My Take: Bible condemns a lot, so why focus on homosexuality?
June 21st, 2011
10:10 AM ET

My Take: Bible condemns a lot, so why focus on homosexuality?

Editor's Note: Jonathan Dudley is the author of Broken Words: The Abuse of Science and Faith in American Politics.

By Jonathan Dudley, Special to CNN

Growing up in the evangelical community, I learned the Bible’s stance on homosexuality is clear-cut. God condemns it, I was taught, and those who disagree just haven’t read their Bibles closely enough.

Having recently graduated from Yale Divinity School, I can say that my childhood community’s approach to gay rights—though well intentioned—is riddled with self-serving double standards.

I don’t doubt that the one New Testament author who wrote on the subject of male-male intercourse thought it a sin. In Romans 1, the only passage in the Bible where a reason is explicitly given for opposing same-sex relations, the Apostle Paul calls them “unnatural.”

Problem is, Paul’s only other moral argument from nature is the following: “Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory?” (1 Corinthians 11:14-15).

Few Christians would answer that question with a “yes.”

In short, Paul objects to two things as unnatural: one is male-male sex and the other is long hair on men and short hair on women. The community opposed to gay marriage takes one condemnation as timeless and universal and the other as culturally relative.

I also don’t doubt that those who advocate gay marriage are advocating a revision of the Christian tradition.

But the community opposed to gay marriage has itself revised the Christian tradition in a host of ways. For the first 1500 years of Christianity, for example, marriage was deemed morally inferior to celibacy. When a theologian named Jovinian challenged that hierarchy in 390 A.D. — merely by suggesting that marriage and celibacy might be equally worthwhile endeavors — he was deemed a heretic and excommunicated from the church.

How does that sit with “family values” activism today?

Yale New Testament professor Dale B. Martin has noted that today’s "pro-family" activism, despite its pretense to be representing traditional Christian values, would have been considered “heresy” for most of the church’s history.

The community opposed to gay marriage has also departed from the Christian tradition on another issue at the heart of its social agenda: abortion.

Unbeknownst to most lay Christians, the vast majority of Christian theologians and saints throughout history have not believed life begins at conception.

Although he admitted some uncertainty on the matter, the hugely influential 4th and 5th century Christian thinker Saint Augustine wrote, “it could not be said that there was a living soul in [a] body” if it is “not yet endowed with senses.”

Thomas Aquinas, a Catholic saint and a giant of mediaeval theology, argued: “before the body has organs in any way whatever, it cannot be receptive of the soul.”

American evangelicals, meanwhile, widely opposed the idea that life begins at conception until the 1970s, with some even advocating looser abortion laws based on their reading of the Bible before then.

It won’t do to oppose gay marriage because it’s not traditional while advocating other positions that are not traditional.

And then there’s the topic of divorce. Although there is only one uncontested reference to same-sex relations in the New Testament, divorce is condemned throughout, both by Jesus and Paul. To quote Jesus from the Gospel of Mark: “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery.”

A possible exception is made only for unfaithfulness.

The community most opposed to gay marriage usually reads these condemnations very leniently. A 2007 issue of Christianity Today, for example, featured a story on its cover about divorce that concluded that Christians should permit divorce for “adultery,” “emotional and physical neglect” and “abandonment and abuse.”

The author emphasizes how impractical it would be to apply a strict interpretation of Jesus on this matter: “It is difficult to believe the Bible can be as impractical as this interpretation implies.”

Indeed it is.

On the other hand, it’s not at all difficult for a community of Christian leaders, who are almost exclusively white, heterosexual men, to advocate interpretations that can be very impractical for a historically oppressed minority to which they do not belong – homosexuals.

Whether the topic is hair length, celibacy, when life begins, or divorce, time and again, the leaders most opposed to gay marriage have demonstrated an incredible willingness to consider nuances and complicating considerations when their own interests are at stake.

Since graduating from seminary, I no longer identify with the evangelical community of my youth. The community gave me many fond memories and sound values but it also taught me to take the very human perspectives of its leaders and attribute them to God.

So let’s stop the charade and be honest.

Opponents of gay marriage aren’t defending the Bible’s values. They’re using the Bible to defend their own.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Jonathan Dudley.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Homosexuality • Opinion

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  1. fred

    Lacking Evidence since 14 Billion BC says “there is no holy book of atheists” . For short lets refer to him as bc. Everything bc says is in the bible. Bc has a holy book. Nothing new, everything bc uses to attack God is written in the bible. The main thread throughout the bible is a people who search after God and those who oppose these people and do not search after God. People who look forward to a hope, a Kingdom, a promised land and a people that do not acknowledge God, a hope or a Kingdom. A people who thirst for Righteousness and a people who love the things of this world. “ the light shines in the darkness but the darkness has not understood it”. The bible was written for bc just as it was for me. We are to pray for bc as this bible is the story of lost ones, all people called to worship God. If there are any Christians out there say a prayer for bc today. We want everyone to come into the glory and light of God through Jesus sacrifice at the cross.

    June 21, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Sorry Fred, but the more I read your post, the more I suspect whoever wrote it wears an aluminum foil helmet!

      June 21, 2011 at 3:38 pm |
    • John Richardson

      @William DeMuth I disagree! I envision Fred in a conical tin foil cap!

      June 21, 2011 at 3:51 pm |
    • andy 666

      Sorry, I think I missed your point. Would you mind rephrasing everything?

      June 21, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
    • Randy M

      I hear you Fred.

      June 21, 2011 at 6:41 pm |
  2. DA

    So, here is the question for thousands of year people worshiped in various ways before settling upon the single God theory we have today in the three major religions. So I say to you at what point will people today finally wake up and understand the bible is a good book to "read" not base your entire life around!!

    June 21, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
    • Anathoth

      I have based my entire life around The Bible and it has made all the difference in the world. 🙂

      June 21, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • joe

      to anathoth – and I have not, and it also has made all the difference in the world. how do you explain that?

      June 21, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
    • Randy M

      Most people don't base their life around it. Most people merely live out selfish ambition for power, and material gain. It has always been that way. Are you sure you read the Bible? God is trying to give us a new direction and not to follow the way of the world. The way of the world system is power, prestige and money. According to the Bible, this world is ruled by Satan. Again you must decide it is your choice. God gave us free will and you have the perfect right to go to hell if you really want to. But you don't have to.

      June 21, 2011 at 6:53 pm |
  3. patriot1942

    Jonathan, thank you for an excellent article! Should make a lot of us rethink our positions on many matters!

    June 21, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
  4. RubyRed

    Thank you for this article. Very well spoken.

    June 21, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
  5. liz

    I'm still trying to figure out what the justification is for using Leviticus to demonize the gays while the pork &shellfish eaters, the wearers of mixed fabrics get a pass.

    June 21, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • liz

      Leviticus 11:7-8 ESV
      And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
    • seriously??

      Um Liz, there's an old and new covenant thingy... those are old testament laws written to the nation of Israel in that time period. We now live in the new covenant. Something tells me you've heard it explained before though...but we'll play along as long as you keep asking.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
    • Lacking Evidence since 14 Billion BCE

      I though jesus said something about all the old laws still being good. Either way a baby goat cooked in its mothers milk is delicious.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • seriously??

      He said He came to fulfill the law...very different. If the old laws were still good He was in sin because he let his disciples pick corn on the sabbath. Christ was the fulfillment of the law. In other words he kept the law you and I broke every time we lie, steal, blaspheme, look with lust, etc. Then he willingly laid his life down as a sacrifice and offering for our sin. What God commands us to do is repent and trust the Savior instead of trusting in our shiny selves. Read Romans 1-4 for the Cliff notes version of God's plan of redemption. God bless!

      June 21, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
  6. thatrix

    Religion is nothing more than a crutch for the weak minded.

    June 21, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • Michael Alexander

      God has certainly put limits to our intelligence but not on our stupidity...(No pun intended).

      June 21, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
    • LetsThink123

      @Michael Alexander
      which god gave us intelligence, and how do u know it is your god?

      July 12, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
  7. kls817

    Good article. Condemnation of gays is not a theme in the Bible. It seems that the verse that mentions gayness simply reflects Paul's personal bias (and he's human). Did Jesus condemn gays? No.
    Also, we must remember that God gave us a brain to think with, and since gay people cannot help the way that they are, who are we to say that they are doing something wrong.

    June 21, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
  8. Sheila

    "FAITH" is a well manipulated examination of what I call insanity. If you truly believe I believe in leprechauns, you would have to conclude I have a screw loose in that area. It is all myth and the bible has taken it much further. You can no longer justify basing societal rules on this book, we are too far advanced. It has always been a hypocritical book and those contradictions need to be pointed out as long as people try to base laws that I must follow on that book.

    June 21, 2011 at 3:25 pm |
    • 144000Elohim

      You use of the term faith is incorrect. "Faith" is an individuals belief structure, it is what you believe is true. If you are an atheist then your "faith" is in God not existing, it is what you believe. All humanity has individual faith, each person is free to believe what is true and what is false, what is good and what is bad; and that belief structure is called an individual's "faith".

      Even classifying it as "christian faith" would be incorrect, because with 34,000 different groups out there calling themselves "christian" with each disagreement there is a new "faith" to follow. If all christians were of the same "faith" there would not be 34,000 differnet ones out there.

      "one faith (belief structure that is true), one Lord and one baptism."

      What all christian faiths shoud ask themselves is,why are there 34,000 different groups with different beliefs (faiths) all claiming to be of God? Either all are wrong or all are wrong and one is right, but the one answer which is impossible by the word of God is that all are right!

      Food for thought.

      Thank you and have a nice day

      June 21, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
    • LetsThink123

      you said, "If you are an atheist then your "faith" is in God not existing, it is what you believe."
      that doesn't qualify as faith. If i believed in tooth fairies, i have faith that tooth fairies exist. If you don't, then i can't say that u have 'faith' in tooth fairies not existing. It's more correct to say that u have no faith at all in tooth fairies.
      In the same way, it is not part of an athiest's 'faith' that god does not exist, infact it is the absence of faith (no faith at all).

      July 12, 2011 at 4:30 pm |
  9. Alienative

    Jonathan Dudley: Blinded by his own depraved mind.

    June 21, 2011 at 3:25 pm |
    • TommyTT

      Poor Dudley. He actually reads and thinks. How blind of him!

      June 21, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
  10. Paul

    Interesting. Somebody that has a divinity degree may forget the fundamental truth that Jesus spoke of. Love God, love others like yourself. Oh, yeah, and what about no sin being greater then another. We are all sinners. Little things that slip peoples minds.

    June 21, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
    • Yo!

      "Little things that slip peoples minds."

      Not only does it slip their minds but they use it as a way to block the civil rights of others.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • seraphim0

      In what WORLD is that what he did? How did he forget to 'love god and others as himself?" What does that have to do at ALL with the article? Did you just skim the headline and toss up your ill-informed 2 cents?

      June 21, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
    • a wretch like me...

      If a blind man was enjoying an afternoon walk towards a cliff would it be loving to let him plunge to his death or warn him out of concern? I wonder who is really more loving?

      June 21, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
    • Paul

      sorry serap, i must not have been clear enough. I said that, not the author, I said what I did, because this article could be shorter, and people would not be losing civil rights, or getting sassy with others, if they just remembered what Jesus said. I was not meaning to offend. Just stating what I thought was obvious, "let those without sin, cast the 1st stone".

      June 21, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • Paul

      wretch, I understand your point. However, by singling out 1 sin as the almighty sin above all others, and denying civil liberties, because of what people want to do in there homes. I am sure that most of the so called christians have done worse, and i believe it is obvious, when one specific group gets blasted. The author mentioned other items that most christians forget about. Lets all gang up on those sinners and show "them" why "they" are "wrong". Most christians don't even love God before themselves, hmmm, actually, seems like many people don't even like themselves, so how can they love God, and love others, if you can't love yourself. Sorry, I am starting to ramble.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:39 pm |
    • Michael Alexander

      We are all sinners called to repentance. we cannot save ourselves and that's why we are given the Bible which is the will and Testament of the first faith Communities (matthew, mark, Luke, Corinthians)etc. that heard the Word and allowed it to become flesh in them and allowed their disordered lives to be ordered by Jesus Christ. The Church has the right to condemn the actions that she sees going in the wrong directions but always and at all times to do it with love and never to condemn the person but the act. that what Jesus did in his ministry, he redemeed the person but warned them "go and sin no more." Unfortunately, we don't see good examples being set by many of our leaders but, we are called "to do what they say..according to the truth but "not what they do" that is wrong. If the family is destroyed then the Church too will be destroyed. It is out of the families that we get good leaders or bad ones.

      June 21, 2011 at 4:00 pm |
  11. Marcelo - Los Angeles, CA

    His point, which is clearly missed by anyone completely blinded by their belief, is that many times leaders and extremists interpret writings to fit their motives. It's the same way that Muslim extremists twist the Koran to fit and feed their ideological hatred; think about what that means before passing judgment on what is said. He doesn't justify gay marriage, abortion, or anything of the like; he essentially wrote an article on interpretation and motives, not on his beliefs.

    June 21, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
  12. Bryan

    My first comment was blocked because I mentioned ' C.N.N.' and their agenda. What this author and many of us must be careful with is assuming we know everything the Bible says and that because he has a 'theology' degree he is mightier than us. None of the disciples had a Theology degree and they were used to 'write' the Bible. All I can say is be careful about making this about 'you'. God speaks Love and the entire purpose of the Bible is to bring people to 'Christ' and everlasting life. It's not about which sin is worse than the other – because the Bible is clear – they are all the same. The difference is some sins have worse consequences than others.

    I will somewhat agree with the author about Divorce. If the Christian community wants to talk about something, they better get their arms around divorce – because society is throwing marriage and what it means to take it seriously under the bus. If marriage is destroyed, these arguments about gay and any other sin won't matter anymore....unfortunately there are people out there that are trying to destroy it. I've never understood how you can try to change the definition of something to mean something else.

    June 21, 2011 at 3:22 pm |
    • TheyNotHim

      Marriage is about the union of two loving individuals. It has nothing whatsoever to do with your gender. So, the definition is not being changed, we are just trying to give everybody the same fundamental rights. Why is this so difficult for xtians to understand?

      June 21, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
    • Bryan

      Read Ephesians 5:21 and ongoing where it talks about a Man & a woman. You can't recreate the definition and say between two 'loving people' Where does it stop? A father loving his daughter? 4 people loving each other getting married? You can spin it anyway you want to justify gay marriage – but it's not real – I'm sorry.

      June 21, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
    • Michael Alexander

      People are no longer being educated by the Church. They are being educated by the Media. Most marriages takes place in the Town Square/hall or in some botched up place call Church. the Church on a whole has failed. we have too many self appointed pastors and preachers who have done Christianity a dis-service.
      However, the Bible is the Word of God and it must not be used to justify our biases. it must be used to defend the "Truth." Truth is not a thing/lifestyle or a suggestion. Truth is a person and that person is Jesus Christ. too often we terrorise scripture and it looses its salt and taste and this is the result of faithlessness.
      Jesus, condemns actions that are irredeemable but forgives and loves the person. it is in this context that we must call sin–sin. What we tend to do unfortunately is to lump the person and the sin together and creates disorder in such a beautiful world.
      I agree that the author was either dishonest or misguided with his article and used his "theological" understanding or the lack of it thereof to defend his point.

      June 21, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Bryan: How can all sins be equal but some have worse consequences? If they were equal wouldn't they all have the same consequences?
      Also if you don't want a gay marriage, don't have one. No matter what your book says, it is not the arbiter of all truth for everyone no matter how much you want it to be. It has no standing in defining "marriage" according to the law or what the law says regarding the civil rights of gay people. I hope you understand this.

      June 22, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
  13. Gary

    Its amazing what people will say and do to try to justify their sin.

    June 21, 2011 at 3:22 pm |
    • Jamie

      It is amazing what people will ignore and embellish to justify their bigotry.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:25 pm |
    • what?!

      It is amazing what people will waste their time writing on a comments section of a religious blog on CNN. Why do anti-gay people spend their time writing their junk online? If they're not gay ... why do they care? Why are they taking time out of their day to hate on someone else?


      June 21, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
  14. bob

    Yale Divinity School has destroyed yet another young man's faith in scripture. Why don't they change their name to Yale School of Deicide. Now that would be honest.

    June 21, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
    • seraphim0

      How, Exactly, has his faith been destroyed? He's pointing out the glaring inconsistencies with hardline christians and the actual words in the bible. He seems to have faith... but not in the lies and ways people bend scripture to suit their own ends.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • another silly Christian

      God wants people to decide! DECISIONS are good! Why in the world are you condemning a man who looked toward God and found truth?

      The man who wrote this article seems to be much closer to God than the haters who are wasting their time on here. If God liked the haters more ... then why'd he give the author of this article the window of opportunity to share his enlightenment with the world?

      God is smarter than the haters!

      June 21, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
    • TommyTT

      No, Dudley is really reading Scripture.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
  15. Eric R.

    If you want to know God's stance on gay relationships, pick up his word and read it. Jesus himself said that if you seek the truth, you will find it. God, himself, has shown me that he is real. For those seeking God, he will reveal himself to you in his own time and unique way(because of the personal relationship that he wants with each of us)....but he is not interested in performing open parlor tricks for us due to our nature. The entire nation of Israel laid witness to what Jesus could do and yet they still refused to acknowledge him as God's son. God loves each and every one of us.....Jesus completed his task of building a bridge between us and God. He paid our debt to God. It's a gift, do please accept it with open arms as he accepts you. I pray that peace will be with each and every one of you always.

    June 21, 2011 at 3:19 pm |
    • huh?

      The author of this article DID find truth while looking toward God.

      You're just not accepting the truth because it doesn't fit in your narrow world view!

      Gay = OK!

      June 21, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
  16. Alex in NJ

    Why I don't understand is why it's not okay to say hateful things about gay people but it's fine to say hateful things about Christians. I have no problem with gay people I support gay marriage and gay adoption and i am not Christian. But I can still spot the hypocrisy.

    June 21, 2011 at 3:19 pm |
    • cyberCMDR

      It's because gay people don't consider it their holy mission to make you gay, or try to impose changes in school curricula to redefine science regarding being gay. Gay people don't judge others as morally inferior because they don't belong to the club. Finally, gay people don't try to create believers to donate their hard earned money, because the end of the world is coming or they need to spread the word.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:34 pm |
    • Lacking Evidence since 14 Billion BCE

      I don't dislike most Christians as people, there are a lot of nice Christians out there, and they are that way is because they do pick and choose because they have their own human morality which overrides and compartmentalizes the wrongs in the bible. What I don't like is people walking around believing something that just isn't true.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:38 pm |
    • fuyuko

      I don't think there is anything wrong with criticizing the religion of Christianity any more than there is anything wrong to criticize the religion of Islam, or Bruno the volcano god. A religion is not a person, and if a person cites their religious belief as a reason someone is evil, going to hell or otherwise a lesser status person, those thoughts should not be unchallenged.

      June 21, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Alex in NJ: Neither is right. No one should be saying "hateful" things about anyone. But we must acknowledge that criticism of a person's stance, religious or not, is not necessarily saying "hateful" things. Some Christians really need to learn to accept criticism of their views and not jump on the bandwagon that they are being persecuted or on the receiving end of anti-Christian bigotry simply because someone diagrees with them. This knee jerk reaction is petty, childish, and ent!tled. And it makes other Christians look bad by association.

      June 22, 2011 at 4:40 pm |
  17. Bookdoctor

    I'd bet that all of those who really claim to "know" their Bible in these comments have never ever read any part of it in its original languages – Hebrew and Greek. How can one claim to really understand something when only reading it in translation? The phrase "something is lost in the translation" is exactly to the point. After learning Hebrew, Greek, Latin, and 5 modern languages, anyone who tells me that they "know" something about writing from another culture, but only in translation, is fooling themself and comes across like an idiot.

    June 21, 2011 at 3:19 pm |
    • 144000Elohim

      Although you tone is a bit posh, your point is actually EXTREAMLY valid! With out reading the Bible in is original languages (or at least using a concordance) Hebrew and Greek, they have not read the Bible. The first point to this statement is found in the first 2 sentances of Genesis!

      In English translation
      "In the beging God created the heaven and the Earth. And the Earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon theface of the waters. And God said let there be light..."

      In Hebrew concordance
      "In a begining (of an age) God created the heaven (3rd heaven= outer space, planets, stars, galaxies etc.) and Earth. And overtime the Earth was made desolate and full of Chaos so that no light could reach it's surface. And then (after these things) the Spirit of God focused upon the face of the waters. And God said let there be light..."

      You see in the first version you get millions of "christians" claiming that the Earth is only 6000 years old, which causes all physical scientists to exclaim "these christians have no idea what they are talking about, we know the Earth is many times older then that" because they do not understand the Hebrew used in forming these words. In reality the Hebrew says that a distance of time is present between verse 1 and verse 3 a distance of several millions perhaps even billions of years, between when the universe was created by God and the RE-FASHIONING of the Earth by God. This re-fashioning was done to make it suitable to support human life after the descrution of the Earth occured as a result of Lucifer's war on God with 1/3 of the angels under his command, this re-fashioning was accomplished in one week. The universe was created long before the Earth was fashioned into the planet were mankind would exist. And to your point, just understanding the words used to write the book can make all the difference between an appearent contradiction and total unity between science and God or any other disagreement between two seemingly opposite beliefs and the truth found in the word of God.

      Thank you and have a nice day.

      June 21, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
    • Ok

      "reality the Hebrew says that a distance of time is present between verse 1 and verse 3 a distance of several millions perhaps even billions of years, between when the universe was created by God and the RE-FASHIONING of the Earth by God."

      Prove it.

      June 21, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
    • LetsThink123

      u said, "In a begining (of an age) God created the heaven (3rd heaven= outer space, planets, stars, galaxies etc.) and Earth. And overtime the Earth was made desolate and full of Chaos so that no light could reach it's surface. And then (after these things) the Spirit of God focused upon the face of the waters. And God said let there be light..."
      It only says heaven... that's it. If u read that same passage 1500 yrs ago, u would not have mentioned the 3rd heaven being galaxies,planets. U know about galaxies and other planets now through science. u would have also thought that the world is flat because the bible only mentions things that man at that time knew. I find that strange! don't u? THe hebrew bible, or any other holy book on earth, DOES NOT mention anything about the universe that was found through the hard work of science.
      I ask you this question, how come the gods of virtually all religions in the world including christianity in their creation stories, only created things that people at that time knew existed (such as the earth, stars, sun, moon) and not about the other planets, solar system, other solar systems, and other galaxies etc...? The knowledge of the gods when it came to the universe was limited to the knowledge of the men who lived at that time. Hmmm.......could these gods be man-made?
      Think about that...
      and remember that you cannot use 'God created the heavens' statement as a blanket statement to cover everything about the universe such as galaxies etc... that the hebrew bible did not specifically mention.

      July 14, 2011 at 2:12 pm |
  18. gays are awesome!

    Gay people are awesome.

    The LGBT community is full of wonderful, loving and caring people! They are diverse as any other community on earth.

    Gay people are great!

    June 21, 2011 at 3:18 pm |
    • StraitAsAnArrow

      I'm as straight as a man can get, but I agree: GLBT people are some of the most wonderful and caring people on earth. My wife and I recently went through some health problems, and they turned out in droves to help us, cook for us, visit us in the hospital and our home, and just be there when we needed someone. It breaks my heart to see what they have to go through sometimes just to be considered part of society.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:34 pm |
    • Lacking Evidence since 14 Billion BCE

      All our gay friends are awesome too. One is a Christian (i'm not sure how that works, kinda like a black mormon i guess).

      June 21, 2011 at 3:52 pm |
    • John Richardson

      My best friend is a lesbian. I've become friends with many other gays and lesbians in her sphere and had several gay and lesbian acquaintances in college and grad school. I'd have to agree that on balance, they seem if anything several cuts ABOVE the norm re compassion and basic decency and civility. I'm involved in animal rescue. Gays and especially lesbians are common amongst rescuers and lots of rescuers report finding many of their very best animal adopters among gays and lesbians. It's not as though I've never met or heard of any gay or lesbian jerks. They too exist. But if you bother to get to know the community at all, you will find a very warm and welcoming group of people. That such people have suffered so horribly in the name of se-xual "propriety" is a genuine scandal.

      June 21, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
  19. Mike

    There is not one analogy used more frequently throughout the whole of the BIble to describe God's love for us than the love between a man and woman in marriage. If you cannot understand the complimentarity of the genders in the order of creation, you're not going to fully understand God's love.

    Four words: Theology of the Body. If you're honestly and genuinely interested in why the Church defends marriage you have to read it. It is perhaps the most profound and thorough explanation.

    June 21, 2011 at 3:15 pm |
    • what?!

      Because a schlong can go in a v-hole God believes in the superiority of straight intercourse? Are you serious?

      My laptop plug in goes into the electrical socket in the wall ... but my iPhone charges wirelessly on a pad ... so does God love my laptop more than my iPhone? Surely both magical devices were divinely inspired by his loving hand 🙂

      $exual compatibility is a weird and silly argument. Gay $ex is just as compatible and loved by God as straight $ex.

      You are SERIOUSLY stretching the Bible and God here to make a pointless argument.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
    • Mike

      As I said, if you're genuinely interested please read it.

      On the other hand, if you're content with disregarding opinions that may challenge you by setting up straw-men of others' arguments, that's your prerogative.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
    • TheyNotHim

      Hey Mike, as soon as you can make an argument for denying people their basic human rights without using the bible or an offshoot thereof, then people might actually listen to you. I can quote "Little Red Riding Hood" to illustrate why young girls should not walk alone in the woods, but it would not be a valid source, despite my honest opinion that the story actually happened. Now, what if I interpreted that story to mean that all young girls should be denied the fundamental right to walk alone in the woods if they so choose? At that point, I am harming my fellow man and taking away their rights. This would make me a pariah.

      Do you want to be a Pariah? It might be too late...

      June 21, 2011 at 3:51 pm |
    • fuyuko

      God made gays, and genders, and the spectrum of human s.exuality. Our reproductivel organs are meant for pleasure as well as simple reproduction.

      June 21, 2011 at 4:23 pm |
  20. us1776

    Ah yes, the bible.

    Dedicated to mythical being that can be blamed for everything and allowing people to escape any personal responsibility.

    A book of a thousand contradictions. Where you can find support for virtually any perspective on any issue.

    Ah yes, the bible.


    June 21, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
    • Alienative

      A thousand contradictions, uh? I bet you can also list them!

      June 21, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
    • Lacking Evidence since 14 Billion BCE

      Yes the big book of multiple choice. Where a being had to knock up a chick to give birth to himself, to sacrifice himself to himself to forgive the breaking of rules he set for creatures he created. I didn't think a perfect god could make imperfect creatures. It would have just been easier to have created perfect creatures then we wouldn't have all these problems.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
    • Lacking Evidence since 14 Billion BCE

      Here's at least 400 hundred of them. Each line on the graph is linking two contradiction. http://www.project-reason.org/bibleContra_big.pdf

      June 21, 2011 at 3:25 pm |
    • word4truth

      If this is all a fairy tale then why comment at all?

      June 21, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
    • Yo!

      "If this is all a fairy tale then why comment at all?"

      Because some people believe it and use it to justify their prejudice and block the civil rights of others.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
    • LION

      @Lacking Evidence since 14 Billion BCE
      When you do not believe in something it is only normal for you to criticize that think and say all kind of nonsense against it. That doesn't make you right or wrong, it only shows you do not believe in it.

      Jude 1:18 They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires."
      1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons

      Humans are creatures of faith every body believes in something. Atheist believe in something. They believe in their reason and their atheistic logic. They believe that they should be led by Logic. How can atheist say that we are wrong to believe when they themselves are just like us believer. Every one is a believer in something

      June 21, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
    • Lacking Evidence since 14 Billion BCE

      I comment because, as said, people use it has justification to interfere with other people's lives.

      Jude 1:18 They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires."
      1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons

      A little self-fulfilling don't you think? Also are you saying that atheism is the logical choice? Because I agree with that.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
    • LION

      Lacking Evidence since 14 Billion BCE

      What Logic are you talking about, your logic, or the logic of the US who found reason to attack Lybia and lets Syria go free which is guilty of worst crimes. The Logic that led you former president which by the way was elected twice to invade another country on the basis of a lie. The logic of western bias culture? of American up bringing? What logic shall we stand by. The Chinese Logic? The indian Logic, the arabic logic.
      There is some logic in God, some mystery some unexplained stuff, some reasoning, which sounds a bit like my daily life. Somethings I do following some logic, others out of a hunch, and yet others I cant explain why I do them like that.

      My life is not led by logic, Its led by a bit of every thing, and that's God.

      June 21, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • Frogist

      @LION: I think you got a lot of things really confused: logic vs belief. Atheists vs Americans. Politics vs religion. You are genuinely all over the place and very hard to follow.

      June 22, 2011 at 4:53 pm |
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