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Obama meets with Dalai Lama
July 16th, 2011
02:36 PM ET

Obama meets with Dalai Lama

By the CNN Wire Staff

(CNN) - China spoke out strongly Sunday against a meeting between U.S. President Barack Obama and the Dalai Lama, saying it "hurt the feelings of the Chinese people and harmed Sino-U.S. relations."

"This action seriously interfered with China's internal affairs," said Ma Zhaoxu, a spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, in a statement, adding that officials have lodged formal complaints with their U.S. counterparts in Beijing and Washington.

Obama met with the Dalai Lama on Saturday in Washington, commending the Tibetan spiritual leader on his commitment to nonviolence and pursuit of the "Middle Way" approach with China, the White House said in a statement.

During the closed-door visit at the White House, Obama stressed the U.S. policy that "Tibet is a part of the People's Republic of China and the United States does not support independence for Tibet," the White House said.

In the nearly 45-minute meeting, the president voiced support for "direct dialogue" between China and Tibet as a way to peace, the statement said.

"The Dalai Lama stated that he is not seeking independence for Tibet and hopes that dialogue between his representatives and the Chinese government can soon resume," the White House said.

American support of the Dalai Lama has long been a subject of contention in U.S.-China relations. Chinese officials view the religious leader as a separatist.

The issue of Tibet is one that "involves China's sovereignty and territorial integrity," Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said in a statement released before the meeting. "We oppose foreign leaders meeting with the Dalai Lama in any format."

The strong objection to the meeting continued after it was over.

"By allowing the Dalai Lama to visit the U.S. and arranging the top leader to meet him, the United States has seriously violated basic principles of international relations and its own repeated solemn pledges, and harmed Sino-U.S. relations," Ma's statement said. "China therefore expresses its strong indignation and firm opposition."

The statement concluded by calling on the U.S. "to take China's solemn and just stance seriously, and adopt immediate measures to eliminate adverse consequences."

The president last met with his fellow Nobel Peace laureate in February 2010.

The Dalai Lama expressed hopes that his relationship with China can improve, with U.S. help.

The current Dalai Lama is also known by the name Tenzin Gyatso. He was born in 1935 in modern-day Qinghai, China.

The term "Dalai Lama" is a Buddhist religious title. In traditional Tibetan belief, the title is given to those who are the reincarnations of a line of revered religious teachers. The current Dalai Lama is considered the 14th in this line.

The Dalai Lama has been in Washington on an 11-day visit. He has conducted a mass ritual for Buddhists and met with several lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

CNN's Steven Jiang contributed to this report.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Barack Obama • Buddhism • Dalai Lama • Politics

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  1. Muneef

    @ForestSound..you said;
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    ForestSound
    America, be ready to meet the Chinese in the Pacific. Dalai Lama and Tibetans need Jesus for salvation. Tibetan Buddhism has no salvation. They also need modern education.
    July 17, 2011 at 3:58 am | Report abuse | Reply
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    SoundOfForest
    No, Buddhists are under 500 million today and the fastest growing religion is Islam. If by conversion, Evangelical Christianity is the fastest. In the West, hedonism is the fastest.
    July 18, 2011 at 11:45 pm | Report abuse |
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    SoundOfForest
    Self is sinful, abysmal hallowness. Worship of self leads to madness. Jesus is what Buddhism has desired and dreamed. Emptying self can never be an answer; being filled with Jesus is the Answer.
    July 18, 2011 at 11:41 pm | Report abuse |
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    Here i say;

    Guess this is the long term plan and it is not about Jesus (saws) coming from the skies but rather about the Cross ruling the globe in the name of Jesus (saws) as it was before time with the Islamic Empires that had existed all through time.! Where non Christian will have to pay what was paid by non Muslims that time....!?! 

    July 20, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
  2. John

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5zylpNWxVo&w=640&h=360]

    July 20, 2011 at 10:42 am |
    • .....

      ..Troll ALERT – don't bother watching this garbage, click the report abuse link to get rid of this troll.

      July 20, 2011 at 11:30 am |
  3. SoundOfForest

    Jesus said, "If you do not believe that I am He(God), you will indeed die in your sins. If you hold to My teaching, you are really My disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. I am the gate; whoever enters through Me will be saved. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. I am the Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd lays down His life for the sheep(people)." (from the Gospel of John in the New Testament Bible)

    July 19, 2011 at 10:01 pm |
  4. Muneef

    Study the Quran carefully
    [47:24] Why do they not study the Quran carefully? Do they have locks on their minds?

    [47:25] Surely, those who slide back, after the guidance has been manifested to them, the devil has enticed them and led them on.

    [47:26] This is because they said to those who hated what GOD has sent down, "We will obey you in certain matters." GOD fully knows their secret conspiracies.

    [47:27] How will it be for them when the angels put them to death? They will beat them on their faces and their rear ends.

    [47:28] This is because they followed what angered GOD and hated the things that please Him. Consequently, He has nullified their works.

    [47:29] Did those who harbor doubts in their hearts think that GOD will not bring out their evil thoughts?

    [47:30] If we will, we can expose them for you, so that you can recognize them just by looking at them. However, you can recognize them by the way they talk. GOD is fully aware of all your works.

    [47:31] We will certainly put you to the test, in order to distinguish those among you who strive, and steadfastly persevere. We must expose your true qualities.

    [47:32] Those who disbelieve and repel from the path of GOD, and oppose the messenger after the guidance has been manifested for them, will never hurt GOD in the least. Instead, He nullifies their works.

    [47:33] O you who believe, you shall obey GOD, and obey the messenger. Otherwise, all your works will be in vain.

    The Great Disaster

    [47:34] Those who disbelieve and repel from the path of GOD, then die as disbelievers, GOD will never forgive them.

    [47:35] Therefore, you shall not waver and surrender in pursuit of peace, for you are guaranteed victory, and GOD is with you. He will never waste your efforts.

    [47:36] This worldly life is no more than play and vanity. But if you believe and lead a righteous life, He will reward you, without asking you for any money.

    [47:37] If He asked you for money, to the extent of creating a hardship for you, you might have become stingy, and your hidden evil might be exposed.

    [47:38] You are invited to spend in the cause of GOD, but some of you turn stingy. The stingy are stingy towards their own souls. GOD is Rich, while you are poor.

    July 19, 2011 at 8:04 pm |
    • Muneef

      Traits of the Righteous

      [25:63] The worshipers of the Most Gracious are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace.

      [25:64] In the privacy of the night, they meditate on their Lord, and fall prostrate.

      [25:65] And they say, "Our Lord, spare us the agony of Hell; its retribution is horrendous.

      [25:66] "It is the worst abode; the worst destiny."

      [25:67] When they give, they are neither extr-ava-gant nor stin-gy; they give in moderation.

      [25:68] They never implore beside GOD any other god, nor do they kill anyone – for GOD has made life sacred – except in the course of justice. Nor do they commit adultery. Those who commit these offenses will have to pay.

      [25:69] Retribution is doubled for them on the Day of Resurrection, and they abide therein hum-ili-ated.

      [25:70] Exempted are those who repent, believe, and lead a righteous life. GOD transforms their sins into credits. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

      [25:71] Those who repent and lead a righteous life, GOD redeems them; a complete redemption.

      [25:72] They do not bear false witness. When they encounter vain talk, they ignore it.

      [25:73] When reminded of their Lord's revelations, they never react to them as if they were deaf and blind.

      [25:74] And they say, "Our Lord, let our spouses and children be a source of joy for us, and keep us in the forefront of the righteous."

      [25:75] These are the ones who attain Paradise in return for their steadfastness; they are received therein with joyous greetings and peace.

      [25:76] Eternally they abide therein; what a beautiful destiny; what a beautiful abode.

      [25:77] Say, "You attain value at my Lord only through your worship. But if you disbelieve, you incur the inevitable consequences."
      --

      July 19, 2011 at 8:24 pm |
  5. endcrownsall

    I see you all are back at it again today. It's like looking across the Nangpa La pass... How much do you get paid for each negative comment you post against Tibet? Does it help feed your families? Buddhism has existed for 2,500 years. It has between 350 million and 1.3 billion followers and is one of world's fastest growing religions. Why? Because "...just as a candle cannot burn without fire, men cannot live without a spiritual life."

    July 18, 2011 at 11:03 pm |
    • SoundOfForest

      No, Buddhists are under 500 million today and the fastest growing religion is Islam. If by conversion, Evangelical Christianity is the fastest. In the West, hedonism is the fastest.

      July 18, 2011 at 11:45 pm |
    • endcrownsall

      ??? Your not reading for information very well - or can't count. Since when is 500 million not between 350 million and 1.3 billion? And how does "one of world's fastest growing religions" become the fastest growing religion? Also Hedonism is generally cosidered a school of thought or a philosophy, not a religion.

      July 19, 2011 at 10:24 pm |
  6. Muneef

    My gift to all God Believers, Worshipers living in China that can not practice their beliefs freely...may the believers reading of this Dua's bring the subjugated peace and blisses....amen

    25 Dua'a from the Holy Quran;

    1. Our Lord! Grant us good in this world and good in the life to come and keep us safe from the torment of the Fire (2:201)

    2. Our Lord! Bestow on us endurance and make our foothold sure and give us help against those who reject faith. (2:250)

    3. Our Lord! Take us not to task if we forget or fall into error. (2:286)

    4. Our Lord! Lay not upon us such a burden as You did lay upon those before us. (2:286)

    5. Our Lord! Impose not on us that which we have not the strength to bear, grant us forgiveness and have mercy on us. You are our Protector. Help us against those who deny the truth. (2:286)

    6. Our Lord! Let not our hearts deviate from the truth after You have guided us, and bestow upon us mercy from Your grace. Verily You are the Giver of bounties without measure. (3:8)

    7. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and the lack of moderation in our doings, and make firm our steps and succour us against those who deny the truth.(3:147)

    8. Our Lord! Whomsoever You shall commit to the Fire, truly You have brought [him] to disgrace, and never will wrongdoers find any helpers (3:192)

    9. Our Lord! Behold we have heard a voice calling us unto faith: "Believe in your Lord" as we have believed. (3:193)

    10. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and efface our bad deeds and take our souls in the company of the righteous. (3:193)

    11. Our Lord! And grant us that which you have promised to us by Your messengers and save us from shame on the Day of Judgement. Verily You never fail to fulfill Your promise. (3:194)

    12. Our Lord! We have sinned against ourselves, and unless You grant us forgiveness and bestow Your mercy upon us, we shall most certainly be lost! (7:23)

    13. Our Lord! Place us not among the people who have been guilty of evildoing. (7:47)

    14. Our Lord! Lay open the truth between us and our people, for You are the best of all to lay open the truth. (7:89)
     
    15. Our Lord! Pour out on us patience and constancy, and make us die as those who have surrendered themselves unto You. (7:126)

    16. Our Lord! Make us not a trial for the evildoing folk, and save as by Your mercy from people who deny the truth (10:85-86)

    17. Our Lord! You truly know all that we may hide [in our hearts] as well as all that we bring into the open, for nothing whatever, be it on earth or in heaven, remains hidden from Allah (14:38)

    18. Our Lord! Bestow on us mercy from Your presence and dispose of our affairs for us in the right way. (18:10)

    19. Our Lord! Grant that our spouses and our offspring be a comfort to our eyes, and give us the grace to lead those who are conscious of You. (25:74)

    20. Our Lord! You embrace all things within Your Grace and Knowledge, forgive those who repent and follow Your path, and ward off from them the punishment of Hell. (40:7)

    21. Our Lord! Make them enter the Garden of Eden which You have promised to them, and to the righteous from among their fathers, their wives and their offspring, for verily You are alone the Almighty and the truly Wise. (40:8)

    22. Our Lord! Relieve us of the torment, for we do really believe. (44:12)

    23. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins as well as those of our brethren who proceeded us in faith and let not our hearts entertain any unworthy thoughts or feelings against [any of] those who have believed. Our Lord! You are indeed full of kindness and Most Merciful (59:10)

    24. Our Lord! In You we have placed our trust, and to You do we turn in repentance, for unto You is the end of all journeys. (60:4)

    25. Our Lord! Perfect our light for us and forgive us our sins, for verily You have power over all things. (66:8)

    Ackwnoledgements : Raza Azmi

    July 18, 2011 at 9:39 pm |
    • Reality

      o On the koranic passages and world domination:

      "Mohammed could not have known the size of the world, but several passages in the Koran show that he envisioned Islam dominating all of it, however large it might be: “He it is who sent his messenger . . . that he may cause it [Islam] to prevail over all religions´(Koran 9:33, M.M. Ali; see also 48:28 and 61:9). M.M. Ali designates these three passages as “the prophecy of the ultimate triumph of Islam in the whole world.”

      Mohammed’s successors, the caliphs, quoted passages like these to inspire Muslim armies as they advanced out of Arabia, imposing Islam by the sword upon a peacefully unsuspecting Middle East and North Africa, as I described in the previous chapter.

      Islamic armies, imbued with what Mohammed claimed was divine authorization, imposed Islam by force over vast areas, all the while extorting wealth from subjugated Jews and Christians to fund their ongoing conquests. As I noted, major defeats at Tours, France, in A.D. 732, and again at Vienna, Austria, in A.D. 1683, halted Islam’s attempt to take all of Europe by force. Gradually Islamic forces were forced to retreat from Europe, except for part of the Balkans. But Islam has again set its sights on a conquest of Europe and of European civilization, wherever the latter has spread to North and South America and other regions. Muslim strategists ask their followers, Why do we find in these modern times that Allah has entrusted most of the world’s oil wealth primarily to Muslim nations?

      Their answer: Allah foresaw Islam’s need for funds to finance a final politico-religious victory over what Islam perceives as its ultimate enemy: Christianized Euro-American civilization. So, Islam follows Nazism, fascism and communism as the world’s latest hostile takeover aspirant.

      Nazis, fascists and communists failed. Does Islam have a better chance at success? I believe it will flounder if we awaken to its threat in time; yet, if there is not adequate planned resistance, Islam does have a better chance of succeeding. Communism’s world takeover attempt was guaranteed to fail because its economic policy was naively contrary to human nature. Advocating the rubric What is mine is thine, and what is thine is mine, communism failed to see that human nature will not keep those two balanced propositions in equilibrium. Like a female black widow spider consuming her mate, the latter part of the formula makes a meal of the former, leading to the collapse of any system based upon that formula.
      In contrast, political systems do well if they can persuade people to adhere to What’s mine is mine and What’s thine is thine maxims.

      Only if a strong religious incentive is added does such an idealistic formula have any long-term chance. Even then success will be spotty. But communism (and Nazism, for that matter) excluded religion. And that mistake was the final nail eventually clamping a lid on communism’s coffin. Communism, on a historical scale, perished while still in its childhood.
      Islam is not repeating communism’s mistake. Mating political cunning and incredible wealth with religious zeal, Islam does have a chance to succeed and will succeed unless major parts of the Western world unite to take appropriate countermeasures. But many Western leaders, unable to believe that a mere religion could possible be a serious political threat, keep proclaiming themselves as Islam-friendly, reasoning that all religions are good-aren’t they?

      A Muslim strategist in Beverly Hills, California, declared several years ago, as quoted by a friend of mine: “Now that the struggle between Western democracies and international communism is winding down, it is time for the real and final struggle to begin, and we are going to win!”

      – Don Richardson

      July 19, 2011 at 12:09 am |
    • Steve

      To Don Richardson / Reality

      Yes, all of the Abrahamic religions have doctrines about their exclusive hold on truth, salvation and even world power. Islam really isn't any different.

      In the old Testament God told the Israelites to the people of Ai, Anakim, and many more. The also killed the women and children. Fortunately Jews didn't believe God granted them the whole world or that every foreigner needed to convert. Christianity and Islam just took God's bloody impulses to a new level.

      Christianity would have been the obscure national religion of Amermia or followed by a few levantine tribes living next to the Druze if Constantine hadn't decided tohave Rome fight under a Christian banner. War spread the religion through Europe, excused genocide in the Americas and general colonial dominance around the world.

      When the Muslims controlled Spain, Jews and Christians were second class, but were tolerated. The Christian Spanish slaughtered and drove out all the Jews and Muslims when they took over. Same story with Saladin's levantine kingdom vs the Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem.

      Saddly, even Buddihists have declared war.
      Lets get real, all religion can be abused.

      July 19, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
  7. Karma Zopa Khandro

    why is cnn censuring my comments???

    July 18, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
    • Reality

      The moderators of this blog have set up a secret forbidden word filter which unfortunately not only will delete or put your comment in the dreaded "waiting for moderation" category but also will do the same to words having fragments of these words. For example, "t-it" is in the set but the filter will also pick up words like Hitt-ite, t-itle, beati-tude, practi-tioner and const-tution. Then there are words like "an-al" thereby flagging words like an-alysis and "c-um" flagging acc-umulate or doc-ument. And there is also "r-a-pe", “a-pe” and “gra-pe”, "s-ex", and "hom-ose-xual". You would think that the moderators would have corrected this by now considering the number of times this has been commented on but they have not. To be safe, I typically add hyphens in any word that said filter might judge "of-fensive".

      • More than one web address might also activate “waiting for moderation”. Make sure the web address does not have any forbidden word or fragment.

      Sum Dude routinely updates the list of forbidden words/fragments.

      Two of the most filtered words are those containing the fragments "t-it" and "c-um". To quickly check your comments for these fragments, click on "Edit" on the Tool Bar and then "Find" on the menu. Add a fragment (without hyphens) one at a time in the "Find" slot and the offending fragment will be highlighted in your comments before you hit the Post button. Hyphenate the fragment(s) and then hit Post. And remember more than one full web address will also gain a "Waiting for Moderation".

      And said moderators still have not solved the chronological placement of comments once the number of comments gets above about 100. They recently have taken to dividing the comments in batches of 50 or so, for some strange reason. Maybe they did this to solve the chronology problem only to make comment reviews beyond the tedious.
      Zeb’s alphabetical listing

      o “bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to get past the CNN "awaiting moderation" filter:
      Many, if not most, are buried within other words, so use your imagination.
      You can use dashes, spaces, or other characters to modify the "offending" letter combinations.
      --–
      ar-se.....as in Car-se, etc.
      ba-stard
      co-ck.....as in co-ckatiel, co-ckatrice, co-ckleshell, co-ckles, lubco-ck, etc.
      co-on.....as in rac-oon, coc-oon, etc.
      cu-m......as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, circu-mnavigate, circu-mstances, cu-mbersome, cuc-umber, etc.
      cu-nt.....as in Scu-ntthorpe, a city in the UK famous for having problems with filters...!
      do-uche
      ef-fing...as in ef-fing filter
      ft-w......as in soft-ware, delft-ware, swift-water, etc.
      fu-ck......!
      ho-mo.....as in ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, ho-mogenous, etc.
      ho-rny....as in tho-rny, etc.
      jacka-ss...yet "ass" is allowed by itself.....
      ja-p......as in j-apanese, ja-pan, j-ape, etc.
      ji-sm
      koo-ch....as in koo-chie koo..!
      nip-ple
      pi-s......as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, therapi-st, etc.
      pr-ick....as in pri-ckling, pri-ckles, etc.
      ra-pe.....as in scra-pe, tra-peze, gr-ape, thera-peutic, sara-pe, etc.
      se-x......as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
      sh-@t.....but shat is okay – don't use the @ symbol there.
      sh-it
      sl-ut
      sn-atch
      sp-ic.....as in disp-icable, hosp-ice, consp-icuous, susp-icious, sp-icule, sp-ice, etc.
      ti-t......as in const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, alt-itude, beat-itude, etc.
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, nightw-atchman, etc.
      va-g......as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant, va-gue, sava-ge, etc.
      who-re....as in who're you kidding / don't forget to put in that apostrophe!
      wt-f....also!!!!!!!

      There are more, some of them considered "racist", so do not assume that this list is complete.
      -–
      Allowed words / not blocked at all:
      anal
      anus
      ass
      boob
      crap
      damn
      execute
      hell
      kill
      masturbation
      murder
      penis
      pubic
      raping (ra-pe is not ok)
      shat (sh-@t is not ok)
      sphincter
      testes
      testicles

      The CNN / WordPress filter also filters your EMAIL address and NAME as well – so you might want to check those.

      July 19, 2011 at 12:07 am |
  8. Karma Zopa Khandro

    seemingly, cnn is actively censuring my right to express my opinions here...

    July 18, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
  9. Karma Zopa Khandro

    first of all I will point out that USA Buddhists have the lowet crime rates, the highest IQ s , and th elowest rates of psychosis and neurosis... next to us are the Jews... and I believe the Christians come up 5th or 6th on that list. Go figure,,, and the Vuddhists and the Jews do not want to be saved... now go look up the word DOGMA. I am extremely annoyed that H.H.D.L.

    July 18, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • Realilty

      KZK.

      References supporting your comments are?

      July 19, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
  10. Lydia

    What we wish is only World Peace !

    July 17, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
    • Muneef

      They say only pure Justice will bring peace onto earth..

      July 18, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
    • SoundOfForest

      Wrong peace has innocent victims within the system and that is not peace.

      July 19, 2011 at 11:17 am |
    • Muneef

      It is the same the other way round...means the same thing that there is no peace with out justice...

      July 19, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
  11. Greachina

    This is kind of defense to China in politics.Stupid ...You must get some bad results from this.

    July 17, 2011 at 12:32 pm |
  12. ForestSound

    America, be ready to meet the Chinese in the Pacific. Dalai Lama and Tibetans need Jesus for salvation. Tibetan Buddhism has no salvation. They also need modern education.

    July 17, 2011 at 3:58 am |
    • John Richardson

      Thud <- the forest sound I'm hearing right about now ...

      July 17, 2011 at 6:22 am |
    • fimeilleur

      I thought you had no time to be on CNN 24 hours a day? Were you trying to get rid of me?

      July 17, 2011 at 6:24 am |
    • JAK9295

      Keep your stupidity and intellectual slavery to yourself, Forest. Only imbeciles still believe in the concept of Manifest Destiny.

      July 17, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • ForestSound

      I don't believe in manifest destiny. There are causations, actions, consequences, God's mercy and His justice.

      July 17, 2011 at 7:07 pm |
    • Muneef

      Not a single cricket...!! Must be a Black Forest or a Dead one as good as the Dead Sea...not a single living beings in the Waters...

      July 17, 2011 at 11:46 pm |
    • Tireuxderoche

      Buddhists need Jesus or "salvation" as fish need bicycles.

      July 18, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • cdimarco

      I'm with you ForestSound. Turning inward with Buddhism drove me into anxiety, I couldn't save myself..there was no way to cleanse myself, I was (and still am) an evil person. Jesus has the salvation issue covered, He died for You! Spending your life knowing you're saved, and being able to thank God every day for that salvation brings way more peace than meditation ever did.

      July 18, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
    • SoundOfForest

      Self is sinful, abysmal hallowness. Worship of self leads to madness. Jesus is what Buddhism has desired and dreamed. Emptying self can never be an answer; being filled with Jesus is the Answer.

      July 18, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
  13. Hana

    Reality, I dont see why you are so upset about the visit. If it is true that the Dali Lama is going to retire, I am sure there are many things that he is working on to pave the way for his successor. After all, he as been the Dali Lama for.... what, 75 years? And usually they dont simply retire, they die and their successor is born. So, I would imagine it is all a time to prepare.

    Personally, all politics aside, I think it is an amazing human being. I read a lot of his writing and listened to many speeches when I had to write a senior thesis on his teachings in college.

    July 17, 2011 at 1:56 am |
    • fimeilleur

      I think he's upset about the tax bill.
      I agree he's an amazing individual, but the next Dali Lama needs to be re-incarnated after his death... according to their beliefs... I don't think retirement qualifies for re-incarnation.

      July 17, 2011 at 2:02 am |
    • Muneef

      Cares about the Money being the atheists God that they trust and worship "In God we Trust"....!!?

      July 17, 2011 at 2:10 am |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Muneef,
      We played a definition game earlier... remember?
      Here's another: Atheist = WITHOUT God... singular or plural... that includes $$$.

      July 17, 2011 at 2:16 am |
    • Hana

      @ fimeilleur

      I do understand that, but if the Dali Lama is retiring, then there is a short window in which to do this. And I dont know how they are planning the retirement thing... seems like maybe an interim regent or something until his next carnation? I dont know.

      July 17, 2011 at 2:16 am |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Hana,
      Good question. It'd be interesting to see how the followers would react or accept a regent...

      July 17, 2011 at 2:22 am |
    • Chinese people

      Nice to meet you!
      I'm from Gd China
      I think American people had better believe Dalai lama. he always try to do something bad for China .he is a Ethnic separatism

      July 17, 2011 at 7:07 am |
    • Muneef

      Fim.

      To some God is the Money and when they say in God we trust...it means to them in Money we trust...so people not only tight with money and greed for it but they rather are same with kind words to others...boycotting any kind work that has God in it until ended up bankrupt of every motion or feelings becoming more robats....than the Godly mankind, human being..shouldn't he deserve at least a shred out of the love you give to animals....? Throwing Money and foods with out signs of love is not helping the world much...extending a tunnel from the Nile river to Somalia might prove much more helpful to solve their problems in the run more than just giving food when ever a drought and famine arise...your help is designed to keep such as those more dependable rather than help them selves....such as this loveless help goes waste and wastes more...

      July 17, 2011 at 11:39 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Muneef,

      My friend, you are very hard to understand. I don't condemn you for this, because I don't speak Arabic so we do the best we can, right? OK, In God we trust was added to US currency in 1956 in responce to the perceived threat from communist Russia. It was placed there by the Christian Republican party of the day. Atheists are currently fighting to having the words removed because we believe in the seperation of Church and State. Currently, the majority of the US population is christian... therefore, they believe they can do what they want. What they don't realize is that the fastest growing world religion is Islam... not hard to imagine that the majority of the US population will one day be muslim. IF atheists allow the christians to integrate christian theology in state affaires, what will stop the future muslims from doing the same when they are the majority? THAT is a reality that we atheists are NOT willing to live with.

      Now I think the rest of your comment is trying to describe the well known saying: give a man a fish, he will not go hungry today; teach a man to fish, he will never go hungry. I agree with you 100%.

      July 17, 2011 at 11:50 pm |
    • Muneef

      China is a great ancient nation and there must be a way round it to keep the people rather than the land only and treat them well and give them the respect they need in their land and worship.... Am sure he or the next one to him will accept to live along with you....
      But with out giving and only taking am sure many will take advantage of the situation to keep you troubled for ever nor the killing will solve any thing nor it will clean the hearts from emotions and feelings of hatred and what will not happen today will happen tomorrow..the more you press the sooner it will happen....
      How many religions are being depressed in China other than Buddhist...those all if declared war on Atheism to seek freedom of religion and worship....declared a Religious am sure you will have a hard time since many will be happy to finance to get you end your self by your self as succeeded through the MidEast Spring....if this happen with the Chinese vast territory of lands and cultures it will be just another big bang effect on earth after USS Russia... Effects still being suffered since then to date endlessly....you are a wise nations and not tyrants so open your arms to all before too late to reform...peace.

      July 18, 2011 at 12:02 am |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Muneef,
      there is a big difference between atheism and state worship. State worship places the state as the god. atheism rejects all gods. I've lived in Russia recently and believe me, they are THRIVING in their delusions of orthodoxy. The people there are still oppressed.

      July 18, 2011 at 12:08 am |
    • Muneef

      Fime.
      Very well done...now I understand or I think I do....? So you are saying you the inner you believe in the existence of God and all but for the purpose of keeping balance you reject the Dominion of the Faith....?! If that so is fair enough but through my reading all whom claim to be Atheists are not rejecting the Dominion but rather rejecting the existence of God as a whle and called him a Sp........Monster although I do not think I understand what it means...!

      July 18, 2011 at 12:11 am |
    • Muneef

      Fime.
      Very well done...now I understand or I think I do....? So you are saying you the inner you believe in the existence of God and all but for the purpose of keeping balance you reject the Dominion of the Faith....?! If that so is fair enough but through my reading all whom claim to be Atheists are not rejecting the Dominion but rather rejecting the existence of God as a whle and called him a Sp........Monster although I do not think I understand what it means...!

      Now as to your claim that Islam is the fastest growing religion....what makes you think it is the fastest ;
      – By the number of converts or by the birth rates...!?

      If by converts then try to find out why was it done...in belief of teachings or for money if ever offered as do Cath/Chris missionaries in Africa and Asia... If it was conversion for money then avoid the place but if of true belief then you should become to ask since they might be on a true path...God is every thing and not the Dominions or their heads...

      But you know what upsets me and that is our Prophet was been rejected and refused acknowledgment by Jews and Christians although the Achievements he made exceed all those Noble Prizes given to others at our present time...
      We were all going all fine worshiping one God the God of Abraham...but some have turned the table over by inventing new tailored beliefs that made of the messenger a Son of God and others made of Him God him self in flesh and blood...?
      If they had just kept him as he was meant to be just a Messenger and Prophet of God, we would have been still on Abrahams belief and now wars or fear would grow up since if recognizing that is submission...
      Maybe I should be the pioneer in establishing a new christian faith that takes God as he is by Muslims and take that Jesus & Muhammed are the Messengers and the Prophets of God...coming into some c-ode of understanding with each other...am sure many more will join the new Church if protected and no fears from those who insist on being far from the right path...

      July 18, 2011 at 12:43 am |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Muneef, the flying spaghetti monster was first introduced as an alternate description of God. His existance, like God's cannot be disproven (really gets under the fundies skin). We think of it as a joke and even apply cute sayings to him like "may you be touched by his noodly appendage" and "Ramen".

      fastest growing religion based on population (birth rate & conversions combined)
      rejection of the prophets is even found in christianity, the Jews reject Jesus as the Mesiah, so the christians feel obligated to do the same to the next prophet.

      As far as starting your own church, good luck with that, I can't say that you'll be welcomed with open arms but I wish you no ill will. I once asked a question of an american muslim on YouTube... if the old testament, the Tora, is shown to be demonstrably false, a fabrication... would christianity and Islam be forced to fall?

      July 18, 2011 at 12:54 am |
    • Muneef

      Well go it...and it is not funny...really...

      So it is by birth rate and conversion well at least now I know that all those bombs and poverty made just to keep the figure down maintaining balance...

      The Quran was not quoted from any elder book not a verse would look or sound the same...there is nothing we agree upon so where is the similarity thatnis there?! If the onld Testment proven false we are able from our records to prove which are right and which are false... And that what we been doing and that is what we are being rejected for...
      Now you said Jews did not recognize Jesus and you as Christians do the same for the next prophet....? Does that sound right if one is wrong you go wrong as he is? Any way if the Jew had recognized Jesus then they would have not had the Romans to prosecute him... After all he was prosecuted according to the following verse of the Torah mentioned in the Quran;

      [5:33] The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter.

      July 18, 2011 at 1:18 am |
    • Hana

      @ fimielieur

      You said "I once asked a question of an american muslim on YouTube... if the old testament, the Tora, is shown to be demonstrably false, a fabrication... would christianity and Islam be forced to fall?"

      That is a good question!

      And the answer is that Islam would not be forced to fall. For as much as the Qur'an has many of the same laws, prophets and stories of the Old Testament, the Qur'an is very different. The Old Testament is written more or less like a history book, everything is roughly in chronological order. The Qur'an is written as poetry with everything mixed in as stories to illustrate certain points.

      As Muslims, we must accept that the Qur'an is the word of God/Allah. So, it is his word. That does not negate the possibility of some of it being metaphor to help people understand. Just that it is God's will to tell it. No one can prove otherwise. Actually, one of my favorite sections of the Qur'an says something like...

      (paraphrased) Once there were men in a cave with a dog.... Now, later, some of you will say that there were 5 men in the cave plus the dog. Others will say that there were 5 total, including the dog. But, only Allah really knows.

      Basically stop stressing over the details, they are not what is important. The point is that they were there and they had this experience. So, it is a lesson to Muslims to not get caught up over arguing about details about stories... pay attention to the lessons of them.

      Besides, the Qur'an basically says that the prophets were sent to the Jews and to the Christians and the messages were pure, but the people who wrote it all down got some of it wrong. So, basically, we dont accept the Old or New Testament as perfect anyway. Proving that the Torah is false or incorrect would not be a shock to the Muslim world.

      I mean no disrespect to anyone. I am just explaining the views.

      July 18, 2011 at 1:33 am |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Hana,
      Thank you. I guess my question is better stated if the God of Abraham... ie... if Abraham never existed, then would Allah still exist? (If it's the same answer, that's fine... your answer for the first question is sufficient)

      @ Muneef,
      May I ask from what country you come from? I want to better understand your experience (not pre-judge you). I have been to Egypt, Tunisia, and Turkey... but as you know, religion is not a topic that is easily discussed in person. I was not saying that what was going on was right, but that it was a reason for the resistance. The Jews didn't like being told that they were wrong in the way they served God by the christians, the christians didn't like being told they were wrong in the way they served God by the Muslims... and the christians hated it even more when they were told they were doing it wrong by each other... 30,000 times!

      July 18, 2011 at 1:52 am |
    • Muneef

      Fime.

      Am from Yemen in Yemen...

      The Jews never will follow any one even if he is right...they never really followed Moses right nor were they were happy with Jesus and God knows how many other prophets they ever have rejected or killed to stay and remain as wrong they might be in...

      July 18, 2011 at 2:05 am |
    • Muneef

      Sister Hana.
      I should envy your husband for your intelligence and your high eduction...and really regret having not met you before these two past days...I have been here on the figh with my limited language abilities since Sep 2010 when Pastor of Dove Church decided he would burn the Quran...
      Many of whom I met them might have changed their screen names except for few genuine people such as Peace2all,Reality,Frogist,Mark from Middle River...hope am not forgetting any one...

      July 18, 2011 at 2:13 am |
    • Muneef

      Sister Hana.
      Sorry that was not the subject, the subject is that I would like you to visit this place and take advantage of this powerful Dua's...
      http://www.duas.org/jkabeer1.htm

      July 18, 2011 at 2:17 am |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Muneef.
      Thank you. I have never been to your country, maybe one day I will go. I assure you, I will never change my screen name, for it is my real name. (f my first initial, i my wife's and meilleur, my family name). I do not know the Qu'ran enough to debate you on it, however, through people like you and Hana, I try to understand. I do not hate the people who follow religion, I hate the things they do in the name of religion. As Hana has explained, the Qu'ran can stand alone... I will do my research, but I still don't believe in the existance of gods. Peace to you, Muneef.

      July 18, 2011 at 2:44 am |
    • Hana

      @ fimeilleur

      Ahhh, I think I see where you are going. I am as-suming that you are leaning more in the direction of the Docu-mentation Hypothesis. That if there were many authors that each changed and added to the text as monotheism developed over centuries rather than one man making a covenant with God and creating monotheism at one time... then is there still validity to the existence and importance of that one man and the religions attributed to him?

      Well, I can not speak for anyone other than myself. But, again, no. No, it will not destroy Islam. Would some leave? Maybe. Like the part of the Qur'an that I mentioned before. For those who are like me, who have faith in God and the lessons that God teaches rather than the details of what is based on fact and what is pure metaphor, it will make no difference what so ever.

      I know you may not understand this. But, my faith is not in a book. My faith is in God/Allah. I feel God in every moment of my life. In the body's defenses against diseases. In the miracle of child birth. In the wind blowing through the trees. My heart can FEEL God in my life. I dont know how else to explain it. So, in the depths of my soul, I KNOW God exists. And I know that God lead me to Islam and the Qur'an. Thus, I accept the Qur'an as the word of God. In the face of that kind of deep spiritual connection, no detail could shake that faith.

      July 18, 2011 at 2:59 am |
    • Hana

      Salam brother, Thank you for your kind words. Apparently my computer does not like this website very much. So, I am not on here very often. But, I am more than happy to help if I can.

      July 18, 2011 at 3:02 am |
    • Hana

      @ fimeilleur

      If you want to continue your research and read the Qur'an (no expectations from me), I would suggest that you do 2 things to help.

      1. Keep a note pad going with notes as you find things. As I said before, the Qur'an is written as poetry and is mixed up with stories. So, sometimes, you get a little of a story here, then a little more there, then a little more over there...

      2. I would suggest you read the Qur'an backwards. I mean start with the last chapter first and so on. The reason is that approximately the last third of the Qur'an is made up of the shorter chapters that were revealed to Muhammad (pbuh) while he was in Mecca. It makes up the first 13 years or so of his prophethood. It also focuses almost entirely on setting the foundation of theology and the relationship to God/Allah. The rest of the Qur'an is from his time in Medina when a community was arising so, laws and history were being given. But, those laws and history should be understood from the perspective of knowing the theology.

      July 18, 2011 at 9:52 am |
    • Muneef

      Fime.

      Very nice of you and hope when the mess we are in is over and the country by the Might of God become safer again for local travels I would be more than happy to be your Host in Yemen...it is a pleasure..

      Another thing about reading the Quran...remember that if you can not read Arabic,it will mean that you will be needing to read English translations therefore do not judge the contents bases one translation since those translators might have twisted translation of words to mean what they want to think of....this I noticed from reading the English Quran...

      Sister Hana is loving the Religion and seems she knows more than me therefore I agree with her it would be less stressful for you to read backwards since they are short Sura's..since the longest Sura in the Quran is number 2:...
      Although I suggest before reading it backward you ought to start with Sura 1: first then go back...since it is said that Sura 1: is the mother of the Quran and the 7 Graces for God...

      As Hana said our believe is in God and reading books is just to know more about God...
      Check the Serial of belief here in this verse between brackets;

      [2:285] The messenger has believed in what was sent down to him from his Lord, and so did the believers. ((They believe in GOD, His angels, His scripture, and His messengers: "We make no distinction among any of His messengers.")) They say, "We hear, and we obey. Forgive us, our Lord. To You is the ultimate destiny."
      ---
      Check how and what to expect from reading the Quran between brackets ;

      [20:113] We thus revealed it, an Arabic Quran, and ((we cited in it all kinds of prophecies, that they may be saved, or it may cause them to take heed.)).

      [20:114] Most Exalted is GOD, the only true King. ((Do not rush into uttering the Quran before it is revealed to you, and say, "My Lord, increase my knowledge.")).
      ----
       

      July 18, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
  14. fernace

    I hope the Dalai Lama will give our leader a point or 2 about standing up for the middle class, against politicians who want to use us as a human "red carpet" for their special interest big wigs! That would be helpful!!

    July 16, 2011 at 9:01 pm |
    • Ray

      We Chinese do not care about what he said, we only care about what he did.

      July 16, 2011 at 9:41 pm |
    • Muneef

      Ray.
      What did that mean when you said you Chinese didn't care about what he said but care more about what he did?
      And who did you mean by that, was it the Dalai lama or Obama?
      Thank you

      July 17, 2011 at 12:16 am |
    • cdimarco

      the only advice the Dalai Lama could give in that case is "run away!!!"

      July 18, 2011 at 2:28 pm |
    • Muneef

      cdimarco.

      The man has been running away ever since China took over the Tibet....he was living in India ever since... Poor guy really once he was living on the highest tops of thr tibet mountains and breathing the freshest Air among the clouds...and for taking British as allies a taking a stand to China Red Army...he was deceived by one of his men and then droped as a fallen angel from the top of the skies...he was very young then poor kid...no childhood...holiness without a land...he is one of the few great men may God that he lives the rest of his life and die in peace....and may God that he be allowed to be burried in the Tibet where ever was his place of his living and worship...he was deprived of his land from Childhood so at least allow him be burried dead...

      July 20, 2011 at 7:39 pm |
  15. kumar

    There goes another chinese attempt to malign an individual. Dalai Lama is revered in his own right. And i am amazed at the level with which the CHINESE idiots behave in name calling dalai lama. First, they dont realize that Dalai Lama is too big of a figure head to be called. It is like throwing a stone, standing from a glass house. The more chinese try to avoid the Tibetian issue and try immoral tactics, the more they get isolated and will be punished for. Make no mistake, It is not Dalai lama that is an issue, It is their (chinese) own actions in tibet that is an issue. No wonder, "Reality" and "Frank", just cause you can post some comments, does not make you "not a pimp". Reader could very well know "who the real pimps are" and "who you are"...

    July 16, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
    • frank

      u are in misunderstand place

      July 16, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
    • Muneef

      How considerate of you....what about the faith of state of Kashmir being squashed under the Indian's and Pakistani's feet's both ends...? Not a word of consideration about that is there?

      July 17, 2011 at 12:36 am |
  16. frank

    The Dalai Lama is a pimp.

    July 16, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
    • Lydia

      Frank , how do u know ? R u his customer ? U must had good service from him , that's why u gave him free promotion ! Pls , if u respect urself , when u say something , prove it !

      July 17, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • endcrownsall

      Dr. Frank-enstein, I presume?

      July 18, 2011 at 11:21 pm |
  17. Reality

    So we should send Spiffy the bill for the security men and women working overtime and the for the food and drink served at said useless meeting with this lame-duck, "lotus-flowered" Buddhist.

    Reminds one of something Mr. Harris noted about Buddhism:

    "Indeed, there are ideas within Buddhism that are so incredible as to render the dogma of the vir-gin birth plausible by comparison. No one is served by a mode of discourse that treats such pre-literate notions as integral to our evolving dis-course about the nature of the human mind. Among Western Buddhists, there are college-educated men and women who apparently believe that Guru Rinpoche was actually born from a lotus. This is not the spiritual breakthrough that civilization has been waiting for these many centuries."

    http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/response-to-controversy2

    July 16, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      People, audascious Reality; are nothing than Creatures of Omnivore Conditioning with a seductive helping of Vocalized Harkening upon the Melodious Synapses leaning toward Melancholy Reverberations Outlasting the very Fragrances of Misaligned Vestibutes in Socialisms of the Grandiose Nature.

      The Omnivorous Natures of the Chinese to eat almost anything is the Abutment whereupon this New Age of World History finds itself getting a vigorous case of Regurgitation! The USA and Many Nations of the latter days in Historical Dogma will find themselves none the wiser than the Chinese who relish and will not relinquish their Ideological Venues of Today.

      As Christianity seeps into the Chinese Philosophies, the noose of Governance will be tightened to such a raving degree that Chinese Christianity will foster into nowhere-nohow-noway.Dynamisms in retributions' of engrained Allotments where and when the Quandries of Socialism begins its' Dictatorial Euphemisms to Implode!

      Only under the prying eyes of Chinese Capitalism will Christendom be allowed and even though there are now homefront churches of Christianity popping up, they will be allocated to the Rear of the Bus as Time traverses the Chasms of Lineaged Culturalism. The Dalai Lama may or not exhort His Virtuoso of Reincarnation into becoming nothing more than a dot or comma in the Traditions of the World View.

      July 16, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
    • endcrownsall

      Mr. German King - James Joyce lives!

      July 18, 2011 at 11:28 pm |
  18. Amalia Sheran Sharm

    Obama meets with Dalai Lama
    llama llama duck

    July 16, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • endcrownsall

      A "llama" is a domesticated pack animal of the camel family found in the Andes, valued for its wool fleece. A "duck" is a swimming water bird with a flat bill, short neck, and webbed feet. What does that make you?

      July 19, 2011 at 10:39 pm |
  19. News Flash ...

    I'm confused.
    5/31/11 – "(CNN) - The Dalai Lama announced Thursday his plan to retire as political head of the exiled movement, according to his website.
    "Tibetans need a leader, elected freely by the Tibetan people, to whom I can devolve power," the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader said in a statement. "Now, we have clearly reached the time to put this into effect."
    He said he will formally propose amendments to the Charter for Tibetans in Exile to make the change at the upcoming session of the Tibetan Parliament in Exile that begins Monday. If the changes are made, leadership of the group would be passed to an elected leader.
    The Dalai Lama told CNN in October that he would like to retire at some point.
    "I'm also a human being. ... Retirement is also my right," he said while on a speaking tour of North America.

    July 16, 2011 at 3:05 pm |
    • endcrownsall

      My understanding is His Holiness the Dalai Lama resigned as the political leader of Tibet - in the interest of promoting democracy - but remains Tibet's spiritual leader.

      July 18, 2011 at 11:17 pm |
  20. Reality

    And how much did this meeting cost the taxpayers? Are not said taxpayers $14 trillion in debt? Time for BO to show some restraint with our money!!!

    July 16, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
    • Spiffy

      Umm... Are you some sort of idiot? Why would it cost you anything for the Dalai Lama to meet with the president?

      July 16, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
    • Reality

      So we should send Spiffy the bill for the security men and women working overtime and the for the food and drink served at said useless meeting with this lame-duck, "lotus-flowered" Buddhist.

      Reminds one of something Mr. Harris noted about Buddhism:

      "Indeed, there are ideas within Buddhism that are so incredible as to render the dogma of the vir-gin birth plausible by comparison. No one is served by a mode of discourse that treats such pre-literate notions as integral to our evolving dis-course about the nature of the human mind. Among Western Buddhists, there are college-educated men and women who apparently believe that Guru Rinpoche was actually born from a lotus. This is not the spiritual breakthrough that civilization has been waiting for these many centuries."

      http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/response-to-controversy2
      -----------------------------------------------------

      July 16, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
    • Muneef

      As if you didn't know that there are tools of pressure used against the Chinese few I could remember now;
      – The Dalai Lama (Tibetan religious).
      – The Taiwan case.
      – The Christianity.
      – The Human rights issues.
      All that is to control China economically and politically such as those about currency exchange and North Korea.

      July 17, 2011 at 12:28 am |
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