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July 15th, 2011
06:28 PM ET

Harry Potter and religion

Danielle Tumminio is a Yale University lecturer, Episcopal priest, and a regular here on the Belief Blog. Recently she spoke with CNN's Kyra Phillips about the connections between the "Harry Potter" series and faith.

You can read more about Tumminio's take on Harry Potter here My Take: Why we're drawn to Harry Potter's theology.

And read more from the Belief Blog on Harry Potter and religion here Harry Potter was a good Christian?

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Bible • Christianity

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  1. SnowVeil

    To the other (fake) SnowVeil:

    I'm the real SnowVeil. CNN blocks you from posting when I'm logged in. That's why your posts get blocked. It's not just because you're a useless t-it.

    And, ZeldalinaSent, I still love you so physically.

    July 16, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
    • Doh Me Noose Vo Bis Koom

      Oh oh, she stayed over at my place last night.

      July 16, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
  2. News Flash ....

    Hey RTC,
    Did you fee-gur out what was block-ing yur posts yesterday ? Doubt it can be content, as they could not possibly read THAT fast. (BTW we ALL know all about the "nau-ghty" word list). It it a flaw in WP's soft-ware ? We noticed if you reb00t sometimes it WILL fly.

    July 16, 2011 at 3:18 pm |
  3. SnowVeil

    CNN is rejecting me to post the Bible texts. Read Revelation 21:8 and 22:15. It talks about concequences of magic use.

    July 16, 2011 at 12:31 pm |
    • Reality

      "Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[30] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [31]

      Martin Luther "found it an offensive piece of work" and John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."[32]

      July 16, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      Most of the ones who read Revelations cannot understand ANY of it .. even those who teach it. Campings end-time fraud was possible because he could bee-eess about it .. it's like "What Ever Happened to BB Jane" fascinating .. but wee-erd. folks have an ap_pet_ite for strange (look at the movies).. they like it

      July 16, 2011 at 3:12 pm |
  4. SnowVeil

    CNN, why do you block me from posting?

    July 16, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
  5. RightTurnClyde

    Well now that I saw her on video I am certain she is the queen of the stuffed bunny god. Just when the athiests thought they had beaten down the other belief they have a whole new one worshiping stuffed bunnies and teddy bears. No doubt (in my mind) still likes to ride in the back seat while daddy drives and strap teddy bear so he won't get hurt. I am sure she can take teddy to lunch and share her McNuggets with him. (we can learn so much from teddy about being nice). What's amazing is that she really is where college curricula has gone .. a ten page paper with quotes and footnoting where teddy or bunny speak ... thus definitely antiquates Joan Crawford as the icon of nutty women.

    July 16, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      If you can imagine .. this analogy .. she is sitting in the back seat and either her husband or her father is driving and she is talking for teddy in the third person .. "Daddy, Teddy thinks you are driving too fast ..." "Daddy .. Teddy has to use the toilet..." "Daddy, Teddy

      July 16, 2011 at 2:37 pm |
  6. Luke

    Were the Christians so butthurt when Lord of the Rings was published post WWII, or did it wait until the movies became blockbusters? It's fantasy kids. If you still think warlocks, demons, faith healing and magic wands are real, I got a Bridge in Brooklyn to see ya.

    July 16, 2011 at 10:59 am |
    • SnowVeil

      @Luke: Narnia and Lord of Rings purposefully com-mu-nicate Biblical truthes in a fantasy form. You need to know the Bible themes and its content to understand those literature.

      July 16, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
    • News Flash

      "It's fantasy kids."
      Of course it is, just like the bible. It's MYTHOLOGY, just like Zeus and Achilles, meant to teach a lesson. They ARE all equally valid.

      July 16, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
  7. SnowVeil

    Indeed it's true there are other dimentions in this world beyond human businesses. One must know the content of the Bible and live by God's teaching; otherwise, being swayed by all kinds of false philosophy or spirituality is destined. The first 5 books in the Old Testament Bible have many good and fit instructions on this subject. Rejection of magic is submiision to one true Almighty God.

    July 16, 2011 at 9:43 am |
    • News Flash ....

      "The first 5 books in the Old Testament Bible have many good and fit instructions on this subject."
      -------------------------------------------------
      Finally we're getting somewhere. Since you agree "some" of the OT is valuable, please tell us how you decide what is and what isn't fit.

      July 16, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
  8. JW

    Hey Hana I picture you being a really hot girl. Am I right?

    July 16, 2011 at 1:40 am |
    • Gregory

      May be coming soon, Harry Potter 8 http://hpnext.com/
      It is possible to influence the process of creating of saga about Harry Potter

      July 16, 2011 at 6:33 am |
    • Hana

      LOL! Well thank you for the compliment. But, I doubt I am your type as I am a happily married.

      July 16, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
  9. MSfromCA

    Starve a troll – you know who I mean

    July 16, 2011 at 1:11 am |
    • mike

      Starve a troll, feed a lion lol.

      July 16, 2011 at 8:02 am |
  10. SnowVeil

    The Bible says God hates magic because all magic is of the evil. No exception. Mankind's staunch hunger for power is the best con-dition Satan can use.

    July 16, 2011 at 12:42 am |
    • mike

      There is no magic, only science. I would suppose you think using hickory bark to relieve pain is magic. Go burn some whitches SnowVeil.

      July 16, 2011 at 8:10 am |
    • News Flash

      The bible says god hates SnowVeil, (and her little dog too).

      July 16, 2011 at 8:54 am |
    • SnowVeil

      There are real magic users – by evil powers. Subject of magic might be okay in fantasy stories but real magic use should never be promoted just as any other forms of sorceries and the like.

      July 16, 2011 at 9:35 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Have you even READ the HP books, you moron?

      July 16, 2011 at 9:46 am |
    • Hana

      God hates magic huh??? I do believe that the Moses was viewed as using magic at God's command. I do believe that Jesus' miracles were viewed as magic at God's command. I think you have it all mixed up. God grants his prophets the power of miracles and forbids the rest from trying to mimic that power as the pursuit of power that they will never reach will lead them into the darkness. Yet, every good Christian is expected to still read the Bible and all of the stories of magical events that are included. So, God is really forbidding people from trying to copy the magic, not of reading the stories about it.

      Learn to understand the difference between reading history and fantasy verses real life today.

      July 16, 2011 at 12:07 pm |
    • SnowVeil

      Hana, magic and miracles are totally different things.

      July 16, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
    • Bruce

      @False Prophet SnowVeil Yes, magic and miracles have few things in common, but they are big things. 1) Neither exists, and only deluded false prophets such as yourself will ever think otherwise; 2) Neither can be shown to exist, and again, only false prophets such as yourself could ever think otherwise; 3) In the fictional works in which they are described, they are indistinguishable.

      By the way, I'm starting my own hand-made toilet paper business, I already have the paper (a bunch of bibles) but I could use the capital to really get me started. I hear false prophets such as yourself SnowVeil, are very generous with your bibles. So which church are you indentured to? I'd like to "borrow" some for my business.
      Also, Harry Potter is much, much better fiction than the bible.

      July 16, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
    • Muneef

      Sorcerers are the ones who use evil magic that is called Black Magic....it is told that they do that by using DJinn servants in doing that such as possessing a person or a house or a land or even business place to making ones life miserable..some spells are made from the Holy Books Judisem,Gossapl,Holy Quran,Hindus even Pagans and Devil Worshipers have their own means of spells and rituals to shatter ones marriage,childen,business, health and life.. Some of the Highest level of society,business and politics use such tricks to win over each other.

      The power of mericales that were shown by Moses (saws) were based on God's commends at the spot to do what he was told to do...such as partnening the sea...

      The power of mericals that were shown by Jesus (saws) were based on God's given mericals and healing powers by the will of God.

      There are some people in every nation that do have mericals and powers of healing by the will of God, while some others have shown mericals and powers by the will of the devil...towards misleading people from their paths.

      July 17, 2011 at 12:04 am |
    • Hana

      Salam brother Muneef.

      I think you miss understand my point. And so does SnowVeil.

      I specifically state that all of the miracles performed by the prophets were by God's command. I am not discounting the difference between miracles and magic.

      What I am saying is that for people reading the Bible... or for you, the Qur'an, those miracles SEEM like magic.

      There is no difference in a person reading Harry Potter and imagining the fiction of UNREALISTIC magic that no person on earth can perform because it was all made up by J.K.Rolling, or someone reading the Bible or Qur'an and knowing that they can not perform the miracles of the prophets.

      The danger is in trying to do real magic and/or trying to seek out the Djinn, fortunetellers, and other people who do real magic. Not in reading a book.

      July 17, 2011 at 1:30 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Robert Heinlein said it best:
      'One man’s “magic” is another man’s engineering. “Supernatural” is a null word.'

      July 18, 2011 at 9:25 am |
  11. fimeilleur

    Anyone else think that SnowVeil is a self righteous, pompous pr!ck?

    July 16, 2011 at 12:40 am |
    • SnowVeil

      Pagan Westerners need education on the Bible and Christianity.

      July 16, 2011 at 12:43 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Is the Pope Catholic? Do bears poop in the woods?

      July 16, 2011 at 9:47 am |
    • fimeilleur

      Although it was a rhetorical question... thanks for the responce Tom.

      and SnowVeil, thanks for the confirmation.

      July 17, 2011 at 12:35 am |
  12. SnowVeil

    Happy that the West got really weird only after the South got the Bibles on their own.

    July 16, 2011 at 12:31 am |
  13. Reality

    Harry Potter, the book, pure fiction about a moral wizard, brilliantly written.

    Christianity, semi-fiction, about an embellished, sometimes "mythicized" magic man with mediocre writing.

    To wit:

    As per the NT, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

    Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Most contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospels being mostly fiction.

    Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man" atonement, and infallible, old, European, white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices.

    July 15, 2011 at 11:37 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      as long as your head is that far up your colon check for polyps, any mind that corrupted could be cancerous and it might have spread

      July 16, 2011 at 11:56 am |
  14. SnowVeil

    CNN, stop this. Christian pastors are imprisoned in Asia and in Middle East and sentenced to death in Iran, and why is this your news? Can you ask mission agencies and mega churches instead of entertainment industry for religion news? We already know the present Britons are against Christianity, but if there are any persecuted Muslims anywhere, I really want to know.

    July 15, 2011 at 10:56 pm |
    • Free

      Maybe they don't have your extensive sources? Why don't you list them here, along with all the other ample proof you have of this, and really rub their noses in it by showing them up?

      July 15, 2011 at 11:59 pm |
    • SnowVeil

      Free, they know better than I do. CNN likes connecting religious matters with entertainment so that it will look entertainment alone handles charity and spirituality. Secularists are hopelesly spiritual, you know. On their own.

      July 16, 2011 at 12:29 am |
    • Hana

      What on earth are you talking about? I would love to see the specific examples you are talking about.

      July 16, 2011 at 12:43 am |
    • SnowVeil

      Hana, the subjects in CNN belief blog are some of the examples.

      July 16, 2011 at 4:43 am |
    • Hana

      Snow Veil, you are still not giving examples. If you can not back up your statements, then they are not worth listening to. As for the part about pastors being arrested in the Middle East. I wont say that there have not been a few "Missionaries" arrested in places like Saudi and Iran. But, there is a difference between being a missionary trying to push your faith on others and simply being a devout Christian living there. There are Christian communities and Churches in most of the Middle East. Please take the time to look up the geography and history of the Caldeans, the Marionites, the Syriac Church, the Coptics, and others. Plus, several of those groups have split into some reforming ties with Rome and other remaining separate. Priests local to those churches dont randomly get arrested for being Priests or teaching to their parish. Plus, many of the Christians in those countries (that I know) dont want any Western Christian Missionaries any more than the Muslims do.

      As to your assertion that the "Britons are against Christianity" that is just ludicrous. You do understand that the Church of England is still very active there. I am sure that the Bishops in England would have a rather different perspective than you. And far more accurate. Your statement is far to sweeping and superficial to be representative of anyone.

      And how that has anything to do with Muslims being persecuted? I dont know. But, you really want to know about Muslim persecution, I will happily tell you stories. I am fortunate enough to not face such things myself, but I know many others who have, including my ex-husband and my current husband.

      July 16, 2011 at 12:01 pm |
    • SnowVeil

      Hana, you are not informed. Most churches in the Middle East are either a show or for foreigners only. If any Muslim coverts to other religion, they imprison him or kill him. Christian missionaries are forbidden, not unwanted, there. Present secular Britons seem to hate the Christian Church a lot although they got advanced better than any other country because of their former Bible literacy and are making lots of money showing the church buildings. The youth don't even remember the heritage. Muslims are okay. What's wrong with present Westerners? Why do they hate the Church when they received every good and intelligent thing from it?

      July 16, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
    • SnowVeil

      Hana. look at the present anti-christian immoral West. What sane nation wants to be like present Europe or present USA in character? You guys are surviving barely only because of the remaining Christian frame work. The West is blaspheming God like some mad people on a dying planet, repaying good with evil.

      July 16, 2011 at 12:58 pm |
    • Bruce

      Actually, the more religious a nation is, the less peaceful it is (they also tend to be less healthy, and less intelligent). I can cite huge, world-wide, decade-spanning corroborated studies to any of these effects, if you'd like to see. But I'm guessing you don't. Generally, religious people aren't interested in the reality of the situation.

      The most Christian nation in the world, Venezuela, with 99% identifying to Christianity also has the highest homicide rate on the planet. But this trend exists for Muslims as well as all Christian nations, EVERYWHERE.
      The theist world is a world of hate and war.

      SnowVeil will never, ever have a single fact to prove his/her point. Just mindless, nonsensical hypocrisy from his/her church/holy book.

      July 16, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
    • Hana

      Snowveil, your ignorance is astounding.

      Christians in the Middle East make up the following percentage of the population in the following countries:

      Egypt- 5-20% (that is between 4 and 16 million people, depending on sources)
      Iraq- 3-5% (approximately 1,250,000 people)
      Jordan- 6% (over 300,000 people)
      Lebanon- 39% (over 1.5 million people)
      Libya- 2% (approximately 130,000 people)
      Syria- 10% (approximately 2.5 million people)
      Turkey-1% (approximately 120,000 people)

      Algeria, Iran, Kuwait, Morocco, Oman, Saudi, Tunisia, the UAE, and Yemin all have Christian populations however now long history of a native church and it is difficult to tell which of them are locals who converted centuries ago or are foreigners living there. Their Christians communities are not very significant as they are no higher than 1% of the population. But, they are still there.

      All together, you are looking at approximately 10-22 MILLION people who believe in Christianity in the Middle East.

      Now, I dont know what form of Christianity you follow, but lets look at some history...

      After Jesus was Crusified, the apostles went out to spread the word. Of course they formed a church in Jerusalem. From there they went various places but seemed to end up in Antioch where both Paul and Peter debated church matters while establishing the church there. Then Peter set out for Rome where he most likely stopped in Alexandria and started a little church there with Mark. Then on to Rome where Peter was executed. Mark then returned to Alexandria to help the church there grow. Eventually, the Emperor of Rome moved to Constantinople and that then became a major church as well. These 5 churches make up the Pentarchy, the 5 major episcopal sees, meant to be the head of the universal rule of the church. Unfortunately they did not all see eye to eye all of the time. One by one, divisions of doctrine separated them. But, if you look at a map, 4, yes FOUR, of them are in the "Middle East".

      These 10-22 million Christians in the Middle East are not just foreigners living there, or churches established for tourism. These are old Christian communities. Some who even still speak Aramaic or Ancient Egyptian in slightly modified form (as languages change over time). They build new churches, make pilgrimages to old churches, teach about those that are being preserved, have an entire church hierarchy (even their own pope in one of them), functioning monasteries and convents. These are thriving, deeply rooted communities that hold their faith close to them. If they did not care, they would not have protected it from the Muslim majorities. To suggest otherwise is simply insulting.

      Take the time to educate yourself before you spread such ignorance.

      Try looking up information about these Christian churches (and I mean churches as in denominations, not as a physical structure): Maronite, Greek Orthodox, Melkite Catholic, Armenian Orthodox, Syriac Catholic, Armenian Catholic, Syriac Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Chaldean, Assyrian, Copt, Protestant, Assyrian Church of the East, and the Ancient Church of the East.

      Now, I wont say that these communities dont face persecution, because I know they do. But, one thing that does not happen is that their priests and monks are not arrested simply for preaching to their community. Yes, it is illegal for foreigners to travel to many of those countries to do missionary work. That does not mean that those already there are not allowed to practice.

      I have no sympathy for people who feel they need to travel to another country with the sole purpose of intentionally committing a crime of the country. It does not matter if you like their laws, you should follow them when you visit or simply dont visit at all. That is no different than a French person who is used to going around naked on the beaches going to California and stripping down, they would be arrested for breaking the law. Same with a Muslim women choosing to visit France and not remove her face veil, follow the law or face the consequences. If you truly find the law deplorable and unethical, there are other ways to fight it from outside of that country.

      Of course, I find the whole notion of going anywhere and telling other people that they are going to hell unless they convert and do things your way and only your way utterly arrogant and insulting. It does not matter who it is that is doing it.

      July 16, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
    • Muneef

      Bruce.

      May I suggest that if you do not believe in Religion to leave it behind and believe in God alone and be your own Judge of chice between what is Righteous and what is evil doings...what you do good is for your credit and what ever you do bad is for your debit..therefore ought to keep your credit balance merit in good shape may God give you blessings in life and mercy in afterlife...leave the official faced religions behind,take as a rule what ever they have agreed upon,that's leads for the good of all community as a conduct,take form of saying prayers, make your worships at times when the majority will kneel to God Almighty....take the Goodness and Leave behind the bitterness that gets in your way from recognizing God only focusing your belief in The Onity of monotheism was the actual message since dividing your intentions into more than one weakens or scatter the signals you are sending out....not to forget about Ablution and which things do annul it...
      Believe me this will make you feel good and satisfied while it would really be your first step into the Journey milage of finding and recognizing God and not Official Faced Religions that might worship men of flesh and blood or worship the devil but wouldn't worship God... Do not let the atheists fool you because although they rejected God they have all through history worshiped Tyrant Men whom they feared mor than they have ever feared God....! God Bless

      July 16, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
    • Free

      SnowVeil
      If the folks at CNN know better than you do about the state of Christianity in the Mid. East, and are not reporting the abuses you imagine happening, then have you considered that the abuses aren't actually happening? It seems very common amongst some believers to accept claims that they find compelling at face value.

      "Hitler was an atheist" -'Sure, I can believe that!' says the gullible believer and, of course, they never bother to check if it's actually true.

      "Darwin recanted on his deathbed" -'Sure, I can believe that!' says the gullible believer and, of course, they never bother to check if it's actually true.

      "Evolution says we descended from monkeys" -'Sure, I can believe that!' says the gullible believer and, of course, they never bother to check if it's actually true.

      "Jews kill Christian babies for their blood" -'Sure, I can believe that!' said the gullible believer not so long ago and, tragically, they never bother to check if it's actually true either.

      July 16, 2011 at 11:37 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Free
      "Evolution says we descended from monkeys" -'Sure, I can believe that!' says the gullible believer and, of course, they never bother to check if it's actually true.

      In fact, Evolution says that monkeys and humans come from a common ancestor. Just like you and your cousin "Julie" have a common ancestor... only instead of comparing family relations, evolution compares philogeny... learn about science before you try to discredit it. Thanks.

      July 17, 2011 at 12:23 am |
    • Hana

      @ fimeilleur

      I think the second half of that statement was meant to be the most important... the part about:
      "says the gullible believer and, of course, they never bother to check if it's actually true."

      Its a statement of how people hear something and just believe it without taking the time to research it and learn the truth.

      July 17, 2011 at 1:01 am |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Hana,
      I just wanted to make sure that the real information was linked so that people didn't think evolution was as crazy as the other statements. Most people (creationists) try to discredit evolution based on the "descended from monkey" phrase...

      I wasn't debating Free... just clarifying.
      But thanks... I like your posts...

      July 17, 2011 at 1:07 am |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Free and @ Hana,

      Scratch that last part... after re-reading my post... I was harsh toward Free. My bad, Hana is correct in her read. I'm sorry I missed the emphasis in what Free was stating. He/she doesn't need the biology lesson...

      Peace to both of you.

      July 17, 2011 at 1:11 am |
    • Hana

      @ fimeilleur

      Thank you. I am enjoying reading your posts too. Nice to have someone around that is not insulting in voicing their view points. I admit that once in a blue moon, I get a bit snarky. But, I dont want to insult anyone.

      July 17, 2011 at 1:16 am |
  15. Eric

    How about we get rid of all the fiction books in the libraries- I suggest burning them. We should only have non-fiction books so people don't get confused and don't use any part of their imagination...

    July 15, 2011 at 9:52 pm |
    • Sarah

      I agree Eric, the bible would be the first thing to go.

      July 15, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
    • SnowVeil

      Sarah, yes, all English and European literature should go. American national do-cu-ments and anthems as well. The Jews, Europeans and Americans stole everything from the Bible.

      July 15, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
    • Free

      SnowVeil
      "The Jews ... stole everything from the Bible"

      Ah ... wasn't the Old Testament their's originally?

      July 16, 2011 at 12:02 am |
    • SnowVeil

      Free, my point is the Western Civilization is devoid of everything worthy or valuable if Bible is substracted. If only you stayed with the plain Greek and Roman stuff! Mongols and Arabs would have had enslaved you long ago. The Bible made mankind think deeply.

      July 16, 2011 at 12:35 am |
    • SnowVeil

      There is nothing so original, intelligent, profound, deep and accurate than the Bible. Mankind has some common ideas and common ideals as the common descendants of Adam and Eve. Present secular Westerners have become somewhat like the ancient Greeks by seeking what is strange and amusing, quitting the quest for the truth. A picture of Acts 17:16-34.

      July 16, 2011 at 4:50 am |
    • christianmother

      @Sarah I feel sorry that you feel that way.

      July 16, 2011 at 8:10 am |
    • fimeilleur

      @ SnowVeil

      Accuracy in the Bible:
      Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 Trees came before Adam.
      Genesis 2:4-9 Trees came after Adam.

      Genesis 1:20-21 and 26-27 Birds were created before Adam.
      Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Birds were created after Adam.

      Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before Adam.
      Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Animals were created after Adam.

      Genesis 1:26-27 Adam and Eve were created at the same time.
      Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 Adam was created first, woman sometime later.

      Care to explain?

      July 16, 2011 at 11:56 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Christianmother

      Don't feel bad, she's not alone, there are many like her out there and we are not affraid... Not one recorded lightning strike to date.

      Good luck to you though.

      July 16, 2011 at 11:59 pm |
    • Hana

      The sheer idea of burning books just makes me shiver with social memories of religiously focused atrocities of the past.

      July 17, 2011 at 1:04 am |
    • Muneef

      fim.

      Dear's you are misunderstanding me, at that early times they couldn't distinguish this from that neither had they names for it it is today...!

      Take this for an example;

      Clarke's Three Laws are three "laws" of prediction formulated by the British writer and scientist Arthur C. Clarke. They are:
      When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
      The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
      Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

      In the comic book Mass Effect: Evolution, Eva tells Jack Harper to remember Clarke's third Law. Jack states the law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is always going to look like magic". But than he adds that some of the things they are going after might actually be magic.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke's_three_laws

      Well even Magic has Laws as does Science....! 

      Our choice of believe are that they were the bases of all that we know today:

      Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 Trees came before Adam.

      Genesis 1:20-21 and 26-27 Birds were created before Adam.

      Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before Adam.

      Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 Adam was created first, woman sometime later.

      July 17, 2011 at 3:50 am |
    • Muneef

      Sorry for the mess;

      Our choice of believe are that they were the bases of all that we know today:

      Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 Trees came before Adam.

      Genesis 1:20-21 and 26-27 Birds were created before Adam.

      Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before Adam.

      Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 Adam was created first, woman sometime later.

      July 17, 2011 at 3:52 am |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Muneef,

      Are you saying that the Bible is open to interpretation and we get to pick and choose what we want to believe? or that the Bible is wrong and thus NOT devinly inspired?

      Maybe you can help me out with this next one:

      Genesis 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
      Genesis 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.

      Which raises the question, how can an omnipotent, omniscient God create something he’s not pleased with?
      (credit to the thinking atheist dot com)

      July 17, 2011 at 4:44 am |
    • Free

      SnowVeil
      What do you mean by the Bible being 'subtracted?' Nobody is going to burn the Bible into extinction, or outlaw it here in the West. Eventually it may slip into the genre of accepted mythology, like the Odyssey, but if it does it will still be recognized as having a huge influence on Western culture just as Christianity has influenced architecture and art.

      July 18, 2011 at 12:14 am |
    • Muneef

      God would end up pleased with his creations....after the judgment date depending on how many will pass the test and the rest can't imagine what would happen to them because of their disbelief ignoring the signs.

      July 18, 2011 at 1:50 am |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Muneef,

      You presume to know much, but I guess that is to be expected. I don't pretend to know God's will... I don't pretend to know God. God has not been proven to me. There are no signs that cannot be explained by rational thought.

      July 18, 2011 at 2:31 am |
    • Muneef

      Fime.

      I know that I do not know much in Religion but my faith in God is strong that has grown up with me...and never have I doubted or wondered if he had existed...but reading the Quran was who helped me to understand God's will from his created Mankind...although not perfect but I strive by many means to be as obedient and pure as should...that's all to it really...my interest of trying being a Muslim a Believer..

      To meditate thinking deeply as how universe is perfectly designed and how life on earth/creatures how perfectly are in some Eco system....all this tells life was for a reason and not out of pleasure... How do we see God...it is by the science that we recognize that...but it is no excuse that if I do not see God with my own eyes I would not believe...! There are other senses that can tell you what you do not see with eyes..!!

      Now you do believe or know or aware of some unpredictable supernatural occurrences and powers...haven't you wondered what could have been..?

      July 18, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
    • Muneef

      Fime.

      Do you believe in the Nostradamus & prophecies ? Was he religious, was his made prophecies near to actual that has happened in real life....? Could his work of prophecies have been manipulated just as if doubted the holy books....?

      It was his manipulated prophecies that has made the hatred grow against Muslims as being the Anti Christ ....?! Why not the Jews being the Anti Christ when they were the ones who cursed him and conspired to his crucifixion..? Why not today's Atheists,new Atheists be the Anti Christ after all have seen many shameful comments about all that we the Abrahamic faith that we believe in and insults to our prophets and the heavenly holy books...?

      Why has is be the Muslims when Muslims recognize God,Angels,Prophets,Holy Books...just as Jews and Christians do if that's what they do and not just a white cloth worn by a hungry wolfs...using the name of God....!?

      July 18, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Muneef,

      First post: The argument from design... you do realize that over 99% of the known universe in uninhabitable right? That means that it is NOT "designed" for life. I'd say in a numbers game... we'd lose. Even on our own planet.... we (humans) cannot live on our highest mountains, nor in our deepest oceans... in fact, only 20% of the planet is habitable to us... this is a little better than the numbers in the universe, but still not enough for me to think that we were "created" as the number one thought of an all powerful beings "plan". As far as anything supernatural... let's make this easy: the James Randi Foundation has a $1,000,000 prize to the first person that can prove, in a controlled setting agreed by both the claimant and the Foundation, ANY supernatural phenomena, (ie, ESP, clairvoyance, levitation, ghosts / apparitions, etc). In over 30 years, NOT A SINGLE PERSON AROUND THE WORLD has been able to claim the prize. EACH AND EVERYONE has either backed out of the challenge or been SHOWN TO BE A FRAUD. So no, I don't believe in anything supernatural.

      Second post: Prophecies... see above... Why do Christians persecute Muslims? I can't answer that... ask them. Atheists are equal opportunity doubters. I don't disbelieve the Quran, any more or less than I disbelieve the Bible (I do know more about the Bible than I do the Quran, but to date, neither has shown any evidence to the existence of a God. Faith based on your personal experience is just that, YOUR personal experience and as such CANNOT be transferred to me. Why are we (atheists) not considered the anti Christ? Maybe because we'd have to believe in the supernatural powers of Heaven and Hell, as I've stated many times before... we don't.

      July 19, 2011 at 1:21 am |
  16. Nick Wood

    To whom it may concern:

    The issue here is not whether or not the Harry Potter series contains christian values. In reality, the series draws upon judeo-christian values, and features a catalogue of points culled from classical as well as modern christian philosophy among other things.
    The issue is rather, why people who are so opposed to any portrayal of magic in any format, ie. Christian fundamentalists, never bothered to actually read the books. If they had done so, they would be able to see exactly how their view of Harry Potter as a wholesale endorsement of satanism is not at all factually correct. Of course, if you view the strict interpretation of scripture as sacrosanct - something that J.K. Rowling clearly doesn't do, even though she herself is fairly religious - then I suppose you could view Harry Potter as a satanic verse simply upon the merit of the characters' ability to perform supernatural feats.

    ...and that's fair enough. Just don't then claim to be on some higher moral plane than I am. If your philosophy is so wooden and inflexible that even the fictional portrayal of magic as a modern metaphor for the supernatural forces that make the christian metaphors work, then you don't deserve to have culture in the first place.

    Enjoy listening to Family Radio.

    July 15, 2011 at 9:45 pm |
    • andrew

      Amen!

      July 15, 2011 at 10:30 pm |
    • Free

      The witches and wizards of Potter world, however, are more like the mutants of X-men fame within the Marvel Comics universe. They are born different and merely being what they are: Magic-capable people. You see, behind the overt criticism of Potter books as endorsing magic, perhaps a more distressing idea is that they endorse alternate lifestyles. The wizards never discuss choosing not to be apart from the (normal) Muggle world. Sound like anything else the fundamentalists are concerned with?

      July 16, 2011 at 12:22 am |
    • christianmother

      @Nick not every Christian feels this way. And yes I will enjoy listening to family radio...thank you 😉

      July 16, 2011 at 8:15 am |
    • Frogist

      @Free: Their evengelical heads must have exploded upon hearing that the greatest wizard of all time, Dumbledorre was gay.
      I don't think being gay is necessarily what the books are about. I think it's more like being different and outcast and realizing there is beauty in being different. True, that can be applied to being gay, but I don't think JKR meant it to be that way exactly. But even so conformity is really a lot of what religion is about. Those who do not conform to the strictest Christian ideals are considered dangerous and even evil. Like gays and atheists are thought of as particularly evil and not punishing them for stepping out of line is considered a threat to Christian cohesiveness. It's kind of ironic considering that Jesus would have been thought of as a rebel and would have fallen into the same category of dangerous non-conformist. But few evangelical extremists bother to focus on that point.

      July 18, 2011 at 9:07 am |
  17. just a thought No 1

    I was never ever really interested in the Harry Potter series, because thought it was probably kid's stuff, however one time when I was staying with one of my granddaughters, she rented the current Harry Potter DVD for her 5 year daughter. The 5 year old couldn't have been more disinterested, she would rather play games on the computer. Her mother was very upset because her daughter wasn't interested, so I thought I would watch for a while and it dawned on me why the kid wasn't interested–it didn't make any sence. I lost interest too. It certainly didn't appear to have anything to do with religion.

    July 15, 2011 at 9:09 pm |
    • andrew

      And the movies do NOT have a single thing to do with religion. You are 100% correct. Neither did "Flubber" but even then, some condemmed the harmless but wonderful imagination of Walt Disney, who only meant to make kids laugh and smile. But to some "hard-headed' Political Christians, Disney appeared as Satanic for using magic to bring laughter to our hearts. I've often wondered if a man (or a woman) who can't stand to sit through Snow White, might not be secret serial killers. If you can't laugh at something like that, then why ask us to believe in what you believe in? You can't believe in anything if you're that cold hearted, judgemental, and anti-Jesus with his kind smile.

      July 15, 2011 at 10:41 pm |
    • christianmother

      It didn't make sense because you have to watch them in order.
      ..you know 1,2,3,4 smh

      July 16, 2011 at 8:20 am |
  18. Muneef

    That has nothing to do with religion really but rather black magic and witch crafts... This thing although not religious but was existing...
    There are two type of magic that was taught and  practiced ;
    – The Magic that is rather connected to branches of science...and that is not condemned.
    – The black magic that was evil doing separating between loved ones...and that in condemned.

    The Two  Angels of Babel, Haroot and Maroot  were teaching the good scientific  magic...while the condemned one was taught by the devils who worked for the King Solomon before he died...

    Quran Verse reads;

    [2:102] They pursued what the devils taught concerning Solomon's kingdom. Solomon, however, was not a disbeliever, but the devils were disbelievers. They taught the people sorcery, and that which was sent down through the two angels of Babel, Haroot and Maroot. These two did not divulge such knowledge without pointing out: "This is a test. You shall not abuse such knowledge." But the people used it in such evil schemes as the breaking up of marriages. They can never harm anyone against the will of GOD. They thus learn what hurts them, not what benefits them, and they know full well that whoever practices witchcraft will have no share in the Hereafter. Miserable indeed is what they sell their souls for, if they only knew.

    [2:103] If they believe and lead a righteous life, the reward from GOD is far better, if they only knew.
    ----–

    July 15, 2011 at 8:05 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Honey, you really need to get a girlfriend, some hobbies, and a life.

      July 15, 2011 at 9:06 pm |
    • Hana

      Salam Brother, respectfully I disagree. Of course I dont disagree with the Islamic views of magic. But rather the view that religion has anything to do with the books. These books are pure fantasy. They are not showing or discussing real magic. They are not suggesting that people go out and learn to do what these kids in the books do, because none of it is real. It is all just simply imagination. It is the story of a boy who learns to trust his friends as family and that together, they can face great evil and win.

      July 15, 2011 at 9:40 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      Magic doesn't exist. It is fantasy. Illusion, slight of hand, conjuring... these things are real and "described" as magic... but it's still only a trick. Now, Muneef, what "white magic of science" are you talking about?

      July 16, 2011 at 12:35 am |
    • Muneef

      Seems am not good at expressing my self ; I was not saying that the Harry Potter is at all related to holy books... I was nearly talking about magic,sorcery....in real life...

      With the mentality of men they even called the knowledge of mixing of powder substances to produce explosive as magic,chemical mixtures,even engineering was considered same. Today such magic is known by the name of "KnowHow"

      July 16, 2011 at 9:36 am |
    • fimeilleur

      Ok, so what the rest of the world calls Chemestry, you call magic.... we will apply this "translation" to everything that is written in the Koran... when it talks about magic/magiciens/warlocks/witches/ etc... we should all think Chemists. Gotcha.

      Only chemists? or Physicists as well... Do Bio-chemists count? I just want to be sure I have enough stakes to burn them all.

      July 16, 2011 at 11:51 pm |
    • Muneef

      Ok if you like it this way then start with your self might it do the world some good...!

      July 17, 2011 at 12:50 am |
    • fimeilleur

      Ah, now, I thought we were friends... 😦
      But I'm not a chemist...

      July 17, 2011 at 1:02 am |
    • Hana

      Salam, I am confused on your views here brother. In one topic you post about how Islam and science are interrelated and Allah encourages the seeking of scientific information. Then here you say that science such as chemistry and engineering is magic and witchcraft. It can not be both ways.

      As I understand it, from my research in Tafsir and such is that the magic that Allah forbids is the magic of spells, fortelling the future, or working with the Djinn. Not science. Science is the advancement of human knowledge of the natural world, using our own brains and hands as God gave them too us.

      July 17, 2011 at 1:10 am |
    • Muneef

      Dear's you are misunderstanding me, at that early times they couldn't distinguish this from that neither had they names for it it is today...!

      Take this for an example;

      Clarke's Three Laws are three "laws" of prediction formulated by the British writer and scientist Arthur C. Clarke. They are:
      When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
      The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
      Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

      In the comic book Mass Effect: Evolution, Eva tells Jack Harper to remember Clarke's third Law. Jack states the law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is always going to look like magic". But than he adds that some of the things they are going after might actually be magic.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke's_three_laws

      Well even Magic has Laws as does Science....! 

      July 17, 2011 at 3:03 am |
    • fimeilleur

      Hana's gonna have to help me out on this one...

      Are you saying then, that the writers of the Koran and the Bible were only CALLING what they didn't understand magic, but now that we know what it is, it's not magic? So... what you don't understand at the time is evil, until we understand it, then it's not...

      Doesn't seem to be devine knowledge to me... just fear of the unknown.

      July 17, 2011 at 3:13 am |
    • Muneef

      As mentioned before ;
      – There are the Good "White Magic" that is uncondemned and there are the Bad "Black Magic" that is condemned....!
      – There are the Good "White Science" that is uncondemned and there are the Baf "Black Science that is condemned...!
      Them both heavily dependent on Laws and who got the Laws is as Powerful as a Sorcerer...!

      July 17, 2011 at 3:16 am |
    • fimeilleur

      You're going in circles now... what is "black science"? Be specific. I'm sharpening my stakes...

      July 17, 2011 at 3:22 am |
    • Muneef

      Bad Sorcerers aware of their Religion take verses adding to it words of Satan manipulating it into evil form pleasing Satan over God by reflecting disrespect...and the use and doings of all that is opposite to the Religions and it's calls for they by doing that became promoted as sorcerers and what ever he does is excepted...
      So you see if Religion was supposed to be White and Light, then the Black Sorcerers turn the White into Black and the Light into Dark...

      July 17, 2011 at 3:33 am |
    • Muneef

      Black Science is the Nagative Science that manipulate life example ; I consider the atom bomb as Nagative...I consider the manipulations of genes of animals and human kind such as the Mutants Projects or any smimilar things that could be considered of the underworld...

      July 17, 2011 at 3:38 am |
    • fimeilleur

      So is that like, Black powder? what about smokeless powder? and if magnesium burn white, can it only be used for good science?

      Your explanations aren't helping much... Please be specific.

      July 17, 2011 at 3:40 am |
    • fimeilleur

      Ok, so YOU consider the atomic bomb to be bad (I'll agree with you on that) but what about the science that came out of that? Atomic energy and cold fusion, etc.

      What about the manipulation of genes that CURE diseases? It seems to me, that your opinion matters much to Allah... does he consult with you often?

      July 17, 2011 at 3:44 am |
    • Hana

      @ fimeilleur

      I think I get where brother Muneef is going with this.

      He is talking about the sciences that in and of themselves are committing sin. Not science for the sake of knowledge, but science that seeks to turn people into the aggressors (weapons of mass destruction), that seeks to make people think that they are God to manipulate life (cloning, intentional genetic manipulations), and such.

      As much as people want to paint Islam as a violent religion, the truth is that the Qur'an specifically forbids Muslims from being the aggressors in violence but permits self defense. Did/do Muslims always follow that? No. But, whether people listen or not, it is still a great sin to be an aggressor. So, something like the atom bomb could be viewed as a science that has sinful intentions. Even if used as retaliation, it will never be used only against those attacking, it will never only kill soldiers that you must defend against, it is a weapon that in purpose will kill innocent civilians.

      Likewise, cloning and genetic manipulation crosses that line. One of the most important foundations in Islamic theology is Tawhid, (the oneness of God). No human is divine or should seek to be like God. And at some point, some sciences (like cloning) slips down that path.

      If I understand brother Muneef correctly, this is what he is talking about. White science refers to all of the things that we do and study for the betterment of mankind and the growth of knowledge while still remaining in awe and submission to God/Allah. Black science refers to all of the things that carry an intention to sin against God/Allah.

      July 17, 2011 at 11:53 am |
    • Hana

      @ fimeilleur

      Oh, and I almost forgot, there is the issue of science intended to look like magic to confuse people. For example (and yes this is before Islam) one of the pagan temples in Alexandria devoted to the Apis Bull (if I remember correctly) was a place that used several machines and sciences to create the impression of magic with the intention of bringing in more followers and keeping them enthralled with the "power" of the god. One guy wrote about the contraptions, including a jug that you put coins into and would then provide you with a cup of water, a golden statue of the god that would float around, and more. The writings describe the workings of the machines, but the devoted did not know the truth.

      In modern day when we know that magicians and illusionists are using tricks, machines, and trap doors... we can enjoy such things for entertainment. But, when it takes a turn toward trying to convince people of the power of a person or of another god, that is where it gets complicated.

      So, like most things in Islam, it really is about intention. If you intend it to be pure entertainment and are "honest" about that, then there is no harm. If you intend to deceive people, then there is a problem.

      July 17, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Hana,
      And this is why I like you. 🙂 I will agree that the Atom bomb is a repugnant weapon, but I won't agree that biological research is bad. The ability to prolong our lives has been a constant battle throughout history and always thought to be against God's will. Little by little, as medical science advanced and benefited those in power, the more it became acceptable. Imagine when the altered DNA that saves the president / prime minister of (insert your country here) from a life long of agony... Imagine if stem cell research was allowed to advance so that a cure for Parkinson's disease was found and administered to the late Pope JP II, the RCC would have changed it's tune faster than a cd in a 5 disk changer. It's all about perspective.

      The days of science being made to fool people are almost behind us... there are too many skeptics and the peer review process (although slow) is in place to route out the bad science from the good (case in point: the supposed link between early childhood vaccinations and autism).

      July 17, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
    • Hana

      @ fimeilleur

      Well thank you. I just hope I understood brother Muneef correctly.

      Personally, I am on the fence about genetic manipulation. I am against cloning. But, genetic manipulation can have many benefits. I can see the potential from it in limited instances. But, as I do have a background in Biology, I also am very aware of the potential draw backs. My science side thinks that there can be some great good from things like stem cell research and such. But, the spiritual side of me is very leery of heading down that slippery slope where it goes to messing around with a persons DNA or trying to genetically modify babies before they are born for X,Y, or Z reason, or that kind of stuff. And that bothers me.

      My own opinion is that I fully accept my mortality. I have no desire to live forever. We should take care of our bodies as best as we can an not count on miracle cures for everything when we choose not to. But, also understand that even then life simply happens. Make use of medicines and such, but leave our bodies as God made them. But, I also accept that not everyone agrees with my views.

      July 17, 2011 at 7:23 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Hana,
      While I do not believe in gods, I understand your conflict. I find it a great harm to society to stop research into biological medicine looking for cures to multiple deseases that cause pain and suffering to our fellow man. I cannot support a resistance to it based on the fact that it may offend a god that I don't believe in. You have a brilliant mind and an honest one. I think we may have exhausted this conversation but I look forward to our next one.

      July 17, 2011 at 9:17 pm |
    • Muneef

      Sister Hana.

      Sobhaan Allah...exactly what I wanted to point out in few words but you made it so lovely expressed...thank you and you were my saving Angel....
      Actually we should not stand against researches intended for the good will of mankind ...but not for the evil will...since intentions are the main thing here...
      But one example that bothers me about their intentions to intervene with the genes of Cows to produce Humankind mother milk rather than cow milk...! Have seen once a photo where they have shown that modification can reach not only cows but every to other animal females....
      Once as a result of wrong stupid move of feeding a grass fodder animal with waste animal feed such as blood feed and meat proteins...we suffered losses of humans and animals with mad cow disease....!
      Now it is that babies will grow up becoming some other thing or diseases...I think some are force enforcing some sort of eviulation.... Eviulation that took millions or thousands of years now will exceed in speed with the advanced science....until finally goes out of control towards our destruction rather than development ...all for quick big money with out caring about the unending results that it might drag upon mankind....

      July 17, 2011 at 11:15 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      Care to substantiate these claims with peer reviewed doc uments published in the scientific community?

      July 17, 2011 at 11:25 pm |
    • Muneef

      What all that about? Guess if you can figure out the key words make the search and all will endup in front of you...isn't that Magic crossing boarder exchanging words....!?!

      July 18, 2011 at 1:27 am |
    • fimeilleur

      To save time, I want to read the same peer reviewed studies as you... please list them.

      July 18, 2011 at 2:33 am |
    • Muneef

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/agriculture/geneticmodification/8423536/Genetically-modified-cows-produce-human-milk.html

      July 18, 2011 at 7:34 pm |
    • Muneef

      http://www.ellenwhite.info/mad_cow_disease.htm

      July 18, 2011 at 7:37 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      I asked for the "scientifically PEER REVIEWED articles" The first link is to a news report... we saw how they report the news... science is not news, it's a process... read the reviews to see what is actually being studied, not what some scientifically inept, sales driven report THINKS is what is in the scientific papers.
      The second is a "prophecy" from Ellen White? Come on... REAL SCIENCE please.

      July 19, 2011 at 1:26 am |
    • Q

      I've tried posting this a couple of times with some additional comments but they keep failing to post. For the record, Muneef's claims were for the most part correct (minus some relevant details about what is meant by "humanized milk"):
      http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0017593
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17725317

      I have no idea what he was talking about regarding human disease/evolution...

      July 20, 2011 at 1:05 am |
  19. Hana

    Really, it is just a fictional book series. People can take from it what they see in it, and that is personal to them.

    Just enjoy the fiction.

    July 15, 2011 at 7:00 pm |
  20. Michael Lauderdale

    Episcopalians are the best

    July 15, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
    • LinCA

      At what?

      July 15, 2011 at 6:45 pm |
    • SnowVeil

      I didn't know Episcopals were Christian. Do they have a Bible?

      July 15, 2011 at 10:59 pm |
    • SnowVeil

      I mean, do Episcopals READ the Bible as normal Christians should?

      July 15, 2011 at 11:31 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Addled, grow a brain.

      July 16, 2011 at 9:50 am |
    • Ron

      I love SnowVeil's comments. She and only those of here particular sect of Christianity are the only 'real' Christians, apparently.
      Her comments remind me of those given by the Taliban...our way, only. (shakes head), the arrogance and ignorance is astounding.

      July 16, 2011 at 10:29 am |
    • SnowVeil

      Ron, true Christians never endorse Sodomy. You have given up on truth and morality.

      July 16, 2011 at 12:28 pm |
    • SnowVeil

      Female priests are screwed up in Biblical theology. They have no Christian orthodoxy. Not worth.

      July 16, 2011 at 12:40 pm |
    • Genetic Clinic Open for Business and IQ Testing

      Addelbrain,
      Can an hermaphrodite be a priest ?

      July 16, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • Doh Me Noose Vo Bis Koom

      @SnowVeil
      Episcopalians read ABOUT the bible, which is why they more so much more about it than you do.

      July 16, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
    • Doh Me Noose Vo Bis Koom

      should be KNOW so much more

      July 16, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
    • J.W

      snowveil I did not know you were a girl. Are you hot?

      July 16, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
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