any basis for your assertions?
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This again. Great laughs.
Now that I see this video, it becomes harder to believe that we are still just chance occurences. I guess seeing it as a laugh is anyones right though. Some people laugh when they are frightened too.
Actually it's not at all frightening. It's very reassuring to see that Intelligent Design is still so easily debunked, even from the mouth of a supposedly MIT trained, double PhD, who is so out of touch that he doesn't even know the name of the most published author in his field, (and mispronounces it).
Earnest Lee Saddened
Speaking of funny, if you watch America's Funniest Videos you might also be inclined to believe that men's groins actually attract flying projectiles and other forms of injury more than any other body part, but is it really difficult to believe that they are all just chance occurrences?
After the rupture makes the usual I decide black is white noise to irritate people, and got zero return for the antagonism.
and i guess you want to be seen in those videos pretty bad to advertize them. Nobody
Mr. Tyree was simply "given enough rope to hang himself". and did so again on CNN this morning when Kyra Phillips of CNN interviewed him, and he could not answer one question with a complete or logical thought. With his complete inability to express even one thought that demonstrated critical thinking, I doubt Mr. Tyree has much, if any, education.
The most extensive examination of this subject was done by the California court system, in the Prop 8 Case, both for and against. In the appeals phase, (which anyone can read on-line), an excerpt can be lifted from the open court proceeding.
Judge to plaintiff attorney : "How exactly does same s'ex marriage threaten traditional marriage" ?
Plaintiff attorney " I don't know".
Why does the state have to intrude on religion? Answer that with critical thinking. Religious people are taught to not be critical, but some things are seen as sin. Gays should not be mixing civil laws with religious tenets. Religions bow to civil law with licenses. That is not to say that civil law can dictate what religion has to accept. There is no "RIGHT" to force a long deemed SIN on religion. Any more than religion can force their views of the sin of abortion on state laws. The body is the states domain. Let the state deem anal intrusion legal. The rite of religion is not a bodily function, it is a concept long followed by religions. Not in the realm of state.
@Earnest,
No one is forcing anything on religion. We are talking about CIVIL law here. Civil marriage. No church is going to be forced to perform same-gender marriages.
myweightinwords
The real fear is that they know some churches will choose to perform same-se.x marriages, that those churches will draw parishioners, especially young ones, away from fundamentalist churches like their own, causing their churches some financial distress. Pretty soon, they know, all the bigotry against gays will gradually disappear once they demonstrate how normal they are within their faith communities. Then it might actually come down to their church having to choose between closing and catering to the new reality of American Christianity.
Myweighinwords, drop the word marriage, tell everyone, I'll wait. No, I'll keep saying what I believe until you get the job done. I won't help the other 45 states to decide yes though. I am watching NY closely too. I wrote all my Reps. Sodomy is sick and a sin. And most of the world thinks that way.
@Ernest Lee Saddened: You do know that an al se x isn't the only thing that distinguishes gay people, right? You seem to be caught up in a huge misconception. A lot of gay men, don't even do the an al and a lot of straight couples love it. And then what about the lesbians? You seem very sheltered when it comes to gays and s ex. It makes me really wonder where your objections to gay marriage are coming from.
Is Kira being paid on the side from Gay Groups? Her continued support of Gay rights in my opinion is fine , even though I disagree with it. But I have a real problem with the way she rips into the fabric of Christianity or the norm or an entire Generation of people who believe their bible when it warns of practicing sodomy. My problem with Kira is that she seems so willing to bash the norm to address something that can never produce children , an arrangement Known to the religions as against God and a UNION that will only benefit the two involved and will produce nothing at all for society's future.
I am not against gay's but I do know that all your closets exit into your homes not onto the street. In all the years this has been a topic my only question has been.." Why do I need to know that your in or out of the closet?"
Are Christians being paid to defend their views? Some people actually defend their beliefs because they are passionate about their cause, and they know in their heart that what they believe is right, wouldn't you say?
So, you agree that no one should be allowed to post pictures on the internet or at their desks of their families? No wedding photos, no holding hands in public, no kissing outside your front door. If gay people have to keep their private lives private, so does everyone else. Right?
As a black man I find it ridiculous when people continue to compare the racial struggles of African Americans to those of every other group in America. It is insulting and not a fair comparison. I agree completely with David Tyree. This country is going into a strange direction and for those that choose not to follow they are ridiculed and attacked. The U.S. has become a country of anything goes. It's also the very reason why our moral fabric is tearing apart. We have to draw the line somewhere. The CNN anchor that interviewed Tyree was blatantly biased in her questions and comments. She made it seeem as if she was honorable and correct while Tyree was rude and insensitive. Apparently CNN and the anchor have a slant that they intend on shoving down people's throats. I believe that people have the choice to live their lives as they see fit. But you will not force me to agree with those choices. I thank David Tyree for speaking God's truth in face of the media's program to force their twisted view of human exisistence on us. I wish more celebreties had the backbone and standards to do the same.
"to force their twisted view of human exisistence on us."
Your prejudice is showing. It's been proven that being gay is not a mental illness, it's not a choice and it can't be voluntarily changed. They deserve equal civil rights under that law. They deserve to be able to have the same rights as straight people. The right that if one dies the other gets the children through their marriage, the right to be able to make medical decisions for their partners no questions asked and be at their bedside, the right to take the same tax breaks as a married couple.
I too am a Black man, 56 yrs of age, and can easily recollect, the same fase logic being used to hinder blacks as a people. Regargless, if one puts a argument out there and can not defend it with reasoning, that represents his argument. Tyree can not defend his point without denying himself. Furthermore, my wife & I have been married for 26 wonderful hrs and I have never felt that our lifestyle was threatened by individuals who are gay. He'll man we even live in the metro Atl area.
Try this video on for size, Al.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in7p72QD50Q
As a gay man, I don't really care about anyone elses viewpoint... but if you have nothing against gays, I don't see how you can object allowing gay marriage for civil benefits when it doesn't effect you in any way. Should we deny individuals health insurance so you can sleep better at night?