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Amid Bachmann controversy, many Christians cool to conversion therapy for gays
Presidential candidate Michele Bachmann and her husband Marcus, who says his counseling business uses conversion therapy for clients who request it.
July 18th, 2011
11:25 AM ET

Amid Bachmann controversy, many Christians cool to conversion therapy for gays

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - When presidential candidate Michele Bachmann’s husband, Marcus, addressed accusations that his Christian counseling business encourages homosexual clients to try to change their sexual orientation, he appeared to play down the role of so-called conversion therapy at his clinics.

"Is it a remedy form that I typically would use?” Bachmann told Minnesota’s Star Tribune newspaper. “It is at the client's discretion.

"We don't have an agenda or a philosophy of trying to change someone," Bachmann said, noting that such therapy was not a focus of his two clinics.

Michele Bachmann officially quits her church

Bachmann’s seeming ambivalence about conversion therapy - sometimes called reparative therapy - after a week’s worth of news stories that raised questions about whether his clinics promote the practice may illustrate a broader trend in the conservative Christian subculture.

While many evangelicals once viewed conversion therapy as key way to deal with homosexuality, many of the religious movement's leaders and organizations have cooled to the practice in recent years, as more science suggests that homosexuality may be innate and as new therapeutic approaches have emerged.

“Evangelicals, in quiet ways, are shifting to this position to where there is just not a lot of support for the change paradigm,” said Warren Throckmorton, an influential voice in the world of Christian counseling, referring to so-called change therapy.

“In the late 1990s, the debate was clearly, ‘Could gays change from being gay?’ and the focus was on orientation, and it was a big part of politics,” said Throckmorton, an associate professor of psychology at Grove City College, an evangelical school in Pennsylvania.

One sign of that shift, Throckmorton says, is the influential evangelical group Focus on the Family’s 2009 decision to stop funding a program teaching that “transformation is possible for those unhappy with same-sex attractions." (Focus, which said the move was due partly to financial pressures, handed the program off to another Christian group.)

The head of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, meanwhile, a leading conservative Christian, has recently chided some evangelicals for characterizing homosexuality as a choice that’s relatively easy to change.

“We have spoken carelessly and unknowledgeably in the past to just say, ‘Just change. Just decide right now your pattern of attraction is not homosexual but heterosexual,’ ” Southern Baptist Theological Seminary President Al Mohler said. "We have to know better.”

“We understand that sexual attraction and a profile of someone’s sexuality is a complex of factors, some of which are certainly not chosen,” he continued. “It’s not just a matter of choice. It’s not something that’s turned on or turned off.”

Exodus International, the national Christian organization that promotes "freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ," has de-emphasized conversion therapy in recent years as more of the counselors in its network have abandoned the practice.

“In the 1980s and '90s, the counseling emphasis was heavier than it was today,” said Alan Chambers, the president of Exodus. “Transformation in Christ is possible, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that we will never be tempted or completely move beyond a certain struggle that we might have.

“But we can live through the filter of our faith and abide by that most, and leave behind all sorts of things that have power of us,” said Chambers, who once identified as gay but who says he no longer does.

Most conservative Christians point to biblical passages that condemn homosexuality and believe the Bible teaches that sex is to be reserved for married men and women.

The American Psychological Association adopted a resolution condemning conversion therapy in 2009, saying that “mental health professionals should avoid telling clients that they can change their sexual orientation through therapy or other treatments.”

But the same resolution also encouraged therapists to consider the religious beliefs of clients who say such beliefs are important to their views of homosexuality.

Some Christian counselors have moved away from reparative therapy and have adopted a therapeutic approach that Throckmorton describes as a “congruence paradigm.” The model encourages counselors to appreciate a client’s wishes to harmonize their values, often shaped by religion, and their sexuality.

Under the congruence approach, a religious person who considers homosexuality sinful could attempt to square their beliefs and sexuality by trying to remain celibate. A bisexual client who perceives a similar conflict could try to focus on heterosexual relationships.

But under the congruence model, it’s up to the client - not the therapist - to decide how to view his or her sexual orientation. “If they say 'I think being gay is OK and it’s what I want to pursue,' we’ll work with them to do that, too,” said Throckmorton.

Evangelical re-examination of conversion therapy is part of a larger conversation under way among conservative Christians on how to respond to homosexuality at a time when more gay people are coming out, when there's a new awareness of the bullying that many young gay people face and when the gay rights movement is making some big strides, including, in some states, legalized gay marriage.

“We’re silly to think that there are not gays coming to church, part of our congregations,” said Marcus Yoars, the editor of Charisma, a popular Christian magazine. “It’s the elephant in the room. Its ridiculous that we can’t address it in a manner of love first, which doesn’t mean watering down biblical teaching.”

For the first time in years, Charisma put the issue of homosexuality on the cover of its magazine for the July issue, in a package that includes a story of a woman who says she was “rescued from lesbianism.”

But Yoars said that conversion therapy should be seen as only a small part of the Christian response to homosexuality.

“We have to realize that reparative therapy is a fraction of what’s out there, especially in Christian counseling,” he said. “When it’s reduced to sound bites, it gives (the therapy) a bad rap and falls into the stereotype of all Christians feeling that this kind of therapy is what all Christian counselors should use.”

Another factor behind the new evangelical conversation around homosexuality and conversion therapy is a generational shift on attitudes toward the issues. Recent polls show that young evangelicals are much more supportive of rights for gay partners than their parents are, even as they mirror their parents' opposition to abortion.

"Retaining young people is crucial, and a more accepting generation will not tolerate business as usual when it comes to the debate over homosexuality," wrote Jonathan Merritt, a young evangelical leader, in a recent opinion piece. "Pastors need not compromise their convictions, but they can expect congregants to call for a more accepting, forgiving message – a more Christian message.

"If Christian leaders can’t make that transition – and quickly – instead of an awakening," Merritt wrote in the Christian Science Monitor, "evangelicals may be facing an exodus."

–CNN’s Eric Marrapodi contributed to this report.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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  1. cbd123

    Yeah, he definitely has a "wide stance"...

    July 18, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
  2. badchecker

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmIdsDxylM&w=425&h=349]

    July 18, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
  3. bob

    Just another way atheists are underminding our nations morality

    July 18, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
    • wgage

      The nations morality is not based on religion. If you think so you need to get out of your cave.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • Satan

      yeah your cave where you make love to the dead body of Osama BinLaden

      July 18, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
    • Shelby

      A recent Gallup poll found that 80% of ppl believe that the bible is the word of God or inspired by Him. You need to wake up and realize we are a Christian nation. Sorry Obama.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Shelby

      You said: "A recent Gallup poll found that 80% of ppl believe that the bible is the word of God or inspired by Him."

      Notice how many denominations of Christianity there are (~ 34,000). Each denomination can show you scripture, that "proves" they understand the wants of Jesus/god.
      All of the denominations could not be correctly interpreting the bible. Many are contradictory.
      Many of these denominations believe only their members will be saved.

      If the Christian god exists, and He is all knowing and all powerful and all good, why didn't He provide a bible that could not be misinterpreted? That everyone's comprehension of His wants would be the same?

      Christians believe god's purpose in creating the Bible is to guide human beings towards a knowledge of God, and to help them lead moral lives, Christians must be certain of the meaning of the Bible.

      ambiguity – a word or expression that can be understood in two or more possible ways : an ambiguous word or expression.

      "There are in excess of 1,000 Christian faith groups in North America. They teach diverse beliefs about the nature of Jesus, God, the second coming, Heaven, Hell, the rapture, criteria for salvation, speaking in tongues, the atonement, what happens to persons after death, and dozens of other topics.

      On social controversies, faith groups teach a variety of conflicting beliefs about abortion access, equal rights for ho_mo$exuals and bi$exuals, who should be eligible for marriage, the death penalty, physician assisted suicide, human $exuality topics, origins of the universe, and dozens of other topics.

      The groups all base their theological teachings on the Bible. Generally speaking, the theologians in each of these faith groups are sincere, intelligent, devout, thoughtful and careful in their interpretation of the Bible. But, they come to mutually exclusive conclusions about what it teaches. Further, most are absolutely certain that their particular interpretations are correct, and that the many hundreds of faith groups which teach opposing beliefs are in error." Source: Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance

      If the bible is ambiguous, then it cannot be said to be inerrant.

      The Christian god is very unlikely to exist.

      Cheers!

      July 18, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
    • sbp

      Sure thing, Shelby. 80% of people are right handed, too. Why don't we start persecuting the left handed people?
      80 years ago, 80% of people thought blacks were sub-human. I guess that makes it right, as well?

      You just choose not to think, don't you?

      July 18, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
    • Saywhat?

      Of course morality is based on religion. So were the laws of this country originally based on the Judao-Christian lifestyle, generally speaking. That is why we have things like "The Good Samaritan Law". Hmmm....I wonder where that phrase came from???

      July 18, 2011 at 4:23 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "If the bible is ambiguous, then it cannot be said to be inerrant."

      Did someone say it was? Being inspired does not mean perfection.

      Shalom!

      July 18, 2011 at 4:23 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @sbp- Strawman fallacy.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:24 pm |
    • Really?

      At Shelby, polls can be very manipulative. Who performed the poll, where did they perform the poll, who had access to the poll? How many times could a single person vote? Was the poll truly independent? I guarantee you I can conduct a poll that drops this figure to 20%.

      David Johnson, I entirely agree with your post and respect it though I was raised in a denomination that taught us that the Bible was written by men containing stories that should be taken lightly, and bound by a church that hand picked which passages to included. Little do people know there are passages that condemn any structure such as a church because the Romans had done the same with their theology. These friars believed more in finding the messages that helped those around you. Think of it more as a map, there are many paths you can take, rather than an instruction manual. But then again these men were friars and enjoyed more in having a cold beer and helping others while taking a vow of poverty.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:37 pm |
    • ScifiChickie

      There is nothing wrong with faith, but when you place your faith above others & state that your believes are more valid than mine, & then try to force your faith on me thats when I get mad. I don't care if you think I'm gonna burn for enernity, thats between me & my god. You worry about you & your realtionship with your god, & I'll worry about mine.
      This is exactly why the US was formed.
      The Colonist were tired of being told what that thier beliefs were wrong, so they took up arms in order to protcet their faith, among other things...

      July 18, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Lycidas

      I said: "If the bible is ambiguous, then it cannot be said to be inerrant."

      You responded: "Did someone say it was? Being inspired does not mean perfection."

      You missed the point.

      The Christian god is said to be Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnibenevolent.

      1.) If the Christian god is Omnibenevolent, He would WANT humans to know His will, that they might be saved.

      1 Timothy 2:4
      4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. King James Version (KJV)

      2.) If the Christian god is Omniscient, He would know how to create / inspire a book, of His will, that was not ambiguous.

      3.) If the Christian god is Omnipotent, He would be able to create / inspire a book, of His will, that everyone would interpret in the same way.

      Yet, there are ~ 34,000 different denominations of Christianity.

      1 Corinthians 14:33
      33 for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

      The Christian god is very unlikely to exist.

      The "the bible is not inerrant was for our fundamentalist friends." LOL

      Cheers!

      July 18, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "The Christian god is said to be Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnibenevolent.

      The "the bible is not inerrant was for our fundamentalist friends." LOL"

      Perhaps it was, but it doesn't mean I can't point out the truth as I see it now does it? 😉

      Shalom!

      July 18, 2011 at 5:43 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "Omnibenevolent"

      Of course though, that is not an aspect of God. That is an as.sumption from misunderstanding of scripture. After all, how can anyone ignore how God was in the prophets. God's wrath is quite pronounced.

      Shalom!

      July 18, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
    • Bucky Ball

      Shelby,
      When you get to college you will maybe take a logic course, and learn that "Appeal to Popularity" is a logical fallacy,
      99.99 % of the world once believed the world was flat.

      July 18, 2011 at 8:51 pm |
  4. WhtRULknAt

    It seems a little too late for you Christians to try to make nice now... I have an idea: Why don't you go eff yourselves?

    July 18, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
    • HUH?

      You first!

      July 18, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
    • badchecker

      The problem is, it's never too late for Christians to catch up to common day ethics. They burned witches, lynched black men, denegrated women, spewed hatred over mixed raced marriages; yet all is forgiven when they are forced to change with the times. It's sad really. Base your thoughts off of actual thoughts people!

      July 18, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
    • WhtRULknAt

      badchecker: These so-called people of God are directly responsible for the deaths of countless young gay people, including those who I have known and loved. What I am saying is that they will never be forgiven by me.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:24 pm |
  5. QS

    "Retaining young people is crucial..."

    A corporation that needs to retain and recruit young people by marketing its addictive "substance" called self-righteousness to unsuspecting, naive youth....sounds eerily similar to the tobacco industry and its tactics and methods.

    Much like how the tobacco industry would eventually disappear if they were somehow undable to attract young, fresh consumers to buy and use their product, the religion corporation would similarly disappear if the hazards of religion were printed visibly on the front of the package for all young people to see and hopefully choose to avoid.

    July 18, 2011 at 4:09 pm |
  6. Jim

    I have to laugh at all these people who say that gays can change. Like they know what it's like to be gay? Being gay is a lot like being left handed. It's something that develops after birth and is part of our body's response to outside stimulus.

    Yes, you can teach a left handed person to use their right hand all the time, but that doesn't make then right handed.

    July 18, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
    • NotsoEasy

      You are right, we are all born into sin. We can't change that, I don't have anything wrong with people being gay. Neither does God, I'm pretty sure it is the sxx part that he indicated is wrong, just like promiscuity.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
  7. QueenofCoffee

    The Bible states we are all created in His image. We have a free will. We are triparte...(1) our body with its senses/sensual nature, (2) our soul consisting of mind/emotions/free will=our choice, and (3) our spirit. The Word tells us we are to guard our mind and hearts. If we don't, we error and sin and open ourselves up to evilness and habitual wrong behavior. Our mind controls our body. We are told that Satan attacks our minds with darts. Pull the dart out and fill the mind with what God's word says on the subject. If we are addicted to something, it began in the thought process of our mind as we yielded to the temptation. We are all tempted. We all are weak but in different areas. God created us. He knows what is best for us. The churches are pathetic today. All about "self". The Bible states...having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof, from such turn away. Shame on the churches for not caring about our Creator and our neighbor as our priority and instead worshipping the blessings. At the end of the age, we can make no excuse, we chose, He alone will judge us.

    July 18, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
    • Jim

      Why is it that some people live their life according to a 2,000 year old history book which has no bearing on modern society? That's like cooking out of a cookbook from the 1700s. That doesn't make any sense either.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
    • NotsoEasy

      Well, it's just not a "book" or a "story"

      July 18, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @QueenofCoffee

      You said: "The Bible states we are all created in His image. We have a free will."

      Christians say, "Free will is given to man, by God". Each person can choose to accept god's love and spend eternity in Heaven or to reject god and spend eternity being tortured in Hell. How is that freedom of choice when it is the same thing as The Godfather, making you an offer you cannot refuse?

      The problem with free will is, that Christians have insisted on their god being Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnibenevolent.
      No god can be all three at the same time. The attributes contradict each other.

      If god knows what He will do in the future and because He is Omnipotent, does something else, then He is not omniscient.
      If god knows what He will do in the future and cannot do something else, then He is not omnipotent.
      See the problem?

      If God knows the future, if the future can be known, that means that the future is predictable and unchangeable. This, in turn, means that our actions are predetermined. If god is all knowing, free will is an illusion.
      This also binds god, in that He knows what he will do in the future, and He must do it.

      Let's look at Jesus and his predictions that Judas would betray him and Peter would deny him.
      Those were future events. Do you think Judas could have used his free will to opt out? Not, if Jesus/God was omniscient. Same goes for Peter.
      The actions of Peter and Judas were predetermined. They had no choice.

      When Moses was attempting to secure the release of the Jews from Egypt, God repeatedly "hardens Pharaoh's heart". God did not allow Pharaoh to release the Jews, until He had delivered His 10 plagues upon the Egyptian people. Pharaoh didn't have free will. The Egyptian people, who suffered the plagues, didn't either.

      Biblical prophecy would not be possible, unless events and human actions were predetermined and there is no free will.
      The fulfillment of a prophecy cannot be left to random chance.

      What about the child who is murdered by a monster, or a people slaughtered by a stronger opponent (or a god)?
      Did they choose to be harmed? Where was their free will? These acts show that the strong or the people in power have greater free will than their victims. Hmm... Isn't this a lot like what would happen if there was no god?

      If god has a "plan for each of us", if there is an agenda, then that pretty much rules out free will.

      Jeremiah 29:11
      For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

      "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]

      You might argue, that while god has a plan for each of us, He doesn't force us to follow this plan. The problem with this argument, is that if a person does not follow god's plan, it may affect my ability to follow god's plan. A drunk driver may run me down. A robber may shoot me. My plan would be cancelled.

      Ephesians 1:11 "We have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will."

      "this man [Christ Jesus] delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God" (Acts 2:23a NASB).

      The 5 point Calvinists believe our fates are sealed, even before we are born. This would mean that god allows humans to be born, knowing they will someday burn forever. Seems wrong to me, even for a mysterious god.

      There is no evidence that a god gives or safeguards free will. In fact, there is much evidence to the contrary.

      Humans have free will not because of god, but because god does not exist.

      Cheers!

      July 18, 2011 at 4:37 pm |
  8. JC

    scary, these are the people who would do to the gays the same thing it was done to the Jewish.

    July 18, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • saaly

      that's stupid and you know it!

      July 18, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
  9. bobbyjoebobwilly

    you can always count on ny hebrews to have all the answers and protest everytime the words Christian or prayer are mentioned in any context, by the way is Bachmann the newest conservative woman to be hacked on a daily basis by cnn, and is cnn through with the daily Palin bashing, because we all know its so fair and balanced

    July 18, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • sbp

      Yeah, it must be the Jews again. Hey, why not round them up in concentration camps and do away with them? I bet you love the Nazi's for doing that, except that you also claim it didn't happen.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
  10. WhereRtheRealPeople

    This blog is growing. So much free time on our hands. Must be all the millions of unemployed Rep and Dem posting today. Gay people are the only ones with jobs. Mr. Obama said so. He's their GOD.

    July 18, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • Norman

      He's not our god-hes OK, but hes done more for gays than any other president in history. Some gays arent working...I have several friends that have been laid off.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • sam

      Get a job.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
  11. boocat

    I think her husband's gay.

    July 18, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • Satan

      Hes totally gay. Very sad for him. And her. What a messed up life to deny ones nature.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • Kathy

      That is so funny you say that, I was thinking the same thing!

      July 18, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
    • Christinem10

      ...and in other news...water is wet.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
  12. badchecker

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmIdsDxylM <- Why I could never align myself with the Republican Party.

    July 18, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
  13. smc

    Has anyone figured out yet if Bachmann's husband really has a PhD in Clinical Psychology, since the graduate school he attended does not appear to offer a PhD in that area?

    July 18, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • badchecker

      Really? Color me curious...

      July 18, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
    • smc

      Minimally, the program he was in does not appear to be accredited, but it's rather unclear if Union Graduate School even offered a PhD in Clinical Psychology. Just do a search on "Bachmann PhD Union Graduate School".

      July 18, 2011 at 4:42 pm |
  14. Amunaka

    One more try ...on the genetics thing ...

    Genes contribute to religious inclination

    16 March 2005

    New Sience

    Maggie McKee

    Genes may help determine how religious a person is, suggests a new study of US twins. And the effects of a religious upbringing may fade with time.Until about 25 years ago, scientists assumed that religious behaviour was simply the product of a person's socialisation – or "nurture". But more recent studies, including those on adult twins who were raised apart, suggest genes contribute about 40% of the variability in a person's religiousness.

    One in five women strays but maybe she can't resist – it's in her genes
    By Mark Henderson, Science Correspondent

    A WOMAN’S genes are as likely to make her cheat on her husband or boyfriend as they are to trigger high blood pressure or depression.

    A study of more than 1,600 pairs of female twins has revealed that genetic factors have as much influence over infidelity as they do over medical conditions in which their role has long been established.

    Boys with ‘warrior gene’ likely to join gangs

    Aggressive trait also linked to violence, weapon use, new study finds
    June 5, 2009

    Boys who have a so-called "warrior gene" are more likely to join gangs and also more likely to be among the most violent members and to use weapons, a new study finds.

    "While gangs typically have been regarded as a sociological phenomenon, our investigation shows that variants of a specific MAOA gene, known as a 'low-activity 3-repeat allele,' play a significant role," said biosocial criminologist Kevin M. Beaver of Florida State University.

    July 18, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • WhereRtheRealPeople

      So say the evolutionist. Say Hi to your uncle Murry at the Bronx zoo.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:09 pm |
    • Christinem10

      These are studies that only show possible trends, nothing has been proven beyond a doubt, but I agree with you they are fascinating nonetheless. People in general are ignorant to the fact that much of behavior appears to be genetically determined, while some is clearly environmental. Another study showed that men who have older brothers have a higher chance of being gay than the first born. It is postulated that this may occur if the fetus's male hormones cross the placenta and mom mounts an immune response to them. Not sure I believe that either, but it is interesting.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
    • NotsoEasy

      So, then it must be ok then because we can't "help" it. Whooppeee!! We get to act however we want because "I can't help it" I can't wait until they find a "lazy" gene, then I should be able to collect a disability check. Who's with me!!! It's not my fault!!!

      July 18, 2011 at 4:23 pm |
    • Amunaka

      The point is ...WhereRtheRealPeople there are those out here saying their is no gay gene but they seem to come up with a genetic theory for everything else ...and leave my uncle Murry out of this ...

      July 18, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
  15. Satan

    BAchmann and her husband are wacko. Stupid people used to have modesty and try to hide that they were dumb. Now its a thing to be proud of and run for office.

    July 18, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
  16. One Radical

    http://oneradical.wordpress.com/2011/07/18/pray-the-gay-away/

    This is better...

    July 18, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
  17. tylerthecreator

    what kind of drugs is this guy on?

    July 18, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
    • Kyle

      Jesus Juice.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
  18. waylaid88

    Jesus Christ didn't condemn ho-mo$exuality so why should any other Christian? While there are no quotes from Jesus condemning ho-mo$exuality, he does rail against the rich. So why do the rich get a pass and the LGBT crowd receive the ire of some Christians? That’s a good question if I do say so myself.

    July 18, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
    • Geoz

      Xtians seem to work harder on things that they don't see in themselves. St. Paul said that it is unnatural for men to grow long hair, but I haven't seen the web page/Xtian group/ sermon devoted to getting legislation passed against this unnatural thing. Gluttony? Why aren't they going after the fat people. Nope.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
  19. Satan

    I hope all the gay conversion Christians head blow up for an unknown reason

    July 18, 2011 at 4:00 pm |
  20. mm

    anyone can call themselves a Christian but that does not make them a Christian. A Christian is one who recognize their sinful state and a low the Holy Spirit to make the transformation. A sinful man cannot help another sinful man to make a transformation without the power of the Holy Spirit. And it doesn't matter what the sin is that you are living with. As a Christian, the Bible is your guide that must show you what your sins are. But if you don't read your Bible (like so many Christians) then you will never know what the Bible defines as sinful.

    July 18, 2011 at 4:00 pm |
    • Geoz

      Every Xtian has another definition of who is or isn't in the club. And even those who read the bible (I did) see different things from one another. You pretend it is one thing. It isn't. There is no absolute.
      Further, it is written by men (and a couple women perhaps) and is limited by the abilities of men.

      There is wisdom in the bible, but not truths that apply to all of humanity for all of time. It is just a ridiculous notion to think so.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • sbp

      Who died and made you judge as to what a Christian is? Oh, right, Jesus. I forgot, he put in his last will and testament: "mm shall heretofore be the sole arbiter of what is Christian. I also leave my stereo to Steve – he's reall cool."

      July 18, 2011 at 4:09 pm |
    • Really?

      A christian is someone who tries not to intentionally harm others and believes in religious tolerance. The Bible must be read with intellectual care and consciousness.

      July 18, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
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