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July 15th, 2011
01:33 PM ET
Michele Bachmann officially leaves her churchBy Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor Washington (CNN) - Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann has long been a darling of conservative evangelicals, but shortly before announcing her White House bid, she officially quit a church she’d belonged to for years. Bachmann, a Minnesota congresswoman, and her husband, Marcus, withdrew their membership from Salem Lutheran Church in Stillwater, Minnesota, last month, according to church officials. The Bachmanns had been members of the church for more than 10 years, according to Joel Hochmuth, director of communications for the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, the broader denominational body of which Bachmann’s former church is a member. The church council granted the Bachmanns’ request to be released from their membership on June 21, Hochmuth said. After declaring at the CNN/WMUR/New Hampshire Union Leader presidential debate that she would seek the nomination, Bachmann formally announced her presidential bid June 27 in Waterloo, Iowa. The Bachmanns approached their pastor and verbally made the request “a few weeks before the church council granted the request,” Hochmuth said. He added, “they had not been attending that congregation in over two years. They were still on the books as members, but then the church council acted on their request and released them from membership.” Bachmann had listed her membership in the church on her campaign site for congress in 2006. She lists no church affiliation on her campaign website or her official congressional website. Hochmuth said that a change in membership is not out of the ordinary. “You have people who are on the books as members, but they may have gone on to another church; they may not be attending a church anywhere. There’s all sorts of circumstances.” A similar request for membership is to transfer membership from one church to another within the denomination. But that does not appear to be the case with the Bachmanns, according to Hochmuth, who said that to his knowledge, the couple was no longer attending a church within the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod. Pastor Marcus Birkholz has been at the helm of Salem Lutheran Church for nearly three decades. When asked about the Bachmanns leaving the church, he said, “I’ve been asked to make no comments regarding them and their family.” Bachmann was asked about her status with the church on Thursday at Reagan National Airport as she headed to catch a flight. When asked about her pastor, she asked, “Which one?” An aide quickly hustled her away, noting that they were late for a flight. The Bachmann campaign declined to immediately respond to a request for further comment Friday. Becky Rogness, a spokesperson in Bachmann’s congressional office, said the Congresswoman now attends a nondenominational church in the Stillwater area but did not know the name of the church or how long she had been attending. Hochmuth said that, “My understanding of the situation was the timing of the request for release was far more coincidental than strategic.” The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod has come under criticism from some Catholics for its views on the papacy, an institution that the denomination calls the Antichrist. "We identify the Antichrist as the Papacy," the denomination's website says. "This is an historical judgment based on Scripture." The Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights issued a statement Thursday about Bachmann's denomination, saying it's "regrettable that there are still strains of anti-Catholicism in some Protestant circles." "But we find no evidence of any bigotry on the part of Rep. Michele Bachmann," the statement continued. "Indeed, she has condemned anti-Catholicism. Just as President Barack Obama is not responsible for the views of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Rep. Bachmann must be judged on the basis of her own record." The debate over the legitimacy of the papacy goes back to the Protestant Reformation. The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod's namesake is Martin Luther, who led the 16th century Reformation and who opposed the papacy. “The issue of the papacy as the Antichrist does go back to Luther - he did use that terminology,” said Professor George C. Heider, theology chair at Valparaiso University, a Lutheran school in Indiana. “Luther’s point was, that in his view, the pope was so obstructing the gospel of God’s free love in Jesus, even though he wore all the trappings of a leader in the church," Heider said. "He was functioning as the New Testament describes it as the Antichrist.” Still, Heider notes that Roman Catholics and Lutherans have close ties today. They recognize each other's baptisms, a point of contention in relations between the Catholic Church and other Protestant denominations. Salem Lutheran Church still maintains some ties with the Bachmann family. It lists a Christian counseling center operated by Bachmann’s husband on its website under special member services for confidential counseling. Hochmuth said there are no formal ties between the counseling center and the denomination but added that it is not uncommon for churches to link off to members’ websites as in this case. Bachmann and Associates has faced accusations that it uses a controversial therapy that encourages gay and lesbian patients to change their sexual orientation. In an interview with the Minnesota Star Tribune published Friday, Marcus Bachmann did not deny that he or other counselors at his clinic used the technique but said they did so only at the request of a patient. "Is it a remedy form that I typically would use?” he said. "It is at the client's discretion." Salem Lutheran Church has about 800 members and holds three services each weekend. The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod is often referred to as theologically conservative. The denomination opposes same-sex marriage and abortion, both positions Bachmann has long endorsed politically. The denomination has approximately 390,000 members in 48 states and 1,300 congregations in the United States and Canada. Presidential candidates’ affiliation with churches and pastors played a dramatic role in the 2008 campaign for president. Then-candidate Barack Obama resigned from his Chicago church in May 2008 after videos surfaced of his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, delivering fiery sermons that criticized certain U.S. policies. In the speeches, Wright suggested that the U.S. government may be responsible for the spread of AIDS in the black community and equated some American wartime activities to terrorism. Wright officiated Obama’s wedding and baptized his children, and the Obamas were members at Wright’s church for years. After a sustained attention on Wright, Obama distanced himself from his former pastor. During the same election cycle, Republican presidential nominee John McCain rejected endorsements from two prominent pastors, John Hagee and Rod Parsley, for controversial statements from the pastors’ pasts. soundoff (2,666 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 Next »
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"The issue of the papacy as the Antichrist does go back to Luther " –
Excuse me, any Patriarch of Rome is only a man. Neither Luther nor any Lutheran would know how much of an Antichrist anybody is. Nothing of the kind is in the Scriptures. The problem with the Lutheran church is that they worship Martin Luther who was no more than a man too, not a saint or a prophet. So Michelle Bachmsnn's actions here may make sense – to me for the first time ever.
I am really interested to hear about her new church.
If you think Lutherans worship Martin Luther then you are completely ignorant of the religion.
It's all sound and fury from a political chameleon.
The whole concept of the church is about control. Control your thoughts, control your family, control your money. Christianity was made up just for this cause by the paedophilic catholic church. If Jesus was alive today, he would not be a christian. He would have been the Bhudist that he originally was ..
People who abuse power, who abuse children, who spread hypocrisy – why, oh why would anybody believe a word they say? Why do you believe their self-definition? Do some research, find out what a Christian is, and you'll see they are simply not Christians, no matter what they call themselves. But Christians exist, they are a quiet and cheerful crowd and are really nice to have around. Trust me.
In that case I can say that during my 14 years of christianity wandering from church to chruch I never met an actual group of christians
Whew! To read some of these posts, you'd think that the Age of Reason (aka Enlightenment) never happened. It was the movement in Europe, by the way that inspired many of those who helped to found this great nation. Sounds like many of the posters here would have slip back into the Middle Ages. Religious warfare anyone? Onward (fill in the blank) soldiers!
It is not religious warfare – it is spiritual warfare. There are many people that post comments and replies on this Blog that use little snippets from the Bible they are unable to understand, in fact they cannot understand them as they are spiritually discerned (1 Cor. 2:14). There is a natural body and a spiritual body (1 Cor. 15:44). The only thing that separates the Natural body from the Spiritual body is the Baptism of Repentance (Mark 1:4). To repent means to change spirits and to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God (Acts 26:18). This is not an interpretation. Many people search the Bible for in them they think they have eternal life, but when we bring them the Scriptures they don’t believe us (John 5:38,39). Confused? There is no need to be confused any longer, as we explain the deep hidden mysteries of God on our website. You can locate it by entering "a world deceived" on Google and it will be the first listing.
Avdberg, p!ss off with your linkspam already. You suck.
AvdBerg: some parts of the bible are pretty easy to understand. Like this one
And Moses said unto them “Have ye saved all the women alive?... Now therefore Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known a man by lying with him, but all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves” Num 31:1-2, 9-11, 14-18
Or the little snippet about Lot and his daughters after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorra
@Scott
You stole a little snippet which you were unable to understand (1 Cor. 2:14: John 10:1-15). The Midianites were considered the enemies of the Israelites and this is how Moses was instructed to deal with them as God deals with all the unbelievers. Do you know how Moses was instructed to deal with men that laid with men? Seek, and ye will find (Matthew 7:7).Unless you repent and turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan (whose spirit you are of) unto God you will die in your sin also (Romans 8:13). The Bible is not a story book. It is a spiritual book and it is spiritually discerned, which the natural man cannot understand (1 Cor. 2:14,15).
CNN is only reporting this as payback for the communist Rev Wright's exposure in the last election.
wait.... what?
and your point?
Or maybe....if the teaparty didn't make such a big deal of Obama's pastor....and if Bachmann didn't run a campaign based so much on her religious beliefs this wouldn't be news...
No, this is way more relevant than Obama's pastor for just those reasons....
Oh yeah right. So are you saying that this should not be reported? The people should not know about this, especially conservative Catholics who actually might cast a vote toward Bachmann? Hypocrite!!!
Well now I can sleep at night. Thank you CNN for that exhaustive report on the candidate's religion. If there is any change in her religious affiliation I know I can count on you to report it right away. How about some news on campaign topics once in a while?
Bachmann is a campaign topic who parades her religion and her holier than thou beliefs as a reason why people should vote for her.
Surely you jest!
Bachmann has made her stand on motherhood, religion, and "pray away the gay", and has sat (for the last 10 years) through sermons, in her church, that labeled the Pope the anti-Christ....and she is now leaving that church due to her run for political office ....and you don't think that is news?
Michelle is our new spokesgirl.
She is a quitter just like Palin. Plus she is braindead, just like Palin. Both are losers also.
You mean she quit like the clown in the Whitehouse.
Losers? They both have enriched themselves immensely. If you measure success in dollar terms they are huge winners. If you measure by moral integrity, well, then you are right....they are losers.
In today's candidate news, Michele Bachmann, having recently left her church behind, is said to be converting to Islam.
Bachmann is also leaving her latent-gay, flaccid husband so that she can be free to pursue musician Yousef Islam (Cat Stevens). Bachmann is guoted as saying "I've always liked his tune. You know what they say about musical men and their trombones..." and "As a Muslim and POuTUS, I could solve our terrorism problems once and for all. There's no way Al Kaida and his countrymen will attack a country with a Muslim leader. This will help me get elected in other ways too. In fact, it might be the only way I can get more than the teabagger vote and pull in anything from Obama's liberal base."
Yousef Islam (Stevens) was heard to say "No way, dude, no friggin way. That leathery old haggis wouldn't have made it as my groupie even when she was 20, no matter how good her oratory skills are."
HAHA!! well said sir!
you really have a problem.
Haggis
ROFLMFAO
Thanks.
When does one have to apply for "membership" to a church? All churches that require this puts a big dent on the value of faith.
She does have a humongous mouth!!
Churches require a membership application so you have somethang to staple your check to.
She is in that religious sector that hates everything that anyone else believes in, if you don't think her way, she doesn't wan't you to have freedom, why she quiting , it won't change here biogted thinking
why did Obummer quit?
I feel sorry for all of you who have been deceived about the Roman Catholic Church. Satan has won your hearts. The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus and was the ONLY Christian church in the world, until Pope Paul 111, excommunicated Martin Luther and King Henry the 8th. A little side note, when martin's mother was dying, she wrote a letter to her son asking him if she should become a Lutheran, he replied no, remain a Catholic. This letter has been preserved through out the centuries. Since the protestant revolt, I hear that there are some 33,000 supposedly Christian denominations!!!
There is so much proof as to the authensity of the Catholic Church! Check it out! Don't let satan capture your soul! Eternity is forever. I pray daily for the conversion of sinners and the salvation of their souls and yes, this means you.
So much bull! The only thing the catholic church taught was how to effectively hide a little boy underneath the robe they wear.
bless you. i listen to sister janet mead's lords prayer every day. i agree completely with you. all religions started great then they became organized child molesting centers. All because they don't like birth control, little boys don't get preggy and they don't talk with their mouth full. Take away that fearful crud and religion is great except that m-ormon underwear
Old maid Miriam, you're a dying breed, and that's a good thing. Smart modern people don't believe your silly myths any more. Soon your churches will be closed and/or put to better uses than being retail outlets for your god fraud.
The catholic leadership that hid the molesters is under pressure and in some cases being prosecuted, so progress is happening there too.
Don't pray to your delusion; that's never done anything other than waste time. Your time could be better spent, e.g. by telling that arch-criminal the pope to stop trying to block condom use in Africa. The world would be a better place if you did that, and you will have done some good before you kick the bucket and the worms get you.
It was not the only church in the world. It was not even the only Christian church. It is true it was the largest christian church. And it used its position to enforce its authority by declaring as heretics any other belief. I
What do you mean you were the only church? What about the Eastern Orthodox? (Remember them? The Catholic church burned their capitol just for fun.) Being an intolerant fundie is one thing; doing it on behalf of an organization that was led by dozens of madman, murdered tens of thousands of people, and ran the largest mass torture system in history is laughable.
Most Catholics I know are realistic about their Church's flaws; you need to take a cue from them, or at lest read a history book or two.
I'm having a hard time figuring out where she came up with 111 Pope Pauls....not in the Roman Catholic Church, that's for sure.
I think your forgetting about the Eastern Orthodox church, which the catholic church split off from about 500 years before Luther and Hennery 8
quit politics now then too and get a real job, learn to work for a living, it might teach you some humility Michelle....might teach you that you have NO right to feel as though you should lord over others, prescribe their lifestyles ....learn to tolerate, learn to understand, oh and by the way, I think your hubby is in that little 'clinic' of yours for a little dark "secret" he's likely hiding himself, hope that all works out for ya...
"...The church council granted the Bachmanns’ request to be released from their membership..." – What would happen if they didn't? – ROFLMAO
We live in an ongoing disaster: We have nearly no knowledge about the bad history of the Roman Catholic Church, and of course out of bad roots must grow a bad tree. The modern RCC cannot show her true colors, because the secular powers are too strong at the moment. I hope and pray that Protestant America will get strong again (ecomomically and spiritually).
In the above article the pope is called Antichrist. Is that correct?
Some of you may know the "Donatio Constantini". There was claimed that once the Roman Emperor Constantin had given (as a present) all earthly power over the Western World to the pope. The writ "Donatio Constantini" was made-up around 800 after Christ and then used for around 600 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) years by the Roman Catholic Church to confirm the pope's earthly power over the emperor and the Western World. Around 1400 after Christ scientists discovered that the writ "Donatio Constantini" was a wicked forgery.
Thus, for a time of 600 (!!!) years the RCC had deceived the whole mankind.
What did the writ claim? It claimed that once the emperor Constantin had become very sick and would have been cured by Pope Silvester I. Constantin had been grateful and had made the pope and his successors higher than himself.
The RCC is Satan's house. A nasty worm hole of lie and murder.
The pope is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Your historical account may be right.. but what about the real reason for the protestant church, The reality is that Henry the Eight was tired of killing his wives every time the pope did not concede a divorce, so he split the church and called himself the representative of god in earth, post the Pope claimed (still does today). Now we could never called Henry the Eight the most benevolent type of guy..
Tell the entire history, not just what what ever suits you at the moment..
I don’t like organized religion, bunch of criminals “”all of them””
@Bob from Pittsburgh
The decline and fall of the Church began, when the popes became hungry for power, honour and money.
The last honorable and lovable pope was Gregory the Great (he was called pope, but that meant "dear daddy" and the ordinary people had named him with this name). Gregory rejected wicked papacy (being called pope with the meaning bishop of all bishops) by full intention. That is funny: A pope, rejecting papacy.
The criminal emperor Phocas made the Roman See the hightest one on earth. From this time on the Church perished.
For full disclosure:
1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482
"New Torah For Modern Minds
Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.
Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.
The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. "
2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.
The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.
earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html
For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".
Current RCC problems:
Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!
3., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).
Current problems:
Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,
3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.
This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.
And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.
Current crises:
The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.
5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."
The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."
Current crises:
The caste system and cow worship/reverence.
6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."
"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"
Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.
Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.
Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!
@ Bob: The creation of the Church of England did not cause the Protestant Reformation. The latter was caused by a German Monk who, after finally being brave enough to state the obvious about the corruption in the Catholic Church, went on an anti-semetic ego trip, and unlike his predecessors had the printing press to disseminate his ideas. The Church of England remained (and remains) more similar to Catholicism than most Protestant sects, minus the papacy.
WI Lutheran Sinod is pretty conservative. Probably something was said there. However, interesting how CNN is paving the way to make an issue out of her church a year and a half from the election when the "mainstream media" would not make much of anything out of Obama's racist church, that he attended twice as long and still won't.
Ben baby, don't mix one with the other. Obama's church or whatever has nothing to do with the crazies that make up her church. Funny how their church "granted" them permission to be "released"!!!!!l!!! LOL!!! What, was it a jail? See, that's why feable minded people join religions.
Was it Bachmanns minister that said of the 9/11 attacks, "America's chickens are coming home to roost"? Oh no, wait...that was the minister of the church that Obama quit. I always get those 2 mixed up.
again you will be crying in 2012 when Mr. Obama wins again . against a group of idiots theives and nut jobs .
now thats funny
OBAMA 2012 and beyond
REPUBLICANS 2012 AND GONE 🙂
Michele Bachman- PLEASE run for the presidency!! Comedians needs more quality material than The Real House Wives of New Jersey
more quality like the clown.
Michelle Bachmann belonged to a 'fringe church' that believes that the pope is the anti-Christ
And you would vote for this woman..................?
I love it. I am sure you became rightuously indignent every time Fox, sorry, Faux, News mentioned Obama's church and its open racism, but you have an issue with this church and no issue with this story coming out a year and a half before an election when CNN et all STILL won't report on Obama's chuch in anything approaching the same detail.
Dern, you are correct. Ben, try not to trip over your frustrations with your right wing heroes(nuts) like Palin, Backmann, Hannity, Newt, etc, etc. Do what you do best and go pray. Afterall, it's Sunday, the day you get on your knees and listen to a stranger telling you how you should live your life.
there must be millions of closet "fringe" believers out there who believe the papacy is the anti-christ. they just wont state it publicly. the catholic church is the greatest farce in the history of mankind
I don't like the Pope, however I have not heard the pope of today calling for the killing of anybody, you can't say the same, you have Pat Roberson on prime TV calling for the assassination not of one but many, and I don't see any Baptist calling him a Waco.. or even that his calling is Unlawful, immoral or antichristian.
welfare check was late?
What M. Bachmann does or says does not matter. Why?
Once again, all the conservative votes in the country "ain't" going to help a "pro-life" presidential candidate, i.e Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman, Michele Bachmann, Tim Pawlenty, Herman Cain, Ron Paul or Rick Santorum, in 2012 as the "Immoral Majority" rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The "Immoral Majority" you ask?
The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012.
2008 Presidential popular vote results:
69,456,897 for pro-abortion BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM.
And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe it should be called the "Stupid Majority"?)
(The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.)
Here's my reply: you're an idiot and have no idea what you are talking about, no support for the numbers you are using, no understanding of "reality" at all, condescending, clueless, and a perfect waste of time if it weren't for the fact that there are so many others with your idiotic views...