Atheists flying ad campaign meets strong resistance
June 30th, 2011
06:41 PM ET

Atheists flying ad campaign meets strong resistance

By Katie Glaeser, CNN

(CNN)–It's a battle of belief - and the right not to believe - in a country founded on freedom.

"I'm a patriotic American. I served my country. I get out there and celebrate the Fourth, too," Blair Scott, who calls himself a proud atheist, proclaimed.

"This America belongs to everyone."

Blair, the communications director for the New Jersey-based American Atheists, said atheists in the United States often feel alienated and face accusations of being anti-American because of their lack of belief in God.

To combat those notions, his group is using Independence Day to say atheists love their country, too.

But the way they're spreading their message might have Americans looking to the sky this Fourth of July and finding something besides fireworks to stir emotion.

Planes with banners that read "God-LESS America" or "Atheism is Patriotic" will be flying over 27 states on Monday. While people might be leery to see the messages overhead, the $23,000 campaign has had a struggle with those who are supposed to bring it to life.

Justin Jaye of Fly Signs Aerial Advertising, who is orchestrating the flights for American Atheists, said out of the 85 people in the country who fly these sign-pulling planes only about 17 have agreed to fly the messages.

"I've been in this business for 20 years and I've never run into so much resistance on people flying," Jaye said. "I've had pilots who are actual atheists who said, 'Justin, I am an atheist and I won't fly it because I can't wear a bulletproof vest.'"

Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, says the reaction to the organization's campaign before it takes off shows how much work the group still needs to do. "This is a clear reminder of why we need to keep fighting because the bigotry against us is so thick that a lot of the pilots are afraid to fly our banners," he said.

Jaye said while some feared for their lives, others feared for their marriages. He had one pilot say his wife would divorce him if he made the flight.

Red Calvert, a pilot and president of Pro-Air Enterprises in Indianapolis, said his reasons to decline the flight were based on his personal beliefs.

"I respect our country and I respect our churches and we've got enough problems in our country without stirring up some more," he said. "If those people want to do something they believe in, fine, just don't include me."

The American Atheists hope to draw attention and spur public discussion through their campaign on Monday.

"It's going to remind people that atheism is at that ballgame and at that beach and at that parade. We are patriotic people," Silverman said.

- CNN Belief Blog

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soundoff (2,835 Responses)
  1. bp

    So according to some people on here Im unpatriotic cause Im an Atheist even though Im in the military and currently serving in Iraq? That seems rather illogical. Youd be suprised how many people in the military do not have a belief in a god of some sort. Though I have no statisitcs to back anything up I wouldnt doubt half the force probably is either Atheist or Agnostic.

    July 1, 2011 at 8:42 pm |
    • incredulous

      Haven't you read that passage in the bible about there being no atheists in foxholes? (sarcasm showing I hope...) I wouldn't doubt you will get that from an evangelical xian here who is not familiar with his own holy book. Thank you so much for your service, bp, and nogodspeed home soon! You are a true patriot and this fellow atheist is very proud of you.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:54 pm |
    • Mike

      I will pray for you and your safety and for that of your friends and family. Remember, you represent the USA reqardless of your personal beliefs. But know one thing as you serve your country......thousands served before you and gave you the freedom your experiencing today. That freedom included choice.........ask the millions of Russians, Poles, Germans, Jews, Brits, and Americans who gave their life for God and country. And remember, your saving the lifes of people who don't know Jesus as their savior and who submit themselves to a God your defending!!

      July 1, 2011 at 8:55 pm |
    • erc

      bp, look up the 2005 Population Reference Bureau report on military demographics. It's about 21% non-theist, significantly higher than civilian demographics.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:55 pm |
    • gozer

      Mike, prayer has never been shown to do anything other than keep the masses occupied. And please, look up "your" vs. "you're". The rest of your post is painful to read because you're confusing them,

      Anyway, few of those people that you mentioned gave up their lives for a god. They had far better reasons for what they did. Why would a god need a human to do anything for it?

      July 1, 2011 at 9:51 pm |
    • rigel54

      Mike, in addition to your chronic misuse of the word your (you're), you've got it entirely wrong. Those thousands died for freedom, not Jesus or God. Many were atheists. None died for religion. None died to preserve commitment to Jesus. It's true that our nation is slipping back into mysticism, but let's not celebrate it!

      July 1, 2011 at 9:54 pm |
    • Moral Atheist

      Instead of praying for someone, why not sacrifice a goat instead. God was pretty obsessed with blood sacrifice. Even sacrificed his one son and asked you to drink his blood and eat his flesh every Sunday. A goat would be more effective than prayer.

      July 1, 2011 at 9:58 pm |
  2. acspore

    You can be a good person without religion. You can be a good citizen without religion. You can be a good human being without religion. There are evil people of religion, as there are good people of religion.

    July 1, 2011 at 8:40 pm |
  3. Ben

    I'm Jewish, and I don't believe in any god. I'm fine with this.

    Though I have one question for christians, what happened to all the people who existed before Jesus who obviously couldn't believe in him because he wasn't born yet? Did they all go to hell?

    July 1, 2011 at 8:36 pm |
  4. D'Bourgeois

    Would a Christian be convinced to accept Islam? Would an Muslim be convinced to convert to Christianity? By overwhelming majority, probably not! Take them aside and ask why. The answer would be "Man that is one strange religion! Cant believe a rational person can accept that junk as true" .

    My friends, that is how all religions are. And yours is none above the other. The level of comfort and familiarity prevents you from seeing the absurdity of your own belief.

    July 1, 2011 at 8:32 pm |
    • Don Rose

      Nicely said!

      July 1, 2011 at 8:37 pm |
    • John Richardson

      That is exactly right. The inanities of the other "tribe" are always apparent. Those of one's own require that you step back and think anew in a way far too few are comfortable doing.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:47 pm |
    • woodchips

      Four churches within a city block. One of the three is 'the one true church'. The other three house the infidels whoset ultimate goal of course is eternal demise. One problem exists here: each of these churches claim to hold the key to heaven. How can a person of any semblance of intelligence not see the irony of this as they empty their already near empty pockets and purses?

      July 1, 2011 at 9:16 pm |
  5. bobhood

    Patriotism seems to be most important to those who have either never visited another country, or have IQ's that match their shoe sizes (and in a lot of cases, both). It's the sad state of America today has everything to do with my lack of patriotism. When our elected officials and American corporations somehow find their ethics again (isn't religion supposed to provide that?), then the country might be great once again, and I might feel more patriotic. My atheism really has nothing to do with it.

    July 1, 2011 at 8:31 pm |
    • Yar

      bobhood, I also feel as you do.

      July 2, 2011 at 1:57 am |
  6. woodchips

    "Like Gays, athiests feel a need to shove their beliefs/activities in the faces of those around them. Bottom line is they are the losers who need to back off, period"

    could just as accurately read: "Like Gays, Christians feel a need to shove their beliefs/activities in the faces of those around them. Bottom line is they are the losers who need to back off, period." I might further add that since the beginning of time, thousands of cultures, belief systems, languages, dress etc has been annihilated, including the peoples themselves at the hands of 'missionaries' invading their worlds, convincing them by ulteriorly motivated 'good works' if not 'by the sword, to switch to the beliefs of those of the particular missionary. Now this is the ultimate 'shove' and I will say that the 'believers' started the whole process!

    July 1, 2011 at 8:28 pm |
  7. alanuk

    The Thing the Religious Community (& that includes all religions) fear the most – Is Science & Facts because no one can argue with facts without looking stupid, (they can try and bend it to fit their ideals ie Catholic church adopting evolution) and they'll give it a good go, because they have a lot to lose (money usually), whereas Atheists have nothing to lose because there is nothing in the first place! – why do people think atheists have a hidden agenda they have no belief and will gain no belief and you cant prophet (sic) from No Belief

    July 1, 2011 at 8:24 pm |
    • OREgon

      Christianity has to evolve over time, to keep up with society, in order to survive.... examples- female rights, black rights, and science..... and the list goes on.... more and more of the bible is being butchered in order for the Christianity communities can survive.....

      July 1, 2011 at 8:30 pm |
    • LinCA

      Anytime anyone inserts their god to fill a gap in their hypothesis, they provide an opportunity for science to prove their religion wrong.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:33 pm |
    • JW

      Evolution and the big bang theory do not prove that God does not exist. It is impossible to prove that God exists or vice versa.

      July 1, 2011 at 10:09 pm |
    • LinCA


      You said "Evolution and the big bang theory do not prove that God does not exist. It is impossible to prove that God exists or vice versa."
      It is entirely irrelevant whether I can disprove that there is a god. I'm not the one making the claim that there is one. It is the believers making the claim. It is therefor 100% the responsibility of the believer to show that there is merit to the claim.

      Since there isn't a single shred of evidence that there are any gods, let alone yours, the rational position is to assume there aren't any. Assuming there is one without any supporting evidence is irrational.

      So it is up to the believers to put up, or shut up. Provide your evidence, or admit we're talking fairy tales.

      July 1, 2011 at 11:50 pm |
    • David Johnson


      You said: "Evolution and the big bang theory do not prove that God does not exist. It is impossible to prove that God exists or vice versa."

      Actually, since it is the believers that are positing a god, it would be their burden to supply evidence that god does indeed exist.

      Extraordinary claims, requires extraordinary evidence – Carl Sagan

      No one can prove a negative. I can't prove that god does not exist. I also can't prove Santa Claus does not exist. But in life, we decide what is real and not real, based on what we feel is probable.

      In the real world, any object that provides no evidence for its existence is classified as imaginary.

      I think we can rule out god, in the same way we rule out any other mythological creature. I can't prove vampires or werewolves or fairies don't exist. But, I bet you would agree, that they are not real. They just don't fit in with reality.

      So, we can look for attributes of god, that should provide evidence that He exists.
      If positive evidence is found, we should conclude that god probably exists.
      If positive evidence is not found, then we should conclude that the Christian God, beyond a reasonable doubt, does not exist. Just like Santa. Just like fairies. Just like vampires.

      One of the most compelling reasons for rejecting god, is the fact that there are so many versions of god(s). Some, not even human (The elephant-faced god – Ganesha etc.). Each religion, each denomination of each religion, defines god's wants differently. All of these religions cannot be right. But they can all be wrong.
      Perhaps man has not yet found the one true god, or perhaps He does not exist.

      Christians claim their god is Omnipotent ( all powerful), Omniscient (all knowing) and Omnibenevolent (all good).

      1.If god is Omnibenevolent, He would WANT every human to believe in Him.
      The bible says He does:
      2 Peter 3:9
      9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. King James Version (KJV)

      1 Timothy 2:4
      4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. King James Version (KJV)

      2. If god is Omniscient, then He would KNOW exactly how to convince anyone and everyone that He exists.

      3. If god is Omnipotent, then He would be ABLE to convince anybody and everybody that He exists.

      Yet, ~ 68% of the world's population are not Christians.

      Therefore, the Christian god is very unlikely to exist.

      In the same vein as the above, notice how many denominations of Christianity there are (~ 34,000). Each denomination can show you scripture, that "proves" they understand the wants of Jesus/god.
      All of the denominations could not be correctly interpreting the bible. Many are contradictory.
      Many of these denominations believe only their members will be saved.
      If the Christian god exists, and He is all knowing and all powerful and all good, why didn't He provide a bible that could not be misinterpreted? That everyone's comprehension of His wants would be the same?
      Christians believe god's purpose in creating the Bible is to guide human beings towards a knowledge of God, and to help them lead moral lives, Christians must be certain of the meaning of the Bible.

      ambiguity – a word or expression that can be understood in two or more possible ways : an ambiguous word or expression.

      "There are in excess of 1,000 Christian faith groups in North America. They teach diverse beliefs about the nature of Jesus, God, the second coming, Heaven, Hell, the rapture, criteria for salvation, speaking in tongues, the atonement, what happens to persons after death, and dozens of other topics.

      On social controversies, faith groups teach a variety of conflicting beliefs about abortion access, equal rights for ho_mo$exuals and bi$exuals, who should be eligible for marriage, the death penalty, physician assisted suicide, human $exuality topics, origins of the universe, and dozens of other topics.

      The groups all base their theological teachings on the Bible. Generally speaking, the theologians in each of these faith groups are sincere, intelligent, devout, thoughtful and careful in their interpretation of the Bible. But, they come to mutually exclusive conclusions about what it teaches. Further, most are absolutely certain that their particular interpretations are correct, and that the many hundreds of faith groups which teach opposing beliefs are in error." Source: Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance

      If the bible is ambiguous, then it cannot be said to be inerrant.

      The Christian god is very unlikely to exist.

      Another reason to reject the idea of a god, is because there appears to be no need for one. Each hour of each day, science fills another gap in man's knowledge, that god once filled. So far, science has found no need for a god.
      We don't want to postulate what isn't necessary.

      John 3:16 – For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

      If the Christian god so loves the world, why does he allow / cause so much suffering? Disease, famine, floods, earthquakes etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseum. ?

      I can explain the existence of these horrors as being due to natural causes and evolution, but my explanation fails when I include an all loving Creator in the equation. I keep getting a "Can't divide by zero" error.

      Christians say their god is omnibenevolent (all good); omnipotent (all powerful); omniscient ( all knowing)

      1. If the Christian god is all knowing, He would be AWARE of all the suffering on earth.

      2. If the Christian god is all good, He would WANT to rid the world of suffering / evil.

      3. If the Christian god is all powerful, He would be ABLE to rid the world of suffering / evil.

      4. Yet, evil persists.

      Therefore, The Christian god is very unlikely to exist.

      The Christian god is said to be omniscient and omnipotent. But these attributes are not compatible.

      If the Christian god is all knowing, if the future can be known, then even god would be bound by events in the future. Everything would be predetermined.

      1. If the Christian god, knows what will happen in the future, and does something else...then, He is not all knowing.

      2. If the Christian god knows the future and cannot change it, then He is not all powerful.

      3. The attributes attributed to the Christian god conflict with one another.

      The Christian god with these attributes cannot exist.

      Evolution, with its evidence of transitional fossils, geological column, DNA evidence, vestigial organs etc., is very damning to the biblical Creation Story.

      If god created all the organisms on the planet, then He must have created even the diseases that have caused and are causing so much death and misery for humans and animals. He would have had to fashion the tick and the flea. The mosquito and blood flukes. And worms that bore into a child's eye.

      How could an all good god do such a thing? Why would He spend His time creating gruesome things to cause human suffering? Yet, these horrors exist. And if god didn't create them, who did?

      Evolution explains the diversity of the planet's organisms, including the pathogens and the parasites that have caused so much human death and misery.

      If the Creation Story is a fable, then Adam and Eve did not exist.

      If Adam and Eve did not exist, then there was no original sin.

      If there was no original sin, then it cannot be the reason god allows so much suffering in the world. We can dump the guilt trip.

      If there was no original sin, then there was no need for a redeemer.

      If there was no redeemer, then Christianity is a based on a false premise.

      "If we cannot believe in the First Adam, why believe in the Last [Christ]?" 1 Corinthians15:45

      If the Creation story is a myth, then there is no reason to believe any of the bible.

      If we evolved, there is no soul –> no afterlife –> no need of a heaven or hell.
      LOL, which is why the Evangelicals fight so hard against evolution.

      Evolution is the Christian god's Achilles' heel.

      The Christian god is no more likely to exist than unicorns, satyrs, fiery serpents, or talking snakes.


      July 1, 2011 at 11:52 pm |
  8. Mike

    By late spring, 1864, the American Civil War reached a military impasse that threatened President Lincoln’s re-election. He wrote a letter to that effect, then filed it. General Sheridan’s victories in the Shenandoah Valley, and Sherman’s capture of Atlanta later that summer, turned Lincoln’s re-election from impossible to inevitable.

    Romans 8:31-39 is inevitable once we appreciate that God predestined it. With no apologies to Calvinism, Paul didn’t say God predestines individuals to Heaven or Hell, but that God predestined his people to succeed as Christians by making Jesus his prototype human and every believer his duplicate.

    As importantly, God has overcome both the Spiritual World and our Spiritual Inadequacy, the only two threats to his purpose and to our success achieving it. Comparing verses 38-39 with 35-36 illustrates it. In the latter Paul diminished the impact of life experiences by stressing our conquest of the spiritual world. If nothing from the spiritual world—death, angels, demons, the present, the future, powers, depths, heights or ANYTHING in creation—can separate us from God’s love, how can everyday problems—trouble, hardship, persecution, famine, nakedness, danger or sword—separate us from God’s purpose? Since God has conquered the greater threat of verses 38-39, he certainly won’t let the lesser powers of verses 35-36 conquer us!

    July 1, 2011 at 8:23 pm |
  9. Robin C

    What ever happened to the separation of church and state? Since when is patriotism part of whether you believe or not. I just honed in on this story and am amazed by some of the comments I read. I am an athiest and a patriot. I do not feel as though I need to express it to others nor am I ashamed. I am proud on both fronts. Who cares what others think? I know they look at me differently when religion comes into a discussion but if they can't accept my thoughts then I don't really care to express them to closed minded people.

    July 1, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
    • Annie

      I have no idea how athiests get through life. Having faith gets people through surgery, deaths in the family, illness, famlly problems etc. How these idiots can say there is no God is beyond me. LOOK OUTSIDE people, look at the flowers, animals, and all the little tiny perfections in them. Seriously, you think a big bang could do that. It is sad to even think about these "athiidiots".

      July 1, 2011 at 8:37 pm |
    • OREgon

      Annie- Do you still believe the world is flat??

      July 1, 2011 at 8:52 pm |
    • LinCA


      You said "I have no idea how athiests (sic) get through life. Having faith gets people through surgery, deaths in the family, illness, famlly (sic) problems etc. How these idiots can say there is no God is beyond me. LOOK OUTSIDE people, look at the flowers, animals, and all the little tiny perfections in them. Seriously, you think a big bang could do that. It is sad to even think about these "athiidiots"."
      May I suggest an education? How about elementary school.

      July 2, 2011 at 1:34 am |
  10. JFK57

    The devil loves to see human suffering and began with the temptation of the first two human beings
    to stray from God's command. Please read teh book of Genesis which accounts for the devils activities from
    the beginning of human existance.

    July 1, 2011 at 8:09 pm |
    • Andy

      You should read Judges Chapter 19:22-30

      July 1, 2011 at 8:18 pm |
    • OREgon

      JFK57 please read the whole entire bible.....

      July 1, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
    • Jim

      I've read your book, and I don't believe it. It's every American's right to practice any religion he/she chooses, or none at all. Remember the pilgrims who came to the new world seeking religious freedom? I won't tell you what to believe, so don't tell me. Thanks.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:28 pm |
    • OREgon

      actually jim... the pilgrims all died out before making a settlement.... They all died from starvation and diseases..... =)).... the winters were too cold and they were dumb as hell when it came down to farming.....

      July 1, 2011 at 8:45 pm |
    • gozer

      So if you burn animals to please god like the bible commands you to, will god save you from this mean Satan guy? How come your uber-powerful god can't just get rid of satan? Pretty weak god ya got there.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:55 pm |
    • David Johnson


      Satan was invented by men, because they felt "funny" worshipping a god that had just devastated a village of good people via a flood. They didn't want their god to be the one who did evil. So, Beelzebub was born.

      You believe god is all knowing. Yes?

      You believe god is all powerful. Yes?

      You believe everything written in the bible is true. Yes?

      You believe Satan is at least as intelligent as your average human. Yes?

      You believe Satan can read? Yes?

      Do you think Satan ever read the part, in the King James, where he loses the battle against god? What would be the point in continuing the battle, if the goal (victory?) ABSOLUTELY was not obtainable? I think this would be disheartening to any army. Even a band of fallen angels.

      Who, more than a fallen angel, would believe/know god was omniscient? Not to mention omnipotent. That would have been a stumbling block to any coup attempt. Right?

      So, rebellion would have been dumb of Satan and his band of angels. God would have said, "You will lose and you will lose your health insurance." End of rebellion, I think.

      These stories are fiction. Do you see that? What ent ity would rebel against an all powerful, all knowing god? You couldn't even sneak up on Him. Sheesh! Use your brain, just a little.

      What's funny, is that Christians bestow upon their god, the attributes of being omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient.
      Never mind that it is impossible for a god to be all those things at the same time.
      But, Christians never stop to think how these attributes affect their fairy tales. They never consider the ramifications resulting from these superlative qualities that they give to their god.

      Some have told me, that Satan knows he will be defeated. His goal is to take as many humans to hell with him as possible.
      But, Christians also say, their god is all knowing. If god can see the future, if the future can be known, He would know exactly how many souls will be lost and how many saved. He would know this, from the beginning.

      If god can know the future, Satan would be locked into his part. Like Judas and Peter, he would have no choice.

      If the predictions of the bible concerning Satan and the end times are true, then all the events and actions leading up to the fulfillment of these predictions, are predetermined. Predictions, cannot depend on chance.

      “For me, it is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.”
      – Carl Sagan


      July 1, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
    • bhigh

      News flash! Fictional tales are fictional!

      July 2, 2011 at 1:28 am |
  11. mr sims

    It may actually all be the same. Atheism, belief in religion/God, agnosticism. May all be the same thing.

    July 1, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
    • did mr sims post after he took mr meds?

      That made sense to you?

      July 1, 2011 at 8:12 pm |
    • mr sims

      It's a bit intellectual. You may want to think about it for a while...

      July 1, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
    • mr sims needs to expand a bit

      It's way too vague to be intellectual. You need to define the point you are trying to make a bit better. On the surface, it looks like you are trying to make some meta-religious mystical point.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:35 pm |
    • Annie

      Are you HIGH?

      July 1, 2011 at 8:39 pm |
    • Quantum Spin Topology

      Indeed, mr sims, they could be all the same.
      Might I add that the concept of self-awareness might be nothing more than a feedback-loop.
      And multidimensional physics is where it's at.

      July 2, 2011 at 2:08 am |
    • Peace2All

      @mr sims

      You may be right, as I am in agreement with -Quantum Spin Topology here.



      July 2, 2011 at 2:14 am |
    • Electric Larry

      Well this thread certainly has gotten solipsistic.

      July 2, 2011 at 2:51 am |
    • Peace2All

      @Electric Larry

      Yep... seems so, doesn't it...?

      BTW- I'm becoming a 'fan' of your postings. I often enjoy them. Keep posting !



      July 2, 2011 at 3:00 am |
  12. Richard

    As an atheist, this is just asswholish. These Atheist organizations that try to rent out parks on Easter where Churches have their egg hunts and stuff is just the wrong move. You don't get people on your side by being dix. Call the catholic church out on their boy touching ways, make cases against the government for why churches should have to pay taxes. Help in the fight for rights denied to people because or religious beliefs like gay marriage. But just being a jerk doesn't help us or them one bit.

    July 1, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
    • Flora

      As a Christian, I wholeheartedly agree.

      It's fine if you want to show off your convictions as freely as everyone else, but if your goal is also to get your group a better reputation amoung non-members, being combative, highly inconsiderate, and insulting is NOT the way to do it.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:07 pm |
  13. JFK57

    Both Republicans and Democrats are very disappointing. As far as position though, the philosophy of the liberal left are closest to the devil. The devil loves gay activity because God hates it. The devil loves abortion, God hates it. The Devil loves anything that brings down the human creation.

    July 1, 2011 at 7:45 pm |
    • Anti Religion

      There is no such thing as the devil. Or "god" for that matter. Grow up and start living in the real world.

      July 1, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
    • mr sims

      what do you mean brings down the human creation?

      July 1, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
    • Ggargoyle

      The devil and the Judeo-Christian "God" are not capable of loving or hating anything. This is because they are mere man-made notions that have neither substance nor self-awareness. They are at best, metaphors for the principles and outcomes that shape the universe and our experience of it, but are as indifferent and unaware of anything as the wind or rocks.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:04 pm |
    • incredulous

      According to your bible, your god created this monster devil thingie, continues to create evil (Isaiah 45:7) and is omnipotent, so it can destroy this monster devil thingie anytime it wishes, yet chooses not to. It also chooses not to eliminate cancer, which it also created (it created everything, right?), earthquakes, tsunamis, famine, etc., That, in my opinion, is also the behavior of a monster. If I believed in gods, which I don't, I most certainly wouldn't worship yours.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:44 pm |
    • gozer

      what incredulous said. Funny how Christians can't think that through.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:57 pm |
  14. Papa Pat

    @Chuck – Get your pilot's license, buy a properly-equipped airplane and write away.

    July 1, 2011 at 7:41 pm |
  15. D'Bourgeois

    Did you really think the Devil will take you away from religion? No, the devil works to make sure that you and YOUR progeny suffer. And how do they do it? Like sheep in lamb skin, whip up your religious fervor and use it against you. The new age devil is Republican Leadership! Tells you global warming is hoax, when it is not.

    July 1, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      D'Bourgeois, where were you when I was shoveling 3 feet of snow off my family room roof that doesn't have a steep pitch? Global warming is a hoax to get you to pay more taxes for their made up nonsense.


      July 1, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      So much for my trying to type in the dark. That was Amen.

      July 1, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
    • D'Bourgeois

      Global warming is about overall temp of earth, not local fluctuations. When the overall temp rises, do does evaporation off water bodies – more rain but lopsided distribution (think recent midwest floods). Plus it dries the land of moisture – drought.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:05 pm |
    • Flora

      This is almost brilliant. Now if only we could find an older, rich, white male to take it national...

      July 1, 2011 at 8:09 pm |
    • D'Bourgeois

      Think about it. If YOU are right that Global warming is hoax, we take a 'needless' economic pain – which the Banks gave you anyways. If YOU are wrong, and Global warming could have been stopped, then you become the Judas who betrayed humanity for a few shekels today.

      And how the banks gave you the drubbing? Republican congress allowed the banks to bet on Wall Street in 1999. YOU didn't as much as whimper.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:24 pm |
    • gozer

      HeavensCrap, speaking of hoaxes, your whole pathetic religion is a hoax and merely serves the purposes of taking money from stupid sheeple and keeping those sheeple under control.

      July 1, 2011 at 9:00 pm |
  16. JFK57

    Like Gays, athiests feel a need to shove their beliefs/activities in the faces of those around them. Bottom line is they are the losers who need to back off, period.

    July 1, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
    • Juan

      I honestly cannot wait until bigoted sub-humans like yourself die off.

      July 1, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
    • AMSP

      Atheists are trying to shove their beliefs on your face? Funny... I thought they didn't have any beliefs to begin with.
      Gays are shoving their "beliefs" too? No, they are not asking for any special treatment. They just want to visit their partners in hospitals and have the basic rights we take for granted.

      Treat others like you want to be treated yourself!

      July 1, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
    • Ron

      ...of course, Christians like yourself, would NEVER do such a thing....um hmm.

      July 1, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
    • OREgon

      Thats a HUGE JUDGMENT call from a so called CHRISTIAN!! Calling "atheist LOSERS"..... Your such a hypocrite!!

      July 1, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
    • Scott

      Unfortunately Christians feel like they are having atheism rammed down their throughts when we do things like complain about creationism being taught as a science. They feel victimized by anything that prevents them from getting exactly what they want no mater how it impacts others.

      July 1, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
    • Erin

      Riiiiight... and the religious stay super quiet about their beliefs. Why is it when people ask to be accepted as an equal it's called "shoving their lifestyle" down others throats?

      July 1, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Scott, you are showing your youth with the lies heaped upon your generation that you came from APES or there was a Batman and Robin Big Bang, BOOM, Kaboom that paved your way. It always amazes me why your generation never questions this, just take it at face value? You also take at face value to go against the truth of the Lord.

      Sad ways of the world.


      July 1, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
    • Happy Hollow

      Actually I find that more times than often it is those who are very religious that push their beliefs. I grew up around Christians that thought that everyone was wrong but them. I find that those who have different than the usual beliefs are more likely to just accept others the way they are. People just need to understand we are all raised different ways, and come up with different ideas. So lets just believe what we want and not make others feel bad for believing it!

      July 1, 2011 at 8:00 pm |
    • OREgon

      HeavenSent- oh and believing in a talking snake, burning bush, and that the world is only 6,000 years old, now thats more believable.... oh and that people use to live up 900 years old.... what a joke!! lol

      July 1, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
    • Andy

      @HeavenSent I think you have a very distorted view of the universe, and your counter claims would fall under straw man arguments. There are explanations to the basic understanding of physics and the universe. I can show you links to simple understandings of science. I want you to see that even with the basics you can look back at all of history with a more rigid understanding instead of a complete faith based system. I can show you about how we have a better grasp on the very fundamental nature of matter and reality that far exceeds what our ancestors knew thousands of years ago. Look up neuroscience and quantum physics for starters. Then from there you can just learn about all the definitions of the words that make up those fields of study. Don't stop. One day you could make a change.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:08 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Whereas I'm fat, old, senile, and my an-us and crotch don't work right any more. Too much salt and french fries for my lazy ass.


      July 1, 2011 at 8:25 pm |
  17. Mike

    They should call this blog, "The Unbelief Blog". Almost every article is anti-faith or is some twisted P.C. form of pseudo-faith. It always gives me the creeps.

    July 1, 2011 at 7:33 pm |
    • Anti Religion

      Religion is an abusive, disgusting way of controlling the masses and spreading hatred in the name of "love". I am glad to see non religious views represented on the internet and throughout the real world. It's about damn time.

      July 1, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Mike, the anti-christ's followers are alive and well and in full swing for this last generation. Satan wants to take as many of God's children with him to the eternal flames, blotted out, no eternity for him or those he deceives. I pray for all the lost souls that buy into the ways of the world (satan's kingdom).

      Peace and Amen.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:00 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      God's gonna torture you if you don't believe that.


      July 1, 2011 at 8:25 pm |
    • Mike

      I am part of the fellowship of the unashamed. The dye has been cast. I’ve stepped over the line. The decision has been made. I’m a disciple of Jesus. I won’t look back, let up, slow down, back away or be still. My past is redeemed; my present makes sense; my future is secure. I’m finished and done with low living, with slight walking, with small planning, with smooth knees, with colorless dreams, with tame visions, with mundane talking, with chinzy giving and dwarfed goals. I no longer need prosperity, position, promotion, plaudits or popularity. I don’t have to be right, first, top, recognized, praised, regarded or rewarded. I now live by presence, learn by faith, walk by patience, lift by prayer and labor by power. My face is set, my gait is fast, my goal is heaven, the road is narrow, my way is rough, my compassions few, my Guide reliable, my conscience clear. I can’t be bought, compromised, lured away, turned back, deluded or delayed. I will not flinch in the face of sacrifice, hesitate in the presence of the adversary, negotiate at the table of the enemy, ponder at the pool of popularity. I won’t give up, shut up or let up until I have stayed up, stored up, prayed up, paid up, and preached up the cause of Christ. I am a disciple of Jesus. I must go till He comes, give till I drop, proclaim till all know and work till He stops me. And when He comes for His own He will have no problem recognizing me for my colors will be clear.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:36 pm |
    • Charlie Babbitt

      Mike is part of the fellowship of the plagarists. That trite little cliche speech has been around for years.

      Do you have any ideas of your own, Mike, or do you just parrot other people's stuff?

      July 1, 2011 at 9:22 pm |
    • David Johnson


      When you quote something, it is a good idea to enclose it in quotation marks and to give your source.
      The author of your post, is Dr. Bob Moorehead. At least according to God's Work Ministry.


      July 2, 2011 at 12:05 am |
  18. MrM

    It’s funny how Atheists want to play the bullied, but look at this very forum and you’ll see who the bullies are.

    July 1, 2011 at 7:25 pm |
    • Drsmith


      July 1, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
    • Anti Religion

      So true. Those religious folk are extremely hateful in their attempts to defend their belief in a non existent sky fairy.

      July 1, 2011 at 7:52 pm |
    • Scott

      You mean bullies like pedoph-ile catholic priests? Or bullies that bomb abort-ion clinics?

      July 1, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Anti, that's not true. Christians care about all our brothers and sisters souls and want folks to stop focusing on the ways of the world and think about enjoying the hereafter with our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, for eternity. If we get too salty. That's good. Stroking ones ego is how your generation was conditioned. It's not meant to be mean spirited. It's meant for you to at least hear His truth. We can't make you do or believe anything, but we can at least throw in some of His truth to how you are deluded by satan and his followers. We all have 2 choices. Love and follow Jesus' truth and live spiritually while on earth as it is in Heaven and dwell with Him for eternity. Or, love and follow satan's lies, spiritually die while on earth, when you get to paradise, don't choose to change your perceptions when hearing His truth, no eternity ... to be blotted out.

      Choose wisely. Your soul depends on it.


      July 1, 2011 at 8:07 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I'm a bully and I can't sh!t right cause I ate too much salt.


      July 1, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
  19. MC

    Anyone that thinks poor little atheists are poor victims of harassment has not seen how they routinely harass people of faith on youtube.

    July 1, 2011 at 7:12 pm |
    • Sybaris

      That pales in comparison to how Bush referred to his maker in starting a war to harass another country.

      July 1, 2011 at 7:16 pm |
    • Chuck

      You don't think that atheists being able to pay people to get their message out says anything about the bias against them in this country? What do youtube videos have to do with this story?

      July 1, 2011 at 7:18 pm |
    • Evolved DNA

      MC.. its usually the religious who love to be victimized, all part of the god experience.

      July 1, 2011 at 7:23 pm |
    • The Amazing Insights of Bob Brainiac, Christian


      Okay, not really. Like all American Christians, I have never truly been persecuted, but it just sounds so superior that I like to say it too.

      July 1, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
    • Nogod

      Let's see.. theists are still justifying bad science and obsolete morality based on a 2000 yr old myth they never once had evidence for and never will have evidence for.

      Not only do theists NOT have evidence to support their ass-backwards beliefs, which interferes with the rights of others at a regular and chronic pace, but they don't even have enough evidence to justify a rational amount of doubt in the matter that might suggest their god could exist.

      Exactly why should any rational person respect the beliefs of religious people again?

      July 1, 2011 at 7:27 pm |
    • Jimmy

      @Nogod: You should respect our beliefs for the same reason you ask us to respect yours–common decency. Treat people how you want to be treated. I can dispute everything you just said in your comment and back it up with facts, but I won't. It's not going to change your mind, and I won't force my beliefs upon you, just as you shouldn't force your atheism on anyone else.

      July 1, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
    • Electric Larry

      Jimmy, you said "I can dispute everything you just said in your comment and back it up with facts." I would really like to here you dispute and back up with facts his statement the you "don't even have enough evidence to justify a rational amount of doubt in the matter that might suggest their god could exist."

      I will give you a serious listen. We often have people come here and claim they can somehow prove the existence of God in some way, but the "evidence" always turns out to be really contorted misunderstandings of science. It's the back up with facts thing I am interested in.

      Believe it or not, I and most of the other non-believers here would love to see any piece of solid evidence for the existence of a deological entity for a change. I for one would adjust my views if I saw it. If you have that evidence, please share it.

      July 1, 2011 at 8:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Jimmy, get with the team. God wants us to force our beliefs on everyone. That's the only way our religion can stay popular.


      July 1, 2011 at 8:28 pm |
  20. MC

    Anyone that thinks poor little atheists are poor victims of harassment has not seen how they routinely harass people of faith on youtube.

    July 1, 2011 at 7:11 pm |
    • Chuck

      How do you harrass someone on youtube? As an atheist, I was continually subjected to state sanctioned religious peer pressure as a child in my public elementary school – "One nation, under God," etc, etc. That is real, tangeable harassment committed on a nine yeard old child.

      July 1, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
    • Take a little responsibility for yourself

      MC, it's not like YouTube chases you down and forces you to watch. You have to actually search to find it, then choose to watch it. You are CHOOSING to be harassed by going out of your way to even find this stuff. It's not like we post them all the time here like that Christian idiot did. And even then, you don't have to watch them (I sure didn't).

      July 1, 2011 at 8:41 pm |
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