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July 4th, 2011
11:22 AM ET

Atheists explain flying ad campaign

On the Fourth of July across the U.S., American Atheists are taking to skies with a flying banner ad campaign.

They will be flying over busy holiday hot spots like beaches and parks with banners that read: "Atheism is Patriotic" and "God-LESS America."

Some pilots balked and would not fly the banner ads. 

Justin Jaye of Fly Signs Aerial Advertising, told the Belief Blog last week,  "I've been in this business for 20 years and I've never run into so much resistance on people flying," Jaye said. "I've had pilots who are actual atheists who said, 'Justin, I am an atheist and I won't fly it because I can't wear a bulletproof vest.'"

In the video above, Rick Wingrove from the Virginia chapter of American Atheists explains to CNN's T.J. Holmes more about the campaign and why they picked the Fourth of July.

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  1. RichardSRussell

    More research results: The CNN nannybot also gags on a r s e n a l.

    *sigh* What incompetent programmed that thing, anyway?

    July 4, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @RichardSRussell

      Yeah, unfortunately... 'a r s e' is on the auto-mod filter list.

      Peace...

      July 4, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Yeah, there's a fairly comprehensive list that gets posted from time to time that I never think to copy.

      July 4, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
    • LinCA

      If "Your comment is awaiting moderation." it won't ever be posted. There are no moderators only automated censoring. You post must have had a forbidden word in it.

      The following words or word fragments will get your post censored (list is incomplete):
      arse
      bastard
      bitch
      cock
      coon
      cum
      cunt
      douche
      effing
      fag
      ftw
      fuck
      homo
      horny
      jackass
      jap
      jism
      kooch
      nipple
      orgy
      pis
      porn
      poo
      prick
      rape
      sex
      shit
      slut
      snatch
      spic
      tit
      twat
      vag
      whore
      wtf

      To fix that you can break up the word by putting an extra character in, like consti.tution (breaking the oh so naughty "tit").

      July 4, 2011 at 6:36 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Thank you for the list, LinCA, and my admiration for figuring out how to get it posted without being whacked 7 ways from Sunday. How DID you do it?

      July 4, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
    • Emmanuel Goldstien

      how can you post the list w/o being censored?

      July 4, 2011 at 7:16 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Obviously, LinCA does it by invoking divine intervention, silly! 😀

      Actually, LinCA explained it to me the other day. It has something to do with those pointy thingies. Let me try:

      effing

      July 4, 2011 at 7:27 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Obviously, LinCA does it by invoking divine intervention, silly! 😀

      Actually, LinCA explained it to me the other day. It has something to do with those pointy thingies. However, my attempts to pull off the trick so far have failed. Care to repost, LinCA?

      July 4, 2011 at 7:29 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Oh, one went through! I thinks that's the one where I put '' between the two Fs in ef-ffing. I think that is exactly what LinCA suggested the other day. Let me try again: effing

      July 4, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Not to steal LinCA's thunder, as I was most impressed when I first saw this and it was explained...

      Let's say you want to use the word "document" – rather than inserting a sapce (' ') or a period ('.') to defeat the "moderator", LinCA's method is to use HTML markup. "Document" is done by typing "document".

      July 4, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
    • John Richardson

      What the ... Well, now I managed to go through but couldn't post what I did, and also managed to change everything to bold. Clearly I'm still in over my head here!!!

      July 4, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Well I guess I'm not as smart as I thought...

      I tried to use the pre element to expose what was actually typed but it allows for some HTML formatting so it didn't work as expected. Here is how I did "document with a period between each/every character:

      d.o.c...u.m.e.n.t

      The ., without the spaces, fools the blog moderator.

      July 4, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Yikes – foiled again!

      You need a start element and and end element.

      One more try: doc/b>ument

      July 4, 2011 at 7:48 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Last try to expose the magic:

      doc<b></b>ument

      July 4, 2011 at 7:52 pm |
    • Tricky Nick

      sıɥʇ ǝʞıl ʇı op uɐɔ noʎ ʎʞɔıɹʇ ƃuıʞɔ ʎllɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ ɟı

      I don't know how to italicize yet though. Lin?

      July 5, 2011 at 12:04 am |
    • LinCA

      @Tricky Nick, et al.

      "consti<b></b>tution" prints as "constitution"
      "<b>bold</b>" prints as "bold"
      "<i>italics</i>" prints as "italics"

      July 5, 2011 at 1:00 am |
    • Nick Is Happy

      boldThis is italicsreally fucking bolditalicscool, but a bit slow.

      July 5, 2011 at 1:53 am |
    • Nick Is Happy

      Ooops! That did not work out right.

      ¿pǝʇɹǝʌuı ʞɹoʍ ʇı sǝop

      July 5, 2011 at 1:59 am |
    • Nick Is Very Happy

      LinCA, you have proven yourself to be the one true God! I kowtow and prostrate myself and do all that other obsequious religious toady stuff.

      Я благодарю Вас

      I pray that you share the following Revelation with us? How do we do colored text, like green or purple?

      July 5, 2011 at 2:08 am |
    • LinCA

      @Nick,

      Never tried colored text, but let's see what happens. For green text the tags would be:
      "<font color="green">green</font>" prints as "green"

      July 5, 2011 at 10:12 am |
    • Nick

      Is this green?"

      July 5, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • Nick

      Well, it's a really really really dark shade of green.

      [html]I hope this will be green[/html]

      July 5, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
    • Nick

      Is this green?

      July 5, 2011 at 1:53 pm |
  2. Trey

    Peace4all, John R is a very good poster, as are you. Thank you for your insightful posts. Too bad certain posters can't post like you.

    July 4, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
    • Trey

      I mean peace2all. Sorry.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
    • Qrius

      What's all that brown sh-it covering your face, tray?

      July 4, 2011 at 5:48 pm |
    • Trey

      Qrius, you make no sense, coward.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
    • Trey

      Peace2All and John R, have a good night. I have to start heading back up to my duty station before the weather gets too bad. Stay safe and have a wonderful Independence Day.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:53 pm |
    • Jon

      QRIUS, your troll face is showing.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:54 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Have a great Fourth, Trey! Hope to see you back!

      July 4, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
    • Qrius

      Yeah, come on back for more abuse, tray, you sinner! You deserve it all. Every last drop, you sick fu-ck pretending to be in the military. Go suck yo mamma's ass.

      July 4, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Trey

      Thank you ! Happy 4th to you, as well.

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 4, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
  3. RedneckBear

    A friend of mine believes in the ancient Egyptian beliefs. That's his choice and he will die with this choice.
    He told me, Amun-Ra is a loving God, not like the one god in the bible that judges all.
    Yes, upon our death he believes we will be judged by the good things we did on this earth verses the bad things...If you've been a really bad person all of your life being the “judge,” watch out. Remember there's the scale that weighs ones heart against the feather.

    July 4, 2011 at 5:44 pm |
    • Qrius

      boy, that sure was on-topic. Thanks for coming out.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
  4. Faithful

    Consider this...Look at the sad life Madalyn Murray O'Hair led.She was perhaps the most famous atheist of all time. She died in a horrifying way...Kidnapped with her family...Murdered...Chopped in pieces....Wikipedia it all. When you love others & trust in God it comes back to you ten-fold.
    Wingrove looks like a regular guy...smooth really...but he's angry & sad every day. I know him & he's nobody special. Nobody we should listen too. He takes great joy & delight in the sins of man. Listen to him & you will find yourself unhappy & alone. He says he is not preaching. But he is. That's his only job. It fills his every moment in every day. He hates Christmas, Easter & now he is here preaching to us on the 4th of July! God Bless America !

    July 4, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Yeah, Madalyn Murray O'Hair had a hard life and met a horrifying end. So what?

      You'll notice that none of us atheists will go around lying and claiming that it was some religionist who did her in, because it wasn't. She was killed by one of her own employees out of greed for her supposed stash of gold bars, which proved to be just as ephemeral as Saddam Hussein's WMDs.

      None of that has squat to do with whether religion is true or not. That's a proposition that's dependent on the quality of the EVIDENCE, not the character of the person who's presenting it.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:43 pm |
    • Jon

      Wow, that is a truly sad story. Be that as it may, its also disgusting of you to imply that she somehow deserved this for not trusting in god.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
    • Qrius

      What a steaming pile of dung you are, "faithful". How come people like you are allowed to use computers is beyond me.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:52 pm |
    • AirborneMedic/FirefighterParamedic

      God would have saved her if she had become Christian?? Please go away. You are honestly a damaged person.

      July 4, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
    • Faithful

      When you love God, it comes back & you have joy. Negative actions will bring the negative back to you one million fold. Just sayin', do you want to lead a properous & happy life? Joy & contentment? God is the only way Dude. My church is growing by leaps & bounds. It has a young hip congregation. We are rockin'! We are happy to praise God! People come because they are unhappy in a Godless life. They are looking for meaning in life. They find it in church. The place is packed every Sunday. They are ministering all over the world. We are here to say "Jesus Saves!"

      July 4, 2011 at 6:01 pm |
    • John Richardson

      The faithful won't meet horrible deaths? Tell that to St Peter!!!!!!

      July 4, 2011 at 6:03 pm |
    • Shadowfighter

      You are implying that an atheist experiencing a horrible death is reason to believe. Is it reason to not believe when believers die horrible deaths? Is it reason to not believe when atheists live long, happy, productive lives? Is it reason to believe in Vishnu if a Christian chokes on Indian food?

      July 4, 2011 at 6:08 pm |
    • Faithful

      I'm not implying it. I'm saying it!

      July 4, 2011 at 6:12 pm |
    • 74duki

      Rick Wingrove IS a regular guy, but he's not sad or angry, nor does he preach. You don't know him. I do because I've known him since 1983 and been his companion for over 14 years. We have two terrific girls who recently graduated from college. We have great careers and are very happy. Do not assume atheists are unhappy.

      The banners are for atheists who feel alone and are afraid of coming out. They are not directed at you. We're using a page from the LGBT playbook to energize our base. Please respect that.

      July 4, 2011 at 7:07 pm |
    • Faithful

      74duki, I have a different opinion of Rick obviously. I DO know him & I know you as well. He is not a regular guy, or he would not be spewing hate against God & those that believe in this manner. This army of obnoxious bloggers only showed how "low class" & unintelligent this is. Continue to spend money on silly banners that fly over our countryside. Knock yourself out. It only serves to energize those who love Jesus, God & the Holy Spirit. 😉

      July 4, 2011 at 8:24 pm |
    • Magic

      Faithful,

      Fantasies can be fun, comforting and thrilling. That does not make them real.

      July 5, 2011 at 2:08 am |
    • Faithful

      I doubt any banners flew at all. There are no "millions" of atheists who are behind you. This is all a big goof, just like you Rick Wingrove. CNN will realize your claims & viewpoint is false. Fake campaign Dude. Big 'ole lie & fabrication. I've let it go as long as I've known you. No more. I am awake & will expose your cowardice & unpopularity. It's all lies. Pack of lies. The Christian church is not a "Mom & Pop" little quiet group. You have awakened the calm & sleeping Giant. Huge mistake on your part. People will not put up with your nonsense. Your sham, your "fakeout" will be exposed.

      July 5, 2011 at 7:16 am |
  5. Jeremy H

    Why is atheism in the "BELIEF" blog?

    July 4, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Go ahead and use CNN's "Contact us" link to suggest a better place.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
    • Qrius

      Hell, just go somewhere else, Jeremy. We don't need you here either.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:53 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Jeremy H

      You said "Why is atheism in the "BELIEF" blog?"

      Because lack of belief is the flip side of the same coin.

      July 4, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
    • Scott

      What? I should be on the golf channel?

      July 6, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
  6. Larry L

    I'm an atheist who spent 34 years defending our nation in the United States Army. Evangelical Christians (what we're really talking about here) have no absolute claim to patriotism. Atheists have too long allowed their rights to be trampled by the Christian right-wing. Interesting to note that in a time of huge financial deficits nobody is mentioning the tax exempt money that goes to churches. Why should you be allowed to direct your funds towards religion while others are forced to reduce benefits and increase taxes to make up for the loss? I know the televangelist with the slicked-back hair, the wife with too much make-up, and the mansion on the hill need to maintain a lifestyle... Wasting your hard-earned money on a con-artist is your right, but why should I pay for it?

    July 4, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
    • Jon

      Thank you for your service.

      -Sincerely, a fellow heathen.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Larry L

      Thank you for your service to our country.

      And... Nice post... Well said.

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 4, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
    • GrammarGod

      If THIS is your only complaint about how you've been trampled upon by Christians (those nasty violent tramplers) then why aren't you furious about what Obama is doing to you? He's not just trampling people's in this country, he's downright crippling this nation as a whole.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
    • Qrius

      Good fu-cking grief it's another dipsh-it Republitard come to save us from Obama! Herp derp.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:34 pm |
    • John Richardson

      @Larry L Thank you for your service and for sharing your integrity with us!

      July 4, 2011 at 5:34 pm |
    • GrammarGod

      I'm not even a Republican! And the obligatory "thanks for serving our country" still doesn't mean this guy isn't a moron. He's complaining about church taxes while our president is trying to destroy this country. I'd hate to think this guy wasted his time thinking he was defending his country from Christians like Jerry! I honestly don't believe the person who wrote this is over the age of 25.

      Thanks for serving our country. You're still an idiot.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Evidence that Obama is "trying to destroy our country" is about as abundant as evidence that "there's gotta be SOMETHING after we die". No matter how much you may WANT to believe it, just saying it doesn't make it so.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
    • GrammarGod

      Oh Richard, you poor soul. You cannot distinguish two concepts carefully enough to understand why you misunderstand. You may say there is no evidence of life after death, or that there isn't. In both cases, there are no hard numbers to back it up. But with government and economics, you better darn well believe there is evidence all around us! The numbers are everywhere!

      July 4, 2011 at 5:53 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Why on Earth would Obama be TRYING to destroy the country? He's not an end-of-days religious zealot who thinks it would be a GOOD thing. (Here picture Michele Bachmann.) This is a guy who's spent his entire life trying to HELP people. Your pretense to knowing his secret intentions is just a product of your fevered imagination or (more likely) your 1-side-only "news" sources.

      July 4, 2011 at 6:16 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Glad you mentioned "evidence", GrammarGod, because you were the one who asserted "Obama is trying to destroy this country". This is a guy who has command, at his sole word, of the world's most potent nuclear stockpile. If he were TRYING to destroy the country, as you assert, he could've ginned up a plausible excuse for doing so before the end of his 1st 10 months in office, back in 2009.

      July 4, 2011 at 6:18 pm |
  7. To all atheists that they maybe driven back to their senses

    "Godless America"?

    How presumptous. Let me remind you that you don't represent America even a quart of it. Better you should put yourselves in the proper place than becoming worthy of all the insults.

    Just a friendly advice, why not change it to God Bless Atheists, sorry I mean Godless Atheists? I think you can fly the ad 24/7 or 24/365 (if you wish) free from hassle until all of you get broke. Definitely, everybody could careless about it.

    July 4, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Why do you call hostile verbiage "friendly advice"?

      July 4, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
    • AirborneMedic/FirefighterParamedic

      Anyone that thinks differently than you is wrong. I have no quarrel with what you believe, so have the common decency to offer the same in return.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      I think you missed the joke, John. The banner took the trite phrase "God Bless America" and did a little edit on it, replacing the "B" with a hyphen. A bit obscure, I acknowledge, but kinda funny once it's explained, doncha think?

      July 4, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
    • Qrius

      That's just stupid as fu-ck.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
    • John Richardson

      @RichardSRussell No, I got THAT part and tend to agree that that particular slogan was a bit "in your face" and suspect that the people who did the word play got a bit lost in a fairly lame attempt at cleverness. What I don't get is why this poster called his counter-rant "friendly advice"/

      July 4, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
    • GrammarGod

      LOL @ Richard – You don't pay very good attention. Did you think the original phrase was "God Bless In America"? You really are hungover today eh? Haha cheers matey!

      July 4, 2011 at 5:59 pm |
    • John Richardson

      @GrammarGod Um, I think there's a saying about glass houses and throwing rocks that applies here ...

      July 4, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
    • Atheist rock hard

      So basically what your saying is, "you are in the minority so it is ok for me to make you feel like crap for not agreeing with me that there is a god?"

      The reason these banners are flying is to bring the light to those truly poor souls who doubt your silly little delusion and feel like they are the only ones who feel that way because they are surrounded by bigots like yourself. let me share a quote with you, its one of my favorites about the sweet little fallacy you are pulling here:

      "One of the proofs of the immortality of the soul is that myriads believe it, they also believed the world was flat" – Mark Twain

      The ships have sailed.. pretty soon everyone will know the world aint flat.. so go ahead and fear the loss of your indoctrinating, pedophilia ridden, culture stifling and knowledge stopping beliefs. BUT DO NOT SPEND YOUR TIME SPREADING MORE HATE IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. If it wasn't for people like you we wouldn't have to defend our "minority".

      July 4, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
    • rock hard-headed atheists

      "minority" as-in 2-3% of earth's entire populace.

      July 5, 2011 at 11:45 am |
    • rock hard-headed atheists

      "minority" is where atheists belong.

      July 5, 2011 at 11:47 am |
    • Hazel

      Just to let everyone know, the latest polls by Pew show that number to be more like 10 percent.
      The truth is very likely a little bit more, as there are plenty who will not risk their place in the status quo for an ill-considered moment of openness about their lack of faith.

      Even Mother Teresa did not believe in your Christian "god" and the Vatican kept a lid on it for some time.
      A great many people have many reasons for not telling anyone how they really feel about their "religion", so I am expecting the percentage of atheists to the population to be higher for that reason.

      There is no way to discern who honestly believes in a "god" as opposed to those that do not yet pretend that they do for money or power / influence.
      Just think about that for a moment:
      The biggest pathological liar could become a religious figure / leader and simply let the money roll in from those who cannot tell they have a criminal in their midst. No way to tell at all.

      You know why?
      It's because religions and believers require NO PROOF that someone is lying about their faith.

      If you cannot get any proof (and you can't because your "god" does not exist ), then anyone can say anything at all with the most evil of intentions and they will not be questioned or examined beyond the limits of dogma.

      Consider that real loophole in all religions: No proof needed for any part of the religion.

      This, then, is the safest haven for any criminal who is willing to use a religion to get what they desire, freely and easily.

      Being such an obvious haven for criminals, religion draws them like flies. They are all over the place in every religion man has ever made up.

      The history of religion is overflowing with criminal behavior.
      It is a magnet for crime and protects the criminals with the fake authority of the "god" without proof of any sort.
      They are given free rein to do whatever evil deed they think they can get away with under the color of the religious authority that is made up out of thin air.

      Fabricated. All of it.

      And who is so simple-minded that they would think liars had nothing to do with creating the religion itself!
      Within these religions:
      Ritual becomes hypnosis.
      Indoctrination becomes slavery.
      And tradition becomes LAW to rule them all with an iron fist.
      Such is religion.

      The "after death" thing is just a way of "deferring" the justice they would feel in this life. That it also does double (triple, etc) duty as a method of fear-mongering, panacea, and "all encompassing" iron fist of the fraud itself, should not bother anyone who cannot face the truth of the matter. If you have been suckered in, you will be const-itutionally incapable of facing anything that could lead to questioning the "faith" that has wrapped it's tentacles around your mind.
      Religion is just another way to make slaves out of free people.

      You religious people are slaves for the most part, chained to the engine of greed, lust, etc, desire for money and power and locked in by your need for acceptance within a group of any sort. Most humans have a deep need to "belong" to a group.

      These are very primitive emotions and very powerful in some people.
      And humans are vulnerable to false information in a big way.
      Criminals take advantage of this to conceal their crimes.
      Many criminals seek to hide their crimes, not just the ones hiding within a religion.

      And religion requires no proof other than someone saying that something is so. The perfect fraud!

      Tricks can show false proof, but no real proof exists as shown by all of human history, but that's okay, since no proof is required to "believe" in something untrue. That is how fraud works. False information to conceal the criminal activity of the fraudster.

      Notice that it is ONLY untrue things that cannot EVER provide REAL proof.

      I do not need to cover all of physics to test the assertion that there is a "god" who runs the whole universe.
      There isn't even any proof that there is a "god" that runs a TINY piece of this universe!
      There isn't any proof of a god even at the quantum level!

      Face it, people, religion IS a fraud.
      And another proof of that is in ALL the billions of false claims made by religions and "members", NONE of which has EVER been able to show any real evidence or proof to support these claims at ANY POINT at any time throughout known history.

      That is ALL the claims made by religions throughout history, not just the ones we have now.
      Not a single shred of proof for any of them.
      Sounds like it's beyond a reasonable doubt to me.
      Religion = proven false = fraud on a massive scale.

      Guilty on ALL COUNTS!

      July 6, 2011 at 7:12 am |
  8. HERO

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMXQq2WsiVA&w=640&h=360]

    July 4, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Has anybody bothered to watch this yet? If so, is it worth 3 minutes of my life? (Note that I consider those 3 minutes well spent if I'm laffing uproariously at completely outrageous crrapola.)

      July 4, 2011 at 6:48 pm |
    • John Richardson

      It's actually three hours long ... I watched four minutes just to see. Just lame.

      July 4, 2011 at 7:35 pm |
  9. A survivor

    Billy Graham a prophet of our modern world once said "he never saw an atheist on his dying bed, stay an atheist".

    July 4, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
    • Jon

      He probably never saw an atheist on his dieing bed then.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
    • Susan

      That's hilarious! How many atheists call Billy Graham to their death beds??

      July 4, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      In the literal sense, this is undoubtedly true. Once you're dead, you no longer have opinions of any kind.

      I could equally well say that I never saw a Christian on his deathbed STAY a Christian.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
    • Al

      That's.another great thing about about Christianity. You can be the most gruesome mass murderer of all time but just before they administer the death penalty you can repent and spend eternity in heaven. You will be there along side Jim Jones, Jim Baker, Jimmy Swagart, Warren Jeffs as well as other fine Christians. No thanks. I would rather be in hell with the thinkers.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:30 pm |
    • Qrius

      Billy Graham is a sick fu-ck and I hope he dies an agonizing death for being such a liar his whole life.

      July 4, 2011 at 6:08 pm |
    • John Richardson

      The fact that Christians feel both the need and the right to lie incessantly about deathbed conversions and "no atheists in foxholes and such crap is all the proof you need that they tend to be wolves in sheeps' clothing, and the sheep costumes really aren't convincing at all.

      July 4, 2011 at 6:08 pm |
    • Faithful

      Great quote! Yes, ministers see unbelievers all the time. They are sometimes wanted by other family members for important moments in life. Marriage, illness or death would be some key events they are sometimes asked to help with. Love it & thank you for sharing. 🙂

      July 4, 2011 at 6:38 pm |
    • tallulah13

      "I could equally well say that I never saw a Christian on his deathbed STAY a Christian."

      That's a good one, RichardSRussell.

      I find it entirely arrogant, yet completely in character, for these evangelistic types to lie through their teeth.

      July 5, 2011 at 2:06 am |
  10. Emmanuel Goldstien

    How many flying spaghetti monster comments have been made so far?

    July 4, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • Jon

      I lost count when it got pasta 100.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Emmanuel Goldstien & Jon

      RA-men !

      Peace...

      July 4, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
    • Clarck Brassplate

      I'm not sure the actual figures but I'm certain that they are dying to fly the ad now.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  11. Eric

    This guy is kind of incoherent. I'm atheist, for the record.

    July 4, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • Qrius

      You're kind of incoherent yourself. Just for the record.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
  12. Matt Cesca

    I'm an atheist, and I've never understood these people who go out and evangelize atheism as if it's some sort of faith. To me it sort of misses the whole point.

    July 4, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • rachel

      Matt-these people help define our laws, teach our children, etc. To be live and let live no longer applies. I say, say our peace, respectfully, but damn it, say it.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • Matt Cesca

      Rachel – True, but there's a point when you become part of the larger problem – which is that it somehow became ok in this country for everyone to sell belief (or lack there of) door to door like it's a vacuum cleaner.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
    • SAR

      I agree.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      But we atheists AREN'T advertising it as if "it's some sort of faith". Quite the contrary. Faith is a stupid reason for believing in anything. And it CERTAINLY isn't the foundation of atheism.

      If it helps, think of us more as like the travel agent who's trying to get you interested in a trip to Hawaii. You might not be able to afford it, or even WANT to go, but you wouldn't hold it against a guy for trying, would you?

      July 4, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
    • Unbeliever

      It's not evangelism. It's education. These people are trying to teach creationism in schools as science. They are telling my kids that we are going to hell. These campaigns also let others know they are not alone and that it's okay to be an atheist.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
    • Free

      Matt
      Like rachel said, these people are making decisions that affect us all. How 'respectful of other beliefs' do you think the average Christian is to the folks who rely on their zodiac for everyday guidance? How would they react to a president who said that he based his foreign policy on what the stars told him? Just as we atheists reacted to Bush, right?

      July 4, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
    • Free

      Someone who looks at all of the stars in the night sky and believes that they somehow foretell their personal future, or someone who just sees stars; which person has faith in their beliefs?

      July 4, 2011 at 6:33 pm |
  13. Tim Jordan

    What's great about this country is that there's no state-sponsored church or faith. This isn't a Christian nation. Funny how the religious in this country panic when they're reminded that you can believe or disbelieve according to your conscience. Everyday I see faith nonsense in the media and it's nice to see the atheist point-of-view. What are the Christians afraid of, the truth?

    July 4, 2011 at 5:04 pm |
    • Qrius

      Yep. They can't handle the truth, or Jack Nicholsen's baggy moobs, either.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • Trey

      Richard, I am just doing the same thing as you. What proof do you have nothing happens after death? Where is your proof? Give me something, I will give you my thoughts on why I believe. Where's your credibility? I will quit throwing strawman arguments if you do.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Well, Trey, my proof is that dead bodies just lie there and start to rot. Any of them. All of them. Look at any one you want, that's what's happening with it. If THAT'S all you mean by "something after death", I will gladly concede your point and apologize for misunderstanding you. IS that all you mean?

      July 4, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
  14. Trey

    John, I do agree with that one. I have read things from atheists that have had near death experiences which caused them to change their mind about their beliefs on death. It's probably not the Christian afterlife that many Christians believe, but it is something. I mean, you can't just assume that once we are dead then we are dead. Something has to happen afterwards, besides natural decomposition of our bodies. I don't believe in the whole Hell thing, because an all loving God would do that, but many Christians seem to believe that God will send people to Hell if they don't accept Jesus. Does that somewhat make sense to you?

    July 4, 2011 at 5:03 pm |
    • Qrius

      Ha ha, what a pack of BS. Why don't you go cry on Glen Beck's shoulder, Trey? He has some burnin man-love for you!

      July 4, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • Jon

      'you can't just assume that once we are dead then we are dead'

      There is no indication whatsoever that any animal continues to exist in ANY way after its own death. So it is absurd to assert that such must be assumed.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Trey

      Did you post this under the wrong thread...? Just checking as we were having this discussion back on page # 12.

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 4, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
    • Trey

      Qrius, what the hell does Glenn Beck have to do with this? What a moron.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
    • Trey

      Peace2all, no. I brought it to this page on purpose. I did respond to you on the last page though.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:10 pm |
    • Trey

      Jon, actually that was for John Richardson, but thank you for your input. However, it's not absurd if you have a decent reading comprehension.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      "I mean, you can't just assume that once we are dead then we are dead."

      There is absolutely no evidence of anything to the contrary. Dead is dead. Ain't no comin' back from it.

      "Something has to happen afterwards, ..."

      Why? Why does something HAVE to happen? Who MAKES it happen? HOW does it happen? WHY is it required?

      July 4, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Trey

      O.K... I posted this on the other page, so... I brought it over here to you on this page/thread.

      Well, I only have 'my' experience to go off of. And, I have to be very careful to 'not' assume that just because, my awareness(again beyond words to accurately explain here) went on... after I was 'near' death for a period of time, does not mean... that it proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt that 'personal awareness' continues.

      Who knows...?

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 4, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
    • Trey

      Richard, because you ignorant atheists can't prove otherwise.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
    • Trey

      Peace2All, that's true. However, every time I read and listen to near death experiences they all sound the same. They saw their relatives and so forth. I'd like to hear yours too, if you don't mind. They are really fascinating.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
    • Al

      We are just another species on this planet. Why should we be any different than the others. Maybe you believe all dogs go to heaven?

      July 4, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
    • Trey

      Al, we aren't different. We all evolved from something. Something's gotta happen to them after death.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • Lee S

      Excuse me but why does something have to happen? Just because its really scary and its the end? Sad, but true. What was it like before you were born will be what is is like after youre dead, They are the same really, you wont know the difference.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
    • Trey

      Lee, death's not scary. Depressing yes, but scary not so much. Unless you can prove there is no God I still don't really care what you have to say.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
    • Susan

      One of the biggest reasons for religion is to allow people to think that we don't die. Some magical explanation will ensure our immortality. It's scary to think about death, so we prefer to believe in heaven. The he'll came later, to control the masses, but that's another rant!

      July 4, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Trey writes: "Something's gotta happen to them after death."

      But why? Why do you think this? What have you ever seen happen to ANY living creature after it's died other than it just lies there, dead, and starts to rot? Don't just keep SAYING the same thing over and over; that's clearly not convincing anybody. Give us some EVIDENCE that anything at all happens. Give us a REASON to believe what you're saying. Otherwise, you're just a blowhard, expecting us to take your word for it, after you've already shot your credibility to hell on so many other subjects.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Trey

      As I hinted at, it is 'beyond words' to convey. It was ineffable.

      My only point being here, is... just because, some of us have had an experience of 'continuation' upon 'near' death, doesn't automatically mean or = there is absolutely continuation after death.

      Maybe... maybe not. But, given the fact that I have had one, it certainly gives me a unique perspective on being able to comment on this.

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 4, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
    • Jon

      My reading comprehension is fine, thanks for showing concern. Your premise is still flawed, it is not a good argument to assume absurdities until proven wrong.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
    • Trey

      Richard, resorting to insults, eh? You have nothing intelligent to say? I said I believe. I never said that I was right, but you, claim that you know for a fact that there is NO life after death. I'm waiting to see your evidence, since you claim that you are right without any proof. You, sir, have ZERO credibility.

      I have much more credibility than you could ever hope to have. What have you ever done for your country? When was the last time you donated blood?

      July 4, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Reports of NDEs and some of my own experiences are among the reasons I pull back from applying the 'atheist' label to myself. I've been using 'agnostically tinged neo-animist' as the best label I can come up with. Yeah, it lacks the sort of theo-philosophical machismo that makes swaggering around the town square proclaiming easy for some, but I consider that a virtue. For whatever else I may or may not believe or suspect, I am quite certain that nothing of spiritual consequence is contingent on signing up with the "right" fraternity (ie religious sect or philosophical belief system) during life. THAT is simply ridiculous.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
    • Trey

      Peace 2 All, like I said earlier, life after death is not something you can just shoot down just because some don't want to believe it. If they don't want to believe that's fine, but for people to come on here acting like they know for a fact that nothing happens is quite irritating. If you are going to act certain then I want proof. You have actually been quite reasonable with your approach on the subject.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:30 pm |
    • JGannon

      To me, the idea of God as advertised is incredibly more scary than his/its obvious non-existence. How could you possibly want an all-knowing, all-powerful being that watches over you at all times, knows your innermost thoughts, and expects you to apologize every other day for your countless sins? He has the power to fix all things evil/bad yet chooses not to in his oh-so-mysterious ways only to 'reward' you once you're dead and can't file a complaint for not paying up...

      Baaahh goes the Sheep.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
    • Trey

      John Richardson, thank you for the reasonable response. I am the same way, I don't know if he is real or not. I don't try to prove or disprove his existence, because I know I can't. If I resorted to any insults to you I do apologize, since you are pretty reasonable. My main concern is those who automatically shoot down an opinion just because it doesn't go with their own. Something may or may not happen. Only time will tell.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Well, Trey, since you asked, I'm scheduled for my regular apheresis donation tomoro (since the Red Cross always needs extra around holiday weekends), which will get me most of the way to my 33rd gallon.

      Not that that is even remotely relevant to what I have to say about atheism or religion, but it DOES serve rather handsomely to erode whatever residual credibility you might think you have.

      You STILL have not indicated in any way, shape, form, fashion, or manner why there HAS to be "something after death", an assertion you have made repeatedly and utterly, completely failed to back up with anything other than your own word for it, which, as I accurately noted, is hardly an objective source of real information about ANYTHING.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:35 pm |
    • Lee S

      Trey, youre skipping around the real question that many people have asked and yourself really, WHY does something have to happen? Answer me that. Everything has an end. Your atoms and the matter that makes you who you are will be going on to prosper in other objects be they animate or inanimate. What if your consciousness gets stuck in a chair? So I think youre going to say youre "soul" goes on. What proof is there we have a soul? Can you measure how much soul one has?(Im not black I really wouldnt know j/k) If something that is not detectable or measurable "goes on" how could it go on to anywhere from somewhere if it doesnt exist in the first pace?

      July 4, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Trey

      I, like my fellow poster -John R., I believe... have some pretty similar takes on things.

      Thank you for your 'compliment'... as I do try to be 'reasonable' and not 'assume' anything as best I can, even though, I have had certain experiences that could very easily lead me to state ...yes, there is...

      Again, thanks for the compliment.

      Happy 4th to you.

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 4, 2011 at 5:40 pm |
    • Qrius

      Trey, you sure are stupid to swallow what liars give you. But then you probably suck it all up like a good little boy.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:40 pm |
    • Shaun

      Atheists aren't required to hold a specific belief on the afterlife. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in a god. Just because there may be an after life does not necessarily mean there is a god.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:40 pm |
    • Trey

      Lee, I'm not skipping anything. I said I don't know if anything happens after death, but who are you to know nothing happens after death? I've not gotten one intelligent response from an atheist. Some of my beliefs come from many near death experiences I have heard. Some of my belief comes from how we all got here in the first place. Yet, I have heard nothing from you anti-believers.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
    • Trey

      Qrius, yes. Calling people stupid again. Why am I not surprised? You have yet backed anything up on your belief. As I said, I don't know what happens after death, because I can neither prove nor disprove. I rather believe and be wrong than not to believe and be wrong.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:44 pm |
    • AirborneMedic/FirefighterParamedic

      Trey, the burden of proof is on you and your fellow Theists. We literally have nothing to prove.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:54 pm |
    • John Richardson

      @Trey If you hang around, you will find that there are people like Peace2All and me who are open to spiritual ideas who nonetheless post almost entirely on the side of the atheists re theo-political disputes (eg gay rights, secularism) and even on some fairly "pure" theological matters. And that's because most of the atheists show more tolerance than most of the Christians (and occasional Muslims), though I hasten to add that there are noble exceptions amongst believers and one particularly ignoble atheist ho-mo-phobe. Also, neither Peace2All nor I go around saying that this or that MUST be true, ie that there MUST be some sort of divinity or afterlife or .... And that makes it easy to make friends amongst atheists and agnostics, who are being honest when they say that they don't care what you believe, but can get riled when you claim to know something that is otherworldy in nature. Take NDEs. That such experiences happen rather regularly as people near death is certainly at least of some psychological significance and MAY point to something of vastly greater significance. But precisely because those who report them are revived, that makes them strictly speaking non-evidentiary about what happens truly AFTER death. When someone comes back from being cremated and reports an afterlife, I'm sure everyone will be all ears. Till then, the same scientific skepticism that has worked so well in other domains counsels that one not read overly much into them. Might atheists be overly dismissive? Yeah, I think so. But what does it matter? They really, really don't care if you believe differently. But when you come in shouting at them and claiming that you KNOW that they are wrong, they will react as they have here. Tone it down and you'll find that they will, too.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:56 pm |
    • Qrius

      Hey, tray, you are so stupid you forgot to answer the question everybody keep tossing at you. What's wrong, forgot how to make sh-it up again? God, you are so fu-cking stupid!

      July 4, 2011 at 5:58 pm |
    • John Richardson

      @Shaun That is correct. The question of an afterlife is separate from the question about the existence of god, let alone a personal god like Zeus or Jehovah.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:59 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @John R.

      Couldn't have said it better, my friend !

      Happy 4th to you and yours.

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 4, 2011 at 6:03 pm |
    • Dude-ington

      Trey, your response to the question of "Why? Why does something HAVE to happen? Who MAKES it happen? HOW does it happen? WHY is it required?" was "Richard, because you ignorant atheists can't prove otherwise." That sentence itself contains two logical fallacies. The first is an ad hominem, which is an attack, not on the idea, but on the person. This adds nothing to the conversation. The second fallacy is the Argument from Ignorance. You say that atheists cannot prove that an afterlife exists, which would be a good argument if you then had proff of why there is an afterlife. But you don't, leaving your argument void. To say one side does not have proof was only to disguise the fact that your side does not have proof either.

      July 4, 2011 at 6:07 pm |
    • Qrius

      Don't waste your time trying to explain anything to trey, he's too fu-cking stupid to understand complicated sh-it liek that.

      July 4, 2011 at 6:12 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Back atcha, Peace!

      July 4, 2011 at 6:15 pm |
    • John Richardson

      @Al I work with dogs and can say that I have met a lot more dogs than people who are worthy of going to heaven. In any case, the Christian "heaven" is only one conception of an afterlife, anyway. But as Trey seems to have implied, yes, if the afterlife is available to any species, it should be available to all. I consider that obvious.

      July 4, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Trey

      You said "However, every time I read and listen to near death experiences they all sound the same. They saw their relatives and so forth."
      I fail to see how a near death experiences can shed any light on what may or may not happen after death. Someone who has a near death experience isn't dead yet.

      July 4, 2011 at 9:59 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Did you know that near death experiences can be replicated using high-gravity? When a pilot experiencing high Gs is close to passing out, they can get the whole white light, etc. experience. It's like alien abductions - the phenomena of sleep paralysis easily explains those. The brain is the first place to look when you experience something that seems supernatural. You can usually find the explanation in your head.

      I have no problem with believing that when a being dies, they are dead. It's logical. What is not logical is that there is a superior being who created us, judges us on whether or not we obey rules from a book that was written by bronze age people, then either takes us to paradise or sends us to burn in a pit of fire for all eternity. Frankly the whole thing sounds exactly like what it is: a tale told by people with limited understanding of the world around them, for the purpose of creating cultural unity.

      July 5, 2011 at 2:21 am |
    • Scott

      I'm about as achiest as a person can be; but, show me a god, religion and dogma the makes SEANCE. And I'll sign up today. It's that seance part that's hard to come by

      July 5, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
  15. Furunculus

    I don't care about your beliefs, you don't care about mine. That's one of the great freedoms in America that most of us are celebrating today. They have every right to fly their little banners and yell, "look at me! I'm against the grain and cool!" Just as I have every right to look up and call them a booger-eating moron.

    July 4, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
    • Qrius

      Wow, what a mature outlook you have, Furunculus. Next you'll be calling us all poo-poo-heads.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • Furunculus

      No, Qrius, That term is reserved for politicians. 😉

      July 4, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
    • Qrius

      If you don't care, why are you even here? No, you're pretty dumb about that. Sorry, frusansdli, you still suck.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
    • Scott

      Ramen!!!!

      July 5, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
  16. John

    This comment section has went full retard.

    July 4, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
    • John Richardson

      It has GONE. What, is this participle screw up day here at the wonderful old CNN belief blog?

      July 4, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
    • Jon

      You never go full retard.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
    • Qrius

      has went?

      July 4, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
    • Peace2All

      ...re-TARD... Love it from the 'Hangover'...!

      Peace...

      July 4, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
    • GrammarGod

      How DARE you use the word went???????? And you people who say to use "gone" are morons too! The proper word should be "become".

      July 4, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
    • John Richardson

      You looking for a Holy War, GrammarGod? That can be obliged! 😀

      July 4, 2011 at 6:28 pm |
  17. Jeff

    Actual commandment : You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour. So in the eyes of God, if you want to have a slave that's OK, Just don't covet your neighbors slave. Go get your own.

    July 4, 2011 at 4:53 pm |
    • midogs2

      Ouch! That stung. lol

      July 4, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
    • Scott

      Ya, I might be a christian except for that part about not coveting you neighbors wife's a$$

      July 5, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
  18. julianpenrod

    I posted a comment at 3:22 p.m. I used no foul language, I did not attack anyone else who had placed a comment, I did not incite doing damage or physically harming anyone. I said, among other things that what those who denounce religion here really are referring to is organized religion, the usurpation of faith by criminal profiteers who use only enough of the belief to keep others following them and contributing to them. Among other things following that, I said that a deal maker, an absolute sign of the rightness of a religion, or someone's following God would be miracles. I said that that's why miracles have been foregone in the recent pas, why religion has become a logical game of proving something without adequate provision for proof, because the crooked ventures hat organized religion represents know they aren't close to od, and they don't want to bring that absolute proof into the question. I said that, if you do not experiece miracles, you;'re not doing it right. Those are points I made. If you can even find my comment, sandwiched between jeron at 3:2o p.m. and Duncan COnstruction also at 3:22. If they allow other computers to see this comment, you will see, at the top, the words, "Your comment is awaiting moderation". Nowhere else have I seen any other comment on this blog annotated that they are awaiting "moderation". By that, they may mean what I saw on other website's blogs, saying my comment wouldn't be placed until it was "approved by a moderator". Evidently, I have truths to say that they don't want you to see!

    July 4, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
    • The realist believer

      Same thing happened to me. I suppose if I got on here and started bashing people then I could have my comments published.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Julian, you are not being singled out for unfair treatment. The line "Your comment is awaiting moderation" is, as you might expect, visible ONLY to the person who tried to post it. (Otherwise, if other people could see it, it wouldn't be "awaiting moderation", would it?)

      CNN does not employ some poor schmuck who has to sit there on the 4th of July, reading all these comments and making snap decisions on the fly as to what's worthy of getting thru and what isn't. It's just a dumb computer program (a nannybot), whose simple-minded instruction set triggers that "awaiting moderation" message whenever it encounters a character string from a small set of "naughty words". Earlier today I myself got whacked for using e n t i t y, s c u m, and s p o o k. You see how easy it is to work around the idiot bot by employing a little creative spelling.

      AFAICT, once something BEGINS to await moderation, nobody ever DOES moderate it. What you should do is copy the text you tried to post, examine it for hidden trigger words, fix those, and immediately REpost it. Don't worry, you aren't spamming the list, since your original post will never get thru, anyway, regardless of CNN's false assurances.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • Qrius

      They have offended the moderator gods! Repent, lest ye find alphabet soup in your water dish!

      July 4, 2011 at 5:10 pm |
    • GrammarGod

      Julien, honestly, I have always thought you were a horrible person, and I think you know are too. There are not enough censors on God's green planet to censor you and that wild mind of yours. Turn away from your evil evil ways, Julien.

      God Bless.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
    • LinCA

      @julianpenrod, and others,

      If "Your comment is awaiting moderation." it won't ever be posted. There are no moderators only automated censoring. You post must have had a forbidden word in it.

      The following words or word fragments will get your post censored (list is incomplete):
      arse
      bastard
      bitch
      cock
      coon
      cum
      cunt
      douche
      effing
      fag
      ftw
      fuck
      homo
      horny
      jackass
      jap
      jism
      kooch
      nipple
      orgy
      pis
      porn
      poo
      prick
      rape
      sex
      shit
      slut
      snatch
      spic
      tit
      twat
      vag
      whore
      wtf

      To fix that you can break up the word by putting an extra character in, like consti.tution (breaking the oh so naughty "tit").

      July 4, 2011 at 9:44 pm |
  19. A survivor

    I never dreamed how deep our self-destructive behaviors go as to convince ourselves that we are nothing, from nothing and when we leave this short life we will be going to nothing....

    I never dreamed how self-destructive we have become as to convince ourselves that we came from nothing, that we are nothing and when we leave this life we are going to nothing!!!I SAD

    July 4, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
    • Jeff

      You know what is really self-destructive? Believing that everything is in the hands of some magical man in the sky.

      July 4, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
    • midogs2

      As with all earths creatures. Of course, they have no feeling souls.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
    • Free

      When faced with reality one can chose either to face it head on, or slip into denial and fantasy. Atheists tend to face reality head on.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:35 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      And I feel sad that I haven't won the lottery and the undying devotion of Michelle Pfeiffer while developing a cure for cancer and claiming my Super Bowl MVP trophy. But wishing doesn't make it so, y'know. Sad story. Too bad if you're too immature or insecure to learn to live with life's little disappointments.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:59 pm |
    • Scott

      Nothing?!!! Get a grip. We are what stars dream of becoming after they die

      July 5, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
  20. Joe Merican

    Being an aetheist is neither patriotic nor non-patriotic. Neither is being religious. They are separate and unrelated. Instead, screaming out that you are atheist, or religious, or gay, etc, etc, etc, is what is unaccpetable. They unacceptable part is not BEING these things, it's getting in somebody's face and insisting that they know and acknowledge that you ARE these things. When people in these groups finally figure out that militancy does not play, they will go a long way towards advancing their own causes. Until such time, they'll be dismissed for their histrionics.

    July 4, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
    • midogs2

      The term is they are mutually exclusive.

      July 4, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
    • Unbeliever

      When Christians stop trying to legislate their beliefs, teach fairy tales as science, and force prayer in schools, and try to make this nation a "Christian" nation, atheists will let up. We have no quarrel with most Christians, most are great people. It's only when they try to force it on everyone else.

      July 4, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
    • Free

      midogs2
      Are you saying that Christians would never put their loyalty to God above their loyalty to the nation? Let's say that the government decided it was in the nation's interest to stop supporting Israel, are you saying that no Christian who believes that Israel still has a role to play in the second coming would be at least tempted into acting treasonously against the US as a result?

      July 4, 2011 at 6:01 pm |
    • midogs2

      @Free, I'm not sure where you are coming from. What I implied is that being patriotic and being a believer in God are aside and seperate from each other. Inre: I, being a man, have an opinion of abortion (being the recipient of a beautiful adopted grand daughter). But I have no right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body. Being mutually exclusive is being mutually exclusive! Your Israel hypothesis is silly!

      July 4, 2011 at 9:30 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Joe Merican

      You said "Being an aetheist is neither patriotic nor non-patriotic. Neither is being religious. They are separate and unrelated."
      I would agree with you to a point. As long as your duty to your religion doesn't supersede your duty to your community/nation. We can't be a civilized nation if we don't all play by the same rules.

      You said "Instead, screaming out that you are atheist, or religious, or gay, etc, etc, etc, is what is unaccpetable. They unacceptable part is not BEING these things, it's getting in somebody's face and insisting that they know and acknowledge that you ARE these things."
      I disagree. Expressing these things IS totally acceptable. Expecting anyone else to act in any way because you believe a certain way, is not.

      You said "When people in these groups finally figure out that militancy does not play, they will go a long way towards advancing their own causes. Until such time, they'll be dismissed for their histrionics."
      Forcing anyone to conform to your beliefs will never fly in a civilized society.

      July 4, 2011 at 9:41 pm |
    • Scott

      Ramen!!!!!

      July 5, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
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