My Take: Catholics will accept a saint who had an abortion
Dorothy Day in New York circa 1969, addressing an anti-Vietnam War demonstration.
July 7th, 2011
01:43 PM ET

My Take: Catholics will accept a saint who had an abortion

Editor's Note: Stephen Prothero, a Boston University religion scholar and author of "God is Not One: The Eight Rival Religions that Run the World," is a regular CNN Belief Blog contributor.

By Stephen Prothero, Special to CNN

Can Catholics abide a saint who had an abortion?

Dorothy Day, who died in 1980, was an anarchist, a pacifist, and the co-founder of the Catholic Worker, a movement devoted to helping the poor and the homeless. Described by historian David O’Brien as “the most influential, interesting, and significant figure” in U.S. Catholic history, Day is currently being considered for canonization in the Catholic Church.

Before her conversion to Catholicism in 1927, however, Day lived what the late Cardinal O’Connor of the Archdiocese of New York has referred to as "a life akin to that of the pre-converted Augustine of Hippo." That bohemian life included common-law marriage and an abortion.

Some may feel that Day’s promiscuity precludes her cause for sainthood. But in his February 2000 letter to the Vatican in support of Day’s canonization, O’Connor contended “that her abortion should not preclude her cause, but intensifies it.” She is a model, he continued, “for women who have had or are considering abortions” because she “regretted” that action “every day of her life.”

Earlier this month, Father James Martin, the Jesuit priest, author, and go-to-guy on Roman Catholicism for Stephen Colbert (Colbert once called him “The Colbert Report chaplain”), reported on “A New Conversation” about Dorothy Day and abortion.

This private conversation with Catholic Worker member Daniel Marshall occurred in 1977 at a farm in Tivoli, New York. According to Marshall:

I seized the opportunity to ask Dorothy to write in the paper about abortion as possibly the central moral issue of our time.  She paused and gently answered, "I don't like to push young people into their sins" . . .

Then Dorothy said, "You know, I had an abortion.  The doctor was fat, dirty and furtive.  He left hastily after it was accomplished, leaving me bleeding.  The daughter of the landlords assisted me and never said a word of it.  He was Emma Goldman's lover; that's why I have never had any use for Emma."

I hung on every word that she said, not only because she was Dorothy, but because, although I had heard a rumor that she had an abortion, I was aware that few people knew of it from her.

I understood from Dorothy that she was asking me to comprehend what the consequences would be of a public statement from her on abortion and also that the public consequences might be a distraction from the issue and the cause.  What she thought of abortion was clear as a bell from what she said.

But what she thought of abortion is not “clear as a bell” from this interview. What is clear is her disgust over her procedure, and over the “fat, dirty and furtive” doctor who performed it.

Elsewhere, however, Day did make clear her opposition to abortion on pacifist grounds.

For example, in a 1974 interview, she turned a question about genocide into a discussion about birth control and abortion. “We do believe that there is not only the genocide of war, the genocide that took place in the extermination of Jews, but the whole program—I’m speaking now as a Catholic—of birth control and abortion, is another form of genocide.”

Some day, Day may be accepted into the communion of saints as a modern Augustine whose depths of youthful sin make her adult piety even more spectacular. But she could also be rejected as a figure who could well lead some Catholics to justify premarital sex and abortion on the grounds that “Dorothy Day did it.”

On a 2007 “Colbert Report” appearance, Father Martin was asked whether Mother Teresa’s feelings of being abandoned by God had earned her a one-way ticket to "the Lake of Fire." Revelations that Mother Teresa had said she had not felt the presence of God for half a century had raised questions in some circles about just how saintly she really was. Can you be a saint if God feels as distant from you as He does from an atheist–if your experience of God is an experience of lonely "darkness"?

Yes, Martin said, adding that in this case Mother Teresa could serve as a model for Catholics going through a dark night of the soul.

Day's case raises a parallel question. Can you be a saint if you have committed the original sin of contemporary Catholicism?

My money says yes.

Partly that is because of the Christian teaching of forgiveness. But mostly it is because of the tendency of Catholics to diverge from the official party line on questions such as homosexuality, birth control and abortion.

According to a June survey by the Public Religion Research Institute, most American Catholics (54%) think that abortion should be legal in all or most cases. More than two-thirds of them (68%) believe you can be a good Catholic even if you disagree with your church’s opposition to abortion. And when it comes to the question of whether abortion is a sin, white American Catholics are evenly divided.

Of course, rank-and-file Catholics do not decide who is declared a saint. But they decide who will be revered as one. And in this case, I believe, they will forgive Day's sin in part because, in their heart of hearts, many of them don't consider it all that much of a sin in the first place.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Stephen Prothero.

- CNN Belief Blog contributor

Filed under: Abortion • Catholic Church

soundoff (582 Responses)
  1. Mona in TULSA

    The road to any belief of and relationship with the Divine is paved with potholes and detours and doubts. It is by working through these difficulties, learning a new path and a renewing of one's heart and mind that one's faith is formed. We were created with free will and though we are far from perfect, in the eyes of God, we are loved. But we do not exist in a vacuum; we are constantly challenged by the free will of others and our own poor choices. That is where compassion and forgiveness (of others AND ourselves,) comes into play. She had an abortion and she regretted it. The adulteress in the Bible was told by Christ; since there are none left to condem you, neither do I condem you, so go your way and avoid this sin. I think we should do the same and let it be for this woman.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:32 pm |
    • ReallyModComeON


      July 7, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
  2. Terry

    I think it's funny.....the official line of the Church says one thing but the majority of people in the pews do whatever the hell they want. I have dozens of friends and family who still go to Mass every Sunday and a grandmother who goes every morning but they are all in favor of birth control, abortion rights, gay marriage, etc etc and I live in the midwest

    July 7, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Good News

      All silly beliefs pass slowly, and I am pleased to hear progress is being made.

      Soon many amongst you will admit they have neveer believed a word of it.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:35 pm |
    • TC

      Well – what's not funny is that church going Catholics believe they serve Christ under a democracy. It's not – very plain simple directions not open to interpretation on human behavior. Just becasue some liberal says the beleif is intolerant does not make it true.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:37 pm |
    • TC

      Demuth – doubt it. The magic universe believers will be quite sorry and surprised by their faith in themselves and thier own limited understanding!

      July 7, 2011 at 4:39 pm |
    • William Demuth


      You are right, but Christians do such a poor job of keeping their dogma straight that the religion is like a game of post office between autistic kids.

      Whatever they swear to today, they will swear at tomorrow.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
    • TC

      I think it is very important for all people to recognize that where man is involved, rest assured it can and will be assaulted and vandalized corrupting the original pure intent but we must persevere.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    • ReallyModComeON

      Basically what you are saying is it is funny that Catholics, who are human, fall short. You cannot justify God's law through man. What man believes has zero bearing on God's law. It might be "Good News" indeed in the world of man. In the world of God it just mean that many more have lost sight of the Lord. There is no debate about right or wrong in the eyes of God. He has given us that already. We make the decision of whether or not we will follow his law. Many humans have this miss guided idea that if they can get a bunch of people to follow along with them and believe as they believe then God will follow suit. There was a town in the bible that thought the same. Things did not go well for them. Let's not be foolish enough to think popular opinion defines the laws God told us. What we feel should be the law is not the law. The law is what God defines in the Bible. You are free not to believe in God, or feel the Bible is not God's law. But you cannot claim to be a Christian and believe your opinions take precedence over what is written in the book of the Lord.

      July 7, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
  3. hethathathanear

    If she believed what the Catholic Church teaches and thought it would give her salvation and Heaven as a home, the there is no way in this universe that she could be called a saint by God. Saints are those who have been saved by the grace of God after repenting and believing the gospel of Jesus Christ and accepting him as their Saviour by faith. Saints are not made or truly name by the Vatican or any other man. Yep, the pope is just a man and Mary just a woman.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
    • TC

      The pope is just a man but the church needs a leader and Mary os just a woman, but Jesus needed to be born through Holy means by an unstaned woman. Read early church history as well as listening to your protestant pastor.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:34 pm |
  4. wyatt

    Her abortion would be considered in the same way as any other killing of a helpless person. If she had killed a toddler and had later repented (and lived her life accordingly), how accepting would people be?

    July 7, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Casey Anthony for Saint in the year 2231.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
    • TC

      Demuth – Quite possible – highly unlikely though. But we pray that all people believe, repent and be called to sainthood. Good shout out by you even though done is narccisistic ignorance.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:42 pm |
    • ReallyModComeON

      There is no forgiving the sin. No one is called to forgive the sin, but you do forgive the sinner. I do not deny your comparisons are indeed accurate. But can murder be forgiven? Is it a sin even God will never forgive? I think you will find in more then one instance in the bible God say all sins can be forgiven. The question then becomes if God could forgive it, could we also forgive it?

      July 7, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
  5. TC

    I think if Prothero did any real homework on Catholic canonization and sainthood then he would know that someone with grave sins that repented and turned thier life around is the common theme with many saints. Also, whether or not 54% of Catholics believe abortion is a sin is highly debateable and I would argue than any Christian who believes abortion is not a sine does not undertand the Bible or Christianity on the most minute scale.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
  6. ReallyModComeON

    Remember God does not look at or follow surveys. If you are taking shelter in that you are taking shelter in a un-sturdy structure. We all need to get out of the world where man makes the rules when it comes to religion. Ceazar must be given his due, but in the world of God his opinion polls, enlightenment, and new found practices hold zero sway.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Then what happens if Jesus and the Space Ghost guy disagree?

      If they are both divine, who does the big man side with?

      July 7, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
    • TC

      The triune is always in agreement but I have heard rumors of disagreements within the Justuce League and discontent with the Super Friends.

      July 7, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
    • ReallyModComeON

      Well to believe in God or not is really not up for debate. You either do or you do not. Free will, that is what it is all about. Free will not for the sake the pleasure of the benefits of free will but the chance to define your own path. If you choose to equate God to a kid's cartoon then that is your choice as well.

      July 7, 2011 at 10:58 pm |
  7. ReallyModComeON

    As far as saint hood goes none of us are free of sin. She regretted that decision every day of her life. That maybe be punishment enough. It is said even murderers can be forgiven by God. So in this spirit so she too can be forgiven. As far as the church should be concerned if she preaches the teachings of the church lived a life worth of saint hood, then a pass transgression should not alone preclude her from it. Besides, it is up to God to judge not us. But to those that speak out about what other Catholics feel is right, it does not matter what they think. It matters what God thinks, and just because a number of Catholics fall short does not change the law or make them less accountable. However, redefining sin is a dangerous road, and I would not want to face God trying to explain myself in that case.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
  8. b-spring

    The abortion word among extremely conservative American Catholics is a dirty one. However, what most Catholics don't understand that in order to be "pro-life" you must be "anti-death penalty," "anti-poverty," and "anti-discrimination." Unfortunately what has happened in American politics recently has been polarization among two parties that do not support a stance that encompasses the whole "pro-life" movement. The reason I mention this is because the debate about Dorthy Day stems from usually far right conservative Catholic ideology and theology. This encompasses both the far right as a political force and the far right within the Catholic Church. Unfortunately, American Catholics will continue to look at this issue as a "political" question instead of a moral one. This especially true in Midwestern Catholic dioceses. Lets pray that we can separate Catholic theology from Evangelical political theory that does not encompass the whole of Catholicism.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Your premise is predicated on Catholics being rational.

      Regretably their imaginary sky freind always gives them the means to avoid things like consistency!

      July 7, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
    • wyatt

      Pretty sure Catholics are pro-charity (anti-poverty), though they might contribute directly to charity instead of just voting for others to do it without choice.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
    • b-spring

      Thanks for calling me rational. That's becoming a hard truth for most in the American Catholic Church. Too much mysticism and then over-the-top blending of Church and State. Its a sad state of affairs.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
    • TC

      Demuth- I agree it is predicated on people being rational but it has nothing to do with Catholics – it's all people, even the ones that delude themselves with the spontaneous creation of the universe and intelligent design does not exist and we are our own masters of the universe – wow scary thought and you call people who believe in God irrational?

      July 7, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
    • b-spring

      Who are we to determine the way God created the universe? What if the big bang wasn't actually a spontaneous event, if you really are about intelligent design, you must admit that the ability to understand science. The "thumb print" of God, with our rational minds is proof that there is a singularity in the universe. We get too bogged down in semantics with this argument as Christians. If we want to be somewhat rational in an argument for intelligent design we will conclude that the ability and love for searching for scientific truth shows something within us as humans to understand our origins. I don't understand why this is so complicated for so many smart people. Besides, we are discussing Dorthy Day and if someone who has an abortion can make it into sainthood? Correct?

      July 7, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
    • William Demuth


      You assume I use science as my religion.

      You are wrong.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:44 pm |
    • ReallyModComeON

      I feel people get lead astray when they see a modern concept or popular act. It sounds cool, they point out how many people now agree with them, and they use this to rewrite the Bible to support said behavior. Instead they should read the Bible, see something new happening on the scene and look to the Bible to tell them how they should come down on the issue. Not let the issue determine how the will read and interpret the Bible. People feel that modern times should determine how they read the Bible, rather then let the Bible answer how they should look at modern times.

      July 7, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • TC

      Demuth – I assume you give credit to no deity and purport your personal beliefs as truths.

      July 7, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • William Demuth


      I am solely concerned with the facts on the ground.

      Being entranced by the big picture leaves the squirell as road kill, and the other squirells with a new God.

      July 8, 2011 at 8:54 am |
  9. Darrel Texas

    Why doesn't the man who planted yee seed in though Winch pay the price and be excommunicated from the Church? Churches always go after the weakest.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
  10. vel

    oh and make anyone a saint that can keep people in the pews, hypocrite or not. Nice to see that the RCC is quite capitalistic, anything for a buck in those collection plates.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
    • TC

      Difference with those collection plates in the RCC is RCC started hospitals and public education and continues ot fund so many ministries. NIce try though!

      July 7, 2011 at 4:44 pm |
    • Stevie7

      And hush money. Don't forget about hush money.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
    • C Scott

      And just how many years of experience within an RCC congregation have you had to lead you to such a conclusion?

      July 7, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
  11. Molly Mac

    The thing about saints, especially those canonized in the last 125 years or so, it that they are eminently imperfect; they embody the concept of "sinner" as do we all. It is not about their perfection but about how they are able, in the sinful state of a human, live a life that is consecrated to God.

    St Augustine was a libertine, St Thomas Aquinas was a glutton; the First Pope, St Peter was prone to rage, St Paul actively participated in the murder of Christians. The list of sinners who are examples of what God's love can do in our lives is nearly endless.

    Dorthea Day is well loved and embraced by many Catholics. The fact that she found herself in the painful position of having an abortion doesn't make her any less of a role model for modern Catholics today; it is one incident in a long, rich life. Given the economic times today, more of us would do well to follow her example.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • vel

      you mean have your cake and eat it too? Oooh, I'm such a sinner, sin sin sin. Ohhh, God forgive me. It's like God is some kind of eternal slot machine. Screw up all you want, this omniscience ignoramus will forgive you again and again, knowing that you've never been sincere.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
    • Thinker's Dam

      vel, I'm not sure why you comment on this kind of article. Perhaps you should try to figure out why religion makes you so bitter and angry that you enjoy insulting religious people. There isn't a religious person in the world who would pay attention to your insults, and meantime you show that no kind or generous person, religious or not, would want to associate with you. Also, not all religious people are dogmatic and close-minded. Many, including myself, have had real life experiences that prove that there is some mystery behind reality that we cannot explain this side of death. Many, including people I know personally, have been visited by deceased relatives. And I personally feel that investigating that mystery is a worthy endeavor.

      Sounds like you are saying that a parent who forgives his or her child over and over is a moron. How many times does a child fall over before learning to walk? What if you were never forgiven for falling down the first time? Even for actual misbehavior, like hitting a sibling, there is nothing about forgiveness that says a parent can't simultaneously discipline the child. The original meaning of the greek work "sin" was in archery, and meant to "miss the mark". It didn't mean we get a black mark on our souls that we can never erase. We are simply supposed to try harder, and keep practicing. No parent judges the worth of his or her children by how much they acted up when they were 3. It is how they act when they are adults that matters. And even then, a good parent will still love them. We seem to be in the position of children being guided to become loving, generous adults. Perhaps in the next world.

      July 7, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
  12. JustinH

    Grace. You believe it or you don't.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
  13. vel

    I'm an atheist and I do not experience "God" at all, certainly not as a "lonely darkness". It's rather like saying that I experience Darth Vader.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • AR

      No, Jesus... I AM your father!

      July 7, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
  14. McColm

    They've canonized Constantine, one of the great monsters of history. They didn't hold their collective nose while canonizing Cyril and Dominic – those two were canonized for services rendered, which involved a certain amount of what can only be called religiously motivated murder. Terror might be a better word for it. Yeah, yeah, Dominic was absolutely shocked, shocked, and speaking of being shocked, Pius XII soon will be canonized, although his spiritual brothers Urban II and Innocent III seem left behind, another lesson on the unfairness of life. (Anyway, Urban has been beatified, so perhaps his day will come soon.) And amidst this medley of carnage and lies, the objection to Dorothy Day is ...

    July 7, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
    • Convert007

      ...coming from outside of the Church.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:24 pm |
  15. Matt

    This article did not even mention the requirements for sainthood. Does the author think that sainthood is given to great people in the Catholic church who live good lives? Being a good person does not make you a saint, no matter if you made a mistake or not. Look up what is required before writing this useless article.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
    • Sarah

      So, sainthood isn't given to good people in the Catholic Church who lived good lives? Thank God I'm Greek Orthodox, a religion in which sainthood is given to those who do just that; that is, great people who live exemplary good lives in the image of Christ. For us, we know that we can each achieve sainthood because of our inherent capacity for goodness and we are called upon to strive for that. What else does it take in the Catholic Church, being pre-ordained in some manner?

      July 7, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
    • TC

      Your post makes no sense. But I agree this article did not resonate a rationale thought.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
    • Convert007

      Sarah, you miss the point of sainthood. It really is not about what you do with your life, but what God does with it! We can all show up to church and give alms etc, etc...deosn't mean that we are saints, tho' we may be good people.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
  16. David Johnson

    Psalm 127:3 – Children are a gift of the LORD

    Hmmm... Well, the bible says it, so I believe it. Children are god's gift!

    Notice how god doesn't check to see if a woman is capable of raising a child, before he gives a baby to them?

    Women in poor countries bear children, only to have them die, because Mom has no food.

    Women addicted to drugs are given babies, when they are totally incapable of taking care of themselves, much less a child.

    Girls are blessed with a baby they don't want. Why are babies given to women who don't want them?

    If god would be more careful with giving out gifts/children, abortion wouldn't be needed.

    And remember, there are a lot of women, who god refuses His gift. They would be overjoyed with god's gift. No abortions in their homes!

    God works in mysterious ways. It's almost as if He doesn't exist...

    We should start real $ex education in school. Not abstinence only. Real education about the use of birth control.

    We will never totally eradicate abortions. Only a god could do that, and he either does not care, or does not exist.


    July 7, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
    • mikep

      "It's almost as if He doesn't exist" You almost got it right. Almost.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
    • Observer

      The Bible does more to support abortion than oppose it.

      The Bible says NOTHING specifically about abortion.
      The Bible is full of commands from God to kill women. NEVER ONCE does God give a rip if they are pregnant or not.
      Actions speak louder than words.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
    • William Demuth

      The Christian God is a negligent God.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
    • cmtshocked

      You are my new favorite commentator. Could not agree more

      July 7, 2011 at 4:32 pm |
  17. Beth

    "Day's case raises a parallel question. Can you be a saint if you have committed the original sin of contemporary Catholicism?"

    Yes. God can and does use people who have led less than ideal lives before turning to Christ. I'm living proof of that.
    Btw, just because someone led a wild life in the past, that doesn't necessarily mean they condone that lifestyle now.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • William Demuth

      So Beth I guess you aborted?

      July 7, 2011 at 4:09 pm |
    • Beth

      No, but, I did become pregnant as a teen. I completely disregarded my pregnancy, abused my body with prescription drugs and alcohol, and eventually miscarried. I knew I was pregnant.
      It's been nearly two decades since that happened. I spent a lot of time grieving over what I did. Asking for forgiveness was the only thing that brought me any peace. I have spent a lot of my time since then working with young people, and I have children of my own. I still live with what I did, but it spurs me on. I don't think I would feel that way if I'd been the "good girl."

      July 7, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @William Demuth

      You asked: "So Beth I guess you aborted?"

      No sin in that, even if she did. It was / is every woman's right. A fetus is not a baby until it can live on its own.


      July 7, 2011 at 4:23 pm |
    • William Demuth

      SO how ya been?

      Haven't seen you in years!

      Wanna party?

      July 7, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
    • Rebuttal

      @David Johnson
      So, by that logic, we should kill quadriplegics, people stricken with Alzheimer's, and the elderly that can't "live on their own?" Moron.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
    • David Johnson


      "So, by that logic, we should kill quadriplegics, people stricken with Alzheimer's, and the elderly that can't "live on their own?" Moron."

      No. Having been born, the people you listed would have "the right to life". A fetus is not an actual human being—it is a potential human being.

      The term you are talking about would be euthanasia. An entirely different subject.


      July 7, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
  18. alex208

    The premise of this article is stupid and shows much ignorance to Christianity. Some of the saints were also people who committed great sins even murder.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
  19. LouAz

    The Saints were 11 and 5 last Season. I don't think this gal could help them much . . .

    July 7, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Perhaps the Devils will pick her up as a free agent.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • LouAz

      No, William, haboobs are not big enough.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
    • Ah C'mon already

      LOL Lou!

      July 7, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • Convert007

      Ahh...CNN, home of the intellectual Giants!

      July 7, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
  20. mary

    No.. No sainthood for a woman who had an abortion.
    Sounds more like she didn't like the fact women can be hurt by dirty uncaring doctors.. Than the child who was ripped out of her and left to die.

    July 7, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • Ru

      OMG please get off your drama queen high horse.. Crazy fundamentalist

      July 7, 2011 at 4:24 pm |
    • David Johnson


      You said: "No.. No sainthood for a woman who had an abortion.
      Sounds more like she didn't like the fact women can be hurt by dirty uncaring doctors.. Than the child who was ripped out of her and left to die."

      Since 1973, abortions are done in sterile conditions. The doctor may be fat, but not dirty. There are currently 1.3 million abortions performed each year in the United States. 58% are under 9 weeks – Source: Pro-Life Action League.

      So, things have come a long way, since the days of back alley abortions. Like modern dentistry, it is painless!


      July 7, 2011 at 4:44 pm |
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