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Child's grisly murder shocks Jewish Brooklyn neighborhood
The scene on Wednesday in front of the residence where Leiby Kletzky lived.
July 14th, 2011
04:53 PM ET

Child's grisly murder shocks Jewish Brooklyn neighborhood

By Dan Gilgoff and Eric Marrapodi, CNN

Brooklyn, New York (CNN) – An 8-year-old's grisly murder would shock any community, but there's an added layer of astonishment in this neighborhood because the alleged killer appears to hail from the same close-knit religious community as the victim.

On Thursday, New York police charged a 35-year-old man with the killing of Leiby Kletzky, an Orthodox Jewish boy, after officers found human remains in the man's refrigerator and a trash bin.

The alleged killer also appears to be an Orthodox Jew who lived relatively nearby to Kletzky, according to community members.

"You can't possibly describe how tragic this is and how upset people are this boy was murdered by a person living in the community, who shares his religion and his neighborhood," said Ezra Friedlander, who lives in Borough Park, the neighborhood where Kletzky went missing on Monday.

On Thursday, Levi Aron was arraigned on first degree murder and kidnapping charges in Brooklyn in connection with Kletzky's death.

"It would have been extremely scary if a terrorist would have come into the community and killed a boy, but when it's one of your own you feel even more vulnerable," said Friedlander, a public relations executive who represents many Orthodox Jewish clients.

"The level of fear that mothers and fathers and children here are experiencing is something that I never witnessed before," he said.

Police say the 35-year-old Levi Aron made statements Wednesday implicating himself in the death of Leiby Kletzky.

Kletzky was supposed to meet his parents after walking seven blocks from his summer day camp, but became lost and asked the suspect for directions, New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said.

Menachem Freed, a 37-year-old Orthodox Jew whose 9-year-old son was Kletzky's classmate, said the community prides itself on its faith-based unity.

Borough Park is composed mostly of Hasidic Jews and non-Hasidic ultra-Orthodox Jews of Eastern European descent. Signs for everything from pediatricians' offices to a pizza parlor are in both Hebrew and English.

Families with young children are everywhere, with streams of women pushing strollers down sidewalks and bearded Hasidic men piloting minivans through narrow streets.

"We all believe in the same ideas," Freed said, standing outside his son's preschool, where he showed up Thursday to help children deal with the murder.

On Monday night, Freed and his family had joined with other Orthodox Jews from the neighborhood to search for Kletzky.

The neighborhood's Jewish security patrol force - called the shomrim - searched for the boy through the night.

Working from surveillance video that showed Aron entering a dentist's office Monday while Kletzky waited for him across the street for seven minutes, police arrived at Aron's residence at 2:40 a.m. Wednesday to ask about the boy's whereabouts.

The suspect pointed them to the kitchen, where blood was visible on the freezer handle. Inside the refrigerator was a cutting board with three blood-spattered carving knives, Kelly said.

"A lot of people were saying that they would think differently about what they would allow their children to do," said Josh Nathan-Kazis, a staff writer for the Jewish newspaper The Forward, who is covering neighborhood reaction to Kletzky's murder.

"When you're there, it feels like a small town: Everybody knows each other," said Nathan-Kazis, describing Borough Park. "The fact that the alleged perpetrator was more or less from the same community, it's like they don't know who to trust."

There are questions about how active Aron was in the Jewish community, but pictures of him that have surfaced show him in traditional Orthodox Jewish dress.

New York State Assemblyman Dov Hikind said the largely insular Orthodox neighborhood bred a sense of trust among adults and children.

"Borough Park is a largely Hasidic, Orthodox neighborhood - most people have beards and side curls," he said. "Often kids will trust someone who looks like their father or looks like their friend or like their teachers and say, 'Oh, this guy must be safe."

"This is not the case, never should have been the case," he continued. "You've got to be very, very careful. You've got to teach your kids. You've got to talk to your kids."

A young father who was pushing two strollers with children in Borough Park on Thursday said his rabbis told him to explain to his children that such a murder only happens "once in 10 years or even once in a lifetime."

Like many Orthodox Jews interviewed here, the man declined to give his name.

Nathan-Kazis said that rumors had begun emerging in Borough Park's Orthodox community that portrayed Aron as something of an outsider.

One such rumor suggested that Aron is a Sephardic Jew - meaning of Spanish of North African descent - unlike most Borough Park Jews, who are Ashkenazi, or of Eastern European descent.

"You could see the community struggling with the fact that the suspect is Jewish and lived nearby and at the same time protect a sense of safety in the community," Nathan-Kazis said.

Thousands of Orthodox Jews turned out for Kletzky's funeral on Wednesday.

On Thursday, community members organized an effort to initiate a Torah scroll in Kletzky's name.

"It's an extremely lofty way to elevate someone's memory," Friedlander said of the scroll. "Not every person has a Torah in their name."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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  1. Gabi

    He is not a man of God anymore. I would take his little Kippah off and explain to him, that not only did he violate the laws of this society, he also violated the laws of his religion and therefor does no longer have the privilege to wear any symbol depicting his so-thought relationship with this religion.
    If there is a devil he has manifested himself in Brooklyn and Norway recently.

    July 24, 2011 at 1:42 am |
  2. Muneef

    Every white man crime is considered as being a mentally ill/sick, and every Muslim crime is considered as a Terrorist act...!

    Soonest any crimes or explosions take place in the West every body with out hesitations assumes or accuses the Muslims living in thse Western Countries....!  
    http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1029515–suspect-in-norway-attacks-bought-six-tons-of-fertilizer?bn=1

    July 23, 2011 at 5:03 pm |
  3. Muneef

    Guess NY has to consider justice from first sign and not wait until a row of innocents is accomplished by hate ;

    Texas death row killer forgiven by shooting victim
    By Alastair Leithead
    BBC News, Texas
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14199078
    ----

    Texas man executed for 9/11 revenge killing of store clerk, despite plea from surviving victim
    By Edecio Martinez Topics Daily Blotter
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20081367-504083.html

    Say (O Prophet!): The evil and the good are not equal even though the excess and abundance of the evil may impress you. So, O people of understanding, be mindful of your duty to God that you may succeed." Al-Qur'an, 5:100

    “The two feet of the son of Adam [human being] will not move on the Day of Judgment in front of God until he is asked about five things: about his life, and how he spent it? And (more specifically) about his youth, what did he consume it in? And about his money, how did he earn it? And on what did he spend it? And how much did he act upon what he knew?” Hadith

    July 22, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
  4. Muneef

    The Power Of Words.
    Change your Words.
    Change your Woorlds.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzgzim5m7oU

    July 21, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
  5. Muneef

    Hana.

    How about if we open the eyes to where we are heading while breaking necks of each other we are due to face starvation and guess what happens when faced with starvation....just wonder is Somalian and others suffering the drought and famine had reached the point of no return;
    Middle Ages
    Historical instances of widespread cannibalism are most often connected to extreme social upheavals, such as drought, plague and war, which result in devastating famine. For example, reports of cannibalism were recorded during the First Crusade, as famished Crusaders reportedly fed on the bodies of their dead opponents following the Siege of Ma'arrat al-Numan. Amin Maalouf also discusses further cannibalism incidents on the march to Jerusalem, and to the efforts made to delete mention of these from western history.
    http://www.crystalinks.com/cannibalism.html

    Horrific global food crisis is looming
    26.04.2011
     
    In case you haven't noticed, the world is on the verge of a horrific global food crisis.  At some point, this crisis will affect you and your family.  It may not be today, and it may not be tomorrow, but it is going to happen.  Crazy weather and horrifying natural disasters have played havoc with agricultural production in many areas of the globe over the past couple of years.  Meanwhile, the price of oil has begun to skyrocket.  The entire global economy is predicated on the ability to use massive amounts of inexpensive oil to cheaply produce food and other goods and transport them over vast distances.  Without cheap oil the whole game changes.  Topsoil is being depleted at a staggering rate and key aquifers all over the world are being drained at an alarming pace.  Global food prices are already at an all-time high and they continue to move up aggressively.  So what is going to happen to our world when hundreds of millions more people cannot afford to feed themselves?
    http://english.pravda.ru/business/finance/26-04-2011/117704-food_crisis-0/

    July 20, 2011 at 9:10 pm |
    • SoundOfForest

      Muneef, your Prophet Jesus is coming back, but He is much more than a Prophet. You must trust Him as your only Savior and Lord, acknowledging His divinity as the Word of God clearly teaches so.

      July 21, 2011 at 4:28 am |
    • Muneef

      It is too early for Prophet and Messenger of God Jesus (saws) to land from heavens as was told....therefore do not relay on that since many other generations passed by waiting for him or expecting Life to End....

      We ought to make changes our selves and not wait for centuries until then....
      Hadith told that "If had a plant in hand at time they shouted being end of time, that we ought to plant it even if it was end of life on earth". This means life has to carry on even if was expecting it end...for that reason we ought to make changes and not wait until Jesus (saws) comes to make changes for us to the better...!

      July 21, 2011 at 1:37 pm |
  6. tm

    what is wrong with all of you? you sit here and debate religion and at the end of the day no one cares what you believe in and no one is going to change what they believe in because of this. the only thing you're doing is showing how unsensitive you are. this article is about an 8 year old boy who was killed by someone else in a gruesome manner. who cares about the religion of either the boy or the murderer. this was a sick individual who did this not a jew or christian or muslim- that is irrelevant. stop the debate because it's the wrong time and place for it. thank you

    July 20, 2011 at 12:52 pm |
    • Hana

      If you have not noticed, that was the point of my posts.

      July 20, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
    • SoundOfForest

      @Tm, we talked about him already and the topic shifted. We prayed for the victim's family and for the criminal's repentance. The main content of anyone's comments must be in previous pages. I posted to comfort Israel from the Bible passage.

      July 21, 2011 at 4:11 am |
    • D

      THANK you!

      July 22, 2011 at 4:04 am |
  7. SoundOfForest

    Judaism and Islam = serious, but futile attempts to reach the true God. Many misunderstandings on God
    Hinduism = wild imagination, self-defeat, permanent mass slavery
    Buddhism = humble attempts without real substance, inability for justice
    atheism = mass murder, worship of self, blasphemy
    All other religions = no logic, no intelligence
    Christianity = only true religion with the Divine Savior's forgiveness and salvation that made the world civil,
    true love and concrete justice

    July 20, 2011 at 6:12 am |
  8. SoundOfForest

    @Hana, Vatican and Popes have been wrong in those areas. I don't understand why you claim to be Muslim if Islam does not offer salvation exclusively. It's meaningless to have any religion if one thinks of religiuon as you do. The Jews need Jesus for salvation. You target me because you hate the exclusive claim of Christ. You are in error.

    July 20, 2011 at 6:06 am |
    • Hana

      No, I target you because you lie, you manipulate, and you spout out hate. I target you because you act completely opposite of what a Christian is taught to act like.

      I love Christianity as a faith. I simply dont agree with it as MY faith. I accept Jesus as my prophet, just not as God. I have no hate toward Christianity what so ever. In fact, I am trying to defend the faith from the abuse it gets in having you claim to be its judge and spokes person.

      At this point I dont even think you really are Christian. You claimed in on post to be Orthodox Christian, but have no knowledge of the Eastern Rite Christian Orthodox Churches in the Middle East (including Greek Orthodox apparently). You constantly rail against the "blaspheming west" and its "sugar coated Gospels" so it sounds like you hate Protestantism. You only quote the Bible, so you are likely not Mormon. You claim to know more or better than 3 Popes and the official stand of the Vatican, so must not be Catholic then. There really is not much left. Except maybe Jehovah's Witness, and they are not Orthodox as you claim yourself to be.

      July 20, 2011 at 10:39 am |
    • SoundOfForest

      @Hana, Jehovah's Witness even don't have an honestly translated Bible. They are not Christian. I never claimed to be Orthodox Christian as my denomination. I only claimed the orthodoxy. And it should not be important for you to find my denomination. I cannot care whether you are a real Muslim or a Hinduistic Westerner who claim to be Muslim. You can't avoid the exclusive claim of the Bible and of the Christianity if you conduct authentic study. You'll have to hate the Bible and Christianity. Hana, tell me, how can a human being get saved according to your knowledge? If any religion can do it, why did you choose Islam? I mean, what necessity is there to choose a religion if any religion can save?

      July 21, 2011 at 4:23 am |
    • SoundOfForest

      The Bible, the eternal Word of God, declares that putting faith in Jesus alone is the only Way of salvation for any human being. Jesus did the atoning work for us. Humans cannot save themselves.

      July 21, 2011 at 4:33 am |
    • Hana

      @SoundofForest

      I only question your denomination because of your ability to stand in judgement of every other person that calls themselves Christian. According to you, no one is a true Christian or knows God but you (and possibly your church).

      It really is sad to see that amount of hate and judgment from someone. It gives all of Christianity such a bad reputation.

      July 21, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
    • Hana

      @SoundofForest

      By the way, try learning something about anything outside of your own church. In Islam, we also believe Jesus is a prophet and that he will return to earth to fight the anti-Christ. So, waving around threats like that to scare people into converting is like telling the Red Cross to gather supplies for the upcoming storm.

      As for the salvation part, we believe you earn your way to heaven through being a good person and submitting to God. The rest is up to God alone to judge. He may show mercy, he may not.

      July 21, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
  9. SoundOfForest

    @Hana, thanks, but your post is too long. Practicing writing shorter comments for me if you want my reply, unles you are writing a news article itself. Meet me somewhere else, in newer news. Read the Bible; it will blow your mind away. You'll keep beating the bush of abysmal ignorance if you refuse to read the Bible and still try to reason.

    July 20, 2011 at 6:01 am |
    • Hana

      Oh thats right. You are too scared of learning too much so you run away and hide from long posts that might actually teach you something.

      July 20, 2011 at 10:41 am |
  10. Hana

    @ SoundofForest

    Afraid of facts? Then why is it that I not only study my own faith, but read the Bible, read docu-ments from the Vatican, read the Book of Mormon, study science, history, and culture? I have no fear of facts. All you offer are a few quotes from the Bible and warped opinions.

    You do not even honor your own faith. By your specific flavor of zealotry, I am thinking you are a rather conservative Catholic, maybe even a convert.

    But, I am guessing that I spend more time on the Vatican's website than you do. As I also know a few more interesting FACTS.

    In 1965, Pope Paul VI wrote a lovely proclamation about how good Catholics should treat people of other religious faiths. Where in this was said, along with several more beautiful statements...
    "Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel's spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone."

    It is a view later re-as-serted by Pope John Paul II. "“The followers of Christ must have the gentle and humble heart of their Master, never proud, never con-descending, as they meet their partners in dialogue..." Among others.

    And then again, this once again brought up in a speech by the Under-Secretary of the Pontifical Council for Inter-religious Dialogue in 2008. In this one they expand on the following teachings...
    "The Christian partner in dialogue must always remain faithful to his/her faith profession. To do this she need not pretend to be superior to the other, nor should she present herself in the spirit of triumpha-lism to the partner in dialogue. The Christian must not forget that “Equality, which is a presupposition of interreligious dialogue, refers to the equal personal dignity of the parties in dialogue, not to doctrinal content, not even less to the position of Jesus Christ – who is God himself made man – in relation to the founders of the other religions”"

    Now please... for the sake of your own honor, faith, and reputation.... please stop posting such arrogant and inappropriate com-ments trying to convert Jews on a topic about a boys murder.

    July 20, 2011 at 1:49 am |
    • Hana

      Again, this was meant to be posted in response to another conversation. My apologies.

      But, SoundofForest, if you need proof of my quotes, you can find them here...

      http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/migrants/pom2008_106-suppl/rc_pc_migrants_pom106-suppl-I_witnesses-hope-machado.html

      http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/docu(take out this space and brackets)ments/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

      Please notice that I inserted a section between the docu()ments. Remove that to get the second address to work.

      July 20, 2011 at 1:52 am |
  11. John

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGSvqMBj-ig
    'I

    July 19, 2011 at 11:02 pm |
    • ....

      TROLL ALERT – don't bother viewing this garbage, click the report abuse link to get rid of this troll.

      July 21, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
  12. SoundOfForest

    Jesus said, "If you do not believe that I am He(God), you will indeed die in your sins. If you hold to My teaching, you are really My disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. I am the gate; whoever enters through Me will be saved. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. I am the Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd lays down His life for the sheep(people)." (from the Gospel of John in the New Testament Bible)

    July 19, 2011 at 10:45 pm |
  13. Muneef

    Traits of the Righteous

    [25:63] The worshipers of the Most Gracious are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace.

    [25:64] In the privacy of the night, they meditate on their Lord, and fall prostrate.

    [25:65] And they say, "Our Lord, spare us the agony of Hell; its retribution is horrendous.

    [25:66] "It is the worst abode; the worst destiny."

    [25:67] When they give, they are neither extr-ava-gant nor stin-gy; they give in moderation.

    [25:68] They never implore beside GOD any other god, nor do they kill anyone – for GOD has made life sacred – except in the course of justice. Nor do they commit adultery. Those who commit these offenses will have to pay.

    [25:69] Retribution is doubled for them on the Day of Resurrection, and they abide therein hum-ili-ated.

    [25:70] Exempted are those who repent, believe, and lead a righteous life. GOD transforms their sins into credits. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

    [25:71] Those who repent and lead a righteous life, GOD redeems them; a complete redemption.

    [25:72] They do not bear false witness. When they encounter vain talk, they ignore it.

    [25:73] When reminded of their Lord's revelations, they never react to them as if they were deaf and blind.

    [25:74] And they say, "Our Lord, let our spouses and children be a source of joy for us, and keep us in the forefront of the righteous."

    [25:75] These are the ones who attain Paradise in return for their steadfastness; they are received therein with joyous greetings and peace.

    [25:76] Eternally they abide therein; what a beautiful destiny; what a beautiful abode.

    [25:77] Say, "You attain value at my Lord only through your worship. But if you disbelieve, you incur the inevitable consequences."
    --

    July 19, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
    • Hana

      Assalam alaykum, brother Muneef,

      Please. Like I have pointed out to SoundofForest, or whatever her name is at the moment, constantly posting quotes from the Bible or the Quran does not help your case. It only frustrates people and pushes them further away. I truly do appreciate your intentions. But, it is not an effective form of Dawa. Perhaps just joining the conversations, being willing to answer questions and correct misinformation is enough? I dont know, its just a thought.

      July 20, 2011 at 1:58 am |
    • Muneef

      Wa AlikumAlsalam,sister Hana.

      Will give your thought a consideration since you are here you are better than me in expressing with words in favor of the The Mere Truth about God,Angels,Scriptures,Prophets&Messengers whether in Islam or Christian or Judaism as within their Holy Book...
      Have began to feel lately that am not that eager to write or even paste any more and do not know if because subjects are either boring or serves no purpose, nor the participate are people eager to share learning and teachings but rather just wasting time...although I should admit having came across some who are eager and good mannered in matter of speaking...

      July 20, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
    • Muneef

      Dear Sister Hana.

      Hmm will give it a thought.. although many have tried before you but could not resist the opportunity to make the Quran speak for it self rather than me giving it other words or way of telling....who would believe my words if already not believing any words of the Holy Books that are pasted to them herewith have they asked what it meant we could have explained further in our own words or by quotes of verses.
      Have always been thinking about leaving the only Blog i ever Wrote at (CNN.Religion) all together but been hesitating now that... Read the verses may you understand;
      ---
      Jonah
      [21:87] And Zan-Noon (Jonah, "the one with an `N' in his name"), abandoned his mission in protest, thinking that we could not control him. He ended up imploring from the darkness (of the big fish's belly): "There is no god other than You. Be You glorified. I have committed a gross sin."

      [21:88] We responded to him, and saved him from the crisis; we thus save the believers.
      ---–
      You see I see it as either I will end up in the fish belly if I left or that I might already be in the fish belly and await to be saved...!

      July 20, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
    • Hana

      Salam, I do not mean to suggest that you leave all together. Only that solid blocks of verses from Holy Books are intimidating to many. And it makes it more likely that people will not read it at all. Open and honest discussion is less intimidating and shows more respect.. Plus, quotes are far more effective if used to support a point.

      July 20, 2011 at 8:18 pm |
    • Muneef

      Sister Hana.

      I know you did not mean about leaving so please do not worry...thanks

      July 21, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
  14. Horace

    Who said these:

    1. You'll never find a better sparring partner than adversity.

    2. We Jews have a secret weapon in our struggle with the Arabs; we have no place to go.

    3. We do not rejoice in victories. We rejoice when a new kind of cotton is grown and when strawberries bloom in Israel.

    4. To be successful, a woman has to be much better at her job than a man.

    5. Those who don't know how to weep with their whole heart, don't know how to laugh either.

    6. The Egyptians could run to Egypt, the Syrians into Syria. The only place we could run was into the sea, and before we did that we might as well fight.

    7. Pessimism is a luxury that a Jew can never allow himself.

    8. A leader who doesn't hesitate before he sends his nation into battle is not fit to be a leader.

    9. Don't be humble... you're not that great.

    10. Let me tell you something that we Israelis have against Moses. He took us 40 years through the desert in order to bring us to the one spot in the Middle East that has no oil !

    Golda Meir.

    July 19, 2011 at 8:06 am |
    • SoundOfForest

      Regarding #10, Israel doesn't need oil. Intelligence and discipline are Israel's asset, though she really should trust in Yeshua her Messiah.

      July 19, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • SoundOfForest

      The list need some fix: #1 – Let God be your partner and Lord. #2 – You have God's dwelling. #3 – Rejoice in justice as well. #4 – To be successful, man better have a better purpose than that of woman. #5 – Jesus wept for you. #6 – Almighty God fights for you. #7 – Jews are great they blame no one for all the ills. #8 – Jesus sacrificed Himself first before asking your committment. #9 – Humble yourself before God all the time. #10 – Israel needs no oil as she has better gifts.

      July 19, 2011 at 11:56 am |
    • Muneef

      Horace.

      May I kindly ask if you think this quote is a fact;

      6. The Egyptians could run to Egypt, the Syrians into Syria. The only place we could run was into the sea, and before we did that we might as well fight.

      --
      This sound as if Aliens landed from the sky? Where did those come from in the first place ? Think majority if not most of non Arabs there have dual nationality... !! It is a land of the Arabs whether Jews or Christians or Muslims and all have ritual beliefs connected with the area.... Non Arabs can be guests or residents but not rulers over the historical land owners...

      July 19, 2011 at 6:13 pm |
    • Muneef

      Horace.

      10. Let me tell you something that we Israelis have against Moses. He took us 40 years through the desert in order to bring us to the one spot in the Middle East that has no oil !
      --–

      The Prophet and Messenger of God (saws).. Has brought them Children of Israel or actually what was left of them after the killing they had between them for producing and worshipping the Golden Heifer after crossing The sea when Moses had to go for his isolation to receive the First Commandments...
      After that there were losses of life's for drinking from waters they were told not to.
      Finally when they got to Jerusalem he told them to get ready to fight their way through and they answered him ;
      ---
      [5:20] Recall that Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember GOD's blessings upon you: He appointed prophets from among you, made you kings, and granted you what He never granted any other people.

      God Gives the Holy Land to Israel
      [5:21] "O my people, enter the holy land that GOD has decreed for you, and do not rebel, lest you become losers."

      [5:22] They said, "O Moses, there are powerful people in it, and we will not enter it, unless they get out of it. If they get out, we are entering."

      [5:23] Two men who were reverent and blessed by GOD said, "Just enter the gate. If you just enter it, you will surely prevail. You must trust in GOD, if you are believers."

      Despite All the Miracles They Saw
      [5:24] They said, "O Moses, we will never enter it, so long as they are in it. Therefore, go – you and your Lord – and fight. We are sitting right here."

      [5:25] He said, "My Lord, I can only control myself and my brother. So, allow us to part company with the wicked people."

      [5:26] He said, "Henceforth, it is forbidden them for forty years, during which they will roam the earth aimlessly. Do not grieve over such wicked people."
      ----

      The one spot that has no oil...what has the oil brought to the MidEast other than the world's Greeds and Deceive to it's people where majority are poor and minority are very rich ...!?! The Rich becomes Richer and the Poor become poorer slaving for the food of the day...?! Oil wales are owned by the state in partnership with foreign companies....if a land of mine became to found oil it will be con-fisc-ated by the state in some poor settlement... It's not like the US where your people might have the freedom to own a private oil wale in the back yard to sell it crude or maybe have your own refinery...!!

      July 19, 2011 at 7:08 pm |
    • Horace

      Golda Meir saw the situation then quite differently than how we think it was. She was there, we were not. She saw the dire situation Israel was in and she acted to the best of her knowledge and ability. Whether it was through sheer guts or luck or through divine intervention, Israel prevailed under her leadership.

      July 20, 2011 at 4:42 am |
    • Muneef

      My respect to her and her soul she acted at best of knowledge for her people right or wrong only God will be the Judge not any of us... Now here I think my remarks were some where else...

      July 20, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
  15. SoundOfForest

    Israel, face the fact. You made the Almighty God greatly suffer in His heart and also physically. But He kept loving you. He will recreate the entire universe for you. All those who violated you will be humbled and punished justly. Read the prophesies, but it won't make sense yo you if you leave out Jesus.

    "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a Spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on Me, the One they have pierced, and they will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for Him as one grieves for a firstborn son." (Zachariah 12:10)

    July 19, 2011 at 12:25 am |
  16. SoundOfForest

    Israel, behold how your Messiah suffered for you.
    He knows your pain and He loves you. Comfort awaits you. Trust Jesus.

    3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
    Like one from whom people hide their faces
    He was despised, and we held Him in low esteem.

    4 Surely He took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
    yet we considered Him punished by God,
    stricken by Him, and afflicted.
    5 But He was pierced for our transgressions,
    He was crushed for our iniquities;
    the punishment that brought us peace was on Him,
    and by His wounds we are healed.
    6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
    and the LORD has laid on Him
    the iniquity of us all.

    July 19, 2011 at 12:09 am |
    • SoundOfForest

      From the 3rd line to the last is taken from Isaiah chapter 53.

      July 19, 2011 at 12:10 am |
  17. Muneef

    http://www.ellenwhite.info/mad_cow_disease.htm

    So cows whom God has created to feed on green fodder and grass are now rather being fed with meat and blood of her own type...this way the Cow became a Pig like eating any and every thing..

    After that all they did now they expect to make it produce human milk for our babies....and wonder if her born babies will drink the same human milk from their mothers!?

    Then after all that mess being done they are telling Muslims and Jews that their slaughter of animals letting all blood out is cruel to the animal...

    That blood stored in the body and the meats contain all the mess man made other than carrying all that medicines or vitamins given to the animal...!!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/agriculture/geneticmodification/8423536/Genetically-modified-cows-produce-human-milk

    July 19, 2011 at 12:03 am |
    • Reality

      The Islam of human slaughter:

      The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

      ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

      and more recently

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,483 and 925 in non combat roles. 99,901 – 109,143 Iraqi civilians killed as of 3/3/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,141 killed in action, 242 killed in non-combat situations as of 03/03/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

      19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

      20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

      21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

      22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

      July 19, 2011 at 12:24 am |
  18. Muneef

    My gift for the innocent soul of the victim and his loving family...and may believers by reading the Dua's it becomes a blisses to the sad family.Amen.

    25 Dua'a from the Holy Quran;

    1. Our Lord! Grant us good in this world and good in the life to come and keep us safe from the torment of the Fire (2:201)

    2. Our Lord! Bestow on us endurance and make our foothold sure and give us help against those who reject faith. (2:250)

    3. Our Lord! Take us not to task if we forget or fall into error. (2:286)

    4. Our Lord! Lay not upon us such a burden as You did lay upon those before us. (2:286)

    5. Our Lord! Impose not on us that which we have not the strength to bear, grant us forgiveness and have mercy on us. You are our Protector. Help us against those who deny the truth. (2:286)

    6. Our Lord! Let not our hearts deviate from the truth after You have guided us, and bestow upon us mercy from Your grace. Verily You are the Giver of bounties without measure. (3:8)

    7. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and the lack of moderation in our doings, and make firm our steps and succour us against those who deny the truth.(3:147)

    8. Our Lord! Whomsoever You shall commit to the Fire, truly You have brought [him] to disgrace, and never will wrongdoers find any helpers (3:192)

    9. Our Lord! Behold we have heard a voice calling us unto faith: "Believe in your Lord" as we have believed. (3:193)

    10. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and efface our bad deeds and take our souls in the company of the righteous. (3:193)

    11. Our Lord! And grant us that which you have promised to us by Your messengers and save us from shame on the Day of Judgement. Verily You never fail to fulfill Your promise. (3:194)

    12. Our Lord! We have sinned against ourselves, and unless You grant us forgiveness and bestow Your mercy upon us, we shall most certainly be lost! (7:23)

    13. Our Lord! Place us not among the people who have been guilty of evildoing. (7:47)

    14. Our Lord! Lay open the truth between us and our people, for You are the best of all to lay open the truth. (7:89)
     
    15. Our Lord! Pour out on us patience and constancy, and make us die as those who have surrendered themselves unto You. (7:126)

    16. Our Lord! Make us not a trial for the evildoing folk, and save as by Your mercy from people who deny the truth (10:85-86)

    17. Our Lord! You truly know all that we may hide [in our hearts] as well as all that we bring into the open, for nothing whatever, be it on earth or in heaven, remains hidden from Allah (14:38)

    18. Our Lord! Bestow on us mercy from Your presence and dispose of our affairs for us in the right way. (18:10)

    19. Our Lord! Grant that our spouses and our offspring be a comfort to our eyes, and give us the grace to lead those who are conscious of You. (25:74)

    20. Our Lord! You embrace all things within Your Grace and Knowledge, forgive those who repent and follow Your path, and ward off from them the punishment of Hell. (40:7)

    21. Our Lord! Make them enter the Garden of Eden which You have promised to them, and to the righteous from among their fathers, their wives and their offspring, for verily You are alone the Almighty and the truly Wise. (40:8)

    22. Our Lord! Relieve us of the torment, for we do really believe. (44:12)

    23. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins as well as those of our brethren who proceeded us in faith and let not our hearts entertain any unworthy thoughts or feelings against [any of] those who have believed. Our Lord! You are indeed full of kindness and Most Merciful (59:10)

    24. Our Lord! In You we have placed our trust, and to You do we turn in repentance, for unto You is the end of all journeys. (60:4)

    25. Our Lord! Perfect our light for us and forgive us our sins, for verily You have power over all things. (66:8)

    Ackwnoledgements : Raza Azmi

    July 18, 2011 at 9:23 pm |
    • Reality

      Muneef, Muneef, Muneef,

      You again forgot to note these koranic passages:

      o "Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

      "Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)

      "Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

      "...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

      "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)

      "It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-)

      "If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)

      "Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)

      "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

      "Say: 'Praise be to God who has never begotten a son; who has no partner in His Kingdom..." (Surah 17:111)

      "'How shall I bear a child,' she [Mary] answered, 'when I am a virgin...?' 'Such is the will of the Lord,' he replied. 'That is no difficult thing for Him...God forbid that He [God[ Himself should beget a son!...Those who say: 'The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,' preach a monstrous falsehood..." (Surah 19:12-, 29-, 88)

      "Fight for the cause of God with the devotion due to Him...He has given you the name of Muslims..." (Surah 22:78-)
      "Blessed are the believers...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them)...These are the heirs of Paradise..." (Surah 23:1-5-)

      "Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)

      "Shall the reward of goodness be anything but good?...Dark-eyed virgins sheltered in their tents...They shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets...Blessed be the name of your Lord..." (Surah 55:52-66-)

      July 19, 2011 at 12:19 am |
    • Hana

      Reality,

      I would love to know exactly where you got your quotes from. I checked your sources, and the specific Surah's and verses that you list... well, more than half of them are not the quotes that you posted (including the ones focused on violence). Of the remaining includes the first one, the quotes about Jesus and Mary, and the last three. Yet even those were sometimes not in the exact verse quoted, and there are some questions of the translation you used.

      July 19, 2011 at 1:12 am |
    • Muneef

      How can deceive people into false Reality if not done as such?! Well many had done the same the Quran said and told about such been done by disbelievers...!

      July 19, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
    • Muneef

      Study the Quran carefully
      [47:24] Why do they not study the Quran carefully? Do they have locks on their minds?

      [47:25] Surely, those who slide back, after the guidance has been manifested to them, the devil has enticed them and led them on.

      [47:26] This is because they said to those who hated what GOD has sent down, "We will obey you in certain matters." GOD fully knows their secret conspiracies.

      [47:27] How will it be for them when the angels put them to death? They will beat them on their faces and their rear ends.

      [47:28] This is because they followed what angered GOD and hated the things that please Him. Consequently, He has nullified their works.

      [47:29] Did those who harbor doubts in their hearts think that GOD will not bring out their evil thoughts?

      [47:30] If we will, we can expose them for you, so that you can recognize them just by looking at them. However, you can recognize them by the way they talk. GOD is fully aware of all your works.

      [47:31] We will certainly put you to the test, in order to distinguish those among you who strive, and steadfastly persevere. We must expose your true qualities.

      [47:32] Those who disbelieve and repel from the path of GOD, and oppose the messenger after the guidance has been manifested for them, will never hurt GOD in the least. Instead, He nullifies their works.

      [47:33] O you who believe, you shall obey GOD, and obey the messenger. Otherwise, all your works will be in vain.

      The Great Disaster

      [47:34] Those who disbelieve and repel from the path of GOD, then die as disbelievers, GOD will never forgive them.

      [47:35] Therefore, you shall not waver and surrender in pursuit of peace, for you are guaranteed victory, and GOD is with you. He will never waste your efforts.

      [47:36] This worldly life is no more than play and vanity. But if you believe and lead a righteous life, He will reward you, without asking you for any money.

      [47:37] If He asked you for money, to the extent of creating a hardship for you, you might have become stingy, and your hidden evil might be exposed.

      [47:38] You are invited to spend in the cause of GOD, but some of you turn stingy. The stingy are stingy towards their own souls. GOD is Rich, while you are poor.

      July 19, 2011 at 8:14 pm |
    • Muneef

      The difference between those who believe and those who don't;

      Traits of the Righteous

      [25:63] The worshipers of the Most Gracious are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace.

      [25:64] In the privacy of the night, they meditate on their Lord, and fall prostrate.

      [25:65] And they say, "Our Lord, spare us the agony of Hell; its retribution is horrendous.

      [25:66] "It is the worst abode; the worst destiny."

      [25:67] When they give, they are neither extr-ava-gant nor stin-gy; they give in moderation.

      [25:68] They never implore beside GOD any other god, nor do they kill anyone – for GOD has made life sacred – except in the course of justice. Nor do they commit adultery. Those who commit these offenses will have to pay.

      [25:69] Retribution is doubled for them on the Day of Resurrection, and they abide therein hum-ili-ated.

      [25:70] Exempted are those who repent, believe, and lead a righteous life. GOD transforms their sins into credits. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

      [25:71] Those who repent and lead a righteous life, GOD redeems them; a complete redemption.

      [25:72] They do not bear false witness. When they encounter vain talk, they ignore it.

      [25:73] When reminded of their Lord's revelations, they never react to them as if they were deaf and blind.

      [25:74] And they say, "Our Lord, let our spouses and children be a source of joy for us, and keep us in the forefront of the righteous."

      [25:75] These are the ones who attain Paradise in return for their steadfastness; they are received therein with joyous greetings and peace.

      [25:76] Eternally they abide therein; what a beautiful destiny; what a beautiful abode.

      [25:77] Say, "You attain value at my Lord only through your worship. But if you disbelieve, you incur the inevitable consequences."
      --

      July 19, 2011 at 8:30 pm |
  19. D

    My heart goes out to the family and friends of this poor boy.

    And to those trying to justify racism/religionism, the fact is, some sick man killed a young boy. Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Pagan, Flying Spaghetti Monster fan, whatever, doesn't matter (We're all human). This 35 year old man preyed on someone not even a QUARTER of his age. THAT in itself should be what gets people angry, NOT religion.

    July 18, 2011 at 4:09 pm |
  20. Hana

    @ fimeilleur

    When Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) attempted to promote the heliocentric theory (that the earth moves around the sun) in the seventeenth century, he was tried by the Inquisition in Rome and found "vehemently suspect of heresy". The sentence imposed did not include excommunication, but he was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions and was placed under house arrest for the term of his life.

    Only in 1965 did the Catholic Church revoke its condemnation of Galileo.

    Where is the posthumous excommunication supposed to have happened?

    July 18, 2011 at 1:55 am |
    • Hana

      Sorry, this was meant to be a reply to a discussion on the previous page.

      July 18, 2011 at 1:57 am |
    • SoundOfForest

      What a light sentence he endured. All the scientists were so well treated comparing to the Bible-reading Christians both by secular authorities and the false Church authorities. Humans don't need to die to insist scientific theories anyway; you don't betray none by doing it. On the contrary, countless millions of Christians lost lives in order to read the Bible or to protect the defenseless.

      July 18, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
    • SoundOfForest

      True Christians suffered the most in degree and in scope and in number globally – even much more than the Jews in Holocaust.

      July 18, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • Hana

      @ SoundofForest

      Your posts make no sense what so ever.

      July 18, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
    • SoundOfForest

      Hana, get a wholesome knowledge on the world history. You atheists and Muslims' comprehension is pitifully partial.

      July 19, 2011 at 12:02 am |
    • Hana

      @ SoundofForest

      If you say so. I truly pity how you live in fear of real knowledge beyond the Bible.

      July 19, 2011 at 1:20 am |
    • SoundOfForest

      @Hana, it's all others who are afraid of facts, not Christians.

      July 19, 2011 at 11:38 am |
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