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Michele Bachmann, evangelical feminist?
June 27th, 2011
06:09 PM ET

Michele Bachmann, evangelical feminist?

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - If Hillary Clinton, the woman who came closest to becoming a major party presidential nominee, is a feminist icon, could something similar be said of Michele Bachmann, who officially launched her presidential campaign on Monday?

Bachmann is seldom described in those terms; the conservative Minnesota congresswoman and Tea Party darling might cringe at the feminist label.

But some religion and politics experts say that she exemplifies an evangelical feminism that is producing more female leaders in Christian nonprofits, businesses, and education and politics, even as more traditional gender roles prevail in evangelical homes and churches.

“It’s not that evangelical feminism is entirely new,” says R. Marie Griffith, director of the John C. Danforth Center on Religion & Politics at Washington University in St. Louis. “But this lack of fear going into top positions of power is new and astonishing and exciting for this segment of the population.”

Though evangelical women have long been involved in political activism, including helping to lead the temperance movement and campaigning for and against women's right to vote, seeking the White House is a more recent and dramatic step.

“It’s a trend that was started by Sarah Palin,” Griffith said, referring to the former Alaska governor, who was the Republican vice presidential nominee in 2008.

D. Michael Lindsay, a scholar who has studied evangelical leaders, says that evangelical feminism largely followed the trend in secular feminism, even if it was delayed by a decade or so.

“Evangelicals are not traditionally the innovators in gender roles, so they’re not going to be at the vanguard,” says Lindsay, who was recently appointed president at Gordon College and who wrote the book Faith in the Halls of Power. “But they also don’t trail too far behind.”

Lindsay says that evangelical feminism took off in the 1980s, pointing to Ronald Reagan tapping Elizabeth Dole, a Christian with strong connections in the evangelical world, to be his secretary of transportation as one example.

George W. Bush, meanwhile, appointed evangelical women to top roles in his presidential administration, including Karen Hughes as a top adviser and Condoleezza Rice as secretary of state.

At the same time, there are distinctions between evangelical and secular feminism. Many female evangelical leaders, for instance, talk of being called by God to pursue professional careers.

“This idea of women being out in the world when they’re doing God’s work – that’s the key,” says Griffith, who is author of God's Daughters: Evangelical Women and the Power of Submission. “You have to be called.”

Bachmann, an evangelical Lutheran, has talked of being called to run for president.

“When I pray, I pray believing that God will speak to me and give me an answer to that prayer, and so that’s what a calling is,” she told CBS News on Sunday, explaining that she had prayed about her decision to seek the presidency. “If I pray, a calling means that I have a sense from God which direction I’m supposed to go.”

Another difference between some evangelical and secular feminists is a public emphasis on motherhood. Bachmann’s political identity is constructed largely around her role as a mother of five kids and her experience of taking in 23 foster children.

Palin, who was raised in the Pentecostal tradition, has also emphasized her role as mother, frequently discussing her children and famously using the term “mama grizzlies” to describe female political candidates for whom she campaigns.

Lindsay says that the motherhood angle could be refreshing to evangelical voters, who constitute a majority of the Republican electorate in early states like Iowa and South Carolina.

“A lot of male evangelical politicians have trumpeted family values, but we’ve seen time after time how many break their marriage vows and have tense relationships with their kids,” he says.

“When you’re the mother of four or five kids up there talking about how their commitment to politics stems from your commitment to kids, which is true for both Palin and Bachmann, that resonates with people who are skeptical of American politics.”

The emphasis that some women evangelical leaders place on motherhood appears to be connected to women taking on more prominent roles in the antiabortion movement, which is closely tied to the evangelical subculture.

“There were a lot of women who were representing the old guard abortion center feminism and there were very few pro-life women who were credentialed in state legislatures and running at the federal level,” says Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the antiabortion group Susan B. Anthony List, describing the organization’s founding 20 years ago.

Dannenfelser’s group works to elect women candidates who oppose abortion rights, raising roughly $11 million in the 2010 election cycle.

“The constant line from Jane Fonda and Barbara Boxer on abortion was ‘You can’t possibly know how a woman feels - how dare you speak on an issue you have no knowledge of,'” says Dannenfelser, referring to the pro-abortion rights actress and U.S. senator.

“Now we have women communicating the truth of the matter, which is that abortion is really destroying a lot of women,” she says.

Though Bachmann is widely considered to be a long shot for the GOP nomination, a weekend poll from The Des Moines Register had her running second only to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney among likely Republican caucus-goers, with 22% support.

Even as more evangelical women pursue top jobs in politics, there is little sign that they will be invited into similar roles in evangelical churches, which continue to be led by men, with some exceptions. Some evangelical denominations, including Southern Baptists, have recently moved to put more restrictions on women serving as pastors.

“It seems to me that most evangelical congregations make a sharp divide between the sacred and secular realms,” says Lindsay, “so that church is the last context where you’ll see women in ordained roles.”

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soundoff (3,401 Responses)
  1. Dave

    Faith is convincing yourself something is true when you know it isn't so.
    I get very nervous when someone says they discussed an important question with God and he told them what to do. It makes me think they are delusional. Michele Bachmann wants to teach Creationism in public schools, she believes the Earth is 6000-10000 years old, no such thing as Evolution, and Global Warming is a hoax. She will set this country back 300 years in basic science. She will be a disaster.

    June 27, 2011 at 7:39 pm |
    • Dreamer

      As opposed to someone who thinks they're the end-all be-all, and doesn't have the humility to realize the job is bigger than they are.

      June 28, 2011 at 12:28 am |
    • fred

      Global warming ? What ! The earh has been getting warmer for 10,000 years, long before man was noticable. Only 5% of the Co2 is caused by man yet big bad oil is to blame. You belong to the Al Gore religion hook line and sinker. How is it you cannot see the truth is such a small thing as Global Warming. Perhaps you could run for vice president on her ticket

      June 28, 2011 at 1:28 am |
    • fred

      In case you have not heard evolution is a theory not a fact. God could have used any means he wanted to develop the species and evolution if it pans out sounds like a good mechanism. What’s your beef with creationism?

      June 28, 2011 at 1:36 am |
    • HotAirAce

      @fred

      By your apparent understanding of what a theory is, religion is a theory not a fact. But if you were to discover the meaning of theory, as it applies to science, you would discover that all theories are not created equal, and that evolution is much better supported by evidence and applicability than religion.

      With respect to global warming, it's better to think in terms of manmade climate and environmental change. I believe that man's negative effect on climate and the environment is indisputable.

      June 28, 2011 at 1:51 am |
    • email

      the only reason evolution is still just a theory is because of people with more power like you that are religious that can't accept the truth. god does not do anything, you do. you make your decisions, you stab somebody, you pull the trigger. it's not god or the devil, it's man. man is capable of inexplicable violence as evidenced by history, like the crusades. we're not in 4 wars for the betterment of the country, we're in 4 wars because our leaders think god wanted them to invade countries we have no business being in. maybe if we stopped helping these dictators get into power, they wouldn't cause a problem later on. The U.S. is the cause of many major problems in the world. why don't we stop fighting wars, feeding other country's poor etc. and focus on the millions of homeless we have here. and because the government is BFFs with all the rich people, nobody else can get rich unless you invent facebook or lie, cheat and steal your way there as most of these people have done.

      June 28, 2011 at 11:15 am |
    • George Marshall

      The modern Theory of Evolution is supported by every branch of science. There are restrictions on what can be considered a theory. There are no restrictions on beliefs. The creation myth is a narrative based solely on belief. There is no scientific evidence to support it.

      June 28, 2011 at 11:46 am |
    • SgtSerge

      @Fred
      You sir are full of crap.

      The earth has not been getting warmer for 10,000 year...... We had a Midevil warm period and a mini ice age that ended in the 1700's. The earth tempature has NOT been going up for 10,000 years, thatis just a flat out lie.

      June 28, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
    • Open minded

      @George Marshall
      you cannot say that creationism is not based on science. That is a lie. If you really want to agrue this point at any time to anybody then you need to know the facts on both sides so you have knowledge about what you are arguing about. I suggest that you look up creation vs evolution or evolution vs creation on google video and watch some of the video's there and the facts presented to you. I will tell you that the creationists are scientists and look at the creation theory from that view point just as the evolutionist scientists look at the evolution theory on their view point. Try getting all of the facts before you speak, otherwise it makes you look ignorant.

      June 28, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
    • Steve

      @Openminded: Please provide scientific evidence of creationism. One or two points, at least. That's the best way to prove your argument—with proof. Otherwise, it's just verbal diarrhea.

      June 28, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
    • tuffgong71

      Open minded, you have the nerve to tell someone to look up creatists science and get educated before commenting? Science is performed with an open mind and no pre-conceived concept. Science is not starting with an idea (in this case God/creationism) then setting out to prove it right. Scientists gather information, prove facts, and then extrapolate a theory based on the facts that exist. There is not one, NOT ONE credible scientist (key words: credible scientist) who believs in creationism. If you want to talk about the moment life started, I can try to get spiritual with you but if you deny the fact of evolution you are a fool and pretending you are educated and informed is a fraud. Look it up http://www.talkorigins.org/

      June 28, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
    • MrHanson

      My reply was meant for Tufgong71

      June 28, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
    • tuffgong71

      I don't see your reply, MrHanson but I eagerly await it. Computers are hard!

      June 28, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
  2. Seeya Tomara

    Don't let your liberal views get in the way of the truth CNN. To Say the Michelle Bachman said John Wayne the actor was born in Iowa is the truth. To say she probably meant John Wayne Gasey the murderer (Illinois), is a slanderous stretch even for you guys.
    Bachman deserves and must get a retraction and an apology from you on air to correcting you terrible mistake.

    June 27, 2011 at 7:36 pm |
    • BoDacious01

      only when she apologizes about her believes in creationism (no scientific foundation for this) and that the earth is only 6000 yrs old (no scientific foundation for this)....

      June 27, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
    • parjda

      You've missed the point Michelle Bachmann was saying John Wayne was born in Waterloo, Iowa like her. He was from Iowa, but not Waterloo. John Wayne Gacy was born in Waterloo, Iowa. Check your facts.

      June 27, 2011 at 9:22 pm |
    • David

      The problem is that she stated John wayne was born in her town and state that to be the truth.. You need to get your fact straight.. She made her own mess and that is CNN? She made ridiculous and false statements that even Fox disputed with her.. I think you are delusional and seem to think the media is bias.. Fox is bias and they were on the same bandwagon...

      June 27, 2011 at 10:21 pm |
    • Lena

      She said that John Wayne was from her hometown of Waterloo. He wasn't–that was John Wayne Gacy. I don't think her GOP challengers really have anything to worry about.

      June 27, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
    • Bernie

      I don't think where John Wayne was born is as scary as she thought New Hampshire Lexington was where the American Revolutions began. Yikes

      June 28, 2011 at 8:51 am |
    • brian

      Of course Obama never makes any mistakes when he speaks. Maybe Cnn should ask him if he still thing we have 57 states.

      June 28, 2011 at 11:06 am |
    • tuffgong71

      Facts are foreign to evangelicals. If it is not in the bible, it does not matter.

      June 28, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Seeya Tomara:
      This article had no mention of her gaffe about John Wayne (Gacy). Maybe you meant to comment on another article? Or maybe you just enjoy playing the victim over irrelevant issues so you can blame others unreasonably?

      June 28, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
  3. Shel

    Barf.

    June 27, 2011 at 7:31 pm |
  4. qazar

    Using the bible to prove that jesus is the son of god is like pointing to a comic book and suggesting spiderman is real. Anyone who holds that there religion is the true religion because their book says so are idiots. If you believe in a god so be it, but dont use stupid reasons to try and convert someone. Better yet dont try to convert anyone at all.

    June 27, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
    • JesusisLord

      You'll wish you paid heed to that "comic book" when you stand before God almighty.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
    • Walker

      It'll never happen. There is a myth called "God" and it's got you fooled.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • BoDacious01

      God and I are cool.....we hung out at a BBQ last month. He told me he is tired of these religous zealouts using him.... Oh, and not to worry Christians I am saved!

      June 27, 2011 at 7:48 pm |
    • N

      BoDacious1, are your sure that it was God you were talking to? Did he promise you a nice, warm room in a place down under?

      June 27, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
    • paraboloid

      It's more likely you'll wish you had spent more time reading awesome comic books when you die alone.

      June 27, 2011 at 8:37 pm |
    • dual

      They are both comic books, it is just which one makes you laugh more.

      June 28, 2011 at 12:35 am |
    • Bibletruth

      Qazar, it is precisely the book that proves that the Christian God is the true God....in order to expand your thinking on this, name the one thing that all peoples of all cultures of all times, will agree on as the ultimate evidence of the true God [keeping in mind that there must always be a faith level because God is all powerful , has all knowledge, all wisdom, is everywhere (not in a pantheistic sense) ] that the true God can give. When you have discerned that, follow on. Those who argue against God are doing it out of ignorance (not malice I hope because to go there is indeed exceedingly dangerous). To everyone that feels that the idea of God is ridiculous or for some reason you dislike God even though you may beleive in God (or a god) keep a place in your mind open as you go. Look for truth . Dont put up such a barrier that it is impossible to penetrate...in other words never allow yourself to become truly rebellious, which is incorriegable.

      June 28, 2011 at 1:07 am |
    • Kathleen

      Excellent point, but remember, you're talking to religious folks. They don't understand logic or reason. Now, if you can attach your thoughts to an ancient tribe of dirt farmers in the Middle East 2000 years ago, the Christians will eagerly swallow it.

      June 28, 2011 at 2:25 am |
    • marcus

      I have ture faith for God and that will never change One day you are going to die and no longer exist before i believe anything you say i rather believe in what the Bible says

      June 28, 2011 at 3:47 am |
  5. Sam Houston

    John 6:15; 18:36

    June 27, 2011 at 7:29 pm |
    • JesusisLord

      Agreed. Christians who expect government to fulfill the churches' role will forever be disappointed.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:33 pm |
    • gozer

      Yeah, JIL, the law prevents or at least discourages government from pushing the same BS that churches spew.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
  6. SCOTO

    Who is promoting these dolts? I dont know anybody who thinks this woman is anything but a wing nut. Surely not all the crazies who support this idiot are in Minnesota. Where are all these people ?

    June 27, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
    • gozer

      You won't see them much because they spend so much time on the couch watching Faux.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
  7. Nacho1

    I don't care if she is a middle of the roader hockey player....................sign her up.......we need the change!

    June 27, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
    • pockets

      Frightening very very frightening, I'm hoping that science will "somehow" be able to prove that this invisible diety is a myth strung along by the igonorant preachers who are making a big buck from all the suckers out there. Its beyond the pale that these people actually are allowed to breed. Eddie Long and Jimmy Swaggert and all of them should be in prison and locked away, the same as Warren Jeff, who take young girls and molest them and marry them off to old men.....sickening.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
  8. ladiesbane

    It's hard to make a case for feminism when Bachmann's popularity with the right is due to her looks. Her academic credentials are dubious, she is phenomenally bad at math, she is verbally inept, and she is so ignorant of hard science that she thinks Creationism should be taught in schools. Even the Right who don't consider those traits to be a deal breakers should ask themselves how far she'd have gotten in the polls if she looked like Phyllis Schlafly. The Right prefers its women to be pretty, devout, self-righteous, and stupid.

    June 27, 2011 at 7:25 pm |
    • Jesus

      How can anyone be an evangelical feminist? The fundamentalist viewpoint limits the woman's role in society to the way it was in the 1st century. It is contrary to feminism. It's kind of like describing me as a God fearing atheist.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
    • shinden58

      Thank you for your post. I couldn't have said it better. This woman thinks the world is less than 9000 years old. What an uneducated piece of tripe. Her vision of the world is so narrow. I pity the US if she is ever elected President. The only people she can appeal to are the uneducated sheeple.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
    • N

      Pretty and smart is certainly better than ugly and stupid. Do you look like Phyllis? I sense some deep-seeded bitterness in your tone.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
    • gozer

      N, yeah, but Bachmann is demonstrably stupid and deluded. And don't look at her face closely. Botox doesn't create a nice texture.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • N

      Gozer, you just ruined it for me. Does Palin use botox too?

      June 27, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
    • Bibletruth

      lol....actually she is quite accomplished, which surprised me to learn..lol...

      June 28, 2011 at 1:12 am |
    • Aine57

      Like it or not, Phyllis Shlafly is bright. She's also an antiferminist woman (?) and an antigay mother of a gay son (?). Bright is really not enough.

      June 28, 2011 at 5:22 am |
    • Nancy

      Maybe you lefties should take a look at Pelosi's face before you make any comment....

      June 28, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
    • Frogist

      @ladiesbane: That is exactly right. Both Palin and Bachmann (Palin 2.0) are wholeheartedly touted by the right precisely because she is a pretty female face to put on their anti-female agenda. Not to mention playing up the motherhood part of her life. It's the same old stereotype. Be a mother and pretty and spread the male point of view that women cannot make their own decisions. There's nothing feminist about that. She's a beard! Essentially. Feminist is not a matter of how far up a person goes but how much a person seeks rights for women and men equally.

      June 28, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
  9. maxdenn

    Christianity, for me at least is all about the "Golden Rule". I have a notion that Mrs. Bachmann and the Tea Party do not have much in common with the golden rule.

    June 27, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
    • JesusisLord

      Do you believe in the Resurrection?

      June 27, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
    • gozer

      Note that the origins of the Golden Rule pre-date Christianity by many centuries, and many of the behavior dictates of the bible such as casting out of various folk, as well as Christian god's apparent own extreme cruelty such as wiping out whole civilizations point against it. Take your pick: a reasoned, reasonable morality, or Christianity.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
    • gozer

      PS Bachmann is an embarrassment to America. In the face of all the extreme weather we've been getting, and all the supporting science for man-caused climate change, she claims climate change is a hoax.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
    • N

      Gozer, if you truly believe that a one degree change in the the earth's surface over a 50 year period can account for domestic flooding, your understanding of science (or lack thereof) is on public display. Go join the deluded masses of liberals and have a good cry over a sip of your favorite soy latte.

      June 27, 2011 at 8:17 pm |
    • Taiping

      As to climate change, warm air can hold more moisture than cold air. And air with more moisture has more mass.
      More mass means stronger winds. Stronger winds means different dynamics in the airflow patterns, different weather patterns, and different feedback loops regarding our biosphere and all living things subject to atmospheric events.
      Gobal warming might swing right back after a time, but so could any longer trend. It exists as a data set, not as an ideology, and that's why it's so crazy to be against it.
      Why oppose a data set that's been independently verified all over the world by real scientists who had no mutual agenda beyond seeking accurate information?
      I'll tell you why, it's because the rabid free-market PACs have plenty of money to bribe politicians and pay for people to hold up signs, while the scientific community is busy doing science. Might does not make right.

      June 27, 2011 at 9:58 pm |
    • N

      Taiping, thanks for your thoughtful scientific explanation of global warming. Did you cut and past that off of wikipedia?

      June 28, 2011 at 11:29 am |
    • Vigla

      @ N

      Cut and paste or no, it's still a valid point that you cannot refute. Hence your dumb response. See, when a person is confronted with facts that go against their beliefs, they lash out and try to find some other delusion to support their beliefs. You, unfortunately, are one of them. You have my pity...

      June 28, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
    • Sue

      JesusisLord-You should read Matthew 25. The only people Jesus says he will cast out into the darkness are the "goats." Those that say they love him but don't help the poor, widowed, orphaned, the sick or the poisoned. Yep, this is the same woman that believes when you help poor people you're a communist. The same party that believes in the death penalty. The same party that wants to take away insurance from uninsured adults & children. The same party that wants to punish the poor because they're poor. NO her politics don't favor the golden rule. In fact the tea party people would love to isolate them, get them out of America, or punish them. Read what Jesus actually said not what you only hear from the pulpit. Don't be a goat.

      June 28, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
    • N

      Sue,

      There's a difference between helping those in need and creating a social structure that rewards apathy, and penalizes ingenuity. Afterall, you may also be aware of 2 Thess. 3:10 which reads, "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."

      June 28, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • Frogist

      @N: Are these the "leeches and bottom feeders" you refer to in your post further down? Funny you should talk about apathy, since you seem to have no empathy just like the rest of your kind you want to repackage greed as a form of social justice. But you just can't hide the ugliness and prejudice of your stance no matter how hard you try. I doubt Jesus would have been supportive of your position.

      June 28, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
    • N

      Vigla,

      I'm so sorry. You're pity does indeed mean the world to me. I think that I'll leave this forum and buy a Prius. Meanwhile the temperature of the earth's surface continues to rise. Such an "inconvenient truth". We are all doomed, boo hoo. Good news is that natural selection will weed out the feeble minded among us.

      June 28, 2011 at 4:39 pm |
    • Taiping

      I didn't cut and paste a damn thing. That was all me.
      I happen to be intelligent and rational. That's all it takes to write something like that.
      I can do it all day long, too.

      June 29, 2011 at 6:54 am |
  10. AEukaryote

    “If I pray, a calling means that I have a sense from God which direction I’m supposed to go.” Common guys, do we really want somebody who depends on a make-believe, bearded, anthropomorphic man in sky to guide her decision making process to hold the top executive position in our government? Scary.

    June 27, 2011 at 7:23 pm |
    • Pablo Pena

      You mean like John F. Kennedy?

      June 27, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
    • JesusisLord

      He shows Himself to some, hides Himself from others, apparently.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:29 pm |
    • Bibletruth

      lol.....based on actual proposals made by many politicians, that source of inspiration might be a very reasonable alternative..lol

      June 28, 2011 at 1:15 am |
  11. David B (Oxnard, CA)

    Top 5 Reasons the Bachmann’s had 23 Foster Children.

    5. Although getting farm subsidies is nice, children subsidies make it extra special.
    4. No need to hire farm workers, house workers, yard workers..well anyone actually.
    3. Octo-Mom was just getting too much attention and the Bachmann’s weren’t having that.
    2. Still working on that new TV Show “28 is enough”.
    And the number one reason why the Bachmann’s had 23 foster children is because Michelle learned the hard way after having 5 kids, you can’t cure a gay husband, who just won’t give you anymore

    June 27, 2011 at 7:21 pm |
    • JesusisLord

      Jesus said you'll be held accountable for your every idle word.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
    • RayJacksonMS

      Yeah well I say jesus is going to be held accountable for all the hate and war mongering of his followers.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:32 pm |
    • N

      David B = The retard from Oxnard.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:32 pm |
    • News Flash

      Speaking of the husband, anyone know what he does for a living ?
      He runs a camp to "cure" gays. OMG

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/16/michele-bachmann-s-first-dude-husband-marcus-bachmann.html

      June 27, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • N

      There's a cure for gay kids?! Does it come in pill form? Quick, somebody let Perez Hilton know. I've been dying to straighten that guy out for years. No pun intended.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
    • Margaret

      Seems a little cruel. I hope for the sake of those kids she was a kind person.

      June 27, 2011 at 8:45 pm |
    • SirThomas

      Oh.. this is GREAT David B!! Just what we needed. JesusIsLord... you better shut up then. He said to tell you he would prefer you didn't spew this crap in his name. He'll speak for himself.. thank you.

      June 27, 2011 at 11:56 pm |
  12. George

    More skin, show more skin, then I'll vote for you Michele. You're hotter than Sarah Palin and you know it baby. Get rid of some of that fabric though. You dress like you are still in Minnesota.

    June 27, 2011 at 7:19 pm |
    • gozer

      It would be the only reason to vote for her. (Not sayin it's a good or valid one.)

      June 27, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
  13. Seeya Tomara

    Tell that woman who knows so much that John Wayne the actor was Born in Iowa. Winterset, Iowa. God what bad knock. His name was Morrison then. Fact Check Dummies! Clean up your dubious comments. How Blatant a liberal lie. Bachman should be furious. I know I am.

    June 27, 2011 at 7:18 pm |
  14. bigfoot

    If this woman becomes president, we are ALL in trouble.

    June 27, 2011 at 7:16 pm |
    • pockets

      Her and palin are the 'answer' to President Obama, I don't thinkkkkkkkkkkkkk so.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:31 pm |
    • N

      No bigfoot, only the leeches and bottom feeders are in trouble. If you are a hard-working, tax-paying, law-abiding citizen you will be just fine. If not, you lose your meal ticket buddy.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:37 pm |
    • buhdunkadunk

      yea, thank 'insert diety here or not' that Obama is president, right?? hahahahahahahah

      June 27, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • Bibletruth

      lol...like we are not in trouble now?..lol

      June 28, 2011 at 1:17 am |
    • Vigla

      @ N... Leaches and bottom feeders...that's what you call those folks who lost their jobs under Bush, right? Your arrogance to those in need is astounding. Hearltess is the best word to describe the likes of you.

      June 28, 2011 at 12:53 pm |
  15. Truth in your Face

    Once again, another politician using their "religion" to gain certain votes. Religion isn't going to help our economy. Religion isn't going to help the mideast. Religion isn't going to help our natural disasters. Religion sure as hell isn't helping our debt. She's a NO TERM PRESIDENT.

    June 27, 2011 at 7:15 pm |
    • JesusisLord

      You depersonalize Christianity; those of us who serve Him enjoy a glorious relationship with God. It's not mechanical or rote or ritualistic. Everyday is a glorious experience of His presence.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:19 pm |
    • Debbie

      N,
      It's not just bottom feeders that need to worry if she's president, EVERYONE needs to worry. Someone made the comment that just because you have a big mouth and start fights doesn't make you a feminist. You cannot be a feminist and an evangelical . They clearly conflict

      June 28, 2011 at 12:17 am |
    • Bibletruth

      lol...fancy that, a politician using something (insert whatever____________________) to attempt to gain votes...lol

      June 28, 2011 at 1:21 am |
    • Dogbert

      Shut up you jezzus freaks and drink your koolaid.

      June 28, 2011 at 10:23 am |
  16. jerry

    If Heaven is filled with bachmans and Pat robertsons I dont want an invite. I've weighed my options and I think eternal damnation is a more pleasant choice

    June 27, 2011 at 7:13 pm |
    • JesusisLord

      You should reconsider. H e l l is real and you don't want to go there. Your only salvation is the shed blood of Jesus Christ. You appropriate the blood when you confess your sinfulness to Christ, repent of your sins, and follow Him forever. Serving Him is the best thing life has to offer. Don't miss your chance!

      June 27, 2011 at 7:17 pm |
    • UncelM

      Heaven, hell and god are made up to scare children. The problems the US faces are very real.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:19 pm |
    • buhdunkadunk

      keep voting democrat and you'll get there. You won't be missed

      June 27, 2011 at 7:39 pm |
    • shinden58

      Religion made up heaven and hell to keep the uneducated scared and under their thumb. Nothing like an imaginary friend in the sky or the myth of eternal damnation to keep the population in check.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
    • gozer

      So, JIL, how come you and your lot and your sky fairy think eternal torture is fair punishment for mild "sins" in a finite life, "sins" such as reasonable doubt? Can't even pull that in Guatanamo. Here on Earth, a judge like your god would be justifiably called an azzhole.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:58 pm |
    • Bibletruth

      According to the bible, heaven will be filled with commandment keepers adoring Him who made commandment keeping possible for them.

      June 28, 2011 at 1:22 am |
  17. john smith

    Lets get real, Bachman represents the very worst that America has to offer, Zionism, terrorism, evil and stupidity, all in one package.

    June 27, 2011 at 7:12 pm |
    • gozer

      agree. What an embarrassment to the nation that such a person has any chance of being elected POTUS.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
  18. Kathleen

    We can always count on the Religion section to demonstrate abject ignorance, not just in the comments, but also in the articles. A feminist is one who believes in equal rights and opportujnities for women. Bachmann is about limiting women's rights, including reproductive rights and lesbian rights. Is it too much to ask CNN to hire one editor who understands the English language?

    June 27, 2011 at 7:11 pm |
    • JesusisLord

      Your hate-filled statement says more about you than anyone else.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:14 pm |
    • ladiesbane

      You nailed it perfectly. And would Bachmann even claim to be a feminist? She might avail herself of work and educational opportunities won by feminists, but that's as far as she'll go.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
    • gozer

      JIL, explain how it is that you think Kathleen's statement is "hate-filled". Much of it looks pretty factual. You might not like the first line, but you don't have the right to not be offended when your idiotic sky fairy tales are justifably called into question.

      June 27, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
    • MrHanson

      "We can always count on the Religion section to demonstrate abject ignorance"

      You know that line is getting quite old. Usually it's ignorance coming from the atheists. They like to create a Straw man argument constantly. They also like to stereotype.

      June 28, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
  19. Please Wake Up

    Michele Bachmann is what's wrong with American politics. Amazing how a woman so clueless and unqualified as she is can be in Congress or running for president.

    June 27, 2011 at 7:08 pm |
    • Dave McGuire

      Yes, unbelievable. She's only barely more qualified than George Dubya Bush, who couldn't find his own butt with both hands, a funnel, and a roadmap.. At least she's more clueful than Palin, though. The whole lot of 'em just makes the idea of moving to Canada look better and better.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:19 pm |
    • N

      Yes, you're right. J.D. and LL.M. degrees, tax attorney for the IRS, and congressional experience in Minnesota's 6th district–she has no credentials at all?! Moron.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
    • pockets

      When people ask what is wrong with America, look no further than that woman and also granny palin. It says it all. Ignorant people who surround themselves with the uneducated. The bible is a comic book that is demented. Religion is for the mentally ill.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:34 pm |
    • Please Wake Up

      Hey N,
      I have extremely little respect for her as an academic. She went to Winona State University (what is that even??) and then went to the Coburn Law School which gives a very religious teaching of their version of "law" (it has also struggled with accreditation). Sure, she was called by God to go get a tax law degree from William and Mary, but any hardworking citizen could do that if they felt that God would send wrath upon them if they didn't. She may have great dedication, but to say she is qualified to be THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Please, this isn't the job for someone of average intelligence (or below average in her case), so you and her both need to stop dreaming because she isn't smart. Listen to her interview on Fox News last night, she looked ridiculous, clueless, and kept on spewing out the same political rhetoric without actually saying anything to an extent that I actually felt bad for her.

      June 27, 2011 at 8:54 pm |
    • N

      I'm sorry that her academic credentials do not meet your standards, but may I also remind you that our current, sitting president had test scores that were far inferior to his other Harvard peers which begs the question of why he was admitted at all? Don't kid yourself into believing that academic pedigree translates into intelligence or even hard work–even for Ivy League grads. Afterall, George W. is a Yale alum and he could hardly form a coherent sentence (breaks my heart to say that about him). Add on top of that the fact that President Obama had no prior executive experience. He spent the majority of his post-graduate career working as a community organizer. Say what you want about Michelle Bachmann, but don't delude yourself into believing that she is any less qualified than our current president.

      June 28, 2011 at 11:17 am |
    • Vigla

      N,

      Uh, no... Obama has been president for 2.5 yrs. He has VASTLY more experience that this congresswoman from Min who thinks people not like her are un-american. Please, we do not need another non-thinking president. We can't take it as a nation.

      June 28, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
    • N

      Vigla,

      The key word here is "prior". President Obama had no executive experience prior to being elected as president. Plain and clear, not open to debate. If these 2.5 years are a reflection of his executive ability he should surely be a one term president.

      June 28, 2011 at 4:24 pm |
  20. Phil

    If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.

    June 27, 2011 at 7:08 pm |
    • JesusisLord

      Faith is the evidence of things not seen.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:10 pm |
    • Faithful

      You obviously don't get out much.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:15 pm |
    • Alan Canon

      Well said, Phil. And to JesusIsLord, who comments "Faith is the evidence of things not seen." Well, that's not an argument in its favor is it?

      June 27, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
    • UncelM

      Faith is delusion.

      June 27, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
    • N

      If you could reason with a liberal, they would be a conservative!

      June 27, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • shinden58

      TO: JesusisLord said "Faith is the evidence of things not seen."

      Do you also believe in the tooth fairy and elves? Sorry I put my trust in science not in dogma and books of fiction like the bible.

      June 27, 2011 at 8:00 pm |
    • David

      N, I beg to differ.. Liberal would not be.. Considering I am a liberal and a devout Christian (yes, Liberals could be a Christian), when they are reason, they would stay even more liberal because conservatives do not seem to understand reasoning.. I have seen conservatives vote for people who "Called themselves Christians" but does everything a non-Christian politician would do.. Their immorality, lies, and hurting the helpless and poor... I find that to be the issue.. They say they are Christians but they do not bear any fruits... Hence, they are called non-Christians..

      June 27, 2011 at 10:18 pm |
    • Bibletruth

      Funny, I have found just the opposite to be true many times, and also what you say many times...so many people start a conversation, then run, almost literally, when presented some facts they suddenly realize they cannot handle. Dont be afraid. Seek for truth.

      June 28, 2011 at 1:27 am |
    • Aine57

      Actually, not true. You should qualify that with "literalist." A vast number of mainstream Christians, for example, have no difficulty accepting scientific principles, and see the Bible as history, poetry, and literature, and many events as primitive explanations of phenomena by people with no concept of, say, a heliocentric system or tectonic plates. Many would agree that there have been numerous excisions and additions to the canon of the Christian Bible (New Testament) as well as translations from Aramaic and Greek into Latin, into English, and possible with attendant errors. Some see Jesus as a very good man who preached love but had no supernatural origin, or as a man who understood human frailty and psychology and hence was able to free others of psychosomatic blindness, etc. Some believe Mary Magdalen was his wife, some think he was gay, and many think he was celibate. Who can really know from hard evidence? The main important attribute is the admonition that we take care of one another and do so with loving kindness and generosity.

      June 28, 2011 at 5:32 am |
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