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Christian author: A Mormon should never be president
Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney speaks during last month's CNN presidential debate in New Hampshire.
July 7th, 2011
03:39 PM ET

Christian author: A Mormon should never be president

Tricia Erickson is author of the new book,"Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters? The Mormon Church Versus The Office Of  The Presidency of the United States of America". She runs a communications company, Crisis Management, Incorporated and Angel Pictures & Publicity, a political and entertainment publicity and consulting company that promotes conservative causes and personalities. In an off-set "In the Arena" interview, Erickson shares her insight on why Mormons should not be considered for the White House.

(EDITOR'S NOTE: Due to the provocative–and in some cases, inflammatory– nature of Erickson's answers, we asked for a response from Mormon historian Richard Bushman, the Howard W. Hunter Visiting Professor of Mormon Studies at Claremont Graduate University in California. His remarks follow the answers below, along with reactions from Corey P. Saylor, National Legislative Director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations and Ahmed M. Rehab, Executive Director, CAIR-Chicago.)

You ask, “Can Mitt Romney serve two masters?” He was governor of Massachusetts from 2003 – 2007 and his belief in Mormonism seems to have only served him well. Why would this be different if he were elected president?

Let me say that my book is divided in to two parts. Part I covers the spiritual aspect. Part II covers the political.  Both parts are important when considering voting for this possible front runner.

Read more about Tricia Erickson's allegations against Mormonism on CNN's In the Arena blog
- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Mormonism • TV-In the Arena

soundoff (424 Responses)
  1. AvdBerg

    Tricia Erickson is not a Christian Author. She is spiritually blind and serves a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; 2 Cor. 11:13-15). For a better understanding what it means to be a Christian and what mankind must do to be reunited with God we invite you to read all the pages and articles of the website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    July 7, 2011 at 6:45 pm |
    • gozer

      No True Scotsman.

      July 7, 2011 at 9:34 pm |
  2. Michael

    Essentially the President of the United States actually has a responsibility to act without his religious faith, otherwise he is technically in violation of separation of church and state.

    July 7, 2011 at 6:29 pm |
    • ProTane

      You are correct.

      July 8, 2011 at 7:21 am |
    • Noh

      I agree also. Why don't you run for President, Michael? Or any public office? There are not enough ethical people in charge around here. We need every single one we can get.

      July 8, 2011 at 8:33 am |
    • Lycidas

      One must remember that a President must try to represent all the citizens of the US...even the one's with a religious faith. The President should no dismiss their views anymore than that of atheists.

      July 8, 2011 at 10:02 am |
  3. Artist

    Father in law of Smith
    .
    "'I first became acquainted with Joseph Smith, Jr. in November, 1825. He was at that time in the employ of a set of men who were called ‘money diggers’; and his occupation was that of seeing, or pretending to see by what means of a stone placed in his hat, and his hat closed over his face. In this way he pretended to discover minerals and hidden treasure.

    "'Smith and his father, with several other money-diggers boarded at my house while they were employed in digging for a mine that they supposed had been opened and worked by the Spaniards. Young Smith made several visits at my house, and at length asked my consent to his marrying my daughter Emma. This I refused . . . [H]e was a stranger, and followed a business that I could not approve. . . . Smith stated to me, that he had given up what he called "glass-looking," and that he expected to work hard for a living . . .

    "'Soon after this, I was informed that they had brought a wonderful book of plates down with them . . . The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret, was the same as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, and his hat over his face, while the Book of Plates were at the same time hid in the woods.'"

    July 7, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
    • Artist

      o "There was NOTHING happening in "church history" in the spring of 1825. While post-hoc acc ounts and apo logetics say that Smith spent that time farming, reading the Bible, and being men tored by God and angels, ****the actual his torical do c um entation ****says that he was being ha uled into court for running his "p e ep-sto ning" scam.
      As I've noted many times, the earliest doc u mented ac counts from anyone outside the Smith family which reported any claims about he av enly vis ions and golden plates ori gin ated around the summer of 1827-more than a year AFTER Smith's emba r r a s s ing "gl a s s -looking" court hearing of March 1826. In that hea ring, Smith ad mit ted that his "p e e p-sto ning" practice was all a fraud, and he promised the judge that he would give it up and do honest work. The judge let Smith off based on that promise.
      Smith then e lo p ed with Emma Hale against her father's wishes. When they returned after being mar ried, Is a ac Hale beg ru dg ingly let them live in an old cabin on his property. But then just a few months later, Smith began sp i n n ing his yarn about getting the golden plates from an angel, and claiming that he could tran slate them via the same "p e ep-stoning" mal ar key THAT HE HAD ALREADY ADM I T TED W A S A FRAUD."

      July 7, 2011 at 6:46 pm |
    • Artist

      If this were just a case that involved a young man getting into trouble with the law, Mormon critics would be foolish to spend their time reha shing the story. Most people would allow Joseph Smith the right to make a few youthful mistakes without maintaining that it would seriously affect his role as a prophet. The issue, however, is much more serious than just the tran sgre ssion of an early New York law which many today would regard as antiquated. What is involved here is the question of whether Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God or merely a man entangled in occultic practices. The implications of this matter are very serious indeed. Once we accept the validity of the docu ments concerning Joseph Smith's trouble with the law, we are forced to admit that he was engaging in magical practices at the very time he claimed he was being tu tored by the Angel Moroni to receive the gold plates of the Book of Mormon.

      July 7, 2011 at 6:48 pm |
    • Space Cadet

      @Artist
      So why are there so many spaces in that first post? I found it rather hard to read.

      July 7, 2011 at 7:13 pm |
    • Space Cadet

      No, don't tell me the filter gave you that much trouble! When will CNN fix these things? Is free speech such a terrible thing?

      July 7, 2011 at 7:15 pm |
    • believerofChrist

      "the Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done.” Joseph Smith

      good luck "Artist"

      July 7, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Artist,
      Could you cite your sources please?

      July 7, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
    • Artist

      believerofChrist

      "the Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done.” Joseph Smith

      good luck "Artist"

      --------
      Luck? I just posted some food for thought. What is amazing to me is the self imposed ignorance people put upon themselves. We chuckle at Koresh and think he is absurd and then there are others who follow a man who was clearly a fraud by his own account to start with. Its like you have the guy with the smoking gun standing in front of you and you say nayyyyy. lol

      July 7, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • Artist

      Nonimus

      @Artist,
      Could you cite your sources please?
      -----------–
      Actually no I don't wish to. Whether a person wishes to discount or verify, that is their journey to take. Don't believe me, investigate for yourself.

      July 7, 2011 at 7:47 pm |
    • James

      Artist doesn't have credible sources or logical arguments or facts. He has bigotry, prejudice, and a propensity to present a skewed view of Mormonism and the facts surrounding it.

      He probably doesn't even know that there exists Arabian archeology that supports the Book of Mormon as an ancient text.

      July 7, 2011 at 7:58 pm |
    • ProTane

      Actually, Artist usually knows his / her stuff. Feel free to post proof of your own assertions, liar.

      July 7, 2011 at 8:30 pm |
    • Thomas

      Artist is a "regurgitator" of anti-Mormon propaganda of the most ridiculous kind. He takes quotes from spurious sources and calls his "characterization" truthful, complete, and accurate. Rubbish! He's a tool.

      July 7, 2011 at 10:04 pm |
    • James

      Concerning the Character of Joseph Smith:

      Mary Alice Cannon Lambert, Early Member of the Church
      The love the saints had for him was inexpressible. They would willingly have laid down their lives for him. If he was to talk, every task would be laid aside that they might listen to his words. He was not an ordinary man. Saints and sinners alike felt and recognized a power and influence which he carried with him. It was impossible to meet him and not be impressed by the strength of his personality and influence.
      "Joseph Smith, the Prophet," Young Woman's Journal, Dec. 1905, 554.

      Emily D. Partridge Young, Early Member of the Church
      Joseph was a prophet of God, and a friend of man. His was a noble character. All who knew him can testify to that assertion. He was all that the word gentleman would imply—pure in heart, always striving for right, upholding innocence, and battling for the good of all.
      Letter to Lulu Clawson Young, June 27, 1897, Church Archives, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Salt Lake City, Utah; punctuation and capitalization modernized.

      Andrew Workman, Early Member of the Church
      I first saw the Prophet Joseph in May, 1842. . . . A few days after this I was at Joseph's house. Several men were sitting on the fence. Joseph came out and spoke to us all. A man came and said that a poor brother who lived out some distance from town had had his house burned down the night before. Nearly all of the men said they felt sorry for the man. Joseph his hand in his pocket, took out five dollars and said: "I feel sorry for this brother to the amount of five dollars. How much do you all feel sorry?"
      Juvenile Instructor, Oct. 15, 1892, 641.

      July 7, 2011 at 10:09 pm |
    • James

      Joseph Smith's Upbringing:

      Joseph Smith Jr. was born December 23, 1805, the fifth of eleven children of Joseph Sr. and Lucy Mack Smith. "I was born . . . of goodly parents," said Joseph, "who spared no pains to instruct me in the Christian religion."1 His parents stressed personal religion and encouraged Joseph to seek his "soul's salvation" in Jesus Christ.2

      Joseph Smith's parents loved the Lord. Lucy eventually joined one of the local churches, but continued to search for something more. "I therefore determined," said Lucy, "to examine my Bible, and, taking Jesus and his disciples for my guide, to endeavor to obtain from God which man could neither give nor take away."3

      Joseph's father, Joseph Smith Sr., found peace in Bible study and seeking God in prayer. Under his leadership, the family met morning and evening for prayer, hymns, and scripture reading. At times Joseph Sr. taught his children "in his own home school and used the Bible as a text."4

      The devotion to God that Joseph saw in his parents strengthened his confidence and faith to seek divine truth.

      July 7, 2011 at 10:10 pm |
    • Artist

      James-interesting response. But I didn't see anything regarding his "gla ss looking" activities etc and court records...you know during the time he was being a prophet. What I am curious to find out is if mormons believe the arrests and what surrounded them. Do you deny Smith's activities and statement to the judge regarding his seer stones and fraud. Do mormons deny his treasure hunting activities? How do mormons feel about the witnesses being considered biased and not considered a true 3rd party witness? Am I a liar in what I posted?

      July 8, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • jarod

      @Artist, possibly not, but you are severely misled. the fact that you cannot/will not cite your sources does however cast more than a shadow of a doubt on anything you have said thus far. until you ante sources, you mark yourself as nothing more than one who spouts hearsay and typical anti-mormon rhetoric, and your opinion on the matter is ultimately worthless.

      July 11, 2011 at 12:56 pm |
  4. AvdBerg

    Mitt Romney does not know what spirit he serves (Luke 9:55). For a better understanding of the Mormon Church and what spirit it is of, we invite you to read the article Mormon Church ~ Cult and Spiritual Harlot on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    All the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how this whole world has been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9.

    July 7, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
    • James

      I read your bogus article. It's full of false statements and false analogies. The Mormon Church is the restored New Testament Church.

      July 7, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
  5. GSA

    Why would it matter what religion the president is as long as the decisions made by him/her reflect the opinions of the majority and/or take the appropriate steps to making the country better?
    Only reason I can think of is that there are ppl who will only select one of their own because of fear or hate of another and if that is the case then they missed the point of electing a president in the first place.

    July 7, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
  6. Paul in Louisville

    One's religion or lack thereof is never supposed to be a "test" for public office – ever. I dislike Romney for many other things; his religion is only one of those things. Don't get me wrong – I'm not singling him out for being Mormon. I have problems with ALL organized religions and I believe all of that mumbo jumbo should be kept out of politics.

    July 7, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
  7. James

    So,
    a Mormon can fight and die as a soldier for the country, but cannot be president.
    A Mormon can be a fireman or police officer, but cannot be President.
    A Mormon can serve as a U.S. Senator, but not as President.
    A Mormon can serve in Congress, but not as President.
    A Mormon can serve as a judge/justice at the County, Appellate and Supreme Court levels, but cannot be president.
    A Mormon can serve as the Senate leader (Reid), but not as President.
    A Mormon can serve as a U.S. cabinet member, but not as President.
    A Mormon can be the Governor of a State, but not a President.

    Absurd, absurd, absurd.

    Tricia Erickson is a Christian bigot of the highest order. What she means to say is this: I have fought against Mormons all my life and if one becomes President and people learn that Mormons are fine Christians, then my life's work looks pretty silly.

    Nice try Tricia Erickson, but your game of bigotry and prejudice are about over. Your life's work IS silly, false, and unAmerican.

    July 7, 2011 at 5:47 pm |
    • Artist

      a Mormon can fight and die as a soldier for the country, but cannot be president.
      A Mormon can be a fireman or police officer, but cannot be President.
      A Mormon can serve as a U.S. Senator, but not as President.
      A Mormon can serve in Congress, but not as President.
      A Mormon can serve as a judge/justice at the County, Appellate and Supreme Court levels, but cannot be president.
      A Mormon can serve as the Senate leader (Reid), but not as President.
      A Mormon can serve as a U.S. cabinet member, but not as President.
      A Mormon can be the Governor of a State, but not a President.

      I don't see those as qualifying factors for President. We have loons all around us and have to deal with them. The last place we need them is the highest office. Choosing the lessor of 2 evils... mormon vs christian and if that is your only choice and they are equally qualified, I have to lean towards the christian. Sorry but too much bs and evidence against ole smith.

      July 7, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
    • Space Cadet

      Artist, you are correct.

      July 7, 2011 at 7:16 pm |
    • James

      Artist:

      Perhaps you should study the presidency more closely. Presidents are qualified because of their management skills, their leadership in difficult political and business problems, and their ability to unify diverse opinions.

      That Michelle Bachmmn or Rick Perry or others favor one Christian interpretation of the Bible does not improve the Presidency.

      Romney is uniquely capable to solving America's problems because of his pragmatism which is a Mormon theological quality. This is why he is a superior candidate than Bachmann, Perry or Pawlenty.

      July 7, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
    • ProTane

      James, presidents are elected in a media frenzy of mudslinging and back-alley deals. That's how we got Obama.
      Raum works much better behind the scenes and out of public view. Now he's mayor of chicago.

      July 7, 2011 at 8:33 pm |
    • One7777777

      She is FALSE.

      July 27, 2011 at 9:22 pm |
  8. Salero21

    Don't know much about Mormonism and not at all interested either. For one simple reason; that an "angel"/demon named Moroni gave JS some golden tablets!! Really, really people, the name of the so called "angel" say it all!!

    Whatever the spirit that appeared to JS, was not from God. Is all in the name!!

    July 7, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
  9. Keith

    Would he be better than whatever is in office now? Muslim? Atheist? Universalist? Can anyone know for sure what is in place right now? C'mon-a lot of you voted for him. You must know something about him, right?

    July 7, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
    • Deborah DeVane

      President Obama is Christian. Apparently a lot moreso than you who seem to be just a snide little rethuglian with a chip on his shoulder.

      July 7, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
    • Mark

      the president is a christian, as has been stated, avowed, and atested many times, both by himself and by many other persons and news sources. In The United States, where we should cherish and respect freedom of belief, I feel we should trust a personb's word on what religion, or none, they may have, and not throw vaugely racist slanders over and over again without any evidence whatsoever. It's the American thing to do.

      July 7, 2011 at 5:35 pm |
    • Mama2KOA

      President Obama has said that he's a Christian but you know what, it doesnt matter. Christianity isnt a presidential requirement. What I DO find more offensive is the way you dehumanize him with your "whatever is in office" and the "know what is in place".

      July 7, 2011 at 6:16 pm |
    • Keith

      If a dog walked into the room and told you "I'm a cat", you morons would believe it.

      July 9, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
    • One7777777

      Deborah DeVane – how do you KNOW he's Christian?

      July 27, 2011 at 9:24 pm |
  10. Chris

    This article is a joke. Seriously, anyone who takes this lady serious has problems also. Many articles on this blog are talking about the major differences of Mormon Christians and non mormon Christians. Why? B/C its easy to poke fun of religion. Why don't people talk more about the many similarities we have. Like Mormons core doctrine is that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, died on a cross in Calvary and rose again on Sunday. That's the glorious message of the gospel. Our relationship with Christ is the most important of any relationship in our lives.

    Evangelicals should look at a conservative Mormon candidate and realize they have good character, strong morales,faith in Jesus Christ and defends the traditional family. These things that matter most.

    July 7, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
    • Deborah DeVane

      Typical fundie ideologue BS. Move along people, there's nothing to see here. Just another religious zealot with an insecurity complex and an axe to grind.

      July 7, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
    • Deborah DeVane

      BTW... meant the article... but your proselytizing your religious beliefs are just as boring. Keep it in church and out of civil and secular politics.

      July 7, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
    • Al Sanchez

      CHRIS, DON'T LISTEN TO D. DEVANE. SHE'S ONE OF THE EASILY OFFENDED. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH WHAT YOU SAID. MS. DEVANE, DON'T BE SO TOUCHY!!

      July 7, 2011 at 6:09 pm |
  11. Artist

    Regarding the "witnesses" of the plates...interesting note:
    .
    All the witnesses were family, close friends, or financial backers of Joseph Smith. Cowdery, Page, and the five Whitmers were related by marriage.
    .

    July 7, 2011 at 5:04 pm |
    • James

      But how does that change that they saw and handled the metal plates?

      July 7, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
    • Artist

      James

      But how does that change that they saw and handled the metal plates?

      ------------------------
      I was talking about from a credibility point of view. Lets see the person in question's background has criminal activity and scams (treasure hunter etc), witnesses are biased, the physical evidence no longer exists and present day testing shows his visions to be false. How original from any other religion....requires 100% faith in the man who created it.

      July 7, 2011 at 6:17 pm |
    • 3rd Nephite

      The witnesses never "handled" the plates. They saw them with their "spiritual" eyes only.

      Virtually all of the witnesses left the Mormon church or were excommunicated. With Smith dead they saw little point in retracting their testimonies since the entire cult was in disarray.

      July 7, 2011 at 6:58 pm |
    • Artist

      Virtually all of the witnesses left the Mormon church or were excommunicated.
      ------
      So how many witnesses does that leave? Spiritual Eye? Sounds like 3rd eye to me. I wonder if Joseph Smith also had a twig that he used to find water?

      July 7, 2011 at 7:02 pm |
    • ProTane

      Maybe they could do a show called "Third Eye for the Fraud Guy."

      July 7, 2011 at 8:34 pm |
    • James

      Artist and others:

      There were 11 witnesses in total:

      8 saw and handled the plates with their “natural” eyes.

      3 saw the resurrected Moroni (angel) AND the plates with their “natural” eyes. But because of the experience, Martin Harris said he saw with his “spiritual” eyes. But, what does this mean, since the other two witnesses saw Moroni and the plates with their “natural” eyes. This distinction is a conceptual/intellectual one and not a literal one. Moroni wasn’t an aberration – he was a physical, tangible being – as were the plates.

      There are no facts that discredit the testimonies of the eyewitnesses to the plates. In fact, some of those "friends" of Joseph Smith later disagreed the way he was leading the Church and left. BUT, they did not recant their testimony of having seen and felt and turned the pages of the metal plates.

      The criticism that the witnesses were related is irrelevant. None of the witnesses were promised anything and none of them expected to be compensated for their testimonies. These men were simple God fearing men who wanted to follow Jesus Christ’s teachings and commandments.

      Scholars (Mormon and non-Mormon) have examined their testimonies and their characters thoroughly and have found them to be reasonable men, not given to fanaticism or fraud.

      July 7, 2011 at 10:15 pm |
    • James

      Protane:

      There is no evidence that the Book of Mormon was created out of fraud. You may not believe that the record true, but that is mere "unbelief" or skepticism and not a form of evidence against the Book of Mormon or Mormonism.

      July 7, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
    • ProTane

      On the contrary, there are MOUNTAINS of evidence to prove that the Mormon religion is founded upon fraud.
      We have the evidence. You just don't like it.

      July 8, 2011 at 7:35 am |
  12. Artist

    "Every September for four years, Joseph went to the Hill Cu morah and was taught by Moroni. In September 1827 Joseph met Moroni at the hill and received the gold plates. Twenty-one months later, having completed the translation, Joseph returned the plates to Moroni."
    ---–
    Of course they are no longer around. Su ccess of any scam is the target has to have faith in the con.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • GodPot

      It does beg the question, why do divine revelations always seem to be secret affairs? Smith locked away doing his "translation" for so long, Moses holed up in his tent writing Genesis for years and then drops the bombshell on the rest of the nation "Oh, by the way, during those 40 years of wandering God telepathicly told me how everything was created and that our ancient ancestor was a guy named Adam and you better be good cause this God were following has already wiped out the human race once, save for a handful of his favorites, with a huge flood" Then the revelation to John, again something no one else gets to see and yet it's the basis for countless accounts of a coming earthly destruction no one else got to see or hear, just one guy, who wrote nearly 2000 years ago "Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near." Rev 1:3. Maybe they just mistranslated the word "near"...

      July 7, 2011 at 7:04 pm |
    • James

      Joseph Smith wasn't locked away. The translation process was on open view of Emma his wife and other visitors. The plates however, were covered or in a box when others were around. The translation process was a result of the seer stones. Smith didn't translate from "reformed Egyptian hieroglyphs" to English. he read outloud the words that appeared "in English" and Oliver Cowdery wrote them down. The original manuscripts are in Cowdery's handwriting.

      July 7, 2011 at 10:28 pm |
    • ProTane

      I think Smith is the reason we have the saying "talking through your hat." He was a con-artist. A KNOWN con-artist!
      And yet you sit there and try to show him as being a "prophet"!
      I guess that makes you another con-artist, or maybe just a brain-washed idiot who can't see the truth right in front of his face!

      July 8, 2011 at 7:38 am |
    • Bucky Ball

      English or Egyptian or whatever. He simply made it all up. The hieroglyphs were MISTRANSLATED.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcyzkd_m6KE

      July 8, 2011 at 10:39 am |
  13. Kristen Slawinski

    Regardless of anything else said, and regardless of the qualifications of ANY of the candidates, "Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters?" is exactly the same thing that was said about John F. Kennedy, our nation's first Catholic president.
    He said on September 12, 1960, "I am not the Catholic candidate for President. I am the Democratic Party candidate for President who also happens to be a Catholic. I do not speak for my Church on public matters – and the Church does not speak for me."
    That's the same thing people should focus on in this election. Not to elect, or not elect, someone based on their religion, but on their policies and ideas about the future of America.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:46 pm |
    • Artist

      If a person who was part of Koresh's group ran would they be considered looney?

      July 7, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
    • Kristi

      People of any religion should be able to run for president – David Koresh's cult included. Heck, someone from Satan Lovers R' Us could run. It doesn't mean they'll be elected, but that's the glorious thing about America. IT SHOULDN'T MATTER. Religion is part of what makes you a unique person. It helps shape your decisions about right and wrong. No one should be excluded from running for President based on what they believe. That's one of the reasons people originally came to America – for the freedom to worship the way they want without fear of retribution. Wouldn't you want your children to live in a world where everyone is accepted?

      July 8, 2011 at 10:58 am |
  14. XODDI

    I found some golden notebooks in my backyard. Then the angel Boney Maroney (he's a skinny as a stick of macaroni) appeared to me and told me to build a shining city in the mountains. And that Jesus was one of the Clovis people.

    No you cannot see the notebooks.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
  15. Artist

    Kirk, When did Joseph write down the visions etc....how old was he? Was this after his treasure hunting days? Did he write the alleged visions down many years past then claiming he had them when younger? How old was he when he looked through his seer stones for interpretation? Also, where are the discs?

    July 7, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
  16. Bucky Ball

    Was thinking last evening : 'What, no Mormon article this week ?"

    July 7, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
    • Artist

      With the 2 loons running...expect many more lol

      July 7, 2011 at 4:40 pm |
    • Noh

      They are crazies who never got put in an asylum or prison. Now look at them! Fascists without a clue. Who needs Nazis when we have our own American brands of fascists and totalitarians? They might run a business but they do not serve the general population. Look at where the power goes. Crazy stuff.

      July 8, 2011 at 8:38 am |
  17. Reality

    Another book based on Google searching!!! Save your money and search the topic on your own.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
    • Artist

      Wrong spot:
      .
      Kirk, When did Joseph write down the visions etc....how old was he? Was this after his treasure hunting days? Did he write the alleged visions down many years past then claiming he had them when younger? How old was he when he looked through his seer stones for interpretation? Also, where are the discs?

      July 7, 2011 at 4:38 pm |
  18. Kirk Harrington

    The ceremonies as she describes them cannot be further from the truth. They are beautiful, give you a glimpse of life that you cannot get elsewhere, and contain a lot of symbolism that leads one to believe in God, serve your fellowman, and feel a stronger conviction to love your spouse, love God, and keep your convenants with Him. Not even close to being violent or alarming as she says. I've been to the temple many times and it is wonderful!

    July 7, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
    • 3rd Nephite

      Kirk, you're obviously a 21st century Mormon temple goer . . .

      July 7, 2011 at 7:04 pm |
    • GodPot

      "give you a glimpse of life that you cannot get elsewhere, and contain a lot of symbolism that leads one to believe in God" The same could be said of shooting heroin.

      July 7, 2011 at 7:08 pm |
  19. Lycidas

    It sounds like Tricia is trying to tie a lot of Mormon generalizations to Mitt than actually saying anything concrete.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
    • Artist

      A man part of a newly created religion less than 200 years ago is not fit to run our country. Lessor of 2 evils, I would take a christian over a mormon if equally qualified. In this day and age there is no excuse for people to still actually think what Joseph Smith said was true or real. The lines of BS are not even blurry compared to older religions.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
    • Artist

      This is why the repugs will be in trouble. Christians will not accept him as a christian, rather a loon. The party will be fractured.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • Matt

      A man part of a newly created religion less than 2000 years ago is not fit to run our country. Lessor of 2 evils, I would take an atheist over a Christian if equally qualified. In this day and age there is no excuse for people to still actually think what the New Testament said was true or real. The lines of BS are not even blurry compared to older religions.

      Still feel that way?

      July 7, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • Artist

      Matt, as well as I. I was just comparing 2 evils. Perhaps in another 100 years we will see an Atheist or Agnostic run and win. Of course me and you will be dead and gone.

      July 7, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
    • Lycidas

      None of you have expressed any factual reasons why a person that has religious convictions should not be President. Sure you take your own opinions and place them above other citizen's views but that is far from factual.

      July 7, 2011 at 5:58 pm |
    • Artist

      Lycidas

      None of you have expressed any factual reasons why a person that has religious convictions should not be President. Sure you take your own opinions and place them above other citizen's views but that is far from factual.
      -----
      Isn't that what every citizen does when they vote? Interesting you said "factual". What is factual about the foundaton of the mormonism belief? Joseph Smith is factual and his court records. This gives us time tables. What else?

      July 7, 2011 at 7:00 pm |
    • Ned

      The issue isn't religion, but what damage a long-standing set of delusions will do to a person's decision-making.
      That the delusions in this case happen to be religious in nature is really besides the point as far as I'm concerned.

      July 7, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @Artist- "Isn't that what every citizen does when they vote? Interesting you said "factual". What is factual about the foundaton of the mormonism belief? Joseph Smith is factual and his court records. This gives us time tables. What else?"

      Nice try with the switcheroo there...but the historical record on the foundation of Mormonism isn't what we are talking about. What we are talking about is how being a Mormon would/should stop anyone from being President. Again, no one on here has given any facts why Romney shouldn't be Pres by way of his religious affiliation.

      July 8, 2011 at 7:33 am |
    • Lycidas

      "but what damage a long-standing set of delusions will do to a person's decision-making."

      From what I have seen thus far, there has been no damage to Romney's decision-making by way of his faith.

      July 8, 2011 at 7:34 am |
    • ProTane

      The issue with religious folks is where their loyalties lay. If they think their religion trumps all man-made laws and the Const-itution itself, then they have no business being in our government at ANY level. We need a President who will serve the country, not some value-system that makes no sense.
      Would you rather see this country destroyed just because you are unable to see how such a thing could happen?
      People like you are not exactly objective, you know. Your internal blindness will make you discount my good arguments with the greatest of ease, too.
      Following a foolish religion isn't exactly a good endorsement of one's executive ability. This is not black and white.

      July 8, 2011 at 7:46 am |
    • Noh

      The issue with Presidential candidates is that they are almost always in someone's pocket and until we do something about that, none of them can be trusted to serve the country as a whole.

      July 8, 2011 at 8:46 am |
    • Lycidas

      @ProTane- "The issue with religious folks is where their loyalties lay."

      That is an issue with all ppl, not just religious one.

      "If they think their religion trumps all man-made laws and the Const-itution itself, then they have no business being in our government at ANY level."

      Agreed, though again..that goes for anyone. Someone of faith isn't anymore likely to suspend the laws of the land than one who's main focus in life is aquiring money.

      "We need a President who will serve the country, not some value-system that makes no sense."

      We need a President that will do his job as defined by the laws of our nation. And as for the value-system, it makes no sense to you.

      "Would you rather see this country destroyed just because you are unable to see how such a thing could happen?"

      If one has faith in our system as I do, there is nothing to fear. Do you think that the nation would vote in someone that would obviously have other concerns over that of our nation?

      "People like you are not exactly objective, you know. Your internal blindness will make you discount my good arguments with the greatest of ease, too."

      And who are ppl like me anyway? You realize that you are making broad generalizations that are based on ignorance right? And while it's a guess, I think you might be blinded by your own ego to assume you have made any good arguments.

      "Following a foolish religion isn't exactly a good endorsement of one's executive ability. This is not black and white."

      Again, your unfounded opinion. Also, no one said anything is black and white here. Though you are coming close to making a black and white argument. If they follow a faith....you would say no way to them on that alone it would seem. Quite closed minded I feel.

      July 8, 2011 at 10:14 am |
    • Artist

      Lycidas

      @Artist- "Isn't that what every citizen does when they vote? Interesting you said "factual". What is factual about the foundaton of the mormonism belief? Joseph Smith is factual and his court records. This gives us time tables. What else?"

      Nice try with the switcheroo there...but the historical record on the foundation of Mormonism isn't what we are talking about. What we are talking about is how being a Mormon would/should stop anyone from being President. Again, no one on here has given any facts why Romney shouldn't be Pres by way of his religious affiliation.
      ----
      Facts is only part of voting. One must also have faith in the man. With all the informaton out there regarding the mormon church and how it came to be, I have to question the abilities of this man in such a role. Does he knowingly follow the teachings of a con or is simply delusional. Do we want a man like this in the most important office? The same goes for the evangelical crowd that runs when they start talking about god talking to them and doing god's will. I call them loons.

      July 8, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
    • Artist

      So back to my question: What is factual about the foundaton of the mormonism belief? Joseph Smith is factual, his glass looking is factual, and his court records are factual. This gives us time tables to show his activities when he was a "prophet". What else?
      .
      Also when you start looking into the past activies of Joseph Smith you clearly see a smart con or a person who suffered from serious:
      Schizophrenia is a mental disorder that makes it difficult to tell the difference between real and unreal experiences, to think logically, to have normal emotional responses, and to behave normally in social situations.
      As the illness continues, psychotic symptoms develop:
      • False beliefs or thoughts that are not based in reality (delusions)
      • Hearing, seeing, or feeling things that are not there (hallucinations)

      July 8, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "Does he knowingly follow the teachings of a con or is simply delusional."

      Leading the witness counselor...we can make up our own minds at to the status of Mormonism.

      "I call them loons."

      Which is your right....just like running around in the rain and makling money grunts is your right.

      July 8, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "Schizophrenia is a mental disorder that makes it difficult to tell the difference between real and unreal experiences, to think logically, to have normal emotional responses, and to behave normally in social situations."

      Your standing as an authority on a person's mental condition is most lacking Artist. Under your own definition, I would clasify you as schizophrenia. Your emotional responses and socal behave are not normal.

      July 8, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
    • Artist

      Lycidas

      "Schizophrenia is a mental disorder that makes it difficult to tell the difference between real and unreal experiences, to think logically, to have normal emotional responses, and to behave normally in social situations."

      Your standing as an authority on a person's mental condition is most lacking Artist. Under your own definition, I would clasify you as schizophrenia. Your emotional responses and socal behave are not normal.
      --–
      Just offering food for thought... people will make up their own minds. So Lycidas what are your thoughts on my questions:
      .
      What is factual about the foundaton of the mormonism belief? Joseph Smith is factual, his glass looking is factual, and his court records are factual. This gives us time tables to show his activities when he was a "prophet". What else?

      July 8, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
    • Lycidas

      ""What is factual about the foundaton of the mormonism belief? Joseph Smith is factual, his glass looking is factual, and his court records are factual. This gives us time tables to show his activities when he was a "prophet". What else?"

      Sounds like you know just about as much as I do about Mormonism. Smith existed, it is up to others if they believe he was a prophet. Besides having a number of Mormon friends and one ancestrial cousin that was a Mormon...I know little about the details of their faith.

      July 8, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
  20. Peace2All

    From the Article:

    "Mitt and Ann were married in the Salt Lake CityMormon Temple in which they participated in the secret endowment ceremonies. They continue to go to, as all temple Mormons do, and participate in these ceremonies.

    I experienced this same ceremony myself when I was married in the Mormon Temple. I cannot explain to you in a few words here just how completely violent, mind controlling and alarming these ceremonies are.

    Just this information on the secret temple ceremonies would send most thinking human beings in to “warning mode” that maybe we all better rethink who our Republican candidate should be. I can’t stress enough to you how truly alarming these ceremonies that Mitt and Ann repeatedly went through, and continue to go to and participate in, are. The truth about this and more is truly stranger than fiction."

    Hmmm... O.K. "violent" "mind controlling" "alarming".... I am extremely curious as to what specifically she is referring to here...?

    Any LDS members here want to weigh-in on this...?

    Again, I am sincerely curious as to these 'secret' temple ceremonies.

    Regards,

    Peace...

    July 7, 2011 at 3:52 pm |
    • Artist

      When you look at the Masonic rituals and his you see where he got the ideas from. From the design of the church to the rituals you can see how he came up with his church being he was a Mason. After reading some of Mormon bible you can see the "simpleton" he was. While a simpleton, he was a heck of a con man with his seer stones and treasure hunting. The mormon religion is obviously a copy of the Masonic Temple and rituals with a bit of history he came across. The Mormon bible is so simple it it funny. It is amazing how he convinced the people he did. Now that we have DNA testing and more historical verification regarding history, his visions are clearly a fraud. It was impossible for him to know how more advanced we would become to prove his BS stories about jews coming over 8000 years ago. lol I guess he thought he would be safe once he said the basis of what he wrote (plates/discs) etc disappeared. lol

      July 7, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
    • Kirk Harrington

      If you think the Book of Mormon is simple, you obiviously have not read it or even understand its message. There's no way a simple farm boy who was 12 at the time of the First Vision could have made up that book. And if you read that book and pray about it...and live the way it encourages you to do, you will experience joy and happiness like you have never known in your life. I have read this amazing book several times and it has strengthened my belief in God, Jesus Christ, and the amazing plan they have prepared for mankind. As far as 'copying the masonic rituals' as you claim...well...bits of truth exist in many churchs, including rites of the temple. Why is it such a stretch that ceremonies in the temple may be similar to Masonic ones? Masons have been around for eons and masons even helped build the Temple of Solomon. Things you do in the temple were important then...why not now? I think its more important to understand what these things do for people and how they behave after they experience them. Visit our churches, get to know our people and you will see that the fruits of these things are good.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
    • I'm LDS

      I've served a mission for the church and try to go weekly to the temple here in Denver, CO. I've gone for about 8 years and have felt nothing but peace there. The closest thing to it is being up in the mountains, it is just a step back from the craziness of this life. Mostly you just think and pray and sit quietly.

      If you had never seen the communion given or a baptism performed, those ordinances might seem weird to you until you learn of the symbolism and meaning behind what is going on. Then they make more sense and you can see how people would consider them special. The same applies to the temple, and I assure you the ordinances there are just as innocent and upright as any baptism or communion/sacrament.

      In order to keep the temple a special place, and the kind of quiet refuge it is meant to be, only members who are living the commandments and understand what it means to be there can go. It is all on the honor code. It is similar to the Jewish temples where only certain people could go who had prepared themselves.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
    • AlCapwn

      @ Peace2All
      I have been participating in temple ceremonies for years. Sitting down in a chair is about as violent as it gets. I have several friends and family who also participate in these ceremonies, and we hold very different views on political and social issues, so I would say they are far from being "mind controlling". In my personal opinion, they are wonderful and provide a refreshing persepctive on life and God's plan for us.

      @ Artist
      You obviously haven't read the Book of Mormon. Try reading the whole book, cover to cover, and then come back and comment on it without resulting to what you may have heard someone say about it.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
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